I started cycling this year at 49 - rode when young just as a means of getting around. Anyway, I've gone from an average pace of 13 km per hour to average of 20 km per hour in about 10 weeks. I expect to end this season (in another 8 weeks) at about 21 to 22 km per hour. To average 40 to 45 km per hour just seems like invoking Odin or Thor. Nonetheless I will be more fit for having done my thing and still admire the pros.
How 13km/h average speed? I simply don’t get it. Even when you just rest the pedals and put in the least amount of effort your average on a roadbike will be around 15-20km/h
@@Diego.fromheaven That sounds about right for the end of my season, when on the flats. Hard for me to break 30km without being on a descent. I finished the season with an average speed of about 23 km per hour. Did I mention being 49 and recovering from a broken back?
Heather Spoonheim Yes, you mentioned but i you will probably breaking a lot on the flats and in the descents then because 13km/h average is really unlikely. Try to be more confident with the bike. Only thing to do is just doing cycling very often! Hope you recover fast though!
@@Diego.fromheaven Oh, I break a LOT on significant descents. I'm happy to do about 35 km on a mild descent, but reduce to below 30 km for bigger descents. Don't forget that I started last season having to walk my bike up any significant ascents.
I was training in Majorca in March 1992 alone, I was passed on the road by the Spanish once team, I thought I’d jump on the back when they passed, I lasted around 7 mins and had to give up when my eyelashes started hurting 😳
In the early 90's I used train with a couple of very good mates who rode for both the Canada National road team and were pro mountain bike riders racing all the World Cups and such. The trick was to ride their LSD days, when the average pace was only around 36-38kmh for 3-5 hours.. Sure got you fit fast! I always recall going up the local Mt Baker ride (160km ) with them and a bunch of hopeful others, and the difference was glaringly obvious even before the big climb, up the smaller rises, they kept chatting away, in the big ring, whilst us minions went into the red to stay in touch.. On the long final climb, they just kept chatting away, and rode off in like a 53x17 maybe, as we all just wilted away and grovelled in our 39's.. at the end, they still looked fresh as daisies..
Great video and good insight. It's good to remind myself that at 47yrs old I should be content with my performance (ftp 291 at 80kgs) and not try and compare to a much young rider who focuses all their attention on cycling. Sometime I lose perspective and this is not helpful to the enjoyment of why I cycle.
Franky Milad gym bikes are terrible most of the times. While i can easily get 1800 watts on my bike, i couldnt get over a 1000 on a hiit bike in my gym
Normally a swimmer (many miles a week) but had to switch to Cycling to keep fit during this Pandemic. Really appreciate now how these pro cyclist make it look so easy.
@Greg Jonas Wow someone got angry :D You're not. Get out kiddo. I have several karate black belts and an abundance of doped up primary school teachers at my disposal. If I ever have to send them into battle many tears will be cried by any doubters. tl,dr: Calm down Reggae-Rambo.
They should have done more of a comparison with normal joe down the road to elite amateur to domestic pro to world tour. A elite amateur could still race with them more than a normal joe.
It is not only the wattages that they can produce, but even more about their ability to recover fast. Just remember that a high proportion of their mileage are races, all at incredibly high pace, sometimes one every week. The record holders in this category do some 90 days of races in a year.
The Pro's are at the peak of what they do because A) their bodies are naturally gifted and B) they practice damn hard. Put a bike pro in a Fortune 500 company and they'll be floundering just the same as Average Joe flounders on a bike
When I was in high school I thought I was pretty good at basketball and would play a lot of pickup at a local park. College students would sometimes play too and one day a guy who had tried out for but failed to get on the D1 team played with us and was way better than any of us. This guy was way better than me but wasn’t good enough for the college team and probably none of the college team players would go on to be pros. That just shows how far the gap is between gifted amateurs and professional athletes which is probably true for any sport.
Its way harder to go pro in basketball as opposed to cycling, and most people still wont go pro in cycling. Going pro in basketball is an even smaller chance.
You call 290 watts ftp an average joe.Thats a cat 3 rider in most races in the US probably.The video shows how much the better the pros are compared to a 72kg rider with a ftp of close to 300 watts,which is not bad at all.
@@ahlikemuself so is buying a carbon bike not worth it? Because I ride a steel bike(single speed) and the highest I can get in an all out sprint is 35kmph.
@@dnavaneet carbon is lighter and sometimes more aero. It generally offers a stiff ride so you don't loose power in "flex." If you're overweight at all, it negates the main advantage of carbon on a bicycle.
Mr Bob The difference between average world tour and pro continental riders for example is very small. The level of competition is just ridiculously high in cycling.
