Turns Out Arthas Is A Really Big Deal
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So if you've watched the Shadowlands Afterlives: Bastion you may have realized that Arthas is actually a huge deal and not just a fallen prince.
He shook the Kyrians and Bastion to the core and so far it seems like he is one of the character responsible for breaking the Shadowlands machine and empowering the Jailer and the Maw In this video I quickly discuss his backstory and my speculations on his connections to the Jailer as well as the links between the dreadlords, Kil'Jaeden, Sargeras, the Lich King and the Maw.
Going over how the Helm of Domination and Frostmourne were created and why is Arthas an agent of the Maw. How is he wielding the armor and the sword of the Jailer and what is the link between the Jailer and the Lich King. - I am not the owner of any of the art shown in the videos. All artworks belong to their rightful owners. Due to images being shared across various sites it is quite difficult to find who the original artists are. If I used your work I'd be more than happy to give you full credit, just contact me at doronproductionfilms@hotmail.com
What do you guys think is the connection between Arthas, Jailer and the Legion?
Arthas: just as planned
Jailer: yes my apprentice my queen will be pleased
Arthas: all hail sylvanas The true god of the universe
The Dreadlords had the armor and weapon forged in the maw. Them being aware of the Shadowlands is reasonable given some are aware of the Void Lords.
Retcons retcons evrywhere
@@eradication541 life is a constant retcon tbh 😉
Arthas: Hero we needed but didn't deserve.
Sylvanas: Hero we needed but didn't deserve.
Legion: Army led by a hero we need but dont deserve.
Jailer: Hero we are going to need but won't deserve.
Imagine if Arthas was the only reason why the Lich King didn't fulfill the jailers plans. Almost like he actively resisted the Lich King from within. "Father, is it over?"
Its true actually. He kept the Scourge back so they dont unleash their full powers on Azeroth. Everything would be dead if he did that
@@kristiyangrigorov5232 hey , russian guy, stop saying theories in a way that they are real. You have no evidence
@@paleface1911 im not russian lmao. And this is not a theory. Go and learn your lore before you speak about it
@@kristiyangrigorov5232 Arthas held back the scourge because he wanted to lure the heroes to him. NOT to save azeroth. So maybe you are the one who should read some lore. And don't read it in russian, maybe thats why you misunderstand some things
@@paleface1911 you are so ignorant lmao. For second time im telling you that im not russian. Im Bulgarian. And we gave the Russians the alphabet they use now lol. Read your lore again.
"Turns Out Arthas Is A Really Big Deal"
Who would've thunk, huh ...
This title = my problem with this expansion
Thunk
@@vex8133 Well that is the colloquialism ...
Thought*
@@killer2403 See my reply to @DeeRooomey above.
Turns Out Arthas Is A Really Big Deal
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Always has been
Van Do A joke just like your life? jk
They're gonna eventually bring him back in Shadowlands, either as a helping character or a boss
Yea i can see him getting some sort of redemption arc or some shit
@James Younger I wouldn't want him back either. Blizzard shouls focus on giving us new interesting characters instead of relying on the old ones
@@Pachiku93 Arthas is like Darth Vader in star wars it's not the same without him they would do good to bring him back the only thing they can mess up is if like SJW cames in to play with their crap if they don't it should be fine maybe even amazing but if they do then I feel even more sorry for Arthas
@Van Do were talking about Arthas not you
@@merlinboshoff1052 yea
Arthas - Lich king and Anakin - Darth vader are very similar
They both are a good guys in the past and get twisted by an evil power
They both fought againt's their master
They both was used as a tool or a slave by their superior and then fight back
They both betray their old order
And they both are a fearsome and dreadfull leader
To be fair. The Lich King was always capable of feats that were supposed imposible to normal Necromancers. For example he was the only one capable of creating Undead Worgen and Third Generation Death Knights.
Undead worgen? Don't see any of those in game. There was something about the Curse of Fang or w/e it's called that prevents worgen people to be resurrected into undeath. Please do elaborate.
Westsider Metalhead Worgen Death knights.
@@westsidermetalhead4997 normally the druidic energy within a worgen makes it impossible to raise them as undead but the lich king personally can use frostmourne to overpower that and raise them anyway. But only frostmourne directly has that power.
@@vicente8107 only as a playable race. I ment show me undead worgen npcs.
@@westsidermetalhead4997 there are non because they are supposed to be the rarest of death knights as all other DKs can be created by Necromancers empowered by the Lich King but only he himself can raise Worgen, making such DKs very rare. Likely even rarer than the allied race DKs that Bolvar raised after the fourth war as Bolvar jad many dead soldiers as rare material and none of these races is hard to raise except maybe Lightforged.
