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I think what’s even funnier about Travis’s surprise with Abu is (as revealed in CoolDown) that they literally had dinner together the day before and Abu said nothing 😂
I hope the second god wanting to leave is Asmodeus: he might aim to "reunite the family" as said over and over in Downfall. Also, everything happening from now on will be epic: Fearne hosting Predathos, or a new calamity befalling on armies of good and evil, gods fighting agains each other, Vox Machina and Mighty Nein back into the scene... finally C3 picked up in intensity!
I doubt it. He's too proud. He'd rather wipe out all Exandrians. In ascending order of likelihood (of the ones we know): Wildmother, Pellor, Matron, Sarenrae, Lawbearer, Changebringer.
Also I will never understand those that say C3 is too slow. Campaign 2 spent 112 episodes fucking around doing nothing - no big arcs, nothing that impacted anything. The closest they had was the king in irons, which amounted to a whole lot of nothing. C3 has been laser focused on one storyline since the very start. And the pace has been steady breakneck since they left for Bassuras the first time.
My guess is that Bell's Hells will go ahead with Vasselheim/Kiki's plan but with the knowledge that if they can't stop Ludinus, they will hijack the operation by Fearne or Imogen becoming the vessel.
I felt like Ashley really wanted Fearne to escape with the Sorrowlord. It seems like Laura also regretted attacking him before knowing Fearne's plan. It would've been really interesting if she went with him, and I was kinda hoping they would escape when Braius tried to help her onto Gloamglut.
I think that the second god down with the Arch Heart's plan might be the Lawberer, it makes less sense than one of the betrayer gods as they are the ones that wanted to leave in the first place BUT since the plan doesnt involve death to all mortals nor death to other primes it pushes me to think that it may be another prime. Then again the betrayers arent all dark and bad so yeah, those were my thoughts
That makes the most sense to me as well and might explain why they are still secret knowing that this is in direct conflict with the wild mother as well (so probably why she doesn't want to speak up)
As an extra point, spoiler downfall warning. The Lawberer didn't come to Downfall, they sent a representative. As the Lawberer felt, law should not pick side, so to join personally would be against the laws purpose. We could extrapolate that further to say, in the argument of "kill the gods, or save the gods". The closest you could get to being "neutral" would be to leave. If you leave, the gods don't die, and you don't cause a calamity. You negate both sides demands. Kind of like when someone is in a group removes themselves from an argument when they are not as informed. It is just choosing the closest to neutral option as possible, is to just leave.
I understand the psychic lance, but I also think Laura jumped in too quickly when she could have let Ashley finish what she was doing. In the end its all good, but I do think it is important for confident/vocal players to keep an eye out for when quieter players are trying to have a moment. Its easy to steam roll over them without meaning to!
The Arch Heart seemed pretty adamant about he fact, that if they dont free Predatos themselves before anyone suspects, it would definitely lead to another calamity. I would assume this is a pretty definite reason to do it. Sure they might be wrong, I think the Idea came from Abubakar, but I wander if mat is planning to end with something that will remove the gods and the players just choose the way.
@@tomatensalat7420 yeah he was adamant but Melora also told Orym they must fight. They have to choose who to trust. It’s going to create a lot of great conflict because Orym is committed to the Wildmother while Dorian and Ashton hate the gods and are more than happy to have them fuck off
I think it also leads to what Matt has been telling us all campaign; The world is Dynamic not Static. Things will happen plans are made, unless the party imposes their will on the world. Also being very clear, there is a timer for the party to choose what to do. What plan to follow!
I'm pretty sure the lawbearer mentioned something about wanting to leave at the end of downfall when in their full godhood. Not wanting to choose between their loyalties to both the gods and mortals. not sure tho, gonna rewatch it lol
Is there any chance it's not the Archheart? That it is actually Asmodeus pretending to be the Archheart and the interaction with Braius is Asmodeus actually telling Braius to do what he asks, like what Sam said (the "if Asmodeus tells me to do it. I will" part, paraphrased)
my guess for who is the other god that wanted to leave is either Ioun or Erathis both goddesses that see things more objectively and with less emotions involved than the others...OR Avandra The Change Bringer, as her nature for change may make her more open to that kind of change 😌
I think the second god is the Everlight. She was so devastated by what happened during the events of Downfall that I don't think she would want that to happen again. She would rather leave forever than see her children hurt again.
