Hey Allec, me again, I just want to say thank you for aviation sticking with me to the 2nd grade. My first video on your channel was the Flash Airlines flight 604, was really interested and began to watch more and more of your videos, its taught me more about aviation and airline crashes. Am now in 8th grade, going to highschool to combine electrical engineering with aviaton, or become a professional soccer player. Thank you for making all of that possible. NotPanzer
That was a shockingly infuriating crash, but an excellent video as always. In a plane that small I’d imagine the forward passengers might even have been able to hear the stick shaker.
Universal background check plus centralized database should be mandatory for all jobs that involve safeguarding other people's lives. Pilots, captains of ships, transit, public safety, etc. This prevents unqualified people from moving on to the another job that they aren't qualified for.
@@sarahalbers5555the problem there is that hospitals often sweep bad doctors under the rug, do not give a bad credential. Almost as if they are happy said healthcare professional is now someone else's problem. That mentality of just giving a letter of recommendation to get rid of someone is the biggest issue imo.
I find it very frustrating that it took four aviation tragedies, including this one, for pilot background checks to become stricter, when they should have been incredibly strict to start with. Also, it baffles me how the Captain got any job as a pilot based on how employers and colleagues described him.
If I’m remembering right, part of the problem was that a former employer of a pilot wouldn’t give out information aside from confirming that he worked there, for fear of being sued.
That is the case with any large corporation these days. Dates of employment only. Which is why the follow up question, “would you rehire?” is both legal and limits liability.
1) If you have an engine failure on approach that low.. you don’t go missed… you just land it. Wx was well above minimums. 2) Engine failure is always followed by following actions: Control (yaw, roll, pitch, airspeed and track), Power (on operative engine to maximum or as required for configuration or phase of flight), Drag (gear, flaps, speed brakes/spoilers retracted), Identify (which engine has failed), Verify (the failed engine by response to power lever or by instruments), Feather (prop on inoperative engine). In a two-crew environment this is done by the pilot monitoring after confirmation of each action by the pilot flying. 3) Go around.. single or multi engine, is always done by retracting flaps as per airspeed (either full up with approach speed or partially up if slowed down to ref or landing speed) and gear up after positive rate. Had they done any of these, the plane wouldn’t have crashed.
As soon as I heard the stick shaker, I knew in my heart that this was going to be far from a happy ending. It was a tad less sad than I anticipated, but much too sad nonetheless. Bothers me quite a bit that preventable tragedies like this occur and have occurred.
It looks like the pilots lives for sure in the crash animatiom, but that control panel was broke free and the nosewheel undercarriage was thrusted up into the cockpit, jammimg the cockpit door. The pilots literally imploded.
@@tma-1704 Maybe, but it makes little sense to get on a plane in Greensboro, fly to Raleigh, only to catch another plane to elsewhere. It is a very quick drive from Greensboro to Raleigh. I've done it hundreds of times.
This was almost 40 years ago. The commute along I-40 may not have been as seamless as it is today. I-40 in North Carolina had only been completed 4 years earlier. It is highly likely that it was a 4 lane highway back in those times compared to the 8 lanes today in some sections. Speed limits were also lower back then. Regardless, there was enough demand to make this route economically viable for the airline so it must have made sense.
There’s a park that walk around after going to the library near my house and the park actually has a monument of these crashes. I’m in the Raleigh Durham area.
@@hudspaceIt's indecision under stress which confuses the mind thus the action. That's why as a Chief Pilot I used several techniques just after take off to see how the student would react; never do it on a student pilot in early training because you may get the surprise!
I had a memorable flight on American Eagle between D/FW and Wichita Falls one night. I got off the plane from Houston Hobby and walked to Gate 1. Those days you walked to the aircraft from Gate 1. To the northwest, I could see lightning. What followed was a hour flight in the worst turbulence I have ever experienced. We flew at 6,000 feet, I was sitting in seat 2A with an excellent view of the cockpit (red on the weather radar), and I got to hear the wind shear alarms in a real world experience. This was in the 90s, so the cockpit was separated from the cabin by a curtain. I did not fly that route again until AE upgraded to Embraer jets. We see many videos with poorly trained AE (or any small commuter companies operating for American, Delta, or United)pilots. Rest assured there are also some topnotch ones out there, too.
The culture of "let's sue!" really brings on these kinds of tragedies. Companies are afraid to do bg checks for fear of being sued. This was 1994. Still in effect now: name dropping Atlas Air just a few years ago.
It's also the year Federal Express Flight 705 was involved in an attempted suicide hijacking for insurance fraud when the three pilots onboard fought against Auburn Calloway a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal at a hearing scheduled for the following day for having lied about his flight hours.
@@Dilberto88 I read he was a great guy, sorry that happened. What was so bad was American Airlines trying to cover up the fact those planes weren't safe to fly in icy weather.