Neah, Arthas is staying home. With all this pandemic shit he is furloughed, waiting for his old job back.
I mean he sorta was the main driven character during WC3... he's always been a big deal
Yeah story wise but in terms of lore power perspective he was a minor character.
@@Doronsmovies im pretty sure that... after arthas became the lich king.. he was the second strongest guy ever existed besides sargeras.. Sadly Blizzard/acti killed arthas way too soon.. and with that they killed their IP
@@semiramisubw4864 now how did you come to that conclusion, Arthas with full power could probably have taken over Azeroth, any of the old gods could have done the same if freed, and any of the titans could have destroyed the planet outright, not to mention the fact that in a 1 on 1 fight Arthas get destroyed by full power Ragnaros, Deathwing, Full power Medivh, and quite a few others
@@semiramisubw4864 I mean, at that time in Warcraft maybe, but there are other forces in the background, including the other titans, and the Jailer himself, and maybe the other important NPCs in Shadowlands, alongside Kil'Jaeden and Archimonde
@@semiramisubw4864 you also have to think we weakened him to destroying his heart, the wrath gate seemed to damage him too so he wasn't at full power and we always need an end boss plus there is a nee lich king just not Arthas
Arthas the true Lich King shall return! His father was wrong when he said no king rules forever, Arthas’s influence on the lore and events that have happened since the end of WC3 and since his fall atop ICC are greater than we all could have thought.
I will take his crown I’m Bknight will be new Koch king remember that lich king
Van Do lol ye it won’t happen no body know only blizzard create the game
Van Do ye u got point maybe he help Azeroth little bit
Van Do oh ok srry my bad
Van Do we don’t know only the blizzard know they hiding the story
I would love to see uther regret his decision and it turns out that arthas is the key to the jailers escape.... yeah that would be funny
man this just makes me think back to when i started playing Wow in WOTLK ..miss those times!
Everyone here is forgetting that if Arthas himself was on the same side as the Jailer, Sylvanas would never in a million years have sided with them. Sylvanas is the ultimate spirit of vengeance and it would be abysmal writing if after she finally got her vengeance she just says fuck it and sides with the Jailer anyway.
Also, another big plot point is the fact that if Arthas was doing the jailers bidding, and so was Sylvanas by breaking the Helm of Domination, why wouldn’t the Jailer have just ordered the Lich King to do it before?
Some things don’t add up.
Maybe because Arthas was easily controllable as opposed to Bolvar, they could get Arthas to do their bidding whereas they couldn't get Bolvar to do so. This might be why they somehow manipulated Sylvanas to destroy the Helm of damnation. Realistically, I don't even believe what I just said and as far as I'm concerned the story is all over the place but I just don't want this expansion to flop lol.
Eddie I mean I meant Arthas when I said the Lich King anyway. I don’t think the Lich King worked for the Jailer at all. I think that the only thing related to the Maw/Jailer is Frostmourne and it was an independent weapon the Lich King happened to use and in no way was necessary for the Lich King to be the Lich King ya dig?
I am more curious about how the Jailer discovered what the helm was and why the helm breaking did what it did. If I recall correctly the helm was made alongside the armor by the Nathrezim to imprison Ner’zhul so why does the helm breaking somehow break the veil between the realms of the living and the dead?
@@enemyofgod5960 That's honestly something I really don't understand either. I think whatever explanation we're given will be some intangible nonsense to justify the means.
@@enemyofgod5960 they retconned the helm and blade to be artifacts of the shadowlands. The helm and blade are now made by the jailer.
Heres my theory / headcanon. The jailer was the power (as in the necromantic / magical power) behind the lich king and was also imprisioned in / by the helm of domination. The legion imprisoned him with the help of many of the leaders of the shadowlands (including the bastion one). They either made a deal with the legion because the jailer was too powerful and they feared his power or he was already invading other parts of the shadowlands ( like we are seeing now in the expansion). This was most likely helped by the dread lords connection to Ravendreth. They choose to accept the help of the legion either because they were desperate or because Sargeras approached them in his regular titan form and thus they didnt know the legion was evil or they simply didnt know anything about the legion anyhow. Queue Ner’Zul and then Arthas. Perhaps Arthas was actually good and fighting the jailers influence. Thus he’ll be back as a good guy in shadowlands. Think Illidan and the legion expansion. Queue wotlk and Bolvar becoming lich king. There always has to be a lich king because otherwise the jailer will get full control and use it to kill as many as he can and get their souls sent to the maw thus him getting stronger. The jailer didnt dare make his move too obvious and big while the legion was still around. Queue legion expansion and the legion gets defeated. Jailer starts making his move with Sylvanas as his champion in the mortal world. From the wars the jailer becomes more powerful and when the time is right / he can channel enough power into Sylvanas she destroys the helmet thus completely freeing the jailor. I know theres some holes but im to lazy to fill them in right now. Probably some parts i forgot though, oh well.