Dont talk shit you know nothing about. These Eisberg guys train just as hard as other Pro teams. I believe this team is oneday going to make it to the top
I don't think the difference should be measured based on form...but rather on mental strength. This "kids" can be up to par with world tour riders. What they lack is the ability to keep their heads as cool as the top guys and perform under the pressure of one of the the 3 big tours. That's what makes the difference. Just give them time and with the proper mentoring, they get up there quick. very quick
@@aguadoia Sorry but what a load of bs. Mental strength is the most overrated load of bollocks there is in endurance sport. If you don't have the power, bike handling and the tactical mindset, you aren't winning period. These guys aren't World Tour riders because they arent powerful enough or tactical astute yet and some may never be. As for there been little difference between a Continental and World Tour rider as the other guy mentioned, that is a crock of bs as well. The numbers might seem small in terms of power but when you are approaching the highest level of known human performance, those gaps are huge and near insurmountable for all but a very few riders. Never mind competing in a Grand Tour
@@joshc1821 Bull! The difference is quite big. And your argument as reards training: so if I train for 24/7, I will be World Champion? I guess you never touched a bike...
I had this experience many years ago on the road during a 17% climb where a gentleman that was in his 60's and I then in my 30's (now mid 50's) and he came up behind our group and asked if he could join. We said yes.......me thinking I would show this old dude the way to climb and he blistered me like a red-headed school kid!!!! Found out at the top, he was a retired pro cyclists! I ate crow that day while my lungs felt like they were on fire!
UK have different average Joe than US. Around here, anything more than 200w mostly comes with battery or petrol motor. Most of guys would be 177cm & weight 100kg+.
You don't need to do this. Find a climb somewhere that pros ride and see your time on Strava vs theirs. For example on Sa Calobra (Mallorca) I am 25,000 from about 70,000 riders. I have done the climb in 45 minutes but after a huge effort on another Cat 1 climb that day. My power on the Sa Calobra climb was 250w. Given that my FTP is 300w and I've lost 5kg since that time I could reasonably expect to climb Sa Calobra in 40 minutes today if fresh. The KOM is 25 minutes and the average pro if not a dedicated climber might climb it in say 27-29 minutes. That makes me at best 10 minutes slower. It's easy to see the difference, I'm about 20% slower than a pro. That makes sense because my power to weight is 4w/kg and theirs will be at least 5w/kg.
Us Joe's will never learn! We must like the humiliation. But I think it makes us bigger fans of the Pro's, because we know how hard it actually is to a Pro athlete.
I know answer.....my son just retired in December from racing in the pro peloton. His easy days are my hard days in the saddle. My top FTPs were all while training with him.
On my current bicycle 16mph is my average speed, have hit 34. According to this cycling calculator it requires 90 rpm to hit a speed of 34, with my gearing, and tire size.
I think the problem is Zwift was saying Rory weighed 60-61 kilograms. Which I would assume as leaning as he is that guy is not 60-61 kilos. So the watts per kilo ratio is way off
Just started cycling regular during lock down at 51 ! Managed 33 kmh average over 18 miles with only 150 metre height rise ! No idea about watts and FTP
@@anata5127 * haha long way off , I got a few KOMS over short distances , but a Kom of 5 mins I could be 15 % slower ! Need to join a cycling club , maybe next year !
Interesting comparison between the pros and average Joe. But what about the average speed at tour de France compared to the top speed(while claimed average) of an ostrich in the beginning of the video?
Carrying 40 pounds of extra weight, ride 100 miles every other day for a month. Then go up to 150 miles every other day for another month still carrying the extra weight. Then, drop the weight, and drop the mileage, down to 80 miles for another month, focusing on speed now, and you'll be in pretty good shape. Be sure to mix flat rides, and lots of climbing. Get 9 hours in bed every night. You'll have no time for anything else except to ride, and recover. But never forget that you can do all the work in the world and still never be great. Greatness is dependent on genetics, for both body and mind.
Could someone explain how a person with lower watts/kg can out-sprint someone with higher watts/kg on flats? I would think being heavier negates the extra wattage? The only thing I can think of is that weight does not scale with power. But if both weight and watts are 10% higher than the other person your watts/kg is no different. If your watt percentage gained outmatch your weight percentage gained you have a higher watt/kg and should win. If you have a higher wattage but don't gain proportionate weight and are heavier your watt/kg will be lower and theoretically you would lose? So scientifically, how does someone win with higher wattage if their watts/kg is lower? Is it just how aero and frictionless bikes are that negates almost all significance of weight on flat ground?
