To be fair here, Vegeta here is already weakened by the time Nouva reappears. He's been smacked around by Omega a lot so he isn't at full strength whereas Nouva here is fresh and apparently has a small power boost from Omega.
1) Eariler Vegeta received a beat down from Omega Shenron so he’s tired and not at 100%. 2) This is Vegeta’s first time as a SSJ4 so he still doesn’t know all the moves and techniques of the transformation. 3) It was stated in an earlier episode that Nova Shenron was faster than SSJ4 Goku but weaker in terms of strength. 4) Omega Shenron gave Nova a power boost which made him even stronger.
Goku wasn't lying about Nuova being exceptionally fast. The dub (for some reason) left out the lines from Nuova that his body heat could reach 6,000 degrees Celsius AND that, when comparing Nuova in this form to Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Nuova has the edge on speed while Goku has the edge on strength.
Vegeta only lost because Omega Shenron gave a bit of his power combined with Nuovas own power which made him even more powerful than when he first faught Goku. Keep in mind Vegeta had received a massive beat down previously by Omega. Vegeta wasn't fresh, he was tired.
Yes I agree, and not only from Omega, also from Goku. Nouva Shen Ron received an incredible power-up which made him able to fight the same Omega shen ron.
@@leultrainstinct406 Useful against Hit in what endeavor, exactly? Getting his ass kicked while giving a fanservice speech about never giving up only to subsequently be one-shotted?
for once i would like to see vegeta fight for more than 30 seconds, im mean every god damn time he fights he has a badass entrance only to have his ass raped immediately. it just feels like the writers either hate vegeta or just don't give a fuck about his fanbase.
legend658 Thankfully they stopped doing that crap all the time in Super, I mean seriously? Stop putting Vegeta in if that's the only end result you're going to cook up for him...
Ok according to you what was better thank tenkaichi is game play scenery, music character list destruction and moveset, what dbZ game had it better than dbz n don't day burst limit lol
***** wow, i actually have raging blast 2. do they have a audio setting where u could put it on Japanese? if not then that's ok being as though i am playing xenoverse now. i heard they are bringing gt characters like nova & ice shenlong to the game in a DLC. plus other characters too.
Bleadze King The devil dragon's are very strong it's not a surprise when they can beat even Vegeta SSJ4. Nova Shenron is the fastet and Omega has much power
@@veryangryboi4128 he only beat Goku initially, Semi Perfect Cell, Android 19 and Pui Pui Lost against both Perfect and Super Perfect Cell, Fat Buu, Buuhan, Kid Buu, Android 18
@@leultrainstinct406 Where's the glory ? All i remember is him ranting about UI in front of Jiren , not giving Goku energy for spirit bomb while the universe is at stake , saying " arrogance is my pride " with a straight face , asking Jiren to not dodge his attack and getting put in his place even after getting that big favor from him . Dbs butchered his character while never letting him do better than Goku in any arc , where's the glory ? While GT is leaps and bounds better in not having character regression let alone way greater than the past instead in development , and also established to have caught upto Goku in shadow dragon arc and also fought Omega shenron with him on equal footing
Super Sayain 4 vegeta really needed more bad ass scenes. Also very underutilized character transformation. The series could have developed a Goku and Vegeta Super Sayain 4 training season. Like mastering those transformations. I would have also have loved to have seen more of Gogeta SS4. GT may have had it’s flaws but it still had its strengths with those SS4 transformation
It's not underutilised at all and the best one infact in treatment . It cannot be needed to be mastered since gaining mastery over the greatest rage is what transforms them in the first place , the transformation itself is a proof of their achievement in mastering saiyan rage entirely . But yes only in Vegeta's case he got it too late so of course couldn't get much cool scenes against Omega and Nouva who is faster even if not stronger . For what it's worth he did catch Omega off guard in one scene and throw him away by a kick and was on equal footing with Goku ssj4 against him , in GT Perfect Files being stated to have the same characteristics as Goku's version and equal in power to him as well , keep in mind this is after Goku heavily increased the full power of his ssj4 with the help of others to beat Syn shenron . So the arc just needed to be a bit longer based on how grand the final events are which would allow longer fights with more twists and a few more cool scenes with Vegeta's ssj4 , i still appreciate the fact that at least he finally caught up to Goku .
@@humanman9920 That's not good enough and you know it. They really only tossed Vegeta SSJ4 for the sole purpose of making SSJ4 Gogeta. How are you immediately useless right after the fusion ends lol they treated Vegeta like a punching bag the entire series. DBS isn't very great either but at least there are seeeeveral cool and badass Vegeta moments, as well as several badass Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks moments etc. NONE of which happen in GT. They didn't even care enough to give us Adult Gotenks
@@UltraEgoMcFalse . Ssj4 Goku was established to be stronger than Nouva in power and only outclassed in speed . Vegeta ssj4 fought Omega while having equal footing with Goku , caught him off guard once and threw him away , is explicitly stated to have same characteristics as Goku's ssj4 and equally strong as him in GT Perfect Files , keep in mind that this is after Goku increased full of his ssj4 heavily to beat Syn shenron . Even though Nouva shenron could've recieved a boost from Omega shenron this time , after taking his attack Vegeta also says he wasn't hurt in the least. So Nouva could only dominate in speed and not end the fight
" only relevant " Wth are u talking about ? He was shown the strongest on earth in Baby arc with Baby stating with his body he'd be able to beat Goku , he beat Gohan in their fight and baby only sneaked into him . He's the one who kept getting back up against Super 17 arc till Goku reached earth , while Super 17 was boasting his ability to withstand all of their attacks including Majuub who pushed Super baby 2 to the very limit before getting beaten , he suddenly had to start dodging all attacks fron Ssj2 Vegeta and wasn't so comfortable taking any head on . Yes he got ssj4 too late in the last few episodes only getting to fight Omega shenron on equal footing with Goku and that one scene where he catches him off guard and kicks him away , it should've been stretched longer with more cool scenes for him , but what kind of nonsense is calling this the only relevant role ?
