LOSS of CONTROL! The Incredible Story of Delta Airlines Flight 1086

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2023
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    You know that feeling you get when you know that you have to perform at the absolute best, the feeling of soul determination, but also maybe some nervousness about not screwing up. Well, certain conditions can make pilots feel exactly that same way. And when you add on unreliable weather reports on an aircraft design feature working opposite to how it should, unpleasant things can start to happen. Stay tuned...
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    Final Report:
    www.ntsb.gov/investigations/A...
    Incident Recommendations
    mentourpilot.com/delta-air-li...
    F-16: Master Sgt. Andy Dunaway
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General...
    T-38 Talon
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northro...
    Boeing 737
    skyteamvirtual.org/fleet/mode...
    Boeing 727: Golftwo
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_A...
    E2C Hawkeye: US Navy
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northro...
    MD-88 video: Anton’s Aviation Videos
    • Delta MD-88 landing on...
    Washington Air Route Traffic Control Center
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washing...
    Surface Friction Tester
    • SARSYS Friction Tester...
    • ASFT Octavia Surface F...
    Crash 1: Reuters
    nypost.com/2015/03/05/delta-p...
    Crash 2: Leonard J. DeFrancisci
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_A...
    Crash 3: Twitter
    www.businessinsider.com/a-pla...
    Crash 4: Jim Roberts
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    Crash Video: NTSB
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  • @MentourPilot
    @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +156

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    • @charisselinnell-morton4137
      @charisselinnell-morton4137 5 месяцев назад +4

      I think you should do a video on the crash of Pacific Western Airlines in British Columbia,Canada… it’s a very interesting case of weather conditions and lack of communication that could have been avoided . Swiss cheese 🧀 model example 😊

    • @adrianishtar0
      @adrianishtar0 5 месяцев назад

      It's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements.
      Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.

    • @mattbonacci4950
      @mattbonacci4950 5 месяцев назад +2

      This guy is BORING BORING BORING

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +65

      @@ethanswimmer1287Sorry to hear that you think so but you’ll be happy to hear that the community is doing fine and growing quicker than ever.
      So have a merry Christmas and go check out those other channels, there are always Cliff-notes you can read instead of books and that suits some people.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +60

      @@mattbonacci4950then go and watch something else my friend.
      Merry Christmas

  • @liambassitt5919
    @liambassitt5919 27 дней назад +157

    I was on this flight. when we evacuated the aircraft, the pilots were the last ones out and they were nothing but apologetic. The flight attendants came up to each and every single person to ask how they were doing and each of the pilots explained to us what happened. As weird as this may sound it kind of made me a lifetime Delta Airlines flyer because I feel that they are an airline that cherishes and takes pride in the intelligence and the compassion and the professionalism of their employees

    • @blackhawk3777
      @blackhawk3777 16 дней назад +5

      Good to hear 👍

    • @lisafullmer2684
      @lisafullmer2684 14 дней назад +4

      Oh bless your heart for go😅ng through this!! ❤❤❤

    • @cherriberri8373
      @cherriberri8373 6 дней назад +5

      I'm happy you were able to recognize that one crash doesn't necessarily mean the entire airline is unsafe/untrustworthy. It could. But it doesn't always even have to do with the airline itself.
      But what a terrible situation to have to go through, either way. Glad you are still here with us to share the story :D

    • @kdawson020279
      @kdawson020279 6 дней назад +5

      Professionalism in a crisis is a hallmark of excellent training and experience. We act how we train, which is why the same event can have drastically different outcomes if you change the person to another equally qualified person who learned a different style. It does speak well of them that they took care of you to the best of their ability. I still think about the fact that the late David Koch (yes, that David Koch, brother of Charles, hometown people to the Air Capital) was in the crash where a flight landed on top of an aircraft on landing due to an ATC mistake, and was in the episode of Mayday about it. Always interesting to get the perspective of the people who were sitting behind the flight deck, whether or not they own the company that makes the paper towels in any given washroom, anongst other world domination goals. 😂

    • @KillingurAccountant
      @KillingurAccountant 4 дня назад +1

      Sometimes even if a pilot does everything right theres times that they cant prevent everything. The bad weather, slippery run way, and reverse thrust preventing them from being able to use the rudder made it impossible to stop ot from going left off the run way. I mean it seemed like the crew actually did everything in the moment but it wasnt enough to keep it from going off. I mean it reminds me of hydroplaning on a freeway and you try to turn the wheel in the opposite direction but it keeps going towards the side you dont want it to

  • @georgemartin1436
    @georgemartin1436 5 месяцев назад +714

    NO LOSS OF LIFE; my favorite type of Mentour video.