Exactly, W/KG isn't that relevant on the flat. Climbers and GT riders need to have the highest w/kg possible, but for sprinters and classics riders (who don't have a w/kg to shout about) it becomes far less relevant.
on the flat, what matters is your coefficient of drag and your power. as the coefficient of drag between riders generally does not vary that much, most of the time the dude with the higher power wins. only if you have a very small person that is able to come close in terms of power to a taller/bigger person, he might have a chance, because he is more aero. but wheight per se is basically meaningless.
This is why cat 1 domestic crit racers put out devastating amounts of power on the circuits and would rival or beat many pro tour riders if they rode the same course, but most are bulky in comparison and wouldn't have any chance in the mountains against the same.
40-45 km/h with hills included and all that. The the hills off, give them a flat and a TT bike, prior to a couple of weeks of resting and recovery and you'll see a totally different result =))
untraceable EPO ? Ummm. So no clean Top Riders !! Great Sport not but other sports on some thing too. International Show Jumping Riders are tested for illegal drugs but not sports drugs as you need Far more than drugs to ride a top International horse weighing 500 kg over a total of 16 fences at height 1.60 m oxers and verticals. It not easy!
I didn't need to watch this video to know the results. I cycle group rides with riders from cat 1/2. They're insane. They drop slower riders before the loop even starts and holding on is like hell. What's worse is that at the end, they upload their ride to Strava saying "Easy 140km"...
290W as average Joe? Might as well average Joe of bike racing, not average joe as public commuter.. and these pros looks really calm without excessive movement..
How fast are the pro”s on a 15 kg $250 road bike? Even on a 6.8 kg bike you are not going over 40 km hr in Southern Ontario with the winds and air pressure here 25-40 km head winds with 15-30 km side gusts, never mind that a carbon bike would not last 5 hours racing on the winter beaten roads.
It isn't about speed though, at least when it comes to what they do. It's mostly about keeping a certain speed and being able to manage your energy so you have plenty to spare to finish a race.
To have a fair comparison, you all must have had the same diet, sleep, vitamin levels for the past few days, & of course the most important thing, to have the exact same bicycle parts. In your case: trainer, BB, chain, pedals, shoes, chainset & rear derailleur pulleys. Otherwise you’re demotivating everybody else cause you’re not being that precise. I’m sure we’ll all love to see all that precision in the future.
Doing 29km per hour is really slow .... on a flat my average is 37km per hour and I keep it steady... try using creatine+ Bcaa + gels, non stimulant nitric oxide and electrolytes and keep your cycling hard and consistent .
Good video. I would have liked it better if you set the stage with perhaps what a typical week / month is for the pros compared to you in terms of volume. Also maybe HR / power overlaid on the screen. Good video though!
yup that's why i ride alone so i can enjoy my pace and not feel like im chasing the whole time lol. I love struggling climbs even at 5mph i can sit and climb but if it comes to a race im not going to try lol I know my fitness level and id rather not be the teammate who they have to wait on :)
Huh there's indoor simulator program (or technically game whatever) for this? What's the name of these setup? Man this is better than those car simulator even though I was the car guy in health wise. Hope my near future job also made me possible to afford this
@@Eric-fu7yf ah thanks! i completely forgot I’ve ever ask this. interesting, my question is you’ll need to hook a pc right? Year after i posted this got myself a stationary bike it’s less interesting but still does the job eh?. Thank you again!
290 watts. The average everyday cyclist? good video bit of fun i guess but get somone with 120 - 170 next time, you know, the real average of a casual cyclist.
Yes, an average cyclist who is out on his bike regularly, has done it over a period of time and regularly pushes himself a bit (and loves doing it) will have 0 problem getting this kind of ftp. I consider myself to be an average of such a cyclist. I am 36 yo now, pretty much went to gym to do weights and cycled for the past 10 years, but nothing crazily strict. I started being a bit more serious about it a year ago, installed a power meter on my bike and have been cycling approx. 200-250 miles a week pushing myself reasonably hard, eating well, stretching, doing all the good shit and managed to get an ftp of 360W. And this is not my lat word. I don't think getting to 400W ftp is that much of a big deal for anybody with some dedication. Another thing is, what would really be the point of comparing a dude who cycles, say, 5 miles a day to workplace at a leisurely tempo, say 15 mph, to a pro athlete? You clearly have never used a power meter either. 120W is barely moving. 200W is what most reasonably fit cyclist will do with no problem at all.
@@sacul19700 80kg with some 15% bf, but plans are to drop to 75kg to make hilly rides easier. Slowly over the course of the next 6 months as I like doing weights 1-2 times a week. It doesn't matter what my ftp is or will ever end up being. I will now be focused on improving my watt to kilo and VO2 max.
