Moving away from the Subaru EG33 Engine for something different.
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- It was not an easy call to pull the plug on this engine swap after everything we have been through. But sometimes enough is enough. After Sub 1K miles and 1 track day, the cylinder heads bit the dust. We had warped 22 of the valves, bent 2, and need to do another round of fully built heads to keep this car alive. Financially it doesn't make sense to keep trying to push an engine that is ripping itself part. While we were HARD on this car it is time to move to a new engine platform that is more modern, can take some power, and will last longer than this one has.
What we did was far from a waste as well. Doing this swap taught me more than any forum, online class or video could and I am grateful for that. But it's time to move on to blu V3 (Ver 1: EJ25, Ver 2: EG33 Ver 3: ?....)
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FA24 to inspire Subaru to bring back the STI by showing them what the max potential of that engine
Subaru wouldn’t bat an eye at anything we do 😅
I vote for this swap too. If you put a coyote engine in it you will negatively affect handling but it would make for a killer drag car.
Subaru doesn't need inspiration, they need compliance cars to hit fleet emissions targets.
If Vermont Sports Car’s VB rally car doesn’t inspire them, nothing will. Smeedia could, however, inspire many of US to go junk yard dive for FA24s though 😂
@@Smeediawouldn't exactly knock that back straight away. Marty from MCM with his STI swapped Levorg (now H6 swapped) actually got genuine STI parts supplied by Subaru off memory.
I am sad to see this project end. Because of the issues, I learned not to do it at our own shop as you could see that yours was done correctly but was still problematic. People don't realize at a shop labor rate how much this costs. I would like to see how you might do a max effort FA and how you might approach the lubrication issues. Keep up the good work!
someone pin this post! I would love to see a colab!!!! 😱
Have that thing everything could toss at it, for how much money still needs dumped into that thing it finally got to the breaking point.
Talking with some companies on some Fa24 stuff to see where the aftermarket is for some fueling buddies that I know we will run into. I did find out link ECU is supporting the FA24. So it’ll be nice to not only have to use a MOTEC on one
@@Smeedia you might want to watch our FA video and what we do to help oiling. Not sure if this is a cure though. No one has really pushed one of these engines yet.
Cough cough Andy Forst
Honestly... V8 would be dope... but I would LOVE to see the FA24 fully sent!
I’m so torn between both of em 😂 got a little time to decide still 😅
@Smeedia either way man... lol gonna be fun. If you want straight line, V8 twin turbo lol but if it's ever gonna see like a track with turns... FA24 showing signs of promise with good power on em lol it'll move... but if yiu want that 1,000... coyote I think best bet, and probably a LOT easier lol
@@mvp2000pjI mean the FA24 is an amazing engine but iBR and no one else is releasing port injection kit so we're out of fueling. Not to mention radium hasn't released a dual fuel hanger. I'm stuck at 550hp on my FA24 for that reason. 2JZ would be nice but it's a long engine and I don't know if it'll fit with the STI trans.
@@Smeediahaving a 2022 wrx at 350 hp is a blast and with some of the stuff coming out it’s sick. I believe IAG is working on a built motor. The coyote would also be awesome to see. IMO go with the fa24 if you want to keep it more a Subaru, but if that’s not a concern the v8 would still be great. It’s a win win either way
@@MrGsxrmemotec
in the H6 community. we love you
🫶🫶🫶 I did all I can 💔
[crying] I don't know you anymore! Anakin... you're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I can't follow!
ANAKIN IS GONE, I am what remains 😂
Same
Damn bud, I've been with you since before you put the FP Blue in that car. It lives on in my 06 STi with your killerB headers. Bader triggered your Vader villain arc.
Real talk, K swap.... I know a hondaru is nothing new, but you wanna talk about aftermarket support. Those Honda boys are hooked up like a tow truck.
@@rustyshackleford81I blame Josh for all of this 😂 I’m just not a Honda guy deep down 😅
@@Smeediawhat an epic response!
FA24 is more suited for the VA chassis than the alternative…it’s designed by Subaru, for the Subaru chassis so that would make the most sense and they make fantastic power stock block!