Goku's final blow was a formality .. Vegeta *defeated* Freeza, thats what matters. Vegeta also defeats Frost, Cabba, Some Robot thing, and Goku Black - pre Zamasu Fusion. Sure .. he still hasnt been the one to defeat a "Final Villain" but he has done far more than he ever did in DBZ, and I think his character is working up to a major win sometime in the series. Aside from that, Vegeta has recieved by far the most character development out of anyone in DBS, it's obvious Toriyama has figured out he's a fan favorite in the west and is appealing to the masses by actually having him DO something relevent.
Well yes, he do more than before, that's for sure. If only they didn't fuck up his personality by making him cry seeing Beerus or dance/cook/sing for him. He also still race with Goku like Buu saga didn't matter at all. Still, he is clearly the best character in DBS. Goku is fucking idiot. I can't even look at him. But in case of personality, GT Vegeta is a lot better imo than his DBS counterpart. He seems a lot more mature, more like his Buu Saga version. DBS Vegeta reminds me his Cell Saga version too much.
I disagree about the dance/sing/cook thing ... I think having Vegeta show a lighter side shows how he has matured and can sacrifice his pride for the ones he cares about. He has caught up to Goku, but it's not like it was easy .. he has been endlessly training, but more importantly he closely observed Goku's fight with Beerus and began to understand how "God power" works. The thing about SSB is its nothing like regular SSJ where they induce rage, instead its the opposite, they induce control.. that levels the playing field between Vegeta and Goku since its no longer about "getting ahead", its more a case of "going in a different direction". It's esssentially an excuse to put them both back at the starting line. I'll agree that Vegeta in DBGT was a pretty good depiction, but he had almost no screen time. GT in general was just complete garbage, the Baby saga was .. decent at best, and SSJ4 was cool .. but everything else about it was a mess.. I'm glad that it was retconned. Now it looks like we will have Bra in Super which means that not everything in GT is being completely discounted.. I don't know if we will see SSJ4 in DBS.. but I think that the character dynamic of Vegeta in GT is something we will still get to see as he grows in DBS. (Remember GT is still a fair ways in the future compared to DBS).
Not a single rage moment. No zenkai boost whatsoever. Just transformation, Dragon Fist, Gogeta, Kid Goku gets destroyed, Shenron one shots everyone, Goku Spirit Bombs him, the end
" Not a single rage moment " ??? The whole point of Ssj4 is conquering saiyan rage in its entirety and gaining mastery over the primal mind . " no zenkai boost whatsoever " how do u know ? Vegeta kept getting back up to fight Omega in the end and he was the one who kept Omega busy till Goku could get enough energy to even stand and having made somewhat of a spirit bomb , he got up even after getting his hand brutally impaled and getting shot by dragon thunder . The difference was so huge in forms below ssj4 and Omega that zenkai boost wouldn't matter , and in Ssj4 Vegeta did catch Omega off guard once and kicked him away .
Man they couldn't let Vegeta have ANYTHING in GT smh. Every time I replay these clips it just reminds me of why I hated this series so much in the first place
This scene is the perfect example of how GT treated every character who wasn't Goku. Even after Vegeta got to Super Saiyan 4 they still jobbed him out.
It's not as great as dbz but definitely not bad , and has some parts which are the best in the franchise , like Ssj4 transformation just overall and the story of Baby arc .Especially when i see it for the number of episodes just 64 , i want to call it pretty good instead
You guys have to remember that nova is not weak at all and he had the power to destroy omega and he was going to smack omega away with that explosion in and I don’t see how he cannot beat ssj4 plus nova is too fast
Vegeta doesnt deserve this humiliation, he works so hard his entire life...they should have atleast given him one win...they should have given cell or one of the black star dragons to him...he is the GOAT...he is the baddest ass in the series but always gets beat up...whats wrong with the writers? and fuck nova shenron, vegeta would beat his ass if he still fresh...vegeta is the GOAT, the greatest saiyan of all times...
what's worse is that SS Blue still manage to get solid beat downs and a few wins in Super. SS4 did jack shit, just an example how Vegeta doesnt want to earn things the proper way any more and be fusion fodder. shame too, Blue's design an insult to what made God look good.