I’ve watched dozens of these flight disaster videos and I’ve never heard of anyone surviving crashes at that speed, which had to be in excess of 300mph if they were in fact descending at 10K ft per second prior to impact. I’m not a religious person but that can only be described as a miracle.
What surprised me is that he didn't feel a loss of power or experience yaw, he simply saw a warning light, not an issue 4 miles from the runway. All of his actions were based on panic, and none of them were correct.
He had problems with single engine missed approaches? Well, you train the hell out of him in the sim until he freaking gets it right, or you fire his butt. That's in addition to a proper BG check.
Poor flight and systems training was a big contributor to this accident. All they had to do was push the nose down and continue on the glideslop to an uneventful landing.
what a terrible horrific accident. 1 reason I quit flying, how do I know the guy in front is really qualified to safely fly and safeguard passengers lifes they are entrusted with. as for me, I will stay home
I wondered why the airspeed kept dropping even after lowering the nose and increasing power to max. Then it was explained at the end of the video that he only applied max power to one engine and never retracted the flaps or put the gear up. First officer had it figured out but it was too late.
I cannot fathom why the Captain decided to go around. Any pilot who suffered or thought they suffered and engine failure while on final approach would want to get the plane onto the ground.
I’m wondering if this was the crash I chased when it happened. It was raining very hard that night and it crashed right near Penny Road. Sad that there were enough that I can’t distinguish!
At Newark in the 80's, in a temporary jetway connector between two terminals during construction, its 300ft long and amplifies the sound of footsteps, as were standing there at one end a guy with two big suitcases is running to catch a plane at the other end, and he's booking it... he looks like a !ocomotive coming at us with this thundering noise as he gets closer...and oh shit .. its Jack Palance !!!
Despite the recommmendations, no changes have been made, so they hire pilots regardless of whether they're pro or even have past failures and issues from collegues😔
Someone in HR dropped the ball on this one and it resulted in fatalities. How could a company, especially an airline not do a background check? Another preventable accident unfortunately.
That's why I like my "50+ year old White Guy" pilots when I fly for some reason... Has nothing to do with ageism or racism, just survivalism : ) Thank You for another great video Allec!!!
Wow! From the pictures of the crash site it's hard to believe that anyone survived!
Thank you for making, my sister was one of the victims of this flight.
Hey Allec, me again, I just want to say thank you for aviation sticking with me to the 2nd grade. My first video on your channel was the Flash Airlines flight 604, was really interested and began to watch more and more of your videos, its taught me more about aviation and airline crashes. Am now in 8th grade, going to highschool to combine electrical engineering with aviaton, or become a professional soccer player. Thank you for making all of that possible.
NotPanzer
That was a shockingly infuriating crash, but an excellent video as always. In a plane that small I’d imagine the forward passengers might even have been able to hear the stick shaker.
Universal background check plus centralized database should be mandatory for all jobs that involve safeguarding other people's lives. Pilots, captains of ships, transit, public safety, etc. This prevents unqualified people from moving on to the another job that they aren't qualified for.
Health care professionals also.
Agreed ! .
Totally agree and imagine the same background checks were mandatory for politicians sending young men to war..
@@sarahalbers5555the problem there is that hospitals often sweep bad doctors under the rug, do not give a bad credential. Almost as if they are happy said healthcare professional is now someone else's problem.
That mentality of just giving a letter of recommendation to get rid of someone is the biggest issue imo.
I find it very frustrating that it took four aviation tragedies, including this one, for pilot background checks to become stricter, when they should have been incredibly strict to start with. Also, it baffles me how the Captain got any job as a pilot based on how employers and colleagues described him.
It's called, laziness, and or not caring enough.
@@kevinmalone3210 American Eagle has been added to my Enemies List
If I’m remembering right, part of the problem was that a former employer of a pilot wouldn’t give out information aside from confirming that he worked there, for fear of being sued.
This has been the case in more than a few bad pilots. Atlas Air co pilot, for example.
That is the case with any large corporation these days. Dates of employment only.
Which is why the follow up question, “would you rehire?” is both legal and limits liability.
@@BLACKMONGOOSE13 Yes, that's the appropriate question.
@@BLACKMONGOOSE13The question is legal but that still doesn’t change the fact that the answer can result in litigation.
@@banjo2019Anything can result in a lawsuit, but asking a legal question should not be a tort.
I was sitting here thinking "what are the engine instruments telling you about number one?" and "get rid of the flaps/clean up the airframe." Sigh.
1) If you have an engine failure on approach that low.. you don’t go missed… you just land it. Wx was well above minimums.
2) Engine failure is always followed by following actions: Control (yaw, roll, pitch, airspeed and track), Power (on operative engine to maximum or as required for configuration or phase of flight), Drag (gear, flaps, speed brakes/spoilers retracted), Identify (which engine has failed), Verify (the failed engine by response to power lever or by instruments), Feather (prop on inoperative engine). In a two-crew environment this is done by the pilot monitoring after confirmation of each action by the pilot flying.