    • @kitsuneprincess4637
      @kitsuneprincess4637 3 месяца назад +21

      Not only that, but no major injuries either!

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 3 месяца назад +3

      georgemartin1436 absolutely, it may all together been another outcome.

    • @robertgantry2118
      @robertgantry2118 3 месяца назад +3

      People suck, so it makes no difference to me.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 2 месяца назад +2

      georgemartin1436 absolutely, since this flight was coming from a warmer location, believe it was Florida that the flight departed from. Unfortunately the flight crew were not given an update on existing weather as they were approaching New York. They were going with metrologicical findings that were few hours old, not current. Its a blessing that they were able to land craft in such weather. No casualties other than the craft. In hindsight, they could have gone into flushing bay, saying that the cockpit was extending out toward the bay. Its seems that the barrier of rocks held the craft back rather than a dunking into the bay.

    • @Heitzsche
      @Heitzsche Месяц назад +7

      ​@@robertgantry2118How edgy

  • @judydouglas9283
    @judydouglas9283 Месяц назад +85

    Hubby is 91 and I’m 75. We thoroughly enjoy your videos. Yes, at times they are technical but we enjoy that - we learn. Thank you.

    • @zogzog1063
      @zogzog1063 20 дней назад

      Nice to hear Judy - as a young puppy (65) I absolutely love to hear your word 'learn'. Best wishes from NZ.

    • @theweekthatis
      @theweekthatis 14 дней назад +1

      Always time to learn!

  • @engrpas
    @engrpas 3 месяца назад +95

    The one thing I admire about the aviation industry is that every incident and accident results in assessing and disseminating the subsequent "lessons learned" so such an accident will not happen again. I worked the last four decades of my career in aviation, and we kept a "lessons learned" database that we consulted every time we began design of a new product, to make sure we don't repeat a prior mistake.
    Such lessons learned are in fact practiced throughout the aviation industry, and in my opinion that constant attention to safety is what makes aviation just about the safest form or transportation.

    • @rohesilmnelohe
      @rohesilmnelohe Месяц назад +4

      Not just "just about", de facto safest...
      Unless you're flying aeroflot

    • @LockhartSpain
      @LockhartSpain 23 дня назад +2

      Agreed. It's something that I try to apply to life in general.

    • @L3ggZ84
      @L3ggZ84 5 дней назад +1

      It's a lot like my industry as well. I operate heavy machinery in a surface mine and they say every time we get a new SOP (standard operating procedures), it's because someone lost their life. Hate that that's how it is, but some lessons are learned the hard way.

  • @ngwoo
    @ngwoo 5 месяцев назад +1249

    It's definitely a bad day when someone can walk up and knock on the cockpit window

    • @IngoSchwarze
      @IngoSchwarze 5 месяцев назад +62

      The animation looked like, and the explanation sounded like, it was less "walking" than scramling over boulders or talus...
      Then again, that does not make it any better, really. 😞

    • @reicherosterreicher3486
      @reicherosterreicher3486 4 месяца назад +12

      @ngwoo
      Thats a matter of fact 😂😂😂😂

    • @jimmyryan5880
      @jimmyryan5880 4 месяца назад +165

      You can't park here mate

    • @lunamoonamoonlight
      @lunamoonamoonlight 4 месяца назад +46

      LOL IM DYING READING THESE COMMENTS
      mate this parking space is for disabled planes only XD
      Edit: FBI OPEN UP vibes there 😂😂😂

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +12

      Unfortunately, you perhaps do not want anyone, even the fire service, knocking on your window. The crew/cabin/passengers come out this experience w/no injuries. Overall everything worked out fine, even though the aircraft was written off. The worse case is that they may have have not stopped when they did. They perhaps may have had a dunking into the bay. Since the cockpit was past the rocks looking into the cold waters of flushing bay. Thank goodness that all went well.

  • @TGraysChannels
    @TGraysChannels 5 месяцев назад +317

    Twenty Five thousand hours, and, I learn from your videos. YOU help me keep my passengers safe.

  • @katego370
    @katego370 4 месяца назад +31

    The insane multitasking, decision-making, and problem-solving skills needed in fractions of seconds in this kind of emergency is positively extra-human. These pilots had to do _so much_ right in mere instants and even with good CRM, experience, skill, relatively decent procedures, a perfectly functional aircraft, and a snow team that was doing their best, they still ended up crashing. It's one of those perfect storm situations that rely on a million factors coming together for any of it to be a problem.

  • @dcxplant
    @dcxplant 4 месяца назад +330

    A note about tailwinds. Major airports hate changing runways, and will run with a tailwind until the majority of pilots refuse the landing, then reluctantly they will change runways. I'm talking to you LGA and DCA..... This is an increasing threat. DCA is notorious for this. Thanks to this video, I'm going to start the APU on final during challenging approaches.