@@TheRealZXXZ I think that makes Super still more disappointing. Vegeta is always outperformed by Goku. Aside of SSJB Vegeta getting more fights you get the following: - He defeats Cabba while in SSJB (totally worth the transformation) - Cucks to Hit who's attacks do less damage to Base Goku than they did to a God Ki covered Fully Transformed Vegeta - Vegeta gets killed by a weakened Frieza who blew up the planet - Vegeta got owned by Base Black who needed to be transformed to handle SSJB Goku and SSJ2 Trunks. - Vegeta needed SSJB and insults to beat Lava Spliting Bot and the Sonic Heroes. The only noteworthy thing he did is beat Top but that was some bullshit to survive your own self-destruction. Super Dragon Ball Heroes handled him better.
Goku: Think about what you're doing Nova! He's already killed you once! He's just turn on you like he did before. All he knows is how to betray. Me: I don't see how he betrayed Nova. Sure Nova is soft and Omega doesn't like that, but Nova jumped in the way of Omega/Syn's attack and got killed. I'm not sure if Omega/Syn intended to do that.
I doubt it was unintentional by Syn's hands. Nouva's brother already insults him by claiming that his softness and noble nature is a weakness, and he needs to act like a true Shadow Dragon. Syn is no better.
To be fair he's not the only one who suffers from "not Goku" syndrome. And at least he gets to be second. He & Goku are 2 of my favorites but still, it would be cool to see Piccolo, Yamcha & Tien relevant again
Nuova shenron got a boost from omega, and omega previously beat the shit out of vegeta, he was tired a normal nuova shenron and a normal ssj4 vegeta is a close fight
Even GT handled Vegeta better than Super.. They used him as a badass charakter who "sacrifice" his power to make us feel despair against the new enemy. Super presents him like a cute baby who never stop talks about pride.
@ahc2599 actually super vegeta was SSJ 2 and beat cell in his second form. But I know what you mean almost has a Krillen vibe to it. Maybe it has something to do with Akira toryama hating Vegeta, he did want to kill him of after he fought Goku and has stated more than once that Vegeta is his least favourite character.
You know what I don't understand? I don't understand why a lot of Vegeta fans are like this. I like Vegeta as a character but you guys ruin it and i'm like "jeez, calm down". Just think of Nuova as being waaaaaaay faster than both Goku and Vegeta. ww1.dragonball360.com/2004/11/20/dragon-ball-gt-episode-54-english-dubbed/
One of the reason I prefer vegeta from super by far, gt vegeta is trash, he is so weak he didn't even reach ssj4 by himself and need assist, atleast vegeta (from super) got his blue form by training, still have his word to say in fight at this level and get some shine like when he kick black ass, manage to get a clean hit on jiren, defeat toppo god of destruction mode and even unlock a form who put him equal to goku ssb kaioken x20 What gt vegeta has do in gt except getting his ass kicked and being irrelevant
Goku didn't reach SS4 by himself either. First he looked up at the full earth and transformed into True Super Saiyan 1 aka Golden Oozaru. Second Goku wasn't able to Transform from Golden Oozaru to SS4 at will like Vegeta was able to. Goku needed Pan to Transform from Golden Oozaru to SS4.
Dragon Ball Super RUINED Vegeta's character. In Dragon Ball Super, not only does Vegeta get his ass kicked a lot and has never beat a major villain, but even if he has a few wins against minor characters, they made him an absolute bitch that sucks Beerus's dick at every turn. They went against the flow of the proudest character in the series. It's like a poorly written fanfiction. The Vegeta we grew up with from Dragon Ball Z would NEVER, ever act like the clown in Dragon Ball Super. He's used for comic relief in the most vile manners. GT Vegeta at least kept his pride.
Ssj4 vegeta didnt get time to improve the form like goku and in the context of this fight has lost a considerable about of energy due to the fight prior to
Lol these casual kids, 1 vegeta was tired here, 2 nouva had a boost, 3 goku ended ice, who was dominating nouva, in 1 punch while being blind. So stuf already
he was never a good guy he just loved the thrill of fighting, wanting a fair fight against an opponent he knows that'll give him a tough fight so he has sort of the saiyan pride
ssj4 Goku is NOT Stronger than Vegeta... Maybe a little. But we as fans all know he's getting his ass whooped because GT is gokus story. I'm just glad at least we got a ssj4 Vegeta.
@@SCHMALLZZZ exactly my point!! Goku absorbed power from 4 other saiyans to make a full power SsJ4, vegeta transformed and was already on his level. Yeah Goku fought a lil before vegeta showed up but like I said he absorbed saiyan power too
for one thing gokus base form is far stronger than Vegetas so even if they both received the ss4 power increase isn't obvious Goku will still be much stronger than Vegeta. not to mention Goku surpassed his limits.
@@SCHMALLZZZ This is not how the Metamoran fusion dance works. It is true that the two fusees must have the same power level before fusing, but Goku and Vegeta lower their power levels before fusing so that they will be equal, and will thus be able to become Gogeta.
To be fair here, Vegeta here is already weakened by the time Nouva reappears. He's been smacked around by Omega a lot so he isn't at full strength whereas Nouva here is fresh and apparently has a small power boost from Omega.
1) Eariler Vegeta received a beat down from Omega Shenron so he’s tired and not at 100%.