I always thought Arthas got a raw deal. He was just a young cocky dude who accidentally got involved in forces way more powerful than him. He lost his will and mind and became a tool.
#ArthasDidNothingWrong
i mean it wasn't accidental. in the w3 campaign, kel thuzad says to arthas that the lich king has chosen arthas to be his champion long before any of his "bad stuff" started.
he was pretty much destined to merge with the lich king. kind of like a "chosen one" thing
Well not fate just planned out. They played on his love for his people and strong emotions to go on the extreme purge and hunt the one who made his people suffer until the moment he picked up frostmourne to save his people where it claimed his humanity and soul first. It even says so on the inscription muradin reads
Dreadlords are cunning bastards.
He didn't have Frostmourne yet when the culling of Stratholme happened. He ain't a good person.
@@apoloWND he wanted to save his people
Reminder that if Tyrion didn't use [Thoughts & Prayers!] WoW would have ended in wrath.
Arthas was and is my favourite character, I was rooting for him to win throughout the whole WOTLK.
Arthas was not working with the Jailer. But, Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination are relics from the maw. My theory is, Legion somehow got a hold on them and used them to create the Lich King. Arthas was not being controlled by the Jailer nor was he serving him. He was literally caught up between.
If they're all connected somehow does that mean twisting nether and shadowlands are connected? Seeing shadowlands are the place of mortals soul reside and twisting nether are the place of demons soul reside.
Probably not even if the legion and the jailor are connected.
Shadowland is like twisting nether for mortals
@Red Dre so when someone killed in shadowlands does that means they're dead "dead"?
Like the elemental lords and dreadlords?
@@TheKobasen Yes basically when a spirit from the shadowlands dies they turn into Anima and give back the energy they accumulated back to the machine of death.
Secretes Immagon no. When a soul dies in the shadowlands they break down into anima. Sometimes the anima escapes the real of the shadowlands, if enough of it conglomerates in the same location it creates a world soul.
Tichondrius: The runeblade(frostmourne) that you carry was forged by the (Lich King) and empowered to (steal souls). Yours was the first one(arthas) it claimed(warcraft3). 1)Uthers soul was in frostmourne till end of wrath 2)it was Lich king who gave power to the yielder of Frostmourne(in general) not the oposite(warcraft 3 tft). Its sad that blizzard ruins the lore like that and push Sylvanas the femisupreme the grill angel with a bird and the two male deers :) (hope some people know what sarcasm is and dont denie the obvious stuff)
This, unfortunately the whole lore is in shambles. There has has been retcons, small and big, with every new expansion pack.
I want to know what happen to Kel'thuzad I hope he is still alive
Consider that the Bones of Grakkarond are also in Northrend, and what kind of trouble a resurrected Father of Dragons might have caused. Even if we only got a taste in the Supervillain trilogy of Hearthstone expansions, it's still a thought to keep folks awake at night...
They Kyrians were not scared, only one was. Everybody else was like “shut up”
Dude you got the names all mixed up here,,,,Bastion the arbiter???? Bastion intervened??? Only two people intervened, Uther and Devos.
Here's the thing: Only Devos saw the threat of the LK. No one else did. So, I would take what Devos says far more seriously than the others.
Maw = The Ninth Circle of Dante's Inferno
Yeah, and the jailor is basically Lucifer
They better bring my boy back as a Paladin so he can screw up Sylvanas
My theory: In the Uther short we saw His soul split in two, one devoured and then used to reanimate Sylvanas, and the other... somewhere in the shadowlands. My theory on this soul split is that somewhere in the Shadowlands is the "Humanity" of Sylvanas while her form that was created for one purpose not just to mock her her life: "Destroy everything" or "kill all life". As it is with all Undead, i did hear somewhere that Death Knights even on the Alliance and Horde Suffer from this effect that they are drawn towards life but not to embrace it but to enact the cruelest deeds against it by either killing it or the most gruesome way possible or suffer an effect that literally forces them to go into a bloody stomping war path and basicly kill everything in sight. of course most Death knights now can control this urge but thankfully enough for us there are still many Enemies and problems on azeroth that they can use as a way to feed there bloody hunger for death against life. So again... SOMEWHERE in the Shadowlands is the part of Sylvanas that may or may night come back and could quite possibly revert her back to her old self, see what she has done and basicly exile herself and find ways to atleast redeem most acts of cruelty by either two ways: 1: helping those on azeroth as a champion in the shadows against future threats or 2: Remain in the shadowlands and suffer the pain in Revendreth, Seek her humanity in Bastion, Better herself in Maldraxxus, and honor and respect life itself in Ardenweald and possibly be given new life there. I love Sylvanas as a character but people seem to forget that Frostmourne is quite a Powerful and manipulative weapon that corrupts the soul.