    • @Fay7666
      @Fay7666 4 месяца назад +23

      Instead of starting the APU which would only be on marginal help in case of a crash, wouldn't it be best to just reject and not crash?

    • @Benji-jj2bg
      @Benji-jj2bg 4 месяца назад +34

      @@Fay7666 always want to be prepared for whatever challenges come your way. Even the ones your actively trying to avoid.

    • @darralynemunro7350
      @darralynemunro7350 4 месяца назад +13

      LAX also does this and is often reluctant to initiate reverse ops

    • @ttystikkrocks1042
      @ttystikkrocks1042 3 месяца назад +10

      I really think the tailwind was a decisive factor in this accident, as it erased what was left of the runway safety margin after accounting for extra fuel and runway conditions, leading to the understandable overuse of reverse thrust.

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 3 месяца назад +12

      Thank you! LGA and especially DCA, both of which have relatively short runways, are extremely reluctant to change their configuration. NYC airspace does complicate this decision, but LGA can be an absolute mess in the winter.
      Someone mentioned LAX, and that’s true, but the LAX runways are all long and normally dry. I’d rather have a headwind, but normally LAX is landing west and winds are normally not a huge issue. SLC can be a terrible operation in the winter as they have rapidly changing winds with reversals on final sometimes followed by landing on a very slippery runway. DEN is very unpredictable despite having all the runways.

  • @ikhlasulkamal5245
    @ikhlasulkamal5245 5 месяцев назад +1780

    The pilots were such a pro, the FO was always aware and focused . and that "Big Mistake" was actually reasonable considering his concern about the landing distance.

    • @mahadevparmekar2565
      @mahadevparmekar2565 5 месяцев назад +231

      The two planes that landed before them, didn't have control issues due to rear mounted engines.
      So, the problems these pilots faced were unique to their aircraft.
      It's unfortunate. That's why mentor said that pilot assessment is often subjective. It not only depends on pilots subjective assessment, but also on the plane they are flying.

    • @ajg617
      @ajg617 5 месяцев назад +81

      Have to wonder if the aircraft would have stopped before end of runway had it not slid along the retaining wall.

    • @aesaphyr
      @aesaphyr 5 месяцев назад +100

      ​@@mahadevparmekar2565 The two planes that landed before were another MD-88 and a CRJ-701 according to Mentour's video so they were both rear-mounted engines (if I understand your reply correctly) same as this plane.
      From what I'm reading, the final report into the accident does say that the flight data recorder shows that braking action was actually reasonable, although obviously the captain had no way of knowing that when he saw a white runway and initially touched down.

    • @nzriot
      @nzriot 5 месяцев назад +52

      Yeah, mistakes can be made when under runway pressure... and in the worst conditions. I feel like they should have played the safety first card when they saw the runway covered in snow, and simply aborted and flown to their alternative destination.

    • @adrianishtar0
      @adrianishtar0 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@mahadevparmekar2565it's odd that the agency would go from a direct measurement of braking action to a 'best guess' from pilots (who have an incentive to optimistically report it). I suspect the real reason is that the measurement system reported 'poor' braking action in situations where the pilot or airline would have typically risked attempting a landing. This forced the pilot to divert thereby costing the airline money. So the airline lobbied against the direct measurement system. Direct measurements are almost always better for this kind of thing. I know they are developing a 'better' measurement system, but in the mean time it would almost certainly be better to use some form of direct measurements. Same thing with the thrust reverse detent system. It wasn't perfect so they got rid of it leaving pilots with an even worse alternative method. Why? The detent system might not get a perfect 1.3 EGR but it would almost certainly not let the EGR get to 2.0 like the pilots did. So basically they made the situation worse for the pilots. Bizarre how these supposedly highly skilled committees make decisions that are clearly poorly thought out.

  • @MikeStar2000
    @MikeStar2000 5 месяцев назад +357

    I loved when you said that the two pilots were getting along really well and you had them nodding at each other entusiastically in the cockpit at the same time at 4:56 😂

    • @thrillvilled111
      @thrillvilled111 5 месяцев назад +18

      The video quality is stunning!

    • @bob_mosavo
      @bob_mosavo 5 месяцев назад +38

      Not only that, they were transparent ghosts 👻👻

    • @kamakaziozzie3038
      @kamakaziozzie3038 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@bob_mosavo 😄👍

    • @CHUCKSCHUMACHER
      @CHUCKSCHUMACHER 5 месяцев назад

      Foreshadowing 😮​@@bob_mosavo

    • @JaneXemylixa
      @JaneXemylixa 5 месяцев назад +20

      I love this video game protagonist acting. Gives it a bit of levity

  • @MandoMonge
    @MandoMonge 4 месяца назад +21

    A few things to point out about the airmanship and resilience of the crew was to shut down the engines, use his phone to call dispatcher and think outside the box. Honestly, I cannot trust any of the pilots I fly with to even think on anything like this. Hats off to the FO

    • @jcheck6
      @jcheck6 4 месяца назад +8

      @@K1OIK Grow up!