I still think the Matron of Ravens came to be because she was meant to. For all that there's anger over some "mortal" rising to take over the position of the Death God, when I think back to Downfall, she was meant to be the one to rise up and replace that escaped Being. So it makes all her push to be who she is all the more interesting, though I'm surprised she's not more involved in things. Also, Laudna... next Champion of the Raven Queen? Maybe she releases Vax from service? (not sure if he's been released by now from the stasis he's in or not). I mean it is kind'a cheesy but it'd be a hell of an event.
"Ludinus is right yet his execution is wrong. but have you notice how everything's going to shit? well, what if y'all take advantage, go ahead and do ludinus plan without him knowing?" the Arch Heart, simplified.
I like how the question was "will" they and not "should" they attempt the ArchHeart's plan. Curious if the responses would differ? We also found out this session that the gods are divided about whether to go full Calamity 2 so I'm curious who's on what side there as well...
@Luboffin I think the other God on board with the Arch Heart's plan and desire to leave Exandria is The Raven Queen and here's why. The first and most direct piece of evidence to support this is the fact that The Raven Queen is the only other God that Abubakar roleplayed aside from the Arch Heart. He said there were two, including himself, that were on board to leave and he roleplayed exactly two Gods as the interim DM. That's a huge flag for me. The second is because I disagree with your reasoning for why she wouldn't be on board. You said that The Raven Queen, as portrayed by Laura Bailey, would never be on board with this idea and, in fact, was antagonistic toward the idea during Downfall. That is true, but consider how much time has passed between Downfall and Present Day and also consider who she's been observing and conversating with for the last 30 years. That's right Vax'ildan, her current Champion. Vax's entire character arc with The Raven Queen in Vox Machina was for him to accept death as a part of life. It would be rather hypocritical of The Raven Queen to convince Vax of this fact while not believing in it herself. I believe that The Raven Queen, at the time of Downfall, was in an "us or them" mindset. She had recently survived The Calamity so, being the God of Death, she really wasn't in the mindset to be willing to "go quietly into the night." But now? After having witnessed the death of her previous Champion, convincing her new and current Champion that death is merely a part of life, and conversating with and learning about her current Champion? I believe she is in a far different headspace now than in Downfall and would readily accept departure from Exandria. And the third is because Abubakar had The Raven Queen reach out to Laudna. I believe The Raven Queen did that because she is, in fact, preparing to leave. There are two loose ends that The Raven Queen needs to tie up before leaving. One is the retrieval of her Champion, Vax'ildan, which I believe WILL happen before the end of Campaign 3. But the other is the one blight on life, the one undead piece of crap, that has continuously evaded her Threads of Fate: Delilah Briarwood. And conveniently, Delilah is tethered to Laudna. If The Raven Queen gets Laudna, she gets Delilah and there's nothing Delilah can do about it because she goes where Laudna goes. I think The Raven Queen is going to offer Laudna a deal: "Let me take Delilah and you will be rid of her forever. I will restore your life and I will take Delilah's place as your Patron for the rest of your mission until I leave with my family. Do this and I will only have one more request for you: Rescue my Champion. Rescue Vax'ildan." I think Laudna is going to shift from being a Warlock of Undeath to a Warlock of Death and thus a Second Champion of The Raven Queen. And I think The Raven Queen is going to drag Delilah, kicking and screaming, to where she should have been since the end of the Briarwood Arc: To The Afterlife. And if this is the case, I can see Laudna receiving a Vestige of Divergence from The Raven Queen. I think it would be poetic if a Champion of The Raven Queen is needed to rescue a Champion of The Raven Queen. And I think it would be rather appropriate if the only other God on board with "dying" is Death Itself. Think about it. The two Gods who think this is a good idea are the Gods of Beauty and Death. And for The God of Death, there is nothing more beautiful than Death "for it brings meaning to life." And I would think that, by this time, The Raven Queen has realized that even her "death" will bring meaning to life; specifically the lives of Exandrians.
Right or wrong you have provided an excellently presented speculation. The most compelling factor here is that The Raven Queen presented herself, we assume alongside or at least in the presence of The ArchHeart, and thus would know of their desire to leave. Seems reasonable that the Raven Queen is therefore the other God that has expressed a desire to leave. Maybe ascending and having to watch/guide all those souls is not as fun as she'd hoped for and indeed would like to experience the infinite. My other contender is the LawBearer considering their thoughts during the Downfall episodes, basically not wanting to have to take sides anymore.