2) This is Vegeta’s first time as a SSJ4 so he still doesn’t know all the moves and techniques of the transformation.
3) It was stated in an earlier episode that Nova Shenron was faster than SSJ4 Goku but weaker in terms of strength.
4) Omega Shenron gave Nova a power boost which made him even stronger.
Vegeta didn't lose
Isn't Nuova still faster even without the boost and Vegeta being tired?
@@lemonzazz122 It wasn't even a fight.
No, even Vegeta gets full recovered in Ssj4, he still slower than Nouva because Goku confirmed that Nouva faster than Ssj4
Goku wasn't lying about Nuova being exceptionally fast. The dub (for some reason) left out the lines from Nuova that his body heat could reach 6,000 degrees Celsius AND that, when comparing Nuova in this form to Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Nuova has the edge on speed while Goku has the edge on strength.
IMMACYCLOPS actually nuova is hotter than the sun which is much above 6000
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 Yep, he said it himself.
It was Si Xing Long's suppressed form that could generate the temps of 6000 degrees. His actual full power is far hotter than that
He said that he is hotter than the sun... Which can be more than 6000(sun's surface) or more than 1 million(sun's core) ...
this sounds like a pokedex entry for Magmar. lol
Vegeta only lost because Omega Shenron gave a bit of his power combined with Nuovas own power which made him even more powerful than when he first faught Goku. Keep in mind Vegeta had received a massive beat down previously by Omega. Vegeta wasn't fresh, he was tired.
Yes I agree, and not only from Omega, also from Goku. Nouva Shen Ron received an incredible power-up which made him able to fight the same Omega shen ron.
nope vegeta is just weak face the fact
Keyless 123 Nope. Between the power of Goku and Vegeta ita dramatically different like in Super.
Eis would also probably smack Vegeta around also.
lol just get it vegeta is weak
Erubiel2 nope when vegeta was fresh he was confident that he could beat syn. Note syn dominated the goku that one shot Eis
1:44 that had to be the most awkward mili-second ever
Lol
LMFAOO
Nova: Your breath smells really nice.
Vegeta: ...
Haha good eye man
Shall we talk about 1:45?
I don't even remember seeing Nova after Omega killed him
ohmyGUHDness Same I'm confused
Nova does return and helps Goku and Vegeta against Omega Shenron, seems you forgot or you missed one episode xD
@@danielmedjedovic7068 Yeah this was all just a front so he could suprise attack shenron.
@@danielmedjedovic7068 came back just to be killed by him again
@@luisolaguez4309 just like every other dbz/dbs/gt villain xD
This is the original Hit vs. Vegeta.
At least vegeta was useful vs hit
He didn’t do anything against nouva💀💀
@@leultrainstinct406 facts
@@leultrainstinct406 Useful against Hit in what endeavor, exactly? Getting his ass kicked while giving a fanservice speech about never giving up only to subsequently be one-shotted?
@@victors151allowing the others to figure out what hit was doing.
If it wasnt for his fight they would have lost the tournament.
@@leultrainstinct406he said himself nuova wasn’t trying to seriously hurt him he was tryna plot against omega
for once i would like to see vegeta fight for more than 30 seconds, im mean every god damn time he fights he has a badass entrance only to have his ass raped immediately. it just feels like the writers either hate vegeta or just don't give a fuck about his fanbase.
Yeah. Toriama (sorry if I spelt wrong) admitted that vegeta is his least favorite character.
Of course! Toriyama hates vegeta.
legend658 Thankfully they stopped doing that crap all the time in Super, I mean seriously? Stop putting Vegeta in if that's the only end result you're going to cook up for him...
Rodney Christopher ikr. Finally
Toriyama don't hate Vegeta, he just don't like him.
Even at ss4 they still find a way to make vegeta the most useless character thank god the game Xenoverse had ss4 I'll use him as my character
Nahh th games awesome bruv you gotta play it... It's really dope it and tenkaichi are on my top2
Lol bruv I don't even know if you trolling cuZ tenkaichi was one of the best thing to happen to dbz
Ok according to you what was better thank tenkaichi is game play scenery, music character list destruction and moveset, what dbZ game had it better than dbz n don't day burst limit lol
***** wow, i actually have raging blast 2. do they have a audio setting where u could put it on Japanese? if not then that's ok being as though i am playing xenoverse now. i heard they are bringing gt characters like nova & ice shenlong to the game in a DLC. plus other characters too.
Bleadze King
The devil dragon's are very strong it's not a surprise when they can beat even Vegeta SSJ4. Nova Shenron is the fastet and Omega has much power
1:44 Nouva getting in Vegeta's personal space
LOL but true
Even after GT finally gives Vegeta some decent power and screen time he still gets the shaft.
Like in every series.
@@OnTheJordanBone nah he had more screen time and wins in Z
@@veryangryboi4128 he only beat Goku initially, Semi Perfect Cell, Android 19 and Pui Pui
Lost against both Perfect and Super Perfect Cell, Fat Buu, Buuhan, Kid Buu, Android 18
@@willisstillhere8846 You forgot Namek saga, he had a lot of kills there. While in GT he got shit on every single fight he was in.
