I think it is worth mentioning that I read Mark Cavendish‘s biography and he said he always did really terribly on these power tests, like so badly he refused to do them any more, as it was too embarrassing. He suggested the reason that he is an amazing rider is to do with his body shape/aerodynamics, bike skills and timing. It’s not solely about our outputs for certain kinds of riders.
I call BS since he participated WC/Olympics track event that demand aggressive bunch fight at 50 km/h. You can't be Madison WC with an amateur pw output. You can't compete in Omnium with an amateur pw output. You can't survive the Poggio at race pace with an amateur pw output. You can't arrive before time limit on TdF moutain stages with an amateur pw output. Despide what he claims he is able to sustain 400+ W for several minutes. Even in a sprint leadout you are above 500 W in the wheel of your last teamate. He may lack of VO2 max to performe in TT but he would be embarrased against some Martin, Wiggins, Dumoulin, Dennis, Cancellara... but not being terrible
Although 'terribly' is probs in relation to the best gc/all round riders in the world and not sprinters. Cav is probs still has incredible numbers bearining in mind he still had to get round tours
road cycling in inherently all about power. need that engine. without the engine you aren't winning races. in many cases you aren't even finishing the longer races. sprinters in particular need to be up front else it don't matter how much you can output at the end when you've been dropped early on for inability to keep pace.
Doping doesn't work. Don't be stupid. Tons of lab studies show zero Improvment, or even decreases from epo. Vitamins c and e consistently show decreases. It's all a sham. But yes, some pro riders benefit from motors. Doping doesn't make them faster, even though some do it.
$4k? Really appears that its there to "support riders who don't have the backing of elite level coaching" as long as you've got an elite level bank account.
I'm not sure I'd be in a joking mood after being told I had no chance of being a pro, and should maybe try "spectating". The trainer was savage on someone who just gave everything they had. Good job Paul don't give up because Mr. Clean said you should.
There’s some cracking riders out there who cannot afford this kind of testing so to me it’s more of a money making exercise. Teams are seriously missing out on some raw talent and should be aiming at taking their testing methods to places where anybody can try out. Testing days or weekends set up. Could easily attract retailers so sell their goods at these events and gain some revenue that way. We get talking to riders who are 14/15 and 16 and are blowing away KOM’s for fun but have a certain discipline which is amazing at such a young age. All the same I enjoyed watching the video
This test seems very cool. But one thing about this very event. How can they test anything without proper cooling? I would set myself on fire right there before hitting my best numbers.
This is the pure smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ The only bad thing i hate of cycling world... is that you only see kids with Big Papas Mastercard Platinum edition.
Check out the documentaries about cycling clubs/teams from Africa. In developed countries there will always be wealthy people's kids competing with expensive stuff.
The funny thing about your comment is it shows you have no concept of money. If big papa has to use a credit card he obviously doesn’t have any money which is why he uses a credit card
Didn’t look like talent id session, more like a lot of middle aged men who have the money to fly to Geneva and then can also afford the fee to pay for the testing session - just so they can see how fit they are at 40-60 years old. Mind you I am 45 but don’t have the money but would I be better spending the money on a power meter in the long run?
honestmcgyver if you buy a pm you can just go out, do a 6 second sprint, 30 sec and 4 min max effort and compare for urself. Powermeter is the way to go. And a good book about training with power. Be your own coach.
no. thats not the pros average. its the average of the folks tested at this uci place. if it were the pro's averages. i best be calling up british cycling for a place in the team pursuit squad.
Can someone please explain how do those bikes work, how do you change the resistance to put max power without spinning out, or it does it automatically.
I had a go on a wattbike at the 2009 London Bike Show for a 500m sprint - setting the resistance for the first time is a bit of an educated guess but you will work out where you need to be fairly quickly. I talked to a few people beforehand, made a realistic assessment of my own abilities and went for it. Luckily I was not too far out!
Is there somewhere I can have a go at this session. Manchester would be ideal..? I havnt done all them efforts in one session but my all time power, weight and age are all at or around the UCI average. Other than the 4min which is 412w - 6.54w/kg.