Edit: I sometimes ramble on so if things just seem out of place... Yeah, my apologies."
I could see them baiting a redemption arch for her bit just before she gets some form of redemption Tyrandde ends her
DORON! ugh ive missed this channel. idk why your newest videos haven't been popping up on my feed - SUPER STRANGE!
Last time I was this early, Arthas was still the Litch King!
"Litch"
If blizzard is gonna do their own version of subverting expectations, it would be that Arthas is ending up getting rescued from the maw and be judged by the arbiter only to become a kyrian because he was actually not as much of a bad guy at all before he was controlled/influenced by the jailer.
Imagine that, Arthas with pure white kyrian wings
So it's true .. Communizzard finally brought out his Arthas card to attract players.
And the next person to return will be deathwing first it was illidan tbc then it's arthas wotlk and then it's deathwing cataclysm.
@@petersander5802 Exactly, they are probably going to bring him back by doing a retcon, making him reconcile with the Dragon Aspects and make him a hero in the fight against the Void.
Turiel The Protector of Secrets and then it’s garrosh but it won’t be garrosh because he did nothing wrong.
@@RyanRonin He did he attacked an unarmed priest and he tried to kill vol'jin without honor he diden't even challange him to a mok'gora.
He would have at least gone to Revendreth to be given a chance to atone for his deeds and if he didn't then they would have sent him to the Maw after draining him of his anima
I really hope they don't ruin arthas with this expansion
Not ruin ENHANCE HIIIIIM....
Arthas IS the Lich King, Bolvar was just a usurper. We will see the one true king return.
Excuse me, but nerzhul is and always been the Lich king, Arthas was his puppet/vessel
@@Nighttimeqt1 Arthas as I recall wrestled control from him. Nerzhul became nothing more than an echo in his mind.
Are the Forsaken connected to the Maw? That would explain why their afterlife sucks even for the good undead like Sylvanas.
Sylvanas...a good undead...
fucking lol
Syl stopped being a good forsaken ever since she yeeted herself off the ice crown citadel
I want a DeathKnight to absorb all the Titans.
Here's a mind-blowing fan theory for you. What if the Lich King and arthas were not trying to help the Jailer but instead by turning everyone into Undead and keeping their souls trapped on Azeroth and free from the shadowlands he was trying to deny Anima entering the afterlife and powering the jailer and more importantly revendread and the master of the dreadlords
Arthas is the only true king, as cruel as he might have been. He turned out to be exceptionally strong willed.
I’m actually wondering like what exactly is the criteria to be somewhat connected to the maw as a pawn agent or anything
Sylvannas I guess there is and will be a complete story on how she can use the power of the maw
Lich king armor and rune is from the maw
In which I guess nerzhul is completely an agent while arthas is not fully an agent but controllable because his soul falls victim to frostmourne and is scared but what about bolvar why doesn’t he become influenced or know about the maw does it mean you need frostmourne? And the helm of domination isn’t able to make bolvar realize and etc.
Bolvar said that he had some feeling about Maw from the time when he got the helm, but not the fully like Arthas maybe, because of the frostmourne ? Like maybe Runes on helm is the begining of the text and on the frostmourne it is the end of the Runes (text) and if they are wield together you get straight connection with the maw.
I think the only proper route would be that yogg saron planted a void seed in arthas' soul after all that time being surrounded by his blood and this was the method to expand into the shadowlands, yoggsaron being the "god of death" so uther dropping arthas soul into the maw is what caused all of this.
When Arthas dies and Sylvanas wanted to commit suicide. She went to a dark place and saw Arthas there. He was insignificant their. Just a little scarred child running around.
Nice video!
Question: if Frostmourne is potentially much more powerful than we thought, would that also apply to Ashbringer? Does the sword that overcame Frostmourne also have powers beyond our comprehension?
I feel like they’re saving Arthas for reclaiming Lordaeron.