Twin turbo awd coyote for sure you will not be disappointed with power output and honesty the reliability of it
Brother, I seriously love your outlook and how you find the silver lining with these situations. As much money and frustration that this cost you, the knowledge you aquired is worth SO much more in my opinion. You became a wiring wizard with this thing! You made AMAZING content with this build, learned SO much, and had some damn good times with it. I can't wait to see what avenue you decide to take moving forward. As others have said, I would love a full send FA24 build!
The thing had taught me so much more than I thought I would ever know. Can’t be anything other than grateful about that 🫶 excited for what is to come 🥳
😂 man you’re really ringing it out… 9,500rpm! 😅 too bad it’s gone it sounded soooo good. FA24 keep it boxer baby :)
It just wanted to keep going 😂
Either one would be sick but I vote the FA24 build!
I'd go the FA24 and see how far you can take it. Gives the current gen WRX and BRZ/86 owners some inspiration and guidance on how far they can push their platform. And it's still in the subi family.
Sorry to see EG not work out for you. Much love from Oz mate ❤
There are some of us who will be posting our FA builds soon. And I think people will be surprised.
Looking into some 24 stuff to see if the aftermarket is there for it, for where I wanna go with one I have some digging to do
@@Smeedia Depending on the power you want to make, most of the parts are there. I was planning to do an FA24 swap into my WRX, but no one makes cranks for the power level we are shooting for. I had to stay with the FA20 to get a build that will support the power we will be making.
Just saw you on the iag newsletter about the new 2.3 destroker motor. Very happy to see how far you’re making it bro. I don’t care what engine you put in there I’ll continue to support you. As much as we love to see you push the build I hate to see you suffer the financial consequences. Can’t wait to see your build rip time and time again
YES FA24 balls to the wall STI! make the car SUBARU should have. Build out the FA24 from the BRZ GR86 it has port injection in addition to DI. Coyote is blasphemy in that chassis IMHO. I'd rather you do a corvette LS or LT vs coyote. Coyote weighs too much also mounting and transmission fitment will probably need major retrofitting/fabrication.. Porsche engine? Don't forget Anakin redeems himself LOL.
Go Coyote! Those engines are so capable! You got a lot more displacement to work with. Would be so awesome to see a Coyote swap!
Aww man, I became a member for the flat 6 D: been watching since the beginning. Big shame, but I understand your frustrations. Good luck on the next one!
We gave it all we could, but it'll be a relief to not have to stress about that engine anymore
I concur I watched the previous videos and wasn’t subscribed and truly only subscribed for the eg33 flat 6 videos. Literally FAs and Coyote engines all a dime a dozen on RUclips and the flat 6 was kinda your niche. From the wiring harness to finding that second used eg33 I felt so attached to this car and project no matter how many times it exploded 😂. Maybe try to contact those eg33 experts and see if they can give you more information to give it 1 last go. Proper valve materials, used dry sump that you can make work for it
You doing your best l, you know what's best for you/ channel. Way to Stay Positive throughout the Build.@@Smeedia
@@champ0682I just don’t have the money to keep tossing into these engines anymore lol dry sump we’re looking at around $10,000 minimum, for another sleeved and built engine that can take the power better another $14,000 to rebuild the heads again with new everything another $7,000 plus turbo and fueling changes another $10,000 it’s just not plausible to do. Thing is literally bleeding me dry 😅
Why not the EZ30R?
Idk. Its a Subaru man. Keep it in the family. Most of us came here for subaru videos. FA swap is the only option.
Couldn’t agree more
I recently got my dream car (2023 subaru wrx) about 2 weeks ago. and I can honestly say that the there was a huge influence was because of everything you did to yours. when i got mine you sold yours (talk about perfect timing), so if you would get a FA24, i can learn with you again and see what my car can really push. at the end of the day, its your decision. I lean FA24
You guided me on mine and I appreciate you
This was a great journey. Sad to see it go, but looking forward for blues future
Bigger things ahead 🎉
Hey man, you saw the project through to the end. I was with you from the beginning. Excited for the next chapter. Better things to come!
My votes on the Coyote. Its been fun watching the build series on the H6 but we understand it had its issues. Coyote is a good engine and different still.