@@OnTheJordanBone dbs gives vegeta more justice than z or gt every did
This pretty much sums up vegeta's entire dbz career. Always one step behind goku
They're both slower than Nuova so I don't see your point when it comes to this scene in GT.
I’m glad dbs is letting vegeta take his own path instead of following goku’s every move
He’s the best vegeta hands down
@@SuperSuper0 vegeta was always behind goku in gt and his only real victory was vs Nappa
That’s embarrassing af
That's the plot. Goku is the spoiled child of the series.
Wrong
why nova shenron sounds like megatron lol
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What does omega shenron sound like
Vegeta has only got glory on Video games , Such a pity -_-
And in dbs
Gt did his character horribly
@@leultrainstinct406 Where's the glory ? All i remember is him ranting about UI in front of Jiren , not giving Goku energy for spirit bomb while the universe is at stake , saying " arrogance is my pride " with a straight face , asking Jiren to not dodge his attack and getting put in his place even after getting that big favor from him .
Dbs butchered his character while never letting him do better than Goku in any arc , where's the glory ? While GT is leaps and bounds better in not having character regression let alone way greater than the past instead in development , and also established to have caught upto Goku in shadow dragon arc and also fought Omega shenron with him on equal footing
Vegeta:Did anybody get the number of that bitch!!!.
Nova Shenron: 4 stars.
Vegeta: Thank you.
nice steal comment. Very original.
Mihai Mercenarul thanks and nice Cell pic dude.
Why thank you, good sir. You're most kind. Your Buu picture is nice as well.
Mihai Mercenarul you're welcome and thank you
Super Sayain 4 vegeta really needed more bad ass scenes. Also very underutilized character transformation. The series could have developed a Goku and Vegeta Super Sayain 4 training season. Like mastering those transformations. I would have also have loved to have seen more of Gogeta SS4. GT may have had it’s flaws but it still had its strengths with those SS4 transformation
It's not underutilised at all and the best one infact in treatment . It cannot be needed to be mastered since gaining mastery over the greatest rage is what transforms them in the first place , the transformation itself is a proof of their achievement in mastering saiyan rage entirely . But yes only in Vegeta's case he got it too late so of course couldn't get much cool scenes against Omega and Nouva who is faster even if not stronger .
For what it's worth he did catch Omega off guard in one scene and throw him away by a kick and was on equal footing with Goku ssj4 against him , in GT Perfect Files being stated to have the same characteristics as Goku's version and equal in power to him as well , keep in mind this is after Goku heavily increased the full power of his ssj4 with the help of others to beat Syn shenron . So the arc just needed to be a bit longer based on how grand the final events are which would allow longer fights with more twists and a few more cool scenes with Vegeta's ssj4 , i still appreciate the fact that at least he finally caught up to Goku .
@@humanman9920 That's not good enough and you know it. They really only tossed Vegeta SSJ4 for the sole purpose of making SSJ4 Gogeta. How are you immediately useless right after the fusion ends lol they treated Vegeta like a punching bag the entire series. DBS isn't very great either but at least there are seeeeveral cool and badass Vegeta moments, as well as several badass Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks moments etc. NONE of which happen in GT. They didn't even care enough to give us Adult Gotenks
It’s the face to face for me @1:45 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥
Vegeta was not even tryng, Goku and him knew that nova shenron had a plain
Now you're reaching
RumbleHD I saw the gt only once time xD
Nuova was toying with Vegeta. He would get destroyed by Nuova.
@@RumbleHD gt fans lose brain cells defending the trash writing💀💀
@@UltraEgoMcFalse . Ssj4 Goku was established to be stronger than Nouva in power and only outclassed in speed . Vegeta ssj4 fought Omega while having equal footing with Goku , caught him off guard once and threw him away , is explicitly stated to have same characteristics as Goku's ssj4 and equally strong as him in GT Perfect Files , keep in mind that this is after Goku increased full of his ssj4 heavily to beat Syn shenron . Even though Nouva shenron could've recieved a boost from Omega shenron this time , after taking his attack Vegeta also says he wasn't hurt in the least. So Nouva could only dominate in speed and not end the fight
1:03 “you won’t last 5 seconds playing this adult game”
vegeta should have had more time to show his ss4 power, its unfortunate what they did with his only relevant role in db gt.
" only relevant " Wth are u talking about ? He was shown the strongest on earth in Baby arc with Baby stating with his body he'd be able to beat Goku , he beat Gohan in their fight and baby only sneaked into him .
He's the one who kept getting back up against Super 17 arc till Goku reached earth , while Super 17 was boasting his ability to withstand all of their attacks including Majuub who pushed Super baby 2 to the very limit before getting beaten , he suddenly had to start dodging all attacks fron Ssj2 Vegeta and wasn't so comfortable taking any head on .
Yes he got ssj4 too late in the last few episodes only getting to fight Omega shenron on equal footing with Goku and that one scene where he catches him off guard and kicks him away , it should've been stretched longer with more cool scenes for him , but what kind of nonsense is calling this the only relevant role ?
1:44 okay now nova is just F'ing around with vegeta
I like how Vegeta runs up and instantly gets smacked
Canon or not. Badass.