Highly unlikely IMO. I think they're leading towards a semi redemption arc for him. He'll eventually help us through Shadowlands undoing many of the wrongs he committed, the biggest being creating the Sylvanas we have today. But I do not think he's magically just going to be back to reclaim Lordaeron. More then likely he'll be judged by the arbiter properly at somepoint, help us defeat the big bad, then who knows. The only way I can see him sticking around is if they somehow throw the title of Lich King back on him, maybe as an eternal punishment for all his sins? Only he's soul will be intact and not utterly corrupted. Regardless it should be fun seeing him in game.
@@EmptyBrewsky he dident do any wrongs it was the lich king and the jailer
I think the lich king is defitly a agent of the maw but not arthes just the lich king
Considering that arthas with his army destroyed Lordaeron (biggest human kingdom) Silvermoon, Dalaran, Summoned the legion with Kel'Thuzad, set up illidan to be corrupted, killed the best paladins out there, and litteraly made the forsaken, and considering he is technically the reason that the legion came and thrall went to kalimdor and met the trolls and tauren there, he litteraly made the horde faction and scattered alliance, so ye he was always influental
Also the legion didn't get anywhere near destroying 3 extremely strong majot cities, but i kinda get it its in wow this was in wc3
Arthas WAS chosen by Ner`zhul, for his champion long before the Scourge even began -"Kel`Thuzad"
I hope we can see Arthas interact with Jaina I really like both characters and wish them the best.
Doron is the only WOW youtuber that doesn't annoy me. Thank you for having a good channel
Honestly, I think the Legion was just used as an ends to a means. Manipulated by the Nathrezim, who clearly serve someone else and by proxy the jailer- according to a book found in game come shadowlands. As I recall, it was the Nathrezim who created the vampiric runeblades one of which was frostmourne. since Arthas's goal was very narrow sighted and singular, he was the opportune person to unwittingly drive forward some plan the Jailer had. (As in this book a Natherizm notes that forces who are very one minded in their cause are the easiest to manipulate; see naru and the titans) Arthas's singular goal was to eradicate the corruption posed by the legion and their assumed undead. Which I would wager the undead wasn't entirely the legion's pawn, but the Jailer's and the Nathrezim, who are expert deceivers led the legion to believe it was their doing. I can't really say for certain what the jailer's goal is, but I can only assume it is entire domination of the cosmos. As the Natherzim who wrote this Shadowlands book notes that Order (Titans), Disorder (Legion), Life (Wild gods), Holy (Light) and Shadow (Old Gods) are their rivals (which means they serve death) and seek to gain an upper hand on them. What that has to do with everything pinpointing on azeroth, I really can't say- but everyone seems focused on the baby titan. The world soul is probably the key to vast amounts of harness-able power which could likely tip the balance.
Why everyone forget the deciever, he is the Master of dreadlords.
He create the lich King, there is not way Kil'jaeden to create something whitout knowing where it get power from...
The machinery of death broke during Legion. It got confirmed in an interview
He was using the maw magic sword, then they skip his archon judgment process and toss him straight into the Source of his Lich King power. If they don’t bring him back as a boss then I need to get hired as a writer for blizz. Should be plenty of room for new hires since dreamhaven is gonna take all the OG blizz employees
story wise Arthas was and still is the largest threat since the rest of the enemys we face on WOW seems like random dragon ball villains that come and go just to be defeated, we could say that garrosh was also a good threat but it was poorly use
Garrosh was like the next Arthas. Awesome villain build-up but ends in a weak anti-climatic in a expansion where he isn’t the main villain but a villain that we don’t get to kill at all...
In shadowlands
Doronsmovies: turns out arthas is really a big deal
WOTLK: am i a joke to you?
Arthas didn't break the machine of death... Ursoc was properly sorted years later
the lich king helmet design is similar to the maw architecture design especially the armor and building! they look exactly the same so there must be a connection between the jailer and the dread lords. Do you think the lich king armor design a coincidence?
Arthas was good until the end, at least a part of him, in the book it seems his mind was shattered into Young Arthas, Ner'zhul and how Arthas saw himself as a death knight who now barely cared about his people (he used to treat his undead army as an actual army because that's the kind of leader he was and just like The Horsemen, parts of his personslity still were alive.)
An in game book was found just that seems to link Sire Denathrius and the Dread Lords and of him seeding agents amongst the other cosmic powers. It could be possible that it was a long con plan to make a Lich King on behalf of the Jailor all along.
Arthas hid a lot more in his head than one would think.