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I figured the other god was the Law Bearer. After Downfall showed that they were conflicted on not breaking their vows to help, and then proposing the Diving Gate as a compromise, they may now see leaving as the only viable option to still protect their family without turning on humanity.
I have heard a theory a while ago. I don't remember when or where that there's a chance that Vox machina Mighty Nein and Bells Hells would fill in the vacuum of the gods. I don't know if that's what will happen but its cool to think about what would fill in that power vacuum
I've made comments on Tumblr about this possibility. If the current deities each chose a single champion as an heir, then several of these level 20 heroes could essentially be taken off of the board in future campaigns. Why send a bunch of low level adventurers against a major threat when there's that many level 20s who've proven they'll fight the big bads? It's basically the whole, "Why not just call the Avengers?" issue in the Marvel universe. Let the Arch Heart and the Matron of Ravens adapt her rituals of ascension and raise these heroes into constellations in the skies, empowering those of a religious nature and keeping an ever vigilant watch over the lands they've fought so long and hard to protect. They'll exist in a realm outside of the divine gate, able to simultaneously split their attention between their constellations and the eternal rest they've earned. This will allow deities who've known the struggles of mortal life and who were born on Exandria to protect their home while letting outsider gods (and their IP restrictions) leave. When a mortal soul dies on Exandria, it returns to the cycle of rebirth that existed before unless, when brought before the new master of death, they request to join the gods. If their request is pure and approved, they are welcomed there for as many cycles as they wish, with the option to return their soul to the Exandrian cycle at any time.
I think the other god that is siding with the Archheart is either the Changebringer or the Knowing Mistress. For the Changebringer, that kind of thinking just fits her overall vibe, and as for the Knowing Miatress, she is still injured from the Calamity, she probably doesn't have much fight in her anymore. Against Predathos, she is the wounded gazelle that the lions single out and eat first.
i kinda want the other god who's on board with the archheart to be the lord of lies; but i also think it being a Prime (lawbearer or platinum dragon) would be thematically appropriate too, with how _betrayed_ ol' assie would feel after he burnt so much of himself away in escaping the hunger the first time.
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I want Campaign 4 to start off with the funeral of the Voice of the Tempest. 1000 years after the events of campaign 1. The world would be very different - a more Victorian/industrial age. One where science and magic coexist. And the gods have passed into the realm of legend. Few remember them. Fewer still worship them.
Personally, I think the second god who is ready to leave is the Dawnfather. We saw how he hardened his heart and, in a way, put aside the naive hope of Ayden as he began to accept the possibility that his presence in Exandria was actively harming his children. He's been wrestling with this for centuries even up to current day when he commanded Deanna to strike down the arrogant mortals who wished to release Predathos or lose the gifts he had granted her as a Cleric. Then he was disappointed when she said she wasn't going to argue with him, wishing she'd go into this with a conviction of faith rather than seeing it as a reason-based transaction. I could see him coming to look at the commandments he demands of his followers and slowly looking inward to see if he has been leading by example. A second Calamity-level event, that would have to extend far further than a single floating city to destroy all knowledge of Predathos if Ludinus broadcasts it everywhere, would be a difficult thing for one to rationalize against his tenets. Plus, it would allow for another Downfall cameo that wouldn't require a main cast member to slip into their deity's headspace at the same time as their main character. The Lawbearer is a harder sell as well because they know the deals that the deities made and wouldn't be willing to break them so easily. (and side, funny note - Travis yelped that much at the fly zapper/swatter only for it to *spoilers* NOT EVEN KILL THE FLY LATER! Therefore, fly = tougher than Travis, lol!)
I mentioned this before but The Matrine did try to reach Imogen at the grave w/ Ravens squawking at her but Laura said NOPE. Another crazy idea is The Matetrine wants Imogen* to be her Champion or at least follower ? And The Matrine is willing enlist Launda 1st to get Imogen* to protect Launda. I think The Matetrine might offer Launda something or a favor which might have a double stipulation or bargin ? But It's going to ensare Imogen The Matrine's Prime target.
I feel like it’s going to be Lolth that is the other god with how everything went with the crown keepers. What an interesting web that would weave. But between how Opal was made champion and what was said in those episodes made me feel like there was going to be more to that story. But with Orym representing the Wildmother, Braius representing the Lord of the Hells, Imogen now dawning a relic of the red moon from the arch and Laudna being told by the Raven queen to seek her out. Just makes me wonder if anyone else will become a champion of a God or get another relic of the red moon. Also makes me wonder if they’re gonna tie in any more of those deities involved in downfall.