Yeah 5.0W/Kg for 4 minutes is super-low for Pro-Tour level! I myself can hold around that for 20 minutes, and i'm a 38yr old who gets beat by 2 minutes every week at the local 16km TT...
great video, not sure i like the guy putting a complete negative report on the end of it, saying hell never be a uci pro. The Guy said himself hes a pretty much seasonal rider, i think hes got it in him if he wants to make the training sacrifice.
I was about to comment that his saddle height was too low (as were quite a few of the riders'). And since we're on the topic, his reach was too short as well. Both of those definitely affect how much power someone can generate during a sustained effort.
If you're referring to the Alpe'Dhuez time trial, he did this effort but also did it with nearly 3 weeks of hard core racing in his legs by that point, as that stage was towards the end of the Tour... That's what made his power output more so impressive and where the doping made a huge difference.
are the averages at the end when he compares himself averages for pro riders? I'm just a bit confused because ive done the test and want to know where i stand because according to that my 6 second sprint power is way above average at 1297W / 19.4 W/kg and at 5 minutes its 300W
It doesn't seem like a track kilometre sprinter test. My numbers in a simulation were: 21.1w/kg for 6" (development numbers), 16.6w/kg for 30" 1450w avg (over 3w/kg elite numbers...) and sure, after, for the 4' effort that I could only manage a minute over 450w then, failure and almost died. But it was fun. It's a fun feeling you are dying.
Only disliked the video because the final message is complete bull. If you let people tell you you cant do something then you'll never amount to anything.
What? How is a shade over 4W/Kg for a 4 min test elite level? I am a shitty cyclist who just started in the relative scheme of things and my 20 min FTP is 3.5... Wout Poels was doing 400 Watts for like half an hour for Froome in the Alps in 2016'
All of top guys have an FTP of around 400W. BTW, Wiggins did ~472W for 52 minutes at the London Olympic TT, Cancellara did the same at Rio. The Hour Record was done at 450W. Lochlan Morton can do a bit over 300W for an hour and he's considered a scrub in the peleton..
Overblown reactions. It's good to note that you can't directly compare yourselves to pros who are on drugs at least as effective as EPO. So you shouldn't feel bad about yourself, that is all.
The great ones can sustain 400 watts plus for an hour or so. Without that kind of talent, you really cant expect much other than a supporting role(domestique) or another. This bloke couldnt barely sustain 300 watts for 4 minutes. It is a reality check really.
Froome's or other top pro riders does'nt come from the full time training but only from genetics abilities that are just perfected with training. Froome on Full KFC diet and smoking would still destroy me despite everything. Pro level is exeptionnal. 350 W is definitely not. This is what I can average for 20 min and I don't train full time. I'm jus in the genetical best 10 % overall, GC riders are the best 10 % of pros that are the best 0.1 % overall. Their is a huge gap. 350 w for 5 min is quite good at most. But nothing to be proud or ashamed, it is just genetics you can enjoy rideing and training no matter your level.
It's really silly the order they run the tests in. Should start with the 4 minute effort and end with the 6 second effort, that's how it happens in races
Haha brutal!! That lad just blew his balls and the coach was like "yeah, you should be looking at management"
Over 50 . In yoda voice "that old they will be one day"
I think it is worth mentioning that I read Mark Cavendish‘s biography and he said he always did really terribly on these power tests, like so badly he refused to do them any more, as it was too embarrassing. He suggested the reason that he is an amazing rider is to do with his body shape/aerodynamics, bike skills and timing. It’s not solely about our outputs for certain kinds of riders.
I call BS since he participated WC/Olympics track event that demand aggressive bunch fight at 50 km/h. You can't be Madison WC with an amateur pw output. You can't compete in Omnium with an amateur pw output. You can't survive the Poggio at race pace with an amateur pw output. You can't arrive before time limit on TdF moutain stages with an amateur pw output. Despide what he claims he is able to sustain 400+ W for several minutes. Even in a sprint leadout you are above 500 W in the wheel of your last teamate.