    • @spasgeorgiev6909
      @spasgeorgiev6909 День назад

      I believe that even if you have this particular FO, you would not notice his skills with your lack of trust in your team member.

  • @michaelhanson5773
    @michaelhanson5773 4 месяца назад +38

    it amazes me how much pilots need to know about the different aircrafts... it also amazes me how something like the reverse thrust stuff can be designed and signed off on when it can make handling of the aircraft impossible... its like they design things, build it, find out it doesn't work properly then just decide to issue a bulletin saying don't use it as it is intended and everyone is okay with it... i am not a pilot... my hats off to everyone that flies planes...

  • @ScoutSniper3124
    @ScoutSniper3124 5 месяцев назад +504

    Both Pilots were among the best possible and had thousands upon thousands of hours of experience, but THIS will be the ONE landing they will ALWAYS be remembered for.

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 5 месяцев назад +75

      Yes - and even at this ONE Landing they performed well all-in-all. The Aircraft was damaged beyond repair, yes, but everybody on board could walk away on his own feets - probably not all Pilots would have been able to handle such an accident with such an outcome.

    • @Shyndree
      @Shyndree 4 месяца назад +49

      If I was on that flight or had family on it, I would definitely remember forever that they kept all souls safe in that situation. It wasn't just down to luck, the report makes it clear that it was their effective teamwork that allowed them to recover from a potentially catastrophic situation despite having to deal with design flaws that made the aircraft very dangerous in an emergency. They had seconds to react, and they managed to save everyone. it's truly remarkable. It's not the mistakes that define people, but how you recover from them, and they were absolutely great.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +12

      The weather was turning bad during the day, more snow fall than the airport plows could handle apparently. Actually the outcome of this flight turned out better than expected, all passengers were okay, even though the plane was beyond repair. Kuddos to the cockpit crew, /cabin crew.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +9

      Yes it seems after rerewiewing this video, apparently the pilots were not given an update pertaining to the weather in New York, or the condition (s) of the runway, even though the runway (s) were cared for earlier, the snow fall was accumulating, which resulted ground crews, unable to manage the runways. Overall thankful that passengers/crew no injuries.

    • @alexlents4689
      @alexlents4689 4 месяца назад +9

      That’s kinda how accidents work, unfortunately. No matter how hard and well you worked in your entire career, the one time you messed up will be what the general public remembers you for.

  • @CieloNotturno86
    @CieloNotturno86 5 месяцев назад +334

    Even though it was an actual accident, it's great to see how the first officer did exactly what the second pilot is there to do, he helped the pilot flying with an issue he came to be aware of. Runways that are this strips of land on the sea are scary, I guess whoever built the fence was extremely satisfied to know that the airplane managed to stop before falling into the water

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +14

      It can be, there are airports, that were designed around water, such as LaGuardia, Boston Logan. Its a blessing that they were able to stop the aircraft using the thrust reversers, even though the plane did lose control, veer off the centerline of the runway, continued on. They could have continued on not stopping and ending up in the bay.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 3 месяца назад +1

      Yes of course, perhaps it may have been an all together outcome. Thank goodness it wasn't. Well done to the cockpit crew. Like I said in previous comments, the crew was not given an updated metrologicical update. They did there very best, if not better . No injuries sustained, only the aircraft. They were very fortunate not to take a dunking in the bay. Sure that they not have survived, not sure what the temperature may have been. Since in had been snowing, it may have been below freezing. Thank goodness all went well.

    • @scottaustermiller2412
      @scottaustermiller2412 Месяц назад +1

      Or did the co-piot create issues? Along with no electricity, I would assume they also lost hydraulic for brakes.

    • @AccidentallyOnPurpose
      @AccidentallyOnPurpose Месяц назад +1

      I would assume there would be some hydraulic pressure still to work the brakes, even after the engine has cut. Cutting the engines likely saved them from a major fire though, since the evacuation was so botched and fuel was pouring out all over the place, had the engines still been running at all it could create a spark.

  • @VegaTheLyra
    @VegaTheLyra 2 месяца назад +20

    33:31 The cinematics here, i genuinely thought that the aircraft would be in the water in the next scene. Great work to the whole Mentour Pilot Team!