I wonder if the gods will leave and than we will pick up with them starting the new world of dagger heart for the next campaign, it would be a good bridge
I for one am glad Fearne didn't go with Zathuda. I mean he tried to kill her and replace her with an evil twin for gods sakes, he's not a good dude! I feel her taking that choice also came out of nowhere, hens why everyone so shocked. I know Fearne is supposed to be a chaotic character, I just felt it came out of left field.
given the events in Downfall I wondered if the other god on board is actually the Lawbearer. And maybe its just wishful thinking because I so wish we could get Noshir on as a DM in a similar situation as to what happened with Corellon.
I think the new plan would be a terrible idea. I think we are seeing the skism 2 electric boogaloo and this is betrayer 2.0. I dont think the arch heart is correct that the other gods will just run rather than fight. I still don't think predathos wont also eat mortals. I think this is probably just another "yo you guys should probably get on with it"
I just wonder what the Arch Hearts plan is after they run? I mean, if they run, won't they be running away from Predathos forever? I dont know about yall but that dosent sound like a good time or a life living on the run doesn't seem like a thing that too many of the gods would want anyway.
Very easy for Dorian to agree with the Arch Heart's scheme when he's not the one who would actually have to make the sacrifice of becoming a vessel for predathos
If this is true, then, at the reveal, I want Brennan to storm into the room and present Abu with a cease and desist order regarding stealing his character, lol!
@@Dunybrook They talked about how it all happened in the Cooldown on Beacon. It’s definitely the Arch Heart, and I honestly don’t think they would have done what they did in the episode if it was some kind of deceit. Too much work to sell the bit.
Ok , I'm going to talk crazy but just heard me out ? Ok this is going to link back to Travis wanting Imogen to give into Predothos* or Travis and Laura's Car Rides Home where Laura has confirmed Travis wants Imogen to take her Dark Power from The Red Moon even if there's no going back ? Travis wants Imogen to walk into The Storm. Back to Ferne n Chet Travis and Ashley had a Plan , I think inbetween games* But Ashley being Ferne technically Ashleybeing Ashley* Ashley forgot at The Table. But The Plan was Ferne joins Sorrow Lord as a Spy* but also gains trust and knowledge from The Sorrow Lord to put Ashley right next to where The Heroes need to get and Ferne will be The Bomb the Heroes need once everyone is ready to fight the final battle or Biggest Battle w/ Armies ? Ferne could get close to Imogen's Mom and help her too so Ferne and Imogen's Mom can work together as Spies or get Liliana ? Out safe during The Fight or right before threw the secret portal ? There is an angle w/ Ferne she can get close and be in danger but then Ferne gets plans and intel for her allies and links in Liliana* to stragizegetting innocent out of to safe location so the fight is clean.
I think the second god is the Lawberer or Sereanre( pike's god). From Downfall they are probably the most willing to leave Exandria. I guess it's one of the gods of Downfall. We already know which ones it can't be. Not the Wildmother, or the Spider Queen, and Pelor ( forgot his name). I don't think his a betrayer nether.
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I think what’s even funnier about Travis’s surprise with Abu is (as revealed in CoolDown) that they literally had dinner together the day before and Abu said nothing 😂
Abu embodied the ArchHeart so much he started calling the ArchHeart's actions as his.
That was wild and i loved that
I hope the second god wanting to leave is Asmodeus: he might aim to "reunite the family" as said over and over in Downfall.
Also, everything happening from now on will be epic: Fearne hosting Predathos, or a new calamity befalling on armies of good and evil, gods fighting agains each other, Vox Machina and Mighty Nein back into the scene... finally C3 picked up in intensity!
I doubt it. He's too proud. He'd rather wipe out all Exandrians. In ascending order of likelihood (of the ones we know): Wildmother, Pellor, Matron, Sarenrae, Lawbearer, Changebringer.
Also I will never understand those that say C3 is too slow. Campaign 2 spent 112 episodes fucking around doing nothing - no big arcs, nothing that impacted anything. The closest they had was the king in irons, which amounted to a whole lot of nothing. C3 has been laser focused on one storyline since the very start. And the pace has been steady breakneck since they left for Bassuras the first time.
My guess is that Bell's Hells will go ahead with Vasselheim/Kiki's plan but with the knowledge that if they can't stop Ludinus, they will hijack the operation by Fearne or Imogen becoming the vessel.