He may lack of VO2 max to performe in TT but he would be embarrased against some Martin, Wiggins, Dumoulin, Dennis, Cancellara... but not being terrible
Although 'terribly' is probs in relation to the best gc/all round riders in the world and not sprinters. Cav is probs still has incredible numbers bearining in mind he still had to get round tours
road cycling in inherently all about power. need that engine. without the engine you aren't winning races. in many cases you aren't even finishing the longer races. sprinters in particular need to be up front else it don't matter how much you can output at the end when you've been dropped early on for inability to keep pace.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, son.
@@neoneherefrom5836 lol read his first book it’s all in there!
I always wondered where the overweight men over 40 are in the UCI. 🤔
lack of ego leftovers from real life situations
And what OZ Clarke did when not slurping wine
maybe I can't pass the pro test, but at least I can pass the drug test!
sucks to be you
What kind of drugs do you do?
You don’t get the joke??
@@rcdogmanduh4440 passing the drug test means you haven't done any drugs
Doping doesn't work. Don't be stupid. Tons of lab studies show zero Improvment, or even decreases from epo. Vitamins c and e consistently show decreases. It's all a sham. But yes, some pro riders benefit from motors. Doping doesn't make them faster, even though some do it.
$4k? Really appears that its there to "support riders who don't have the backing of elite level coaching" as long as you've got an elite level bank account.
I'm not sure I'd be in a joking mood after being told I had no chance of being a pro, and should maybe try "spectating". The trainer was savage on someone who just gave everything they had. Good job Paul don't give up because Mr. Clean said you should.
Hey man, nothing to be ashamed about dude! I think your numbers are excellent especially, since you don’t train like a pro would. Great job
So if he trained like a pro
He would become one now right?
There’s some cracking riders out there who cannot afford this kind of testing so to me it’s more of a money making exercise. Teams are seriously missing out on some raw talent and should be aiming at taking their testing methods to places where anybody can try out. Testing days or weekends set up. Could easily attract retailers so sell their goods at these events and gain some revenue that way. We get talking to riders who are 14/15 and 16 and are blowing away KOM’s for fun but have a certain discipline which is amazing at such a young age. All the same I enjoyed watching the video
How come I see nobody who looks remotely like a pro here, wtf
there are professionals that dont look like Sagan, Cav, etc :))
This test seems very cool. But one thing about this very event. How can they test anything without proper cooling? I would set myself on fire right there before hitting my best numbers.
Still, very fine effort. You took an honest look at those abilities and got an honest result. I really enjoyed this video and it’s insights
This is the pure smell of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The only bad thing i hate of cycling world... is that you only see kids with Big Papas Mastercard Platinum edition.
Or a very lucky guy.
Check out the documentaries about cycling clubs/teams from Africa. In developed countries there will always be wealthy people's kids competing with expensive stuff.
There’s probably a correlation with athletic performance and economic value. Stallions breed stallions
Agreed. However if some wonderkid wanted to get on their bike and show the world it can be done on a shoestring, there is very little stopping them.
The funny thing about your comment is it shows you have no concept of money. If big papa has to use a credit card he obviously doesn’t have any money which is why he uses a credit card
Didn’t look like talent id session, more like a lot of middle aged men who have the money to fly to Geneva and then can also afford the fee to pay for the testing session - just so they can see how fit they are at 40-60 years old. Mind you I am 45 but don’t have the money but would I be better spending the money on a power meter in the long run?
honestmcgyver if you buy a pm you can just go out, do a 6 second sprint, 30 sec and 4 min max effort and compare for urself. Powermeter is the way to go. And a good book about training with power. Be your own coach.
This was probably filmed at a Sufferfest Camp - thesufferfest.com/pages/national-team-camp
Ofcourse
Just back from Geneva. easyJet. Cheap as fuck flights
Yeah it seems pretty pointless. This a pure w/kg test - anyone with access to a fairly accurate Powermeter can replicate at home.