I started cycling this year at 49 - rode when young just as a means of getting around. Anyway, I've gone from an average pace of 13 km per hour to average of 20 km per hour in about 10 weeks. I expect to end this season (in another 8 weeks) at about 21 to 22 km per hour. To average 40 to 45 km per hour just seems like invoking Odin or Thor. Nonetheless I will be more fit for having done my thing and still admire the pros.
Heather Spoonheim that speeds really good for someone who’s not so young!👍🏾
How 13km/h average speed? I simply don’t get it. Even when you just rest the pedals and put in the least amount of effort your average on a roadbike will be around 15-20km/h
@@Diego.fromheaven That sounds about right for the end of my season, when on the flats. Hard for me to break 30km without being on a descent. I finished the season with an average speed of about 23 km per hour. Did I mention being 49 and recovering from a broken back?
Heather Spoonheim Yes, you mentioned but i you will probably breaking a lot on the flats and in the descents then because 13km/h average is really unlikely. Try to be more confident with the bike. Only thing to do is just doing cycling very often! Hope you recover fast though!
@@Diego.fromheaven Oh, I break a LOT on significant descents. I'm happy to do about 35 km on a mild descent, but reduce to below 30 km for bigger descents. Don't forget that I started last season having to walk my bike up any significant ascents.
Very dangerous riding without a helmet
xD
Very dangerous showering without a helmet
HAHAHAHAHA
😂😂😂 haha right lol
bishplis true but wtf
I was training in Majorca in March 1992 alone, I was passed on the road by the Spanish once team, I thought I’d jump on the back when they passed, I lasted around 7 mins and had to give up when my eyelashes started hurting 😳
Yes, I have wondered. I then signed up for strava, immediately did a climb, got smashed by an ex pro (actually retire Phil!), deleted strava.
Lmao deleted strava.... Just pick a less popular climb
Deleted Strava? ROFL...
LMAO I came so close to doing the same when a 16 year old smashed my time by more than 5 minutes (I'm 21)
Deleted strava in less than 24 hours
I have a computer and that’s it
Only I need to know how I’m doing
And sometimes it’s not even my own business
LMAO!!! Deleted strava. Lol
They do this for a living every day for 5+ hours . It is normal to get dropped and not being able to keep up.
True but what's interesting is just how much stronger they are. The level is insane!
Just out of interest, what level does Ollie cycle at? Like does he race or anything?
How would these pro’s compare to the likes of Sagan, Porte and Quintana .?
If Ollie did the same, they'd still be a huge gap. Its called genetics.
No, he doesn't race. His FTP is 290, weighs 72kg.
In the early 90's I used train with a couple of very good mates who rode for both the Canada National road team and were pro mountain bike riders racing all the World Cups and such. The trick was to ride their LSD days, when the average pace was only around 36-38kmh for 3-5 hours.. Sure got you fit fast! I always recall going up the local Mt Baker ride (160km ) with them and a bunch of hopeful others, and the difference was glaringly obvious even before the big climb, up the smaller rises, they kept chatting away, in the big ring, whilst us minions went into the red to stay in touch.. On the long final climb, they just kept chatting away, and rode off in like a 53x17 maybe, as we all just wilted away and grovelled in our 39's.. at the end, they still looked fresh as daisies..
Amazing to see how disciplined the pros are - just sittin & spinnin big power while Ollie is all over the bike, and he’s in great shape. Great video.
Great video and good insight. It's good to remind myself that at 47yrs old I should be content with my performance (ftp 291 at 80kgs) and not try and compare to a much young rider who focuses all their attention on cycling. Sometime I lose perspective and this is not helpful to the enjoyment of why I cycle.
im 55, been cycling all my life and over an hour I can maintain 24kph, when I was at my peak I could average 30kph!! my peak was age 27.
The compression shirt and shorts really helps with the aerodynamics of this test.
FACTS
You sound like a Fred
I decided to get onto a bike at my gym (I never ride bicycles) and I did about 150w for 3 min and I almost died.
I take my hat off to all of you guys
hhahahahahaha
Franky Milad gym bikes are terrible most of the times. While i can easily get 1800 watts on my bike, i couldnt get over a 1000 on a hiit bike in my gym
at least someone commenting by telling the truth here. respect that.
Gym bikes aren't comfortable, I can hold about 350 watts for 5-mins on my bike but I can't even hold 250 for 5 mins on a gym bike...
easily get 1800
Normally a swimmer (many miles a week) but had to switch to Cycling to keep fit during this Pandemic. Really appreciate now how these pro cyclist make it look so easy.