  • @aniruddhapaturkar1884
    @aniruddhapaturkar1884 4 месяца назад +155

    I think the FO did a great job at keeping situational awareness alive and reacting very quickly to the evolving circumstances ❤

    • @Biggles2498
      @Biggles2498 2 месяца назад +3

      Any First Officer no matter how junior are "Acting" Captains so take note of this.

  • @michman2
    @michman2 5 месяцев назад +192

    I was in that airport awaiting a connecting flight when this happened. My flight was canceled and I breathed a sigh of relief. I remember the commotion inside the terminal.
    Another great one Peter.

  • @thenargles
    @thenargles 5 месяцев назад +24

    "And finally... ... ...the plane stopped." You kept me hanging there!

  • @Erplane1
    @Erplane1 5 месяцев назад +8

    I read that NTSB cited pilot error. That seemed like a cop out. The pilots acted reasonably on everything including thrust reversing (adjusting accordingly within seconds of landing).

    • @joot78
      @joot78 3 месяца назад +2

      The pilot continued despite audibly registering the snow covered runway, and lost directional control because he exceeded the reverse thrust guideline. Understandable mistake, yes - but still a mistake.

  • @bros1183
    @bros1183 4 месяца назад +130

    Can’t wait for you to cover the recent Japanese airlines crash that happened today/yesterday night. I’m assuming the coast guard plane was told to line up and wait on the taxiway for clearance to takeoff, and they, through miscommunication, lined up on the runway and waiting for clearance to take off. Glad everyone from the airliner made it, and unfortunate that the coast guard people did not :/

    • @garrylarry890
      @garrylarry890 4 месяца назад +12

      I watched a news story, the guys said that plane wasn’t supposed to be on the runway. Also the Airbus A350 is supposed to be less flammable and perhaps that and only that was the reason everyone on that plane got out safely.

    • @classicalmidiorgans
      @classicalmidiorgans 4 месяца назад

      Less flammable???​@@garrylarry890

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +7

      Apparently the Airbus 350 was relatively new. Its a blessing that the crew/cabin were able to get all the passengers off, with no injuries. If there were injuries, non threating. Its great that the passengers did listen to the cabin crew, in reference to protocol for leaving the aircraft. Did here on the news that the dash 8 was asked to hold, not to cross, while the Airbus 350 was landing. So unfortunate to start of the new year. But its a blessing there were not more ingured or loss of life. According to the news the captain survived with injuries on the dash 8, unfortunately not his remaing crew members.

    • @jackyback2578
      @jackyback2578 4 месяца назад +3

      It will take a while, most likely after the final report gets released. A lot to learn from it, reminds me of the linate airport disaster quite a bit.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 4 месяца назад +1

      Yes bros, remember incident in Italy at linate airport involving a scandivian aircraft, embraer. It was very foggy, no radar, airport markings have not been done a while. The embrarer was had crossed over to an active runway. The same runway the sas airline was taking off from. So unfortunately, the fire brigade if they had responded sooner than they did. Occupants of the embrarer were still viable, but when they reached them they had passed. The sas aircraft very fortunate able to maneuver there plane away from the passenger terminal. Unfortunately all perished on that plane.

  • @Know_Your_Enemy
    @Know_Your_Enemy 5 месяцев назад +109

    What a Great way to start the weekend, With a new upload from one of the best Aviation RUclipsrs!!!!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +23

      Hope you enjoy! Thanks for being here and the lovely comment!

    • @timpost2981
      @timpost2981 5 месяцев назад +8

      The best actually

    • @alex-m-jones
      @alex-m-jones 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@MentourPilotMerry Christmas and Happy New Year, thanks for sharing!

    • @emmanueltafadzwamagwenzi7631
      @emmanueltafadzwamagwenzi7631 5 месяцев назад +4

      Mentor is not one of the best but simply the best of em all... The way he present and the research just super... Love you from Zimbabwe man

    • @ssslimey
      @ssslimey 5 месяцев назад

      Thank you sir.

  • @martinmarhold1798
    @martinmarhold1798 5 месяцев назад +60

    Wow, at some points it seemed the whole world had conspired against this crew and aircraft - nobody giving them sufficiently accurate information on the runway conditions, the left reverser deploying just a bit earlier, the left engine producing more thrust while in reverse, nobody actually noticing the accident for quite some time, the PA not working - it seemed their bad luck would never stop. Thankfully everyone made it out safely.
    Still confused about what the issue with the two infants was, though. Did they forget someone on the plane during evacuation?

    • @Code7Reactions
      @Code7Reactions 4 месяца назад +11

      I don't think it was an issue in this particular incident, however had there been massive damage or fatalities it becomes an accountability issue when looking for and finding victims and remains.

    • @MaryH-tp3ht
      @MaryH-tp3ht 4 месяца назад +1

      I had wondered about that too.