5:03 😂😂😂 i would have tried to break the land speed record at that moment! Wudda pissed me off! In a good way 🤣
Why are the UCI averages so low? Any well trained junior can do more than 5 watts per kilo for 4 minutes.
AA BB yea these are low af but it is on an erg which does make it harder
no. thats not the pros average. its the average of the folks tested at this uci place. if it were the pro's averages. i best be calling up british cycling for a place in the team pursuit squad.
That dude is really in bad shape. I am too, but even i can do better than that :-)
I can do 5 watts per minute in 4 kilograms
Average age: 21
Your stats destroy mine. I must be an old 2 stroke hedge trimmer if you are classed only as a 4 cylinder! Well Done!
8:25 he just burst his bubble his dreams
lol. the coach was hilarious. "1 minute will feel like 4 hours"
I can do 230 watts for an hour, steroid free!! I'm 54.
I am 230 and I can do steroids for 54 hours
ritterspocht I’m steroids and I can do 54 for 230 hours
@@radiostation6366 I knew you were a beast! BTW: I think steroids are not the thing to go to to imprve your FTP... ;-)
I am 54 watts, I can do 230 hours without steroid.
im 17 and my FTP is 285 haha!
your sprint numbers look pretty darn good.
Oz Clark was looking strong, must be off the wine.
8:24 live look at someone's manhood being taken from them.
I agree that we should protest the UCI
Girl at around 2:00 failed the how to hold a phone test.
Mark Skinner she got my attention!!👍
its an iphone, does not attract great people :)))
Vertical Video Syndrome
Is there any way that we can take the power profile testing part only w/o the other days in SufCamp???🤪
5w/kg on 4 minutes effort for a (male?) pro-rider...is this the real average? I was expecting much more!
the chart says 6.5 - 7.5 w/kg for elite
No way his 6" sprints were max effort, he didn't even look winded, and started at too high a RPM to really generate some high power numbers...
Where can i go to do this test?
Can someone please explain how do those bikes work, how do you change the resistance to put max power without spinning out, or it does it automatically.
jdslfc magnets how those even work
its magic, dont even ask!
I had a go on a wattbike at the 2009 London Bike Show for a 500m sprint - setting the resistance for the first time is a bit of an educated guess but you will work out where you need to be fairly quickly. I talked to a few people beforehand, made a realistic assessment of my own abilities and went for it. Luckily I was not too far out!
Hold my beer.....
This is a one off, i live by the UCI and this is not part of their regular offering ;-) It would have been great to do some heckling
so what is the 'management' level? i wanna try this test!
Great test! Gunna try this.
Great vid, great effort!
Is there somewhere I can have a go at this session. Manchester would be ideal..? I havnt done all them efforts in one session but my all time power, weight and age are all at or around the UCI average. Other than the 4min which is 412w - 6.54w/kg.
I see Neal Henderson on every technical cycling video, GCN Cycling weekly etc
He might as well be the COE of the sport xD
Does this only applie for road and track cycling because I race bmx and the laps don't even last up to 60 seconds
Your efforts would be similar to a sprint, like track cyclists do. BMXers have giant max power output like 1500+ watts I think for a short time.
Sounds cool
Where in Texas can I take this test? I'm interested in seeing just how good a shape I'm in
www.thirdcoasttraining.com/vo2-max-testing-in-houston.html
texas doesnt have bikes man, dont get your hopes up!
Interesting test. decent results posted by the lad. Do you think if Paul dropped 7kg he would perform alot better?
approximately 10 % better if he drop only fat
kudos to grandpa, hes the hero to me :)
Thats got to be a humbling experience
A cycler's bootcamp?? With Drill Sargent to boot!! Added to wishlist!!
At 9:45 - WCC-UCI Average - who are those 469 riders? Potential development center kids? Or press and everyone?
Yeah 5.0W/Kg for 4 minutes is super-low for Pro-Tour level! I myself can hold around that for 20 minutes, and i'm a 38yr old who gets beat by 2 minutes every week at the local 16km TT...
Not great - like 15w/Kg and 12w/Kg? I don't tend to do a lot of sprint efforts and I don't generally race with power outside of TT's.