I just want to hear him talk all day... Read me any book... Math book, anything... Newspaper. His voice is lovely
I felt like Ashley really wanted Fearne to escape with the Sorrowlord. It seems like Laura also regretted attacking him before knowing Fearne's plan. It would've been really interesting if she went with him, and I was kinda hoping they would escape when Braius tried to help her onto Gloamglut.
I got the feeling she was needing a reason for a break like when she dipped for blindspot etc
I think that the second god down with the Arch Heart's plan might be the Lawberer, it makes less sense than one of the betrayer gods as they are the ones that wanted to leave in the first place BUT since the plan doesnt involve death to all mortals nor death to other primes it pushes me to think that it may be another prime. Then again the betrayers arent all dark and bad so yeah, those were my thoughts
That makes the most sense to me as well and might explain why they are still secret knowing that this is in direct conflict with the wild mother as well (so probably why she doesn't want to speak up)
As an extra point, spoiler downfall warning. The Lawberer didn't come to Downfall, they sent a representative. As the Lawberer felt, law should not pick side, so to join personally would be against the laws purpose.
We could extrapolate that further to say, in the argument of "kill the gods, or save the gods". The closest you could get to being "neutral" would be to leave. If you leave, the gods don't die, and you don't cause a calamity. You negate both sides demands. Kind of like when someone is in a group removes themselves from an argument when they are not as informed.
It is just choosing the closest to neutral option as possible, is to just leave.
I understand the psychic lance, but I also think Laura jumped in too quickly when she could have let Ashley finish what she was doing. In the end its all good, but I do think it is important for confident/vocal players to keep an eye out for when quieter players are trying to have a moment. Its easy to steam roll over them without meaning to!
The Arch Heart seemed pretty adamant about he fact, that if they dont free Predatos themselves before anyone suspects, it would definitely lead to another calamity. I would assume this is a pretty definite reason to do it. Sure they might be wrong, I think the Idea came from Abubakar, but I wander if mat is planning to end with something that will remove the gods and the players just choose the way.
@@tomatensalat7420 yeah he was adamant but Melora also told Orym they must fight. They have to choose who to trust. It’s going to create a lot of great conflict because Orym is committed to the Wildmother while Dorian and Ashton hate the gods and are more than happy to have them fuck off
I think it also leads to what Matt has been telling us all campaign; The world is Dynamic not Static.
Things will happen plans are made, unless the party imposes their will on the world. Also being very clear, there is a timer for the party to choose what to do. What plan to follow!
I'm pretty sure the lawbearer mentioned something about wanting to leave at the end of downfall when in their full godhood. Not wanting to choose between their loyalties to both the gods and mortals. not sure tho, gonna rewatch it lol
Oh my gosh what a freakin’ twist!!! It seems so open on how this campaign is going to wrap up!
Is there any chance it's not the Archheart? That it is actually Asmodeus pretending to be the Archheart and the interaction with Braius is Asmodeus actually telling Braius to do what he asks, like what Sam said (the "if Asmodeus tells me to do it. I will" part, paraphrased)
my guess for who is the other god that wanted to leave is either Ioun or Erathis both goddesses that see things more objectively and with less emotions involved than the others...OR Avandra The Change Bringer, as her nature for change may make her more open to that kind of change 😌
I think the second god is the Everlight. She was so devastated by what happened during the events of Downfall that I don't think she would want that to happen again. She would rather leave forever than see her children hurt again.
That was my first thought
@@Thinkingmakesitso. I think the same thing.
I still think the Matron of Ravens came to be because she was meant to. For all that there's anger over some "mortal" rising to take over the position of the Death God, when I think back to Downfall, she was meant to be the one to rise up and replace that escaped Being. So it makes all her push to be who she is all the more interesting, though I'm surprised she's not more involved in things.
Also, Laudna... next Champion of the Raven Queen? Maybe she releases Vax from service? (not sure if he's been released by now from the stasis he's in or not). I mean it is kind'a cheesy but it'd be a hell of an event.
Or Laudna gets a gift - whatever Matt's calling the present day vestiges.
"Ludinus is right yet his execution is wrong. but have you notice how everything's going to shit? well, what if y'all take advantage, go ahead and do ludinus plan without him knowing?" the Arch Heart, simplified.
Ashley "Finally I can progress my character!"
The rest of the cast "But how about no?"