Average Joe has a 9-5 real day job while pro is on bike for that time
Pro is lucky to have a job after pro peloton spitts him out in couple of years
Greg Jonas dude, you’re 53, you say bruv, you use emojis and you brag about yourself on the RUclips comment section. What the fuck, grow up.
@Greg Jonas Wow someone got angry :D
You're not.
Get out kiddo. I have several karate black belts and an abundance of doped up primary school teachers at my disposal. If I ever have to send them into battle many tears will be cried by any doubters.
tl,dr:
Calm down Reggae-Rambo.
@Greg Jonas you're the cringiest 50 yr old I've ever seen on the interent
That isn't why they're faster. They're on the pro team because they're faster. Then they get even faster because they're on the team.
They should have done more of a comparison with normal joe down the road to elite amateur to domestic pro to world tour. A elite amateur could still race with them more than a normal joe.
if 4.0w/kg is elite amateur then I should be one
How calm they ride no unnecassary waste of energy.
What's "waist"?
@@mattfoley6082 typing error.
@@paxundpeace9970 Spelling error.
@@mattfoley6082 bruh
lol at 290w FTP being "average joe"
Maybe Average Joe bike racer. Rather than just average Joe public.
Would be higher if he didn't swing his back around all over the place
David Holland, good point, that makes sense
Thank you.....
One of the big training platforms released their data and the bell curve for armatures was squarely centered at 3.0 w/kg
It is not only the wattages that they can produce, but even more about their ability to recover fast. Just remember that a high proportion of their mileage are races, all at incredibly high pace, sometimes one every week. The record holders in this category do some 90 days of races in a year.
I like how they're just looking at you like bro this is the warm up on the flats.
The Pro's are at the peak of what they do because A) their bodies are naturally gifted and B) they practice damn hard. Put a bike pro in a Fortune 500 company and they'll be floundering just the same as Average Joe flounders on a bike
And C) they dope
I was hoping to see their heart rates.
i was hoping for more in depth results.
I didn't help that you were trying to commentate your effort. You still would have gotten dropped but you were talking a whole lot, good effort tho?
Jason Stroman haha. True did make it a bit harder. 😂
got dropped
After getting thrashed by them on the bike I'm afraid my ego would force me to take them to the basketball court and return the favor.
When I was in high school I thought I was pretty good at basketball and would play a lot of pickup at a local park. College students would sometimes play too and one day a guy who had tried out for but failed to get on the D1 team played with us and was way better than any of us. This guy was way better than me but wasn’t good enough for the college team and probably none of the college team players would go on to be pros. That just shows how far the gap is between gifted amateurs and professional athletes which is probably true for any sport.
Yep, many of us (me included) need perspective of how great most of these athletes are
Its way harder to go pro in basketball as opposed to cycling, and most people still wont go pro in cycling. Going pro in basketball is an even smaller chance.
You call 290 watts ftp an average joe.Thats a cat 3 rider in most races in the US probably.The video shows how much the better the pros are compared to a 72kg rider with a ftp of close to 300 watts,which is not bad at all.
You can't beat those guys with steel bikes, you need light carbon aero bike XD
lol
And EPO
I probably would agreed with you ...that is until I got a carbon bike. Its the man not the machine. The trick is to acquire more leg watts
@@ahlikemuself so is buying a carbon bike not worth it? Because I ride a steel bike(single speed) and the highest I can get in an all out sprint is 35kmph.
@@dnavaneet carbon is lighter and sometimes more aero. It generally offers a stiff ride so you don't loose power in "flex." If you're overweight at all, it negates the main advantage of carbon on a bicycle.
And I’m assuming a Tour de France rider would leave all these guys in the dust
Mr Bob The difference between average world tour and pro continental riders for example is very small. The level of competition is just ridiculously high in cycling.
Dont talk shit you know nothing about. These Eisberg guys train just as hard as other Pro teams. I believe this team is oneday going to make it to the top
I don't think the difference should be measured based on form...but rather on mental strength. This "kids" can be up to par with world tour riders. What they lack is the ability to keep their heads as cool as the top guys and perform under the pressure of one of the the 3 big tours. That's what makes the difference. Just give them time and with the proper mentoring, they get up there quick. very quick
@@aguadoia Sorry but what a load of bs. Mental strength is the most overrated load of bollocks there is in endurance sport. If you don't have the power, bike handling and the tactical mindset, you aren't winning period. These guys aren't World Tour riders because they arent powerful enough or tactical astute yet and some may never be.
As for there been little difference between a Continental and World Tour rider as the other guy mentioned, that is a crock of bs as well. The numbers might seem small in terms of power but when you are approaching the highest level of known human performance, those gaps are huge and near insurmountable for all but a very few riders. Never mind competing in a Grand Tour
@@joshc1821 Bull! The difference is quite big. And your argument as reards training: so if I train for 24/7, I will be World Champion?