Ha, I think you are underselling yourself, these are quite respectable numbers ;-). Also the table shown in the video has a row for age: 21.
great video, not sure i like the guy putting a complete negative report on the end of it, saying hell never be a uci pro. The Guy said himself hes a pretty much seasonal rider, i think hes got it in him if he wants to make the training sacrifice.
Does it bother anyone how low his seat is?
I was about to comment that his saddle height was too low (as were quite a few of the riders'). And since we're on the topic, his reach was too short as well. Both of those definitely affect how much power someone can generate during a sustained effort.
Lance could maintain 6.8 Watts/kg for 20 minutes, apparently only 20 or so people in the world could do that.
If you're referring to the Alpe'Dhuez time trial, he did this effort but also did it with nearly 3 weeks of hard core racing in his legs by that point, as that stage was towards the end of the Tour... That's what made his power output more so impressive and where the doping made a huge difference.
Abhijith Venuthurla half the people who pass you on £8000 roadies are doping too, it means nothing.
are the averages at the end when he compares himself averages for pro riders? I'm just a bit confused because ive done the test and want to know where i stand because according to that my 6 second sprint power is way above average at 1297W / 19.4 W/kg and at 5 minutes its 300W
What? 324W over 4 minutes? I could do 343 for 20 minutes 2 years ago.... This number cant be right...
Microage he looks pretty little you might be a lot bigger than him. He also said he only rides in the summer
A four minute drill at the end - yep, that would really make a man out of you.
It doesn't seem like a track kilometre sprinter test. My numbers in a simulation were: 21.1w/kg for 6" (development numbers), 16.6w/kg for 30" 1450w avg (over 3w/kg elite numbers...) and sure, after, for the 4' effort that I could only manage a minute over 450w then, failure and almost died. But it was fun. It's a fun feeling you are dying.
Just watching warm up... NO ONE is READY........
70 years old pro cyclist ?
if he trained like a pro trains, for sure his results would be above the requirements, give him a year or so.
Only disliked the video because the final message is complete bull. If you let people tell you you cant do something then you'll never amount to anything.
Mauricio Mino yes exactly
@@justinpatterson2334 because u dont have the genes cheif, im 5'6" NBA aint happening no matter how hard i believe or try 😂😂😂
The Brunette in the grey dress😍
Yeah didn't see much cycling... but that girl kept popping up in every shot!
Sean Preston What Time?
Who exactly are you being compared against on the stats sheet. Everyone one that does this program?
Good effort 👍
The old man next to you was going faster than you man!
I love this videooo 😭👏👏👏, I wanna try that one 😭😭😭
i dont need to do the test. i know im billion light years away from the pros.
I hit 120 km on a mtb with 34 chain set and weight is 16 kg
Test upcoming juniors and give them the chance to show their capabilities and potentials
I think that you didn not pass the test because you are a Hobbit.
Rhiad Marhes xaxaxaxaxa
Never train sprint and never see 4 digit power numbers but reckon I could score a decent 4 minute average.
At 100 kg I've only got to manage 4.4 watts per kilogram to match Bradley smith.. Why don't big guys beat Bradley smiths 440 watt 1 hour record ?
Thank you for this video. Now I know UCI camp is real.
It sure is! thesufferfest.com/pages/national-team-camp
Why are their sits so low??
It hurts me, to know I could never be a pro
What? How is a shade over 4W/Kg for a 4 min test elite level? I am a shitty cyclist who just started in the relative scheme of things and my 20 min FTP is 3.5...
Wout Poels was doing 400 Watts for like half an hour for Froome in the Alps in 2016'
All of top guys have an FTP of around 400W. BTW, Wiggins did ~472W for 52 minutes at the London Olympic TT, Cancellara did the same at Rio. The Hour Record was done at 450W. Lochlan Morton can do a bit over 300W for an hour and he's considered a scrub in the peleton..
was that rickety flexy POS supposed to accurately measure watts?