I like how the question was "will" they and not "should" they attempt the ArchHeart's plan. Curious if the responses would differ? We also found out this session that the gods are divided about whether to go full Calamity 2 so I'm curious who's on what side there as well...
I feel this episode to adding to my theory that this will be a reset of Exandria without Gods and then use Daggerheart as the gaming system.
@Luboffin
I think the other God on board with the Arch Heart's plan and desire to leave Exandria is The Raven Queen and here's why. The first and most direct piece of evidence to support this is the fact that The Raven Queen is the only other God that Abubakar roleplayed aside from the Arch Heart. He said there were two, including himself, that were on board to leave and he roleplayed exactly two Gods as the interim DM. That's a huge flag for me.
The second is because I disagree with your reasoning for why she wouldn't be on board. You said that The Raven Queen, as portrayed by Laura Bailey, would never be on board with this idea and, in fact, was antagonistic toward the idea during Downfall. That is true, but consider how much time has passed between Downfall and Present Day and also consider who she's been observing and conversating with for the last 30 years. That's right Vax'ildan, her current Champion. Vax's entire character arc with The Raven Queen in Vox Machina was for him to accept death as a part of life. It would be rather hypocritical of The Raven Queen to convince Vax of this fact while not believing in it herself. I believe that The Raven Queen, at the time of Downfall, was in an "us or them" mindset. She had recently survived The Calamity so, being the God of Death, she really wasn't in the mindset to be willing to "go quietly into the night." But now? After having witnessed the death of her previous Champion, convincing her new and current Champion that death is merely a part of life, and conversating with and learning about her current Champion? I believe she is in a far different headspace now than in Downfall and would readily accept departure from Exandria.
And the third is because Abubakar had The Raven Queen reach out to Laudna. I believe The Raven Queen did that because she is, in fact, preparing to leave. There are two loose ends that The Raven Queen needs to tie up before leaving. One is the retrieval of her Champion, Vax'ildan, which I believe WILL happen before the end of Campaign 3. But the other is the one blight on life, the one undead piece of crap, that has continuously evaded her Threads of Fate: Delilah Briarwood. And conveniently, Delilah is tethered to Laudna. If The Raven Queen gets Laudna, she gets Delilah and there's nothing Delilah can do about it because she goes where Laudna goes. I think The Raven Queen is going to offer Laudna a deal: "Let me take Delilah and you will be rid of her forever. I will restore your life and I will take Delilah's place as your Patron for the rest of your mission until I leave with my family. Do this and I will only have one more request for you: Rescue my Champion. Rescue Vax'ildan." I think Laudna is going to shift from being a Warlock of Undeath to a Warlock of Death and thus a Second Champion of The Raven Queen. And I think The Raven Queen is going to drag Delilah, kicking and screaming, to where she should have been since the end of the Briarwood Arc: To The Afterlife. And if this is the case, I can see Laudna receiving a Vestige of Divergence from The Raven Queen. I think it would be poetic if a Champion of The Raven Queen is needed to rescue a Champion of The Raven Queen. And I think it would be rather appropriate if the only other God on board with "dying" is Death Itself. Think about it. The two Gods who think this is a good idea are the Gods of Beauty and Death. And for The God of Death, there is nothing more beautiful than Death "for it brings meaning to life." And I would think that, by this time, The Raven Queen has realized that even her "death" will bring meaning to life; specifically the lives of Exandrians.
Right or wrong you have provided an excellently presented speculation. The most compelling factor here is that The Raven Queen presented herself, we assume alongside or at least in the presence of The ArchHeart, and thus would know of their desire to leave. Seems reasonable that the Raven Queen is therefore the other God that has expressed a desire to leave. Maybe ascending and having to watch/guide all those souls is not as fun as she'd hoped for and indeed would like to experience the infinite.
My other contender is the LawBearer considering their thoughts during the Downfall episodes, basically not wanting to have to take sides anymore.
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I really like those comparisons, very astute!
Abubakr was SUCH a great DM. He genuinely would be FANTASTIC on a live play series
I am surprised how calm Ashton kept, I fully expected him to punch a god when Tal started talking
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I figured the other god was the Law Bearer. After Downfall showed that they were conflicted on not breaking their vows to help, and then proposing the Diving Gate as a compromise, they may now see leaving as the only viable option to still protect their family without turning on humanity.