3) Go around.. single or multi engine, is always done by retracting flaps as per airspeed (either full up with approach speed or partially up if slowed down to ref or landing speed) and gear up after positive rate.
Had they done any of these, the plane wouldn’t have crashed.
It's a wonder anyone survived that!
As soon as I heard the stick shaker, I knew in my heart that this was going to be far from a happy ending. It was a tad less sad than I anticipated, but much too sad nonetheless. Bothers me quite a bit that preventable tragedies like this occur and have occurred.
Why?
It looks like the pilots lives for sure in the crash animatiom, but that control panel was broke free and the nosewheel undercarriage was thrusted up into the cockpit, jammimg the cockpit door. The pilots literally imploded.
Maybe there is a reason someone would fly from Greensboro to Raleigh on a commercial flight, but the driving distance is less than an hour.
Came here for this comment…wondering the same thing.
It was probably a connecting flight to somewhere else.
@@tma-1704 Maybe, but it makes little sense to get on a plane in Greensboro, fly to Raleigh, only to catch another plane to elsewhere. It is a very quick drive from Greensboro to Raleigh. I've done it hundreds of times.
This was almost 40 years ago. The commute along I-40 may not have been as seamless as it is today. I-40 in North Carolina had only been completed 4 years earlier. It is highly likely that it was a 4 lane highway back in those times compared to the 8 lanes today in some sections. Speed limits were also lower back then. Regardless, there was enough demand to make this route economically viable for the airline so it must have made sense.
American flies KGSO to KCLT on mainline aircraft!
There’s a park that walk around after going to the library near my house and the park actually has a monument of these crashes. I’m in the Raleigh Durham area.
If you're 4 miles from the airport and an engine light comes on, I say, land the plane... just land.
I was thinking the same thing. You’re on final, why so quick to go missed. Get the plane on the ground.
@@hudspaceIt's indecision under stress which confuses the mind thus the action. That's why as a Chief Pilot I used several techniques just after take off to see how the student would react; never do it on a student pilot in early training because you may get the surprise!
Great Job, as usual. Thx Allec
I had a memorable flight on American Eagle between D/FW and Wichita Falls one night. I got off the plane from Houston Hobby and walked to Gate 1. Those days you walked to the aircraft from Gate 1. To the northwest, I could see lightning. What followed was a hour flight in the worst turbulence I have ever experienced. We flew at 6,000 feet, I was sitting in seat 2A with an excellent view of the cockpit (red on the weather radar), and I got to hear the wind shear alarms in a real world experience. This was in the 90s, so the cockpit was separated from the cabin by a curtain. I did not fly that route again until AE upgraded to Embraer jets. We see many videos with poorly trained AE (or any small commuter companies operating for American, Delta, or United)pilots. Rest assured there are also some topnotch ones out there, too.
The culture of "let's sue!" really brings on these kinds of tragedies. Companies are afraid to do bg checks for fear of being sued. This was 1994. Still in effect now: name dropping Atlas Air just a few years ago.
1994 a bad year for US aviation, the worst one being the Roselawn, IN crash. I believe 68 killed in that one.
Yes, many non-aviation passengers in the US really started not to want to fly on turboprop and smaller aircraft at all.
It's also the year Federal Express Flight 705 was involved in an attempted suicide hijacking for insurance fraud when the three pilots onboard fought against Auburn Calloway a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal at a hearing scheduled for the following day for having lied about his flight hours.
Yes, I lost my classmate in that fatal accident: Captain Orlando Aguiar. American Eagle 4184.
@@Dilberto88 I read he was a great guy, sorry that happened. What was so bad was American Airlines trying to cover up the fact those planes weren't safe to fly in icy weather.
@@muffs55mercury61This wasn’t well known at the time this accident occurred.
Astonishing incompetence and hubris.
When hubris is so extreme that you kill yourself
I’ve watched dozens of these flight disaster videos and I’ve never heard of anyone surviving crashes at that speed, which had to be in excess of 300mph if they were in fact descending at 10K ft per second prior to impact.
I’m not a religious person but that can only be described as a miracle.
yeah especially for the 13 dead passengers and the 2 dead pilots....🙄
Cpt. Hilliebillie never should have become a captain in the first place.
If I was judged by my employer as incompetent as this guy was, I would look for another field of endeavor.
The plane sounds like a big swarm of bees
Feel sorry for the 1st officer...
Yeah, snuffed out at 25yo
What surprised me is that he didn't feel a loss of power or experience yaw, he simply saw a warning light, not an issue 4 miles from the runway. All of his actions were based on panic, and none of them were correct.
