The shot that went out of the first group was the one that got hung up in the magazine pretty bad. I would guess it messed up the tip of that bullet, changed the overall length, or maybe messed up the concentricity depending on how it jammed in the magazine/feed ramp. Just a thought?
When I necked down 308 to 7mm-08 my pressure went up and I found out the necks were too think and I had to turn them to bring them back within spec. The pressure returned to normal. This may not be the case with 6 Creed if they intended people to use necked down 6.5 Creed when they designed the 6 Creed. I thought your weird first groups was the case but the once fire group shows they are fine once fire formed.
H4350 was a little hot for me, 7828SC was what I settled on. And definitely had to weight match bullets, seems the higher BC, smaller diameter bullets leads to more inconsistencies.
When I shoot target match, sometimes single loading the bullet hangs up. I pull it out and fire another round. What happens it the tip gets deformed and you can change the seating depth from the hang up.
That first group is a weather line. Jack neary talks about different groups and how to make them better. I believe that one was you needed to go up in powder charge to get a tight group. But I could be wrong.
@@RobsReloading still should watch that interview with Jack Neary. Another point is OCW. If your on the edge of a sporadic load then your point of impact shift would constantly change. I personally would go up at least .5 grain if I had no pressure signs where I was.
@@SpudOutdoors I have watched it. I do not believe for a system like mine that has a lot more variables than his bench rest set up will react as his. Too many other things going on that could be impacting group size. #1 being fureforming starline 6.5 creed brass in a factory chambered rifle.
I did not know new brass could affect the group so much. I have an uncle that said sometimes it takes a few rounds for his to settle down after cleaning. Maybe the cleaning had some effect on the first group. Thx for the video I think we have some long range 10 x 12 inch steel targets on the menu later today.
New brass can have as much as .020” difference in the shoulders. It’s best to use a 75% load on new brass so your not damaging the brass when it slams into the bolt face at 62,000psi.
Rob, i am currently testing Berger 108gr in my 6 creedmoor using Imr 4451. Was thinking about trying H4350 and was wondering what charge weight are you seeing the best accuracy at?
@@toddparsons2980 it also seems to catch not on the tip or nose if the bullet but on the outside of the case and the chamber entrance. The barrel I chanbered I had no feeding issues. I think I had a bit more of a chamfer going into the chamber.
@RobsReloading yes i know. I've watched them already. I should have clarified. I mean, it would be nice to see your process with each new projectile, powder, caliber, etc...
The shot that went out of the first group was the one that got hung up in the magazine pretty bad. I would guess it messed up the tip of that bullet, changed the overall length, or maybe messed up the concentricity depending on how it jammed in the magazine/feed ramp. Just a thought?
Fantastic last group. Thank you. Happy hunting!
Last group was fantastic!
Wow that's a great group
Nice shooting !!
Honest video
When I necked down 308 to 7mm-08 my pressure went up and I found out the necks were too think and I had to turn them to bring them back within spec. The pressure returned to normal. This may not be the case with 6 Creed if they intended people to use necked down 6.5 Creed when they designed the 6 Creed. I thought your weird first groups was the case but the once fire group shows they are fine once fire formed.
I'd check out the berger 108 elite hunter. It has a bc almost as good as the 109 hybrid and i believe it has a hybrid ogive as well
Love the videos. Would you do a 25 creedmoor or 25x47?
H4350 was a little hot for me, 7828SC was what I settled on. And definitely had to weight match bullets, seems the higher BC, smaller diameter bullets leads to more inconsistencies.
When I shoot target match, sometimes single loading the bullet hangs up. I pull it out and fire another round. What happens it the tip gets deformed and you can change the seating depth from the hang up.
That first group is a weather line. Jack neary talks about different groups and how to make them better. I believe that one was you needed to go up in powder charge to get a tight group. But I could be wrong.
The first group and the last group I shot are the same load. Drastically different sizes. Probably other variables other than powder charge
@@RobsReloading still should watch that interview with Jack Neary. Another point is OCW. If your on the edge of a sporadic load then your point of impact shift would constantly change. I personally would go up at least .5 grain if I had no pressure signs where I was.
@@SpudOutdoors I have watched it. I do not believe for a system like mine that has a lot more variables than his bench rest set up will react as his. Too many other things going on that could be impacting group size. #1 being fureforming starline 6.5 creed brass in a factory chambered rifle.
I did not know new brass could affect the group so much. I have an uncle that said sometimes it takes a few rounds for his to settle down after cleaning. Maybe the cleaning had some effect on the first group. Thx for the video I think we have some long range 10 x 12 inch steel targets on the menu later today.
New brass can have as much as .020” difference in the shoulders. It’s best to use a 75% load on new brass so your not damaging the brass when it slams into the bolt face at 62,000psi.
@@joshuawhite6523 thx. I’ll remember that. Brass is hard to come by in some of my stuff.
@@Off-target-xy6bxjust measure the shoulder on a fired case then measure new brass. You will be shocked.
Rob, i am currently testing Berger 108gr in my 6 creedmoor using Imr 4451. Was thinking about trying H4350 and was wondering what charge weight are you seeing the best accuracy at?
Probably from the bad feeding issues ?
How much did you seating depth change from the new and once fired, or did you adjust the seating die for each brass.
Seating depth was the same for both.
Might be that feeding issue catching on mouth and messing up concentricity.
If concentricity was important that may be true.
@@RobsReloading just a though. Seemed like it through it after the feeding hiccup.
@@toddparsons2980 it also seems to catch not on the tip or nose if the bullet but on the outside of the case and the chamber entrance. The barrel I chanbered I had no feeding issues. I think I had a bit more of a chamfer going into the chamber.
@@RobsReloading my thinking as well but try to see if case mouth is hanging up on mag wall while feeding.
What is your trigger weight set at ??? TY
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Dude just load the magazine it was cringe watching them bullets get slammed
Man calm down you’re not on the clock
Watching only range videos is getting old. Would be nice to see your load process. Think I'll unsubcribe.
I have many videos showing my loading process
@RobsReloading yes i know. I've watched them already. I should have clarified. I mean, it would be nice to see your process with each new projectile, powder, caliber, etc...
@@Mrjaspgu Like Johnny used to do? RIP Johnny's youtube channel.
@@SDMacMan yes. Exactly!
@@SDMacManwhat happened to JRB?