It is canon
@Madd dogg its not because db has no canon lol. And GT is the official continuation of Z while dbs is a gap filler. That should be obvious.
@@TheSupernr17 no
Nah this is horrible. There nothing cool about embarrassing vegeta💀
@@TheSupernr17 delusional
wtf, poor Vegeta. Even SS5 shouldn't be enough...Every time, every fckn time they kick Vegeta's ass
Until now ... watch Dragon ball Super. Vegeta is finally WINNING!
+Dark Tenka Goku still beats major villains. They even didn't let Vegeta kill Golden Frieza, Goku had to save him again.
Goku's final blow was a formality .. Vegeta *defeated* Freeza, thats what matters. Vegeta also defeats Frost, Cabba, Some Robot thing, and Goku Black - pre Zamasu Fusion.
Sure .. he still hasnt been the one to defeat a "Final Villain" but he has done far more than he ever did in DBZ, and I think his character is working up to a major win sometime in the series.
Aside from that, Vegeta has recieved by far the most character development out of anyone in DBS, it's obvious Toriyama has figured out he's a fan favorite in the west and is appealing to the masses by actually having him DO something relevent.
Well yes, he do more than before, that's for sure. If only they didn't fuck up his personality by making him cry seeing Beerus or dance/cook/sing for him. He also still race with Goku like Buu saga didn't matter at all. Still, he is clearly the best character in DBS. Goku is fucking idiot. I can't even look at him. But in case of personality, GT Vegeta is a lot better imo than his DBS counterpart. He seems a lot more mature, more like his Buu Saga version. DBS Vegeta reminds me his Cell Saga version too much.
I disagree about the dance/sing/cook thing ... I think having Vegeta show a lighter side shows how he has matured and can sacrifice his pride for the ones he cares about.
He has caught up to Goku, but it's not like it was easy .. he has been endlessly training, but more importantly he closely observed Goku's fight with Beerus and began to understand how "God power" works.
The thing about SSB is its nothing like regular SSJ where they induce rage, instead its the opposite, they induce control.. that levels the playing field between Vegeta and Goku since its no longer about "getting ahead", its more a case of "going in a different direction". It's esssentially an excuse to put them both back at the starting line.
I'll agree that Vegeta in DBGT was a pretty good depiction, but he had almost no screen time. GT in general was just complete garbage, the Baby saga was .. decent at best, and SSJ4 was cool .. but everything else about it was a mess.. I'm glad that it was retconned. Now it looks like we will have Bra in Super which means that not everything in GT is being completely discounted.. I don't know if we will see SSJ4 in DBS.. but I think that the character dynamic of Vegeta in GT is something we will still get to see as he grows in DBS. (Remember GT is still a fair ways in the future compared to DBS).
1:38 to 1:45 reminds me of SSJ Goku from the Namek Saga trolling FP Frieza with the vanishing lmao
That's what I'm saying
it seems like whenever vegeta reaches a new plateau of power he still gets his ass kicked frist buy android 17 and now this LOL
Actually it was 18
And Cell
Norg1 lol dont even know the rigt android
Same with goku
It was all a front so he could surprise attack Syn Shenron
Vegeta took off like we was in Budokai Tenkaichi miss those days i
Idk why but I laughed at 1:44
Yah
LMFAO yoo I just laughed too because Vegeta didn't think Goku was telling the truth 😆😆
They just gave Vegeta such a good character development in GT Then they shit all over him with the weakining decrase.
Goku literally had the same issue with nova and he isn’t stronger just a lot faster, he’s basically the dispo of gt
Not a single rage moment. No zenkai boost whatsoever. Just transformation, Dragon Fist, Gogeta, Kid Goku gets destroyed, Shenron one shots everyone, Goku Spirit Bombs him, the end
" Not a single rage moment " ??? The whole point of Ssj4 is conquering saiyan rage in its entirety and gaining mastery over the primal mind .
" no zenkai boost whatsoever " how do u know ? Vegeta kept getting back up to fight Omega in the end and he was the one who kept Omega busy till Goku could get enough energy to even stand and having made somewhat of a spirit bomb , he got up even after getting his hand brutally impaled and getting shot by dragon thunder . The difference was so huge in forms below ssj4 and Omega that zenkai boost wouldn't matter , and in Ssj4 Vegeta did catch Omega off guard once and kicked him away .
That was so disrespectful😂😂😂
When vegetas hair is actually brown like its supposed to be
Man they couldn't let Vegeta have ANYTHING in GT smh. Every time I replay these clips it just reminds me of why I hated this series so much in the first place
This scene is the perfect example of how GT treated every character who wasn't Goku. Even after Vegeta got to Super Saiyan 4 they still jobbed him out.