@Doronsmovies I recommend taking a look at a new Datamined book called Enemy Infiltration - Preface
It makes it seem the dreadlords may actually serve death more concretly as well as various other juicy tidbits.
It may also answer the Illgynoth whispers referencing six seats at the table, and "Cunning ones bow to 6 masters but serve only 1" being the 6 cosmological forces!
Actully really exited how shadowlands going to play out and as always great video Dorons!
Same. Thank you
I feel like Sylvanas wont be able to help herself and in some cold irony she will take Arthas as her servent and we will either have to kill him to set him free, or free him so he can help us beat Sylvanas.
NOTE I have not played WoW in many years, so I have no idea on what has happened in this game.
SO this is just what I wish for this game (fan-fiction)
If we ever get a warcraft 4 RTS game, I hope we get to play as Arthas.
The beginning could be him trying to redeem himself after the things he has done.
He starts weak and he does al he can to hide himself from others (using a mask).
He goes around saving all that he can from disease to demons, and as he does that, word of his deed goes through the realms.
Eventually it would reach all the playable races, of a masked person (no one knows what race Arthas is cause of the mask) and tries to come in contact with him.
Arthas would meet many different races and get many allies in his time as a wandered. And get the name of "The wanderer", cause he never reveals his name to anyone.
After his ressurrection, his lich king powers that he still has in his soul, became purified and redone to serve the light.
In time he might even be able to undo the Undead curse as ge gets stronger and more in tune with the light.
Sorry for this sudden fanfiction =)
I had fun writing it!
But the armor of the lich king was made by Kil'jaden when Ner'Zul was turned into the armor. Unless there is a retcon im missing
If this is True than he would beat Sylvanas in a fight because their powers come from the same place but he is baseline stronger. Maybe that’s wet she was chosen. She was the only one that was most like the Lich King.
I thought that the runes were put there by Kil'jaeden himself and both frostmourne and the crown were created to imprison Ner'zhul? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it went something like that.
Funny thing is, I don't think you can call Arthas as the worst person ever and deserving of the maw. Sure he killed a lot of people and raised them into undeath, but he also was the one who kept the undead under control from raging mindlessly across azeroth.
Worst people ever are more like Gul'dan, Blackmore and Sylvavas (suck it fanzies)
i have a question, if when Uthur died, didn't frostmourne absorb his soul? so how did he go to the shadowlands if his soul was within the blade, empowering it?
You see both things happen in the cinematic; one part of the soul is consumed by Frostmourne and one was sent to Bastion. Uther also appears as a ghost in WotLK outside Icecrown in a questline, appearantly he could manifest outside the blade in some degree, just as a lot of souls inside Icecrown bound to Frostmourne, including Arthas' father.
Edit: His soul was appearantly split in half, which might explain the wound he suffers as a soul in Bastion. I have no idea where the soul trapped in the blade went after Tirion destroyed Frostmourne though. If it had merged with the soul in Bastion, it's surprising that Uther still threw Arthas into the Maw - As the Uther trapped within Frostmourne decided to forgive and forget, and remember Arthas as the student he was and not the monster he became. It's a bloody mess at the moment.
Throwing Arthas into the maw wasn't justice.
2:05 this guy looks better than the actual jailor,i wish this was the villan...not some skinny half naked dude
this original jailer concept literally looks skinnier than the actual jailer concept idk what ur talking about lol but i do prefer the original concept art
if they don't use Arthas in ShadowLands, World of warcraft will fall
U can bet Blizzard knows it
Question
Wasn’t killjedan
Who created the helmet with narsu body
And now we have the “Enemy Infiltration-Preface” on the beta which has massive cosmic Dreadlord implications
I said back when WOTLK ended when Arthas is back ill come back to wow
So all this war there been in warcraft it was just feed the jailer and if we didn't kill the lich king he would be much more powerful then the burning legion or even the void lords?
Damn that would be awesome to server a king that powerful
I think we can imagine what Sylvanas saw after she decided to end her undead life and jumped off the Ice Crown Citadel
I'm suprised as to why so many people don't want him back. I love when Blizzard ties storyline with old lore to explain past events or offer a new perspective we didn't see before. The ilgynoth lines are juicy and prove they have some things planned in advance. BGA was a lore mess and didnt really tie to anything but Shadowlands seems to be going in a good direction. Arthas is not the Lich King anymore but I would love to see his arc explored further and discover what was behind all of it. It's their base material from WC3, I doubt they mess this up.
ima call it. either the souls stolen by frostmourne are still split and will play some important role. and or arthas or least the evil part of him will overthrow the jailer and become a cosmic level threat like the legion
I think you're reading too much into things here, drawing lines I really can't see and seemingly forgotten or overlooked a lot of already established lore. And nobody who understood even a fraction of the threat the Lich King posed, would claim he was "just a nuisance". Without Tirion Fordring's plot armor and his mass resurrection spell, the Lich King would most likely have succeeded. The players; "Azeroth's greatest and most powerful champions", LOST to the Lich King. They all died. Did you forget that?