Stoked to see what you put in it.
Honestly, if the engine just isn’t working the way you want it to then it makes total sense to ditch it and move on. As soon as I heard that you had bent the valves, I fully agreed.
It was still an awesome journey, I mean you found the absolute limits of the engine and then some. Can’t wait to see what’s next! (And coyote swap would be sick)
Fa24 swap!!!!! You'll have plenty of support! Plus there plenty of people that might want to do it. I don't think there's that many that'll want a cayote in their subies
What if everyone wants a Coyote in their WRX though?! 😅 lol haven’t decided yet bi think either option would be sweet though
@@Smeedia based on your comments, you already know what you want to do.
Not sure how well it'll fit though because of the coyotes dimensions. LS/LT is always an option that is more compact and definitely cheaper to go all out on. Odds are swap would be substantially easier than a coyote as well.
Either way, I'm here for it.
Would like to see the FA24, I've seen a lot of v8 builds lets stay different and push the limits with FA24 its what your good at
Coyote would be sick AF but I really want to see a built FA24 with STi running gear. Kind of the STi Subaru wouldn't build
It won’t make anywhere near as much power as a coyote though. If he wants 1000hp he shouldn’t put a 4 cylinder back into the car.
@@bryanribey Def not the way to go for a high HP drag build, just something I thought would be cool to see. But fair point, I guess the whole point of the big turbo EG was to build a HP monster.
I know @ThatDudeinBlue did a Coyote swapped S13 chassis. Could be an interesting collab and even for some info on getting it done. I think the AWD Coyote swap would be dope. The FA24 I think would be better for an already-FA-platformed car. I know anything you do will be dope! Best of luck, we'll all be watching!
EZ36. Keep it in the family!
Debated it but would feel
Like I’m doing the same thing twice again with a slightly different engine 😅
@@Smeedia it would have to be an EZ30, the 36 crank is only good for 8 psi. that said. i always wondered how hard it would be to add direct injection to the EZ30. that way you have D4S like the brz and V6 toyota camry engine.
EZ36 block with ez30 heads. Makes a 3.2L destroke. Do it do it
the major issue with the EZ engine is a very weak crankshaft
FA24 keep it Scoobie
I agree with alot of people that have commented with a fa24 swap. But as far as modern engine and easy plug and play, coyote would be the win. But a twin turbo coyote awd would nuts! I got rid of my 16 wrx making 376whp and jumped into a 16 f150 5.0l. The potential of these engines are still not capped yet so. I believe as a creator the coyote would be the way to go as far as potential to grow. Keep doing the great content bud ive been watching for years and owe you a thanks for teaching me alot on my 16 wrx. Cant wait to see what you choose.
Bro the FA24 big balls sounds great 😂😂 No one yet has found its true limit from what I've heard... Just curious about the RTV.
I want to see the FA24 as VA owner. I think channel growth will also be highest with that engine as it’s fairly new compared to a RB or 2JZ. Go Smeedia go!!
sucks a bit dude, but keep at it! the TT coyote sounds like a fun next project! A built fa24 would be cool, but i feel like blue needs something more special. good luck and cant wait to see what you do!
Kinda feeling similar about it, a TT AWD 5.0 STI would be wild 😅
Awd drive 5.0 for the win
I would go with FA24. The FA24 has a lot of potential. And with an STI transmission and tune, you are going to be the fastest FA in the world.
Sleeved, closed deck, EZ32 destroke. Keep it Subaru and keep it H6. I’ll build you a turbo kit and I’m making intake manifolds for them now
Also would like to see an fa24. You'd probably be one of the first to do an sti with one.
The only benefit you can get from what happened with EG33 is everything you learned, and that is sometimes priceless. In Spanish we have a saying that says that only those who do not take risks do not win.
That is so true, since the EG was so old and we had to DIY so much I feel like it was a good swap even from everything we’ve just learned from doing it 🫡
My vote is definitely FA24. I’ve always said if my FA20 blows, that’s what I would want to try. Would love it if you paved the way for us!
I do not blame you.. I would think about a top notch ej257...