Bruh goku literally lost too nova too🤨 the exact same thing happened too him
Fr💀
Idk how some fans defend this shit
Omega LITERALLY explains why nuova won🤦♂️
Vegeta just can't catch a break :(
underrated fight
Idk why folks bash GT it was lit back in the day
It's not as great as dbz but definitely not bad , and has some parts which are the best in the franchise , like Ssj4 transformation just overall and the story of Baby arc .Especially when i see it for the number of episodes just 64 , i want to call it pretty good instead
You guys have to remember that nova is not weak at all and he had the power to destroy omega and he was going to smack omega away with that explosion in and I don’t see how he cannot beat ssj4 plus nova is too fast
Vegeta doesnt deserve this humiliation, he works so hard his entire life...they should have atleast given him one win...they should have given cell or one of the black star dragons to him...he is the GOAT...he is the baddest ass in the series but always gets beat up...whats wrong with the writers? and fuck nova shenron, vegeta would beat his ass if he still fresh...vegeta is the GOAT, the greatest saiyan of all times...
He didn't lose nor was he humiliated.
@@lemonzazz122 you must be blind
He kind of cheated his way to ssj4 tho
@@yonko728 gotta do what you gotta do
he really didnt...?@barcaforever5074
teamfourstar would have fun abridging
do they ?
this didn't age well
That teleporting at the end reminds me of goku and frieza before namek exploded
1:44 Oh you touch my tralala.
Atleast im a ssj4
Sweet
Like a newborn with a bazooka, a lot of power but can't use it.
what's worse is that SS Blue still manage to get solid beat downs and a few wins in Super.
SS4 did jack shit, just an example how Vegeta doesnt want to earn things the proper way any more and be fusion fodder.
shame too, Blue's design an insult to what made God look good.
@@TheRealZXXZ I think that makes Super still more disappointing. Vegeta is always outperformed by Goku. Aside of SSJB Vegeta getting more fights you get the following:
- He defeats Cabba while in SSJB (totally worth the transformation)
- Cucks to Hit who's attacks do less damage to Base Goku than they did to a God Ki covered Fully Transformed Vegeta
- Vegeta gets killed by a weakened Frieza who blew up the planet
- Vegeta got owned by Base Black who needed to be transformed to handle SSJB Goku and SSJ2 Trunks.
- Vegeta needed SSJB and insults to beat Lava Spliting Bot and the Sonic Heroes.
The only noteworthy thing he did is beat Top but that was some bullshit to survive your own self-destruction. Super Dragon Ball Heroes handled him better.
Awesome
To be a SSJ4, you must finish your opponent as quick as possible, although, Nuova here was a lot more refreshed than Vegeta.
Shows got everybody in they feels for Vegeta
Nuova Shenron sounds like Tony Todds Candyman
Wish we saw more from gt vegeta
I love Nouva's voice! 👌
I'm guessing nobody watched GT Nuova shenron was pretending to fight him and this Vegeta is older and wiser so he played along after the first attack
It would've been a cool idea if omega revived and buffed some of the other dragons.
Toriyama still shitting on Vegeta at Super Saiyan 4 against not even the main villain. Mans was brutal 😂
Toriyama never made GT blud what
@@Obanaiguro913he helped make it
@1:43 piccolo "dodge , why are you dodging the sub routine? its not that complex "
1:44
- "Admita"
- " Nem você acredita"
0:46 omega shenron: what do you expect!?
1:44 Nova: Sup bitch
Impressive battle
holy... that is the fastest time vegeta got jobbed
Jazakallahu khairan
Goku: Think about what you're doing Nova! He's already killed you once! He's just turn on you like he did before. All he knows is how to betray.
Me: I don't see how he betrayed Nova. Sure Nova is soft and Omega doesn't like that, but Nova jumped in the way of Omega/Syn's attack and got killed. I'm not sure if Omega/Syn intended to do that.
Omega is free to argue that in court but I don't think the judge will buy that it was an accident.
I doubt it was unintentional by Syn's hands. Nouva's brother already insults him by claiming that his softness and noble nature is a weakness, and he needs to act like a true Shadow Dragon. Syn is no better.
yeah dude this could've been a badass fight! But nope - he's not goku
To be fair he's not the only one who suffers from "not Goku" syndrome. And at least he gets to be second. He & Goku are 2 of my favorites but still, it would be cool to see Piccolo, Yamcha & Tien relevant again
how the fuck did ssj4 vegeta didn't even touch him I know his powers a lot bigger but like WTF
Nuova shenron got a boost from omega, and omega previously beat the shit out of vegeta, he was tired a normal nuova shenron and a normal ssj4 vegeta is a close fight
also nuova was faster than ssj4 goku which vegeta didnt know until it was to late.
Kilion Duke I said about the boost alrdy and it's still bullshit
Jim Bro to late what do u mean vegetas alive
I mean before he fought him lol my bad.
Even GT handled Vegeta better than Super.. They used him as a badass charakter who "sacrifice" his power to make us feel despair against the new enemy. Super presents him like a cute baby who never stop talks about pride.
Dbs vegeta literally beat a god of destruction
Vegeta’s only w in gt was against fucking nappa
Dbs vegeta Is 100x better💀💀
@@leultrainstinct406 so he bear a strong character that makes him better character than gt vegeta?? Strength isn't everything about his character
Nova was giving Kakarot quite a bit of trouble, I don't see how I could have beaten him.
Nuova
Pilaf wished him that way, accidentally.
@ahc2599 actually super vegeta was SSJ 2 and beat cell in his second form. But I know what you mean almost has a Krillen vibe to it. Maybe it has something to do with Akira toryama hating Vegeta, he did want to kill him of after he fought Goku and has stated more than once that Vegeta is his least favourite character.