Love your content brother thanks
He had problems with single engine missed approaches? Well, you train the hell out of him in the sim until he freaking gets it right, or you fire his butt. That's in addition to a proper BG check.
Another good video , shows that you can never bee to careful when hiring a Crew foer such a demanding job .
How do some of these pilots become captains? They must know somebody
Well, that (de)escalated quickly
My favorite part of all these videos is when the subject aircraft executes a long banking turn
a.k.a the death turn
Aviate! Navigate. Communicate.. My condolences to all, including the survivors “with serious injuries”. It must be a tough.
Poor flight and systems training was a big contributor to this accident. All they had to do was push the nose down and continue on the glideslop to an uneventful landing.
Another great video!
Who in their right mind thought that this guy could be called a captain?
what a terrible horrific accident. 1 reason I quit flying, how do I know the guy in front is really qualified to safely fly and safeguard passengers lifes they are entrusted with. as for me, I will stay home
Do you drive an auto; much more dangerous. These uninformed options frighten some.
That's really illogical. Seems like a trauma issue.
Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?
I wondered why the airspeed kept dropping even after lowering the nose and increasing power to max. Then it was explained at the end of the video that he only applied max power to one engine and never retracted the flaps or put the gear up. First officer had it figured out but it was too late.
Flight 3378 also crashed nearby 6 years earlier. Creepy.
Soothing music for such a trajedy RIP
I cannot fathom why the Captain decided to go around. Any pilot who suffered or thought they suffered and engine failure while on final approach would want to get the plane onto the ground.
There is also another animation of this, made by Smithsonian, u can see the animations at Plane N Boom
There has to be something wrong with you, if you actually believe you can fly an aircraft, and be as incompetent as this Capt was.
I’m wondering if this was the crash I chased when it happened. It was raining very hard that night and it crashed right near Penny Road. Sad that there were enough that I can’t distinguish!
Sheesh, after all that, he was able to remain a Captain. There’s no demotion to First Officer when you switch airlines?
At Newark in the 80's, in a temporary jetway connector between two terminals during construction, its 300ft long and amplifies the sound of footsteps, as were standing there at one end a guy with two big suitcases is running to catch a plane at the other end, and he's booking it... he looks like a !ocomotive coming at us with this thundering noise as he gets closer...and oh shit .. its Jack Palance !!!
*Confidence.*
No one cares. Literally.
Neither do, I in regards to you that is
i@@paulu7751
the guy looked exactly like a locomotive@@kurtkensson2059
Unbelievable!
Wooooo next video is copa airlines flight 201 which is my request
Agreed!
Unfortunately, some people have the benefit of the doubt 😢 in this society that we live in. I'll leave it at that 🚫🙏😪
Do the Jetstreamengines really sound like that? How could anyone stand to fly in that cockpit for more than a couple of minutes?
Despite the recommmendations, no changes have been made, so they hire pilots regardless of whether they're pro or even have past failures and issues from collegues😔
Well, they could have fired him or he could have learned to apply full power.
Criminal negligence.
Hey, where the Air Crash Investigation clip go. It's supposed to be here ~~~. 😭
Hollow white letters are hard to read.
Please do China Airlines Flight 611.
You don't often see two kids flying. Neither one has reached 30 years old and neither had that many miles of experience. Not a good pairing.
People not doing their job. Captain Hillis sent it into the hills.
Such a waste…very sad.
Someone in HR dropped the ball on this one and it resulted in fatalities. How could a company, especially an airline not do a background check? Another preventable accident unfortunately.
Can't waite for the DEI polits to start flying.
Already are, and percentage-wise, most crashes, incidents/accidents and flubs in aviation are WHITE men. Check your facts.
Oh nuts, that might become a hazard
That's why I like my "50+ year old White Guy" pilots when I fly for some reason... Has nothing to do with ageism or racism, just survivalism : ) Thank You for another great video Allec!!!
Sexism for sure on your part.
Racism for sure as well. You are a deplorable individual.
@@jl3322 Not really. Men are better pilots.
@@mph1ish, more men (percentage-wise) cause aircraft accidents and crashes. Get your facts straight, misogynist.
@@mph1ishDumb remark 😞
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I'm with XxRoach two comments below. These two pilots had little more than 50 years between them. Kids flying planes are disasters waiting to happen.
You aren't very old yourself or you wouldn't make that remark! Think WWll and the millions of young pilots that won an air war😊
Finally some deaths, was getting boring.
1st
What a bozo captain.
When the Woke History Channel makes a movie about this, the pilots will be black women.
?????
cool story bro
That assumes history is changed and the flight recovers.
No because that would make black women look bad. Maybe just the First Officer.
Dumbest comment today on the internet. Biggest (percentage-wise) crashes and accidents/incidents are white men. Check your facts.
Recommendations written in blood. Back then, there was lots of incompetence. Kindof like now. German wings come to mind. Sad 😢