I thought about tossing an EJ back into it 😅
Everyone is leaning towards FA24 because it's a Subaru or because they have an FA24. Personally for you Tanner, I think the TT Coyote swap is what's best. You'll always be in the boxer game with other cars like the GC or customers cars. Blu is all about learning. Bonding over that experience and being unique. Trying a new platform will grow your skill, knowledge, and ultimately your channel. Either way Ik it's gonna be awesome and I can't wait for you to fall back in love with Blu again! Keep pushing Tanner, love your content! 🤙
My vote is for the FA24 - keep it in the family and keep cashing in on your time with the boxer platform.
But that's not to say you shouldn't keep a coyote in your back pocket for an awesome backup plan... 😉
I can truly appreciate your efforts swapping the EG33 but I would rather see you enjoy your 2017 WRX STi by swapping in an EJ257 or FA24F
FA24 plz lets see the true potential of the new platform!!! I love subie content.
Someone else will do that in the new chassis within the next few years you likely will not see a coyote swap into any Subaru
Ppl are already putting sti 6 speed in a vb wrx. The coyote swap would be way more unique honestly.
you have always been the subi-man to me, learnt a lot from your videos so to keep the spirit i would love to see the FA24... a coyote would definetly be cool, but... i think it wouldn't feel right on this channel
Fa24 i would love to see that pushed to limits . Im glad you are looking at stuff an a positive way. Cause alot of us learned so much from following along .
Coyote has my vote because you've already got the eyes of every flat 4 fan or a large majority. You can keep them with your many wrx and sti builds I think a v8 build would open you to new eyes and maybe have them take a look at what subaru community has to offer and how far these lil flat 4s can go when done right. Also, uniqueness for a car that already has sentimental value for you BUT there is already a wealth of knowledge for that 5.0 so you will obviously have some fab going on but not literally having to single handedly fund r&d like you did with the eg.
bummer to hear the flat6 was so unique. regardless always excited for the next platform 🦾
Definitely was not an easy call for me to make to pull the plug on it. 🫠
As much of a Subaru lover that I am, I would love to see you give a bit of a finger to Subaru to prove that they can bring something great back with the FA24. That Coyote swap though............. would be nothing but awesome. :)
FA24 full send would be super fun and helpful to the Subaru community, too! (V8 does sound pretty cool)
LS Swap. : )
It’s been cool watching the progression of you and this car. Can’t wait to see where you and it goes next.
I'll ship you one of the W8 engines I got sitting in my garage if you want another engineering project 😁
As cool as an FA24 swap would be, a feel like an AWD Coyote swap would be more what you're after.
Honestly, you were doing engine engineering on a very slim budget. I've been impressed with how little went wrong with this attempt the whole way through.
Made it pretty far for what we had to work with and DIYing all of it 😅 I’m so torn on which engine I wanna do. I think both would be cool to do. W8 would be wild 😂
Coyote engine would be a real beast to fit. Good luck with whatever you choose.
I likevthe Fa24 ballz idea. Im finally getting a new car, and that new car is 2024 WRX TR.
After seeing thatdudeinblue struggle with his 5.0 swap on a 240 I feel like you’re just gonna fight another high level boss trying to do that on an sti. I say FA24
FA24 with a gnarly rally anti-lag set up would make a sweet autocross/time attack/drag car imo, vs the V8 which would be sick but wouldn't be nimble enough to do anything other than drag with such a heavy front end
You learned a ton & so did we. Your decision seems sound. The knowledge & experience you gained is like a PhD in performance engineering. I like the FA24 idea.
Gotta be the FA24. It retains the 'spirit' of the car in a sense. Also, I feel like Coyote swaps are a little overdone. But primarily I feel like a v8 would lose the character of the car.
The coyote would be sooo sick dude
Thing would be spicy AF 😅
FA24 full send!!! So I can follow the build for my BRz!🤣🤣 I was really hoping to see you go the porsche flat 6 swap, but a FA24 full send would be amazing!
FA24 to keep it SUBI. But I’ll watch either way.
I’m torn between the two of em right now 😅
@@Smeediafeel like the coyote would be more reliable then the 24 but who knows and it would sound sick af and all wheel drive donuts…. I mean what’s better than that..