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I have heard a theory a while ago. I don't remember when or where that there's a chance that Vox machina Mighty Nein and Bells Hells would fill in the vacuum of the gods. I don't know if that's what will happen but its cool to think about what would fill in that power vacuum
I've made comments on Tumblr about this possibility. If the current deities each chose a single champion as an heir, then several of these level 20 heroes could essentially be taken off of the board in future campaigns. Why send a bunch of low level adventurers against a major threat when there's that many level 20s who've proven they'll fight the big bads? It's basically the whole, "Why not just call the Avengers?" issue in the Marvel universe.
Let the Arch Heart and the Matron of Ravens adapt her rituals of ascension and raise these heroes into constellations in the skies, empowering those of a religious nature and keeping an ever vigilant watch over the lands they've fought so long and hard to protect. They'll exist in a realm outside of the divine gate, able to simultaneously split their attention between their constellations and the eternal rest they've earned. This will allow deities who've known the struggles of mortal life and who were born on Exandria to protect their home while letting outsider gods (and their IP restrictions) leave.
When a mortal soul dies on Exandria, it returns to the cycle of rebirth that existed before unless, when brought before the new master of death, they request to join the gods. If their request is pure and approved, they are welcomed there for as many cycles as they wish, with the option to return their soul to the Exandrian cycle at any time.
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I think the other god that is siding with the Archheart is either the Changebringer or the Knowing Mistress. For the Changebringer, that kind of thinking just fits her overall vibe, and as for the Knowing Miatress, she is still injured from the Calamity, she probably doesn't have much fight in her anymore. Against Predathos, she is the wounded gazelle that the lions single out and eat first.
i kinda want the other god who's on board with the archheart to be the lord of lies; but i also think it being a Prime (lawbearer or platinum dragon) would be thematically appropriate too, with how _betrayed_ ol' assie would feel after he burnt so much of himself away in escaping the hunger the first time.
i think the ring is a vestige because the archheart crafted it out of Selena back when Aeor fell.
I’m so sorry if I missed it, but does this mean breakdowns and such are officially back?? You make my absolute favorite recaps and breakdowns, so I was so sad when you (understandably) had to take a step back a few months ago.
Yes! For now 😅 I'm taking great efforts to make sure I don't get burned out again and am hoping I can continue them for the foreseeable future
@@Luboffin that’s so great! Hopefully you can settle a good balance so it stays fun. 😊
I think it’s so wrong for bells bells to decide for everyone the gods need to go
I want Campaign 4 to start off with the funeral of the Voice of the Tempest. 1000 years after the events of campaign 1. The world would be very different - a more Victorian/industrial age. One where science and magic coexist. And the gods have passed into the realm of legend. Few remember them. Fewer still worship them.
the other god: Raven queen
Wildmother
Spider Queen
Asmodeus
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Personally, I think the second god who is ready to leave is the Dawnfather. We saw how he hardened his heart and, in a way, put aside the naive hope of Ayden as he began to accept the possibility that his presence in Exandria was actively harming his children. He's been wrestling with this for centuries even up to current day when he commanded Deanna to strike down the arrogant mortals who wished to release Predathos or lose the gifts he had granted her as a Cleric. Then he was disappointed when she said she wasn't going to argue with him, wishing she'd go into this with a conviction of faith rather than seeing it as a reason-based transaction.
I could see him coming to look at the commandments he demands of his followers and slowly looking inward to see if he has been leading by example. A second Calamity-level event, that would have to extend far further than a single floating city to destroy all knowledge of Predathos if Ludinus broadcasts it everywhere, would be a difficult thing for one to rationalize against his tenets.
Plus, it would allow for another Downfall cameo that wouldn't require a main cast member to slip into their deity's headspace at the same time as their main character. The Lawbearer is a harder sell as well because they know the deals that the deities made and wouldn't be willing to break them so easily.
(and side, funny note - Travis yelped that much at the fly zapper/swatter only for it to *spoilers* NOT EVEN KILL THE FLY LATER! Therefore, fly = tougher than Travis, lol!)
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Thank you for the lovely breakdown!
I mentioned this before but The Matrine did try to reach Imogen at the grave w/ Ravens squawking at her but Laura said NOPE.
Another crazy idea is The Matetrine wants Imogen* to be her Champion or at least follower ? And The Matrine is willing enlist Launda 1st to get Imogen* to protect Launda. I think The Matetrine might offer Launda something or a favor which might have a double stipulation or bargin ? But It's going to ensare Imogen The Matrine's Prime target.
Thanks for the video Luna!