The Lich King wanted to rule Azeroth, what his plans were next we may never know. Had he succeeded, and with the most powerful beings on Azeroth at his command, his possibilities would be near limitless. As for Sargeras and the Old Gods, they were not introduced "after" the Lich King. They've been known since vanilla, you just didn't see Sargeras in person until Legion as a player. Even the Void Lords were getting their share of lore in the BC expansion.
Had the Lich King been an agent of the Jailer he'd do what Sylvanas did a long time ago. The Lich King kept all the souls of his victims within Frostmourne to empower himself - Sylvanas made sure to send as many souls as possible straight to the Shadowlands and into the Maw, as the Arbiter had been "shut down". Breaking the Helm of Domination to open the rift made zero sense until Blizzard's writers altered the lore. Until that happened, the helmet did nothing but control the undead that had been turned by the Scourge, which is another plot hole that Blizzard has yet to adress: What the heck is going on with all these undead that are now supposedly running rampant on Azeroth, who's going to deal with them? That was the very reason Bolvar took up the role as the new Lich King; to keep the Scourge in check.
As for the Dreadlords, of course Blizzard might retcon this as well. Initially it was established that Sargeras found the Nathrezim (Dreadlords) on their own planet, and now many seem to think they're from the Shadowlands. They are demons, thus why they're sent to the Twisting Nether when they're killed, and not the Shadowlands. This was established a long time ago. Just because they look like the Stoneborn doesn't mean they're from the Shadowlands; there are many races and creatures in the Shadowlands that look like creatures from the "planes of the living". Which isn't so surprising since some of them keep their original form even in the Shadowlands, we've seen quite many already.
It was also stated that the armor and the sword of Ner'zhul was made by the Nathrezim by orders of Kil'Jaeden, and I severly doubt the writers at that time even thought about the Jailer or whatever; it's almost 20 years ago this was written. Ner'zhul's task was to weaken Azeroth for the coming of the Burning Legion, but instead he decided to try and take it for himself.
The Shadowlands as a concept is very new and hardly ever mentioned before, barely hinted at if you read very deep between certain lines and interpret it as you like to fit what now is - Just look at the forums, some serious weed smoking is going on in the fan theories there. It's also now stated that the Icecrown has served as an anchor to the Shadowlands on Azeroth, which in itself is a serious lore plot hole - The Icecrown didn't even exist before Ner'zhul was thrown into Northrend, he had it built and then Arthas upgraded it. Blizzard's writers are just making shit up as they go, and alter established lore like J.K. Rowling on an acid trip.
Sargeras did not "want the World Soul". Sargeras wanted to destroy the World Soul and the entire planet, just as he has destroyed countless other worlds. And in Ardenweal we hear that a World Soul has never been seen in the Shadowlands, which would imply that the destruction of the World Soul would not benefit the Jailor. Sargeras' Burning Crusade is exactly what its name implies; he intends to burn and destroy everything in the cosmos, because he was driven mad and corrupt during his initial conquest to rid the cosmos of demons and corruption from the Void. It's therefore borderline insane to think Sargeras would give a damn about the Jailor; he's a Titan who's sole goal is the destruction of all life and all worlds to stop the Void's corruption in the physical plane. Sargeras is hellbent on stopping the Void Lords, and the Void is currently mentioned in battles with the Shadowlands, specifically the Bastion. So if there is any indication that the Jailor is an ally of the Void Lords, Sargeras would hate his guts by default.
Arthas was never "consumed by the power of the Maw", he was corrupted by Ner'zhul through Frostmourne the moment he made the pact with it, which was Ner'zhul's sword. The fact that they've decided to attribute the same type of runes that Ner'zhul was rocking to the Jailor and his realm is just disappointing. If it turns out they're going to reduce the Lich King to an ignorant pawn of the Jailor, I won't be surprised, but even more disappointed.