I guess you never touched a bike...
At 45 minutes minutes, Ollie is dying and pros aren’t breathing heavy😂
I had this experience many years ago on the road during a 17% climb where a gentleman that was in his 60's and I then in my 30's (now mid 50's) and he came up behind our group and asked if he could join. We said yes.......me thinking I would show this old dude the way to climb and he blistered me like a red-headed school kid!!!! Found out at the top, he was a retired pro cyclists! I ate crow that day while my lungs felt like they were on fire!
The guy’s face exactly looks like asking ‘is it that hard?!’ 😂2:21
hes bouncing around where they seem very smooth.
Because he's at his absolute limit and they're not.
UK have different average Joe than US. Around here, anything more than 200w mostly comes with battery or petrol motor. Most of guys would be 177cm & weight 100kg+.
You don't need to do this. Find a climb somewhere that pros ride and see your time on Strava vs theirs. For example on Sa Calobra (Mallorca) I am 25,000 from about 70,000 riders. I have done the climb in 45 minutes but after a huge effort on another Cat 1 climb that day. My power on the Sa Calobra climb was 250w.
Given that my FTP is 300w and I've lost 5kg since that time I could reasonably expect to climb Sa Calobra in 40 minutes today if fresh. The KOM is 25 minutes and the average pro if not a dedicated climber might climb it in say 27-29 minutes. That makes me at best 10 minutes slower. It's easy to see the difference, I'm about 20% slower than a pro. That makes sense because my power to weight is 4w/kg and theirs will be at least 5w/kg.
I am old and slow. I did pedal 100 miles at 18 MPH about 10 yrs ago when I was in my late 40s. Now it is much less.
I wouldn't consider him an "average Joe" and it was still that big of a gap?! Impressive to watch
Watched the US Pro champs a couple times in the 90's when they were in Seattle. Horner won the 2nd year. They are special, for sure.
Us Joe's will never learn! We must like the humiliation. But I think it makes us bigger fans of the Pro's, because we know how hard it actually is to a Pro athlete.
This was very entertaining.
I love it how absolutely still the upper body of the pro's is compared to the average joe.
Cuz he's always fatigued. And has no sense of aerodynamics, hence an average Joe. xD
When will tdf riders enter the TransAm 4,420 mile across USA self-supported race?
Difference between Pros VS Joe - Pros = this IS their life (multiple hours in the gym) VS Joe = recreation (mostly an hour or a bit more in the gym)
That Stinner frame though 😍😍
I know answer.....my son just retired in December from racing in the pro peloton. His easy days are my hard days in the saddle. My top FTPs were all while training with him.
Chris Freter was he riding for jelly belly? I remember chatting with a pro kid at vail pass once named Freter. It’s a tough sport...
On my current bicycle 16mph is my average speed, have hit 34. According to this cycling calculator it requires 90 rpm to hit a speed of 34, with my gearing, and tire size.
Realistic numbers.
Thanks for sharing.
well I didn't expect them to race in a video game
I think the problem is Zwift was saying Rory weighed 60-61 kilograms. Which I would assume as leaning as he is that guy is not 60-61 kilos. So the watts per kilo ratio is way off
4:32 is it normal that he took off his shirt?
Just started cycling regular during lock down at 51 !
Managed 33 kmh average over 18 miles with only 150 metre height rise ! No idea about watts and FTP
This is very good! >4.5kg. You are ready to race, or check your speedometer.
@@anata5127 # easy with a tail wind , my time without checking Strava was something like 26 mins !
The Kom is just under 19 mins at 41 kmh approx !
Lee Suuton You are Definitely ready for racing. Start with amateur race event and see how it works.
@@anata5127 * haha long way off , I got a few KOMS over short distances , but a Kom of 5 mins I could be 15 % slower ! Need to join a cycling club , maybe next year !
@@anata5127 * check out a relative from my partner's side ! Rait Ratesepp ! 40 ultratriathlons in 40 days world record !
Do you add resistance on your trainer
0:11 These animals cannot maintain their speeds for more than a few minuts.
Also they aren't on a bike.
Mahmood Alsairafi would a horse’s bike have 2 sets of peddles?
@@harkharring2572 Probably, steering would be with the neck somehow. Horse on a bike would be a sight to see eh.
@@MahmoodiAlsairafi imagine riding a horse on a bike. You'd go like twice as fast.
@@harkharring2572 That's a bit far fetched though, unlike the horse on a dual pedal bike.
Thank you
am i doing alright if it takes me 4 hours to do 30 miles?
Not having ever used Swift myself.