8:30 I don´t wanna know how LOL
Interesting, that 4 min must have been murder
No different from most tour pros. Nothing that a bit of EPO can't fix.
CnE durianrider follower ? Not all a are on epo
This is bullshit right here. The numbers pros are hitting are very much possible without doping. Educate, read something about human physiology.
This is just a bullshit excuse from a frustrated rider who had their dreams of being a pro were crushed.
Overblown reactions. It's good to note that you can't directly compare yourselves to pros who are on drugs at least as effective as EPO. So you shouldn't feel bad about yourself, that is all.
Are you aware that with biological passports they can't be on substances as effective as EPO? They do some micro doping at best.
JUST GIVE ME A CHANCE!!! ILL CRUSH THIS
Great that Oz Clarke is into cycling.
Where is my ollieb I would love to know where he stands
I have the vo2max of an asthmatic hippo retired from coal mining
if you push with 65 kg 1024 Watt for 30s, than you do lot's more on 4 Minutes, i think you mean 20 minutes...
The great ones can sustain 400 watts plus for an hour or so. Without that kind of talent, you really cant expect much other than a supporting role(domestique) or another. This bloke couldnt barely sustain 300 watts for 4 minutes. It is a reality check really.
what a muggle sprinting from the drops.
all of the worlds best sprinters sprint from drops lmao you'd be an idiot not to
Good effort.
Can anybody create that test for Zwift, please?
hornetluca do it ya self will take 2 mins.
Custom workout and a youtube tutorial is all you need
I'm lazy 😅
@@hornetluca then don't bother attempting the test. It's not for lazy people anyway.
@@a_mazing_af you're damn right
Great vid!
A hard fart will push you over finish line 50% of the time. Dig deep!
I can get you to the pro stats in less than 3 months easy
I pass many of these "$6000 Lance" wannabes on my 14 kg $250 road bike. I passed the UCI test with my eyes closed lol.
Hello bro where is this uci?
“Possibly viewership” 😂😂
You did good.
"Think that 350 is exeptional" Pros are 150-200 W above !!
yes, a pro rider puts out around 7w/kg for 5 minutes
Froome's or other top pro riders does'nt come from the full time training but only from genetics abilities that are just perfected with training. Froome on Full KFC diet and smoking would still destroy me despite everything. Pro level is exeptionnal. 350 W is definitely not. This is what I can average for 20 min and I don't train full time. I'm jus in the genetical best 10 % overall, GC riders are the best 10 % of pros that are the best 0.1 % overall. Their is a huge gap. 350 w for 5 min is quite good at most. But nothing to be proud or ashamed, it is just genetics you can enjoy rideing and training no matter your level.
350W for 20 minutes is quite good for an amateur. What is your body weight?
68 kg when in "climbing weight" ate age 28. It is "quite good" but nowhere near "exceptional" I usually do 70 % of pro speed up hill.
My 20min power is 349@80kg
10 years off the bike
Yet im way slower than i was when i was 15/16 knocking out 53min 25tt
The average UCi numbers showed at the end of the video are not realistic. Most of our local amateur riders do much more than this....
McQuillen looks so fracking gleeful in the background...
It's really silly the order they run the tests in. Should start with the 4 minute effort and end with the 6 second effort, that's how it happens in races
where can I get that Sufferlandria t-shirt? That is so cool.
We're sold out at the moment, but we'll have more soon here, Brian: thesufferfest.com/pages/gear-for-sufferlandrians
The Sufferfest - thanks for the prompt reply.
Try with EPO.
My 6 second is 1500w, my 30s is 1000w but I'm a fat bastard so my w/kilo is abysmal.
This is not 4DP. Looks like a easier version of 4DP.
I couldnt finish watching this because there was so many ads so not sure if this was a good video or not sorry
Mr. Egghead from Sufferfest
avg watt 112 and looks like hes already struggling.... LOL
YOU CALL THAT SUFFERING?!?!
He threw up afterwards, but we didn't get it on camera unfortunately. In the wide shot, you can see we put a bin next to the bike... #ominous
Yea, no buckets, and having a chat post effort.... BS