My favorite shadow dragon
what was the point of having vegeta and goku go sjj 4 if they were still going to get their ass kicked by everyone in GT
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1:44 Nuova Shenron: Lemme smell U
nova shenron is the ultimate troller
vegeta looks like Sonic :P
Vegeta funny asl😂😂😂😂
where can i find this version "metal version" of DB GT? all i can find is the original one.
why do these people hate on vegeta so much? he's the baddest ass in the game. let him be awesome for ten minutes. damn.
You know what I don't understand? I don't understand why a lot of Vegeta fans are like this. I like Vegeta as a character but you guys ruin it and i'm like "jeez, calm down". Just think of Nuova as being waaaaaaay faster than both Goku and Vegeta.
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I'm so glad this isn't canon :)
They should've gave GT more episodes and made it the main timeline.
what is the song involved in this fight, please let me know
I don't remember any of this. Alternate ending?
Nope
One of the reason I prefer vegeta from super by far, gt vegeta is trash, he is so weak he didn't even reach ssj4 by himself and need assist, atleast vegeta (from super) got his blue form by training, still have his word to say in fight at this level and get some shine like when he kick black ass, manage to get a clean hit on jiren, defeat toppo god of destruction mode and even unlock a form who put him equal to goku ssb kaioken x20
What gt vegeta has do in gt except getting his ass kicked and being irrelevant
Goku didn't reach SS4 by himself either. First he looked up at the full earth and transformed into True Super Saiyan 1 aka Golden Oozaru.
Second Goku wasn't able to Transform from Golden Oozaru to SS4 at will like Vegeta was able to. Goku needed Pan to Transform from Golden Oozaru to SS4.
I mean Goku didn't train to unlock Golden Oozaru or SS4 either....
Dragon Ball Super RUINED Vegeta's character.
In Dragon Ball Super, not only does Vegeta get his ass kicked a lot and has never beat a major villain, but even if he has a few wins against minor characters, they made him an absolute bitch that sucks Beerus's dick at every turn. They went against the flow of the proudest character in the series. It's like a poorly written fanfiction. The Vegeta we grew up with from Dragon Ball Z would NEVER, ever act like the clown in Dragon Ball Super. He's used for comic relief in the most vile manners.
GT Vegeta at least kept his pride.
1:45 😂😂
and ssj4 is stronger than ssb right?vegeta got his ass whipped in both forms,so who can honestly tell?!
Ssj4 vegeta didnt get time to improve the form like goku and in the context of this fight has lost a considerable about of energy due to the fight prior to
Vegeta using Instant Transmission
Nah he’s just moving fast
He's the Lion King, since his father died so he's technically a king xP
Damn i forgot about this part
Vegeta wouldn't last again Ice Shenron either if he was brought back by Omega Shenron
What episode is this exactly 🤔
Damn Vegeta and Nuova could have had abadass fight. Missed opportunity
Assalamualaikum,
What does nova say at the start I can't work it out
is this a real scene in gt or
?
If this was in DBZ, Nova wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds.
How?
IDK how SSJ4 even exist on that time.
Lol these casual kids, 1 vegeta was tired here, 2 nouva had a boost, 3 goku ended ice, who was dominating nouva, in 1 punch while being blind. So stuf already
Nice
what episode was this?
I thought Nova Shenron was a good guy. I happen?
he was never a good guy
he just loved the thrill of fighting, wanting a fair fight against an opponent he knows that'll give him a tough fight
so he has sort of the saiyan pride
he is a good dragon( what ever he is)
Nova had a connection with Goku because he represented the four star ball.
good examples
Who would win baby or ss4 vegeta
baby Itself was low level power alone like baby has ssj1 power... but when he possesed vegita he Is one of the strongest villain on dragonball series.
One of the few reasons what I hate out of GT
Can you try that again in english please?
ssj4 Goku is NOT Stronger than Vegeta... Maybe a little. But we as fans all know he's getting his ass whooped because GT is gokus story.
I'm just glad at least we got a ssj4 Vegeta.
Fusion dance requires the participants have the same power level and I don't remember goku lowering his power level when they fused into Gogeta...
@@SCHMALLZZZ exactly my point!! Goku absorbed power from 4 other saiyans to make a full power SsJ4, vegeta transformed and was already on his level. Yeah Goku fought a lil before vegeta showed up but like I said he absorbed saiyan power too
for one thing gokus base form is far stronger than Vegetas so even if they both received the ss4 power increase isn't obvious Goku will still be much stronger than Vegeta. not to mention Goku surpassed his limits.
And guess what? Nuova was still faster so why are they complaining?
Fusion dance requires the participants to have the same power level. Ergo SS4 Goku and SS4 Vegeta have the same power level.
@@SCHMALLZZZ This is not how the Metamoran fusion dance works. It is true that the two fusees must have the same power level before fusing, but Goku and Vegeta lower their power levels before fusing so that they will be equal, and will thus be able to become Gogeta.
GT did my boy dirty hate GT man hate it with a passion
they are so unfair to vegeta
hOw
I had never seen this before