    • @raerohan4241
      @raerohan4241 Месяц назад +3

      That's how it tends to go for air accidents. Multiple things have to wrong all at once, and even then the consequences aren't always fatal (this incident being the perfect example). I've actually started feeling way safer on planes after watching this channel because of that

  • @t.s.thomas02
    @t.s.thomas02 5 месяцев назад +37

    Thank you for your very thorough review of this incident. I used to fly the MD-88 and spent many occasions flying this same flight, only most often in better conditions. You had mentioned the reverse thrust EPR limitation. You did mention it as more of a timing issue. That may have been a relevant problem but there is another aspect too. Although we were well trained in what amounted to a rather arcane matrix of EPR limits depending on friction conditions, and whether flying an MD-88 or MD-90, the biggest problem was rigging of the JT-8D’s reverse thrust system. Sometimes just getting past the detent and into reverse could get to almost instant max reverse situation. Sometimes mechanics really couldn’t find a rigging parameter that could consistently give good reverse thrust control. The MD-88 used cables to the Pratt & Whitney JT-8D’s whereas the MD-90 had a very precise FADEC system to govern the IAI v2800’s and that was the preferred airplane for LGA and DCA airports. I believe the thing that really bothered us was that this happened even though most of us would have done all the exact same things that this crew did. As a side note, I’m told that the aircraft was considered fixable, until the salvage company lifted it with their crane. Something failed causing it to drop, rendering it pretty un-salvageable at that point. I hope nobody was hurt in that. We didn’t even touch on how much the MD-88’s brakes chattered as the last few knots came off before a stop. I always found the MD-80 series to be predictable, trustworthy, great-flying, airplanes….as ground vehicles, not so much.

    • @davidpowell3347
      @davidpowell3347 4 месяца назад +1

      Maybe the FADEC system is/was the answer to the question I had about (to phrase it differently) about making the reverse thrust operation predictable,equal between the two engines if desired and even giving,if desired,the ability to use slightly asymmetric thrust as a "rudder assist" in such conditions and incidentally also allow full or nearly full engine power to be usable in reverse thrust in "panic braking" situations

    • @HEDGE1011
      @HEDGE1011 3 месяца назад +5

      Thank you for bringing this up. I’ve got ~10,000 hours in the DC-9/MD-80 and people who’ve only flown FADEC/EEC equipped aircraft cannot imagine the variability of TR deployment and spoolup in the MD-80. Not only was the physical pull required on the reverse levers WAY different from aircraft to aircraft and engine to engine, the actual deployment time (as mentioned by Mentour) was quite variable too. After they were deployed the amount of lever displacement to get them even was often dramatically different and the spoolup time was different still. I liked the MD-80 for many reasons, but reverser use on contaminated runways was NOT one of the reasons. I was a check airman for quite a while on the plane, and the amount of time spent discussing this issue represented a large portion of my IOE discussion.
      Thanks for the great reply!

    • @davidpowell3347
      @davidpowell3347 3 месяца назад +1

      I wish the late Dave Drach could be here to participate in this discussion !
      (He was an AA pilot who won a 100 mile footrace in 1990)

  • @rynovoski
    @rynovoski 5 месяцев назад +49

    Been enjoying your videos for some time now, from back in your sofa era, and some of these have even been incidents I didn't already know about. The Icelandair 757 was really interesting (and I've actually apparently been on that plane, years later). I've been flying the 757 for a bit in the simulator now and it was neat to know exactly how they did what they did before you explained it!

  • @Jacob-df5hr
    @Jacob-df5hr 5 месяцев назад +120

    Great to see the pilot monitoring so astute in diagnosing the rudder blanking and being so assertive about mentioning it.

    • @user-kb8gh5jv9t
      @user-kb8gh5jv9t 4 месяца назад +14

      The FO was very assertive which is exactly what I’m looking for when flying. The stowing of the TR’s is actually what must be done to control directional problems especially in X-wind, contaminated runway etc. conditions. The fact that the CA didn’t do it by himself just shows how much stress he was under. In high stress situations most revert to very basic actions, which in his mind was stopping the Aircraft since he noticed things were getting out of control and closing the TR’s is “counter” to what he is trying to accomplish hence he was hesitant to do it and his FO being so on top actually helped the CA regain SA and finally close them.

    • @elite76
      @elite76 4 месяца назад +3

      Great fo

  • @porthose2002
    @porthose2002 5 месяцев назад +282

    Petter, whoever is doing your animation and videography is doing a great job. it seems to me that the overall quality continuously improves as I'm seeing more and more detail over time. Kudos to you and your team for excellent work!