Arthas has always been a big deal, because as the Lich King he was one of the greatest threats that Azeroth ever faced; and had it not been for Tirion's plot armor he most likely would have succeeded and made Azeroth one big world of undeath for him to rule; all bound to his will. I would wish the Legion good luck with conquering Azeroth if the Lich King had succeeded, and the same goes for the Old Gods. A Lich King empowered with the souls of an entire planet is no small foe, as well as the fact he'd have its strongest champions at his disposal, the very same champions who would fight back every threat known to Azeroth before and since. I believe the only thing he may not have been able to stop would be Sargeras in his titan form, as Sargeras has cleaved entire planets in half with his sword.
I guess Illdan return to stop Arthas return and Thrall dead then go to see his mom and Thrall fucking come back as worldfucker and kill everyone.
Arthas should have went to the arbiter for judgement. I do believe arthas wasn't aware of his actions from taking up frostmourne, I believe he was trapped in his body and mind but had no control over it. He will of faced judgement for strathholme but not his actions as the lich king.
Imagine if Arthas turns out to be a champion of the Jailor and then puts Sylvanas in her place once more, how epic that'd be, Sylvanas a puppet of Arthas once again! History should repeat itself, also what if Nerzhul and Arthas were primarily controlled by Jailor and all that happened on Azeroth was Jailors grand scheme from the beginning, just imagine the possibilities this expansion brings in terms of lore, I hope blizz doesn't let it become another good guy kills evil and enjoys Moonberry Juice kinda lore once again, it needs to justify everything that has happened on Azeroth during BFA, as well as set a future stage for the lore....
Technically, those nathrezim are the first Maw Walkers
Dronsmovies - if Pilav ever made a lore channel could look like this.
Dude!!! Where is sargeras’ hand on the world??? He literally put his hand on the planet
Why tf no1 thought at this???
Still dont understand this confusing power level blizzard created. Sargeras gave power to Kil'jaeden, than Kil'jaeden created whole concept around lich king, including runes on the Frostmourne. I still dont understand how the fk could we beat Kil' jaeden 2 times if he had the power that even Bastion is afraid of.
Still need more information about how is Sargeras connected to the Maw, since he is the one who was the Kil'Jaeden's mentor. Is jailer somehow connected to demons and sargeras? Blizzard will have to give us explanation for it.
Because the players gotta win bro. WOW's story has been free-falling ever since.
OK so Sargeras and the Jailor couldn't have made the demons as the demons were the ones that put doubt on Sargeras. Also we don't really know the connection to the twisting nether and the shadow lands.
What if the jailer. Is trying to possess Azeroth. Crazy? Look at the lich king.
Aren't the dread lords just apart of the venthyr or w.e I believe there was an audio file that kinda proves it
The jailer chose arthas father child before he was born to become the Lich King.
Well so far we don't see anything hinted about arthas, I have a feeling Blizzard probably just dumped him in the maw and called it a day lol, watch Blizzard justify it saying Arthas is some random shade you interrogated as part of the quest LOL.
You are sadly wrong Sargeras was fighting against void lord every titan planet infected must be purge in his theory he work alone. Jailer must somehow place the sword and rest in livung universe to collect the soul via swodrd to gain power to escape (noone can escape maw but items?)
plot twist, all this was for sylvannas desire to deserve a honorable death from arthas when he tried to resurrect kel thuzad during the scourge attacked for the sunwell
I'm telling you, Arthas will become the good guy and Uther went on the wrong path when he threw Arthas into the maw.
What if the dreadlords live of another world soul??
WC3, WC3 TFT, WOTLK, one of Blizzard's most iconic characters. TuRnS oUt hE wAs a
BIG DeAL!1!!
And then the Angel Uther just proceeds to "GOODBYE, JOJO!" his body to the Maw 😂
So if Arthas was under his influence Sylvanas is too because she didn't like the Lich King but to join the Faction that did this to her... odd.
Can you imagine barely realizing that Arthas is a big deal ?
Korian s: Kind and benevolent guardians over souls.
Also Kirians: Kill him and let the Maw sort him out!!!
I just thinking of a game cinda like Darksiders or Dark souls. Ok this will maybe not make so much sense hehe. After Arthas is thrown into the Maw. He finds him selfe laying on Rocky ground with fire around. Then he comes to his senses and raises up. And say: "Looks like I got in the real mess this time. I will have to fight my way back up there. Im coming for you Jaina!" Then he has a sword and fights deamons and has dialogues with different characters in the Maw. Good and bad demons and people. And meet the Jailor that becomes the final boss near the end. hehe. X)
but the arbiter ... is an archon ... or did i hear that wrong ,,, bastion says after she finds out about uthers wounded soul ..." yes my archon .. not arbiter
Arthas made the franchise big. WOTLK was the peak of wow, of course he is a big deal.