Is it possible to draft or do you have to produce the same power to hold that wheel?
Peter Liljebladh drafting is like RL
Did you finish? How many minutes after the winner were you? Or did you just DNF after 4 minutes.
Interesting comparison between the pros and average Joe.
But what about the average speed at tour de France compared to the top speed(while claimed average) of an ostrich in the beginning of the video?
Carrying 40 pounds of extra weight, ride 100 miles every other day for a month. Then go up to 150 miles every other day for another month still carrying the extra weight. Then, drop the weight, and drop the mileage, down to 80 miles for another month, focusing on speed now, and you'll be in pretty good shape. Be sure to mix flat rides, and lots of climbing. Get 9 hours in bed every night. You'll have no time for anything else except to ride, and recover.
But never forget that you can do all the work in the world and still never be great. Greatness is dependent on genetics, for both body and mind.
Too long. After first sentence, biker could be goner.
Now let's try it again after giving "average joe" a blood transfusion, some EPO, human growth hormone, and testosterone... :-)
Poly Hexamethyl there is a documentary where they did that.
@@jbratt Icarus! :-)
Poly Hexamethyl yes 👍
any chance any one know the keyboard/mouse/bottle table that they were using by the trainer?
Ftp of 290 but it looks like a struggle, how?
Could someone explain how a person with lower watts/kg can out-sprint someone with higher watts/kg on flats? I would think being heavier negates the extra wattage? The only thing I can think of is that weight does not scale with power.
But if both weight and watts are 10% higher than the other person your watts/kg is no different. If your watt percentage gained outmatch your weight percentage gained you have a higher watt/kg and should win. If you have a higher wattage but don't gain proportionate weight and are heavier your watt/kg will be lower and theoretically you would lose? So scientifically, how does someone win with higher wattage if their watts/kg is lower? Is it just how aero and frictionless bikes are that negates almost all significance of weight on flat ground?
Exactly, W/KG isn't that relevant on the flat. Climbers and GT riders need to have the highest w/kg possible, but for sprinters and classics riders (who don't have a w/kg to shout about) it becomes far less relevant.
A Few months old now but....what matters on the flat is w/Cd where Cd is your coefficient of drag.
on the flat, what matters is your coefficient of drag and your power. as the coefficient of drag between riders generally does not vary that much, most of the time the dude with the higher power wins.
only if you have a very small person that is able to come close in terms of power to a taller/bigger person, he might have a chance, because he is more aero. but wheight per se is basically meaningless.
This is why cat 1 domestic crit racers put out devastating amounts of power on the circuits and would rival or beat many pro tour riders if they rode the same course, but most are bulky in comparison and wouldn't have any chance in the mountains against the same.
40-45 km/h with hills included and all that. The the hills off, give them a flat and a TT bike, prior to a couple of weeks of resting and recovery and you'll see a totally different result =))
ollie you would be surprised how your fitness would increase if you worked with team doctor and jump on the latest untraceable EPO
untraceable EPO ? Ummm. So no clean Top Riders !! Great Sport not but other sports on some thing too.
International Show Jumping Riders are tested for illegal drugs but not sports drugs as you need Far more than drugs to ride a top International horse weighing 500 kg over a total of 16 fences at height 1.60 m oxers and verticals. It not easy!
caffeine?
I could hold 350watt for an hour with only 58kg body weight during my junior times..... didn't make it to pro
try again later
and never give up u need strong mental strength
You need >6w/kg
I didn't need to watch this video to know the results. I cycle group rides with riders from cat 1/2. They're insane. They drop slower riders before the loop even starts and holding on is like hell. What's worse is that at the end, they upload their ride to Strava saying "Easy 140km"...
290W as average Joe? Might as well average Joe of bike racing, not average joe as public commuter.. and these pros looks really calm without excessive movement..
I like competing for KOM's on Strava with other amateur riders. Racing looks like straight pain the entire time.
Good effort, mate!
My God Man! you had a draft boost and didn't use it!
How fast are the pro”s on a 15 kg $250 road bike?
Even on a 6.8 kg bike you are not going over 40 km hr in Southern Ontario with the winds and air pressure here
25-40 km head winds with 15-30 km side gusts, never mind that a carbon bike would not last 5 hours racing on the winter beaten roads.
I'm curious about gear ratios and what they were using. I'm sure they were grinding at lower rpm and getting more power as a result...
gearing makes no difference with power. it only affects cadence. more torque with less rotations is the same as less torque with more rotations.
What's with the figure 8 your right knee is doing?
It isn't about speed though, at least when it comes to what they do. It's mostly about keeping a certain speed and being able to manage your energy so you have plenty to spare to finish a race.