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад +16

      A great video as always, but they are still mislabeling the ATC controllers in the graphics. Narration is correct, but I noted all ATC being labeled as Tower. 26:22, 26:31 and 26:44 at least, which was actually Center and Approach, leaving the hold, approach clearance, and handoff to tower. In fact other if not all ATC comms are labeled as "LaGuardia Tower", even enroute comms, an hour out, which is jarring to read as a pilot. I called attention to these problems before in these videos. Hope they can fix it because it's in every video, making it a little confusing seeing the wrong controller labels and potentially relevant to some stories as to who is communicating. For pilots this is obvious and noticeable, and perpetuates the incorrect public knowledge that ATC is all Tower.

    • @alienter7517
      @alienter7517 5 месяцев назад +5

      Although the video is great. I don’t like the thumbnail at all. Have a look at it AI made it.

    • @---l---
      @---l--- 5 месяцев назад +4

      In an earlier post, Petter stated they've been testing different thumbnails. Both by the artist and by AI.

    • @alienter7517
      @alienter7517 5 месяцев назад +7

      @@---l--- I see. They should use the artist ones. The ones from AI are unnatural and weird looking. And it doesn’t look like the same aircraft

    • @PippetWhippet
      @PippetWhippet 4 месяца назад +3

      @@alienter7517 It’s awful isn’t it! I’m not against ai art, I have a disabled best friend whose only way of artistically expressing themself is with ai so I’m pro the technology in general but crucially, they don’t just enter a prompt and push out whatever it gives, they take days and even weeks on every piece, painstakingly perfecting it. Thats not what happened in that thumbnail, clearly!!

  • @clpearson991
    @clpearson991 4 месяца назад +33

    It's actually kind of nice to know what kind of preparation and training go into flights. I know I've wondered what exactly the captain and first officer do up there given there's so much automation. It's also fascinating to see how the differences in aircraft design can make such a huge difference in landings, as I assume the other flights that landed may not have had the same construction and therefore not the same reverse thrust issues.

  • @KD-gw4sj
    @KD-gw4sj 5 месяцев назад +16

    Clearly experienced captain and FO, military experience and 1000s of hours flying commercial. What happened to their careers? Does an incident like this end it? Thinking back to Sully, "40 years of flying I've delivered millions of passengers and all i will be judged on is 208 seconds"

    • @KD-gw4sj
      @KD-gw4sj 4 месяца назад +6

      @K1OIK first officer I'm no one and trying to show nothing

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 4 месяца назад +2

      But that’s what you are being paid for, the real emergency, or making wise decisions. It was too many things stacked against this landing situation and they made the wrong decision to land. It’s not like they had to land.
      I think they put it risk the lives of the passengers for no good reason and I would not want to fly with them again, knowing that they have excellent skills, it’s the decision making that bothers me

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 4 месяца назад

      @@K1OIK: Good point. I hate it when people use acronyms, it is so annoying and it stops you from thinking because you have to interpret the acronym. I don’t use them either, NW (No Way … just joking to show how freaking annoying it is)
      Pretty soon there will be more acronyms and there are actual words in a sentence or in dialogue. It’ll be like a foreign language. I have to look up the goddamn acronyms all the time just to interpret what the dumb f|_|€K 😅young people are writing

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 4 месяца назад

      @@KD-gw4sj: I think it’s bad to use acronyms unless they are well established like BS & SOB. There are too many acronyms. I know you didn’t mean any harm but, it’s a lesson to learn and I try to practice zero acronym use myself

    • @friedafa
      @friedafa 4 месяца назад +11

      Maybe I'm missing the joke, but I can't imagine anyone watching this content wouldn't know what an FO was...

  • @raymondanderson751
    @raymondanderson751 5 месяцев назад +133

    Gotta say having an actual commercial pilot making these videos is awesome, we get so much more information on the aircraft systems, controls and procedures and coming from a pilot makes these videos unequaled anywhere on RUclips, amazing job!

    • @Teqnyq
      @Teqnyq 4 месяца назад +3

      ​@@K1OIKyes

    • @Teqnyq
      @Teqnyq 4 месяца назад +6

      @@K1OIK yes

    • @Teqnyq
      @Teqnyq 4 месяца назад +8

      @@K1OIK already ahead of you bud. Most of us can navigate informal platforms with ease by 4th grade.

    • @Steve-xb7dn
      @Steve-xb7dn 4 месяца назад

      ​@@K1OIKshhhhhhh

    • @yulia3154
      @yulia3154 3 месяца назад +3

      @@K1OIKim sorry, I laughed while reading this. Are you serious? Out of everything that person wrote, your focus is on insulting them for using the word “gotta”? You have to be really bored…

  • @niccolospontina
    @niccolospontina 5 месяцев назад +9

    4:55 I love how he's moving the visual up and down to simulate the pilots chatting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @mrfinlay7516
    @mrfinlay7516 4 месяца назад +2

    Interesting episode. Glad nobody got hurt

  • @tag180rotax
    @tag180rotax 3 месяца назад +5

    A good landing is one you walk away from, a great landing allows the plane to be used again. That was a good landing

    • @joot78
      @joot78 3 месяца назад +1

      The plane was actually going to be serviceable until the crane recovering it dropped it.