I feel like it’s going to be Lolth that is the other god with how everything went with the crown keepers. What an interesting web that would weave. But between how Opal was made champion and what was said in those episodes made me feel like there was going to be more to that story.
But with Orym representing the Wildmother, Braius representing the Lord of the Hells, Imogen now dawning a relic of the red moon from the arch and Laudna being told by the Raven queen to seek her out. Just makes me wonder if anyone else will become a champion of a God or get another relic of the red moon. Also makes me wonder if they’re gonna tie in any more of those deities involved in downfall.
Kord's shown interest in Imogen too! Lightning powers n all...
I could see it being the Knowing Mistress or the Lawbringer I could also see it being Sarenrae although I think she's less likely
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I really want Imogen to meet up with Kord the Stormlord!
I wonder if the gods will leave and than we will pick up with them starting the new world of dagger heart for the next campaign, it would be a good bridge
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I for one am glad Fearne didn't go with Zathuda. I mean he tried to kill her and replace her with an evil twin for gods sakes, he's not a good dude! I feel her taking that choice also came out of nowhere, hens why everyone so shocked. I know Fearne is supposed to be a chaotic character, I just felt it came out of left field.
given the events in Downfall I wondered if the other god on board is actually the Lawbearer. And maybe its just wishful thinking because I so wish we could get Noshir on as a DM in a similar situation as to what happened with Corellon.
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I think the new plan would be a terrible idea.
I think we are seeing the skism 2 electric boogaloo and this is betrayer 2.0.
I dont think the arch heart is correct that the other gods will just run rather than fight.
I still don't think predathos wont also eat mortals.
I think this is probably just another "yo you guys should probably get on with it"
I just wonder what the Arch Hearts plan is after they run?
I mean, if they run, won't they be running away from Predathos forever?
I dont know about yall but that dosent sound like a good time or a life living on the run doesn't seem like a thing that too many of the gods would want anyway.
Ok but what if the Matron wanted Laudna to replace Vax so that he could finally move on?
I think the other god that is for leaving is the Everlight.
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I think Braius Doomseed is Asmodeus in a human (mortal) vessel.
Im on the fence about trusting the arch heart. He could be lying about the whole thing.
Very easy for Dorian to agree with the Arch Heart's scheme when he's not the one who would actually have to make the sacrifice of becoming a vessel for predathos
Why not build a Factorum Malleus and KILL Predathos though.
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I really want the figure presenting as The Arch Heart to be Asmodeus in disguise.
If this is true, then, at the reveal, I want Brennan to storm into the room and present Abu with a cease and desist order regarding stealing his character, lol!
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I don't believe that's the Arch Heart and they are being deceived by someone. Everything he said just went against what we know of the god.
@@Dunybrook They talked about how it all happened in the Cooldown on Beacon. It’s definitely the Arch Heart, and I honestly don’t think they would have done what they did in the episode if it was some kind of deceit. Too much work to sell the bit.
@@Dunybrook how does it go agaisnt anything we know of the god?
Ok , I'm going to talk crazy but just heard me out ?
Ok this is going to link back to Travis wanting Imogen to give into Predothos* or Travis and Laura's Car Rides Home where Laura has confirmed Travis wants Imogen to take her Dark Power from The Red Moon even if there's no going back ? Travis wants Imogen to walk into The Storm.
Back to Ferne n Chet
Travis and Ashley had a Plan , I think inbetween games* But Ashley being Ferne technically Ashleybeing Ashley* Ashley forgot at The Table.
But The Plan was Ferne joins Sorrow Lord as a Spy* but also gains trust and knowledge from The Sorrow Lord to put Ashley right next to where The Heroes need to get and Ferne will be The Bomb the Heroes need once everyone is ready to fight the final battle or Biggest Battle w/ Armies ?
Ferne could get close to Imogen's Mom and help her too so Ferne and Imogen's Mom can work together as Spies or get Liliana ? Out safe during The Fight or right before threw the secret portal ?
There is an angle w/ Ferne she can get close and be in danger but then Ferne gets plans and intel for her allies and links in Liliana* to stragizegetting innocent out of to safe location so the fight is clean.
I think the second god is the Lawberer or Sereanre( pike's god). From Downfall they are probably the most willing to leave Exandria. I guess it's one of the gods of Downfall. We already know which ones it can't be. Not the Wildmother, or the Spider Queen, and Pelor ( forgot his name). I don't think his a betrayer nether.