Wise choice my friend.
Please for the love of god, do the FA24. The one that Subaru was supposed to put in the STI before they canned it. Please please please. Then send that video to Subaru and tell them to get their head out of their ass!
It’s one of the two on my list 👀👀👀
@@Smeedia listen, we both know you’re a Subaru fan boy. Quit playing with my emotions. Also can you call Cobb and tell them to put out a tune for my 22 OBXT? I know you’ve got the hook up.
You’re making the right decision (speaking as someone who’s almost ready to put a fully built EG33 back into its SVX). I am very, very interested in working with you to figure out a fair price for the engine management, harness, header, intake, TB, coils, and fuel system. Oh, and Coyote all day long - just not sure it you’re going to have room in the engine bay without chopping the wheelwells up. Peace!
Shoot me an email 🫡
Tannerwrx525@gmail.com
I absolutely love the EG33 but my god that thing was bleeding my dry 😅
I understand but, how about those who makes 800+WHP on 4 cylinders, what do they do to the engine to make this work, and can't this also be done on an EG33?
One of the main issues is the oil system. For the 4 cysts the oil pumps can easy supply enough pressure for the whole engine. With having more bearings to supply oil to it can’t keep up.
There’s more valve train options as well for EJ stuff unless we start spending big big money on the EG heads
FA24 with a compound turbo swap, one in the FA location, one in the EJ location up in the engine bay.
About time, sorry to say. You tried more than most Tanner.
I gave it everything I could 🫡
😭 I hate to see it bro! You’ve come SO far with the big engine that couldn’t! It’s been a great deal of enjoyment watching Blue morph into each new iteration and you teaching us while learning yourself.
Between FA24 and TT Coyote, it’s the Coyote all day for me! That would be fking NASTY! If not Coyote, my personal choice would be to beat Josh’s dyno record with a hella built EJ257!
Even as you stray further from Subaru/EJ content, I still enjoy every video and look forward to them. Still keeping me going while I wait on my shitbox to get out of the shop. I appreciate all you do for us Tanner! Looking forward to the next build 🫡
It's the right move brother. You've shown more resilience and dedication than 99% of gearheads _ever_ would on a project like this! Can't wait to see Blu 3.0
I gave it what I could, we made it pretty far 🫡🔥
Or blue 5.0 😏
Keep it true to blue and the subaru. Build the sti that subaru wont build for us. FA24!
AWD twin turbo Coyote would be insane. You need to make this completely different from everything else out there. A honda swapped wrx will still just sound like a modded Subaru being a 4 cylinder. It will expose the channel to a whole new audience as well as a lot of diehard v8 fans will be interested I'm sure.
I’m thinking the same thing with that, it would help to expand a bit. And it would be an absolutely wild car!
No and you'll close a door on your base
Don't take the cheap path, you never have
Sucks to hear man! It was still awesome to see the build for what it was. I’m sure that you’ve learned a lot from it, so it’s not a total loss. I’d say swap an FA24 in it. Paired with the STI six speed, it would be an absolute monster 🤙🏾
Man this is the build that made me into a channel member :(
We have her all we could 💔🥲
I would go FA24. I want to see people make big power out of a new engine.
Go for the Coyote, any other engine would be a compromise.
AWD 5.0 would be a nasty unit 😅
Except LSX
DAMN... I didn't see that coming 😭 However it's understandable given the issues you've faced. That being said, the FA24 would be so sick!! I came to your channel in anticipation of the 2022 BRZ/GR86 build and I was bummed when that didn't pan out. I think it would incredibly interesting to see how far you can push the FA24 being such new platform.
If there is a known path on how to do it, Coyote. No contest.
I have a solid plan to make one work 👀
@@Smeedia I wish I could do that to my STI. I can’t wait to see it.
I'd love to see the sti transmission handle some small block v8 power, I've also always liked the Coyote powerband, for a v8, it's pretty good, and sounds great too.
well, it was dope while it lasted. such a unique cool build. you should be proud man
Gave her all I could, we took that thing pretty far for DIYing all of it 🔥
So excited for whatever you end up doing. imo I would love to see an awd JZ or RB
Keep it up
Always appreciate the support Joe 🫶
Go with the fa24 it’s a great engine from Subaru if you put a v8 coyote it will be like a ford basically no longer an STI
TT 5.0 coyote with the STI AWD would be sick!