To have a fair comparison, you all must have had the same diet, sleep, vitamin levels for the past few days, & of course the most important thing, to have the exact same bicycle parts. In your case: trainer, BB, chain, pedals, shoes, chainset & rear derailleur pulleys. Otherwise you’re demotivating everybody else cause you’re not being that precise. I’m sure we’ll all love to see all that precision in the future.
What's the outro music? Can anyone tell?
What is the norm for a domestic pro in terms w/kg? I don't race often but would like to see 5 w/kg soon
Phil 5w/kg isn’t hard to hit but for how long are you wanting to sustain it? 20 seconds? 1 min? 5 min?? More???
@@dansolo9573 I want that as an ftp. Right now I am 312 at 149lb and I plan to get to 330-340 in the next year
@@Phil-dx8rw How have you done? :)
Does that machinery duplicate the draft effect?
I can tell your in world of pain by your bobbing up and down and there still on the bike but well-done
Doing 29km per hour is really slow .... on a flat my average is 37km per hour and I keep it steady... try using creatine+ Bcaa + gels, non stimulant nitric oxide and electrolytes and keep your cycling hard and consistent .
I rode in this race (D.Solo see 4.13) these guys are animals. I faded fast in last 5 mins.
I mean... you didn't have a blood transfusion midway so how could you keep up?
But canyon says not to use their bikes on the trainer?
What brand/model of trainers are being used?
Looks like Wahoo Kickers
shawn oen Wahoo Kickr with Climb on the front and also the Headwind - a smart fan!
Good video. I would have liked it better if you set the stage with perhaps what a typical week / month is for the pros compared to you in terms of volume. Also maybe HR / power overlaid on the screen. Good video though!
Good idea
How can I join their team
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I wouldn't call you an average joe but yeah they're fast
yup that's why i ride alone so i can enjoy my pace and not feel like im chasing the whole time lol. I love struggling climbs even at 5mph i can sit and climb but if it comes to a race im not going to try lol I know my fitness level and id rather not be the teammate who they have to wait on :)
whats the name of the song? the first one
Huh there's indoor simulator program (or technically game whatever) for this? What's the name of these setup? Man this is better than those car simulator even though I was the car guy in health wise. Hope my near future job also made me possible to afford this
2 years late but it’s called zswift, I have one and it’s really good
@@Eric-fu7yf ah thanks! i completely forgot I’ve ever ask this. interesting, my question is you’ll need to hook a pc right?
Year after i posted this got myself a stationary bike it’s less interesting but still does the job eh?. Thank you again!
That’s soul crushing to watch😭
290 watts. The average everyday cyclist? good video bit of fun i guess but get somone with 120 - 170 next time, you know, the real average of a casual cyclist.
Yes, an average cyclist who is out on his bike regularly, has done it over a period of time and regularly pushes himself a bit (and loves doing it) will have 0 problem getting this kind of ftp. I consider myself to be an average of such a cyclist. I am 36 yo now, pretty much went to gym to do weights and cycled for the past 10 years, but nothing crazily strict. I started being a bit more serious about it a year ago, installed a power meter on my bike and have been cycling approx. 200-250 miles a week pushing myself reasonably hard, eating well, stretching, doing all the good shit and managed to get an ftp of 360W. And this is not my lat word. I don't think getting to 400W ftp is that much of a big deal for anybody with some dedication.
Another thing is, what would really be the point of comparing a dude who cycles, say, 5 miles a day to workplace at a leisurely tempo, say 15 mph, to a pro athlete? You clearly have never used a power meter either. 120W is barely moving. 200W is what most reasonably fit cyclist will do with no problem at all.
try my mum
@@82vitt and how much do you weight ? You will never reach 400w ftp
@@sacul19700 80kg with some 15% bf, but plans are to drop to 75kg to make hilly rides easier. Slowly over the course of the next 6 months as I like doing weights 1-2 times a week. It doesn't matter what my ftp is or will ever end up being. I will now be focused on improving my watt to kilo and VO2 max.
@@82vitt that 5+ w/kg that Not normal For an AVG. Most habe Like 3.
what was that program for cyclist on tv?
Zwift.
In the Philippines habit riders can maintain 30 in a mountain bike.
Does anybody know if Greg lemond doped? He seems to have kept his reputation...
I can cycle 10miles in 28min.
Is that good?
Not reaĺly
NICE VIDEO!
Sorry how do you convert kph to mph
Decide on 1.6
"The likes of Peter Sagan" Hmm not sure mate
290 FTP is anything but average-surely in the top 1% of the general population-but still well short of a pro tour cyclist.
These men can cycle around the world in the time it take me to get on my bicycle 🥴