Thing would be rowdy AF 😅
I love BOTH of these options!!! Let’s go!
Fuck it. AMG V8 into the STI we go. 🤣
Full fooking send right there 😂
I sulute you for pushing with it this far with all the issues you were facing. Great lessons documented there. There no shame in pulling the plug.
As for the next engine it all depends what you want to do with the car. 5L coyote TT would make a killer drag car but wont have good handling on track as it will be front heavy. FA24 would be more suited with track use. I prefer track cars as i find going straight boring..... none of the less both builts will male great content.
Coyote swap would be wild. I’d love to see that happen!
Thing would be gnarly 🔥👀
Turn the power down to just have a streetable car, 600-650HP is more than adequate for a casual driver, Subaru engines can't handle 50 pounds of boost, I don't care what anyone says as I've had Subaru's since I was 16 and I'm 37 now, Subaru never designed these engines for this, Subarus have such a bad rap because of things like this, Keep the oil full and a conservative tune and it will be fine, Not sure about Bator but all the vehicles I see on that dyno in his garage with you and Devin the cars all have massive issues afterward, These problems should be picked up during the tuning process especially a situation like valve float, sheared timing gears, not a good situation as every dyno run costs thousands of dollars afterward.
It’s not as easy as just put it back together and turn it down anymore, the heads require roughly 3.5-4K to be rebuilt again. I agree that 50 lbs and 9500 rpm may have been overkill, but when you spend a long time putting something together and working out the kinks ya wanna see what it’ll do. I’ve had Josh tune all my Subarus and none have really had any issues at all after tuning with exception of the 6. But those issues were not a result of Josh. Broken cams, flywheels coming undone etc
I’m just saying a twin charged awd coyote swap sounds like a wild ride 🤷♂️
PLEAASSEEEE DO THE FA24 SWAP! I’m dying to see the potential of that motor from start to finish in a VA chassis!
Waiting to hear back from some companies on upcoming product dev for it 👀
Big ball trails in the sand by Richard tanner draggins motor LETS GOO!!!
It would still be cool if you built a H6 subaru sometime. Not to fully go to the moon, but make a bit of power. It's still very understandable to get tired of it continually breaking.
TT Coyote would be crazy, that's a lot of width in the engine bay, probably be painful to work on but I feel like you'd end up regretting an FA24 in Blue. 4.0 Lt Turbo Barra (Ford Australia) inline 6 would be insane but depth and length would probably be problematic.
Fa24 is my pick. V8 swap would be sick but coyote swaps are nothing new, Fa24 swaps however are completely new and you could really pioneer finding what the Fa24 is capable of. Way more interesting imo. Also keeps the Subaru purity 👍🏼
FA24 all day!!! Pave the way for the rest of us.
FA is still a Subaru motor but for drag racing would love that v8 twin turbo awd
Good experience. Thanks brother.
I think it’s amazing you found the limit of the eg33 but you want bigger I’m voting v8 all the way
Do an EZ30 swap ! They're very common over here in Australia.
As much as I’d love the FA24…. I can’t say I’d be disappointed with a twin turbo coyote swap!
I love your builds and the journey. Thanks for sharing. Can we donate to help you on your way? If everyone donated a few dollars it may ease the pain. My vote, fix the current engine and sort out the now proven problems and rev limit it to something safe (7,500 ?) . You are close.. and a very rare setup.
1lowrx did so much so swap, he made 3 swap 2jz in a subaru sti. He put a v12 Century in WRX STI. Now he's making a coyote swap in a WRX STI. What next he's gonna do haha
Right, dude is wild with the swaps 😅
TDI swap! Make blue roll coal!! Idk, I THINK A EJ257 would be my pick at this point . You know you can have it 1000+awhp and still have fun!
Long travel and Coyote swap that new Tacoma
Turn this thing into a diesel would be sick 😂 I debated going to an EJ again but I want to keep this thing challenging me. 👀