  • @Aircrashinvestigation747Pilot
    @Aircrashinvestigation747Pilot 5 месяцев назад +345

    Thank you for making this video. It's an honour to see you aviation videos as it makes me motivated to becoming a pilot.
    I am 14-years-old and in the future I want to be a 747-400/-800 cargo pilot. When I am not studing or anytime I have a short break, I always watch either Mentour Pilot, Mentour Now, Captain Joe and 74 Gear's Channel. Or sometimes I read one of your NTSB or Wikipedia links.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +157

      Great to have you here. Study hard and we'll see you in the clouds!

    • @Aircrashinvestigation747Pilot
      @Aircrashinvestigation747Pilot 5 месяцев назад +29

      Looking forward,@@MentourPilot . I am very excited.

    • @kimberlyperrotis8962
      @kimberlyperrotis8962 5 месяцев назад +9

      You go, girl, I’m sure you’ll make a great pilot🙂

    • @thatmatty231guy
      @thatmatty231guy 5 месяцев назад +9

      Definitely do it - I was the same as you growing up - I’m just about to get my PPL 😊 for now I just play flight simulator a lot lol

    • @Republic3D
      @Republic3D 5 месяцев назад +3

      You can do it!

  • @elheber
    @elheber 5 месяцев назад +10

    31:12 "And do you remember what happens when that much reverser is being used?" (pause for viewers to respond) "Yes! This meant..."
    This reminded me of preschool age shows like Blues Clues or Dora and, not gonna lie, it made me happy. That kind of call & response interaction was super effective on me. I wonder how many of these I haven't noticed. Man I love this channel.

  • @lorrewatkins5925
    @lorrewatkins5925 4 месяца назад +5

    The DC9/MD-80/90 is one of my favorite aircrafts !

  • @200352543
    @200352543 4 месяца назад +14

    I love that you made a video about Delta! It’s my most flown airline and your videos always reassure me a ton and I’ve not seen much on Delta specifically. These pilots made a small mistake for sure, but honestly with everything being so on the edge it sounds like there needs to be more help for pilots. No way to monitor every instrument at once, it just seems impossible.
    These pilots did a great job keeping everyone safe.

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 4 месяца назад

      I can’t come to the same conclusion as you. If they had simply diverted, we wouldn’t have even seen this video. They took unnecessary risks, and could have killed everybody!

  • @lurkingstar
    @lurkingstar 5 месяцев назад +106

    Good to hear that no one died. The pilots conducted themselves pretty well in a situation where a small mistake made them lose control of the aircraft.

    • @libby2012
      @libby2012 Месяц назад

      It could be that that extra reverse kept them from running off the end of the runway. Better sideways an on ground, than straight and in the water. … also, that 90 second emergency exit goal seems extremely optimistic to me. … all in all, it was a very successful emergency landing.

  • @levybaraka6592
    @levybaraka6592 5 месяцев назад +228

    Hello mentour, I'm Kenyan, 19 years old and a big fan of yours since I was in high school
    Your videos are great and have contributed to my passion for being a pilot,
    I'm really excited for each video you upload
    As I've already started my flight training late August this year I've found your videos really important and relatable especially in human performance
    Keep up the great work!!!

    • @dashdotdot
      @dashdotdot 5 месяцев назад +22

      Good luck in following your dream!

    • @nanattechi
      @nanattechi 5 месяцев назад +15

      good luck

    • @Republic3D
      @Republic3D 5 месяцев назад +9

      You can do it, follow your passion!

    • @LadyPii
      @LadyPii 5 месяцев назад +7

      That's amazing, good luck with your studies!

    • @toddabowden
      @toddabowden 5 месяцев назад +10

      Best of wishes to a great long career! You can and you will succeed!

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard 5 месяцев назад +14

    I love the information density of your videos, the supporting notes, animations, asides to give more information about a topic then back to the main narrative, the pacing is perfect and tbh better than most Netflix documentaries about anything

  • @aravindmaddini6348
    @aravindmaddini6348 4 месяца назад +8

    Jan 2 2024 there was incident in Japan plane hitting coast guard !!! Please make a video on that !! Thanks ❤

  • @DRV-mt5dd
    @DRV-mt5dd 5 месяцев назад +21

    That FO was certainly on top of his game. I hope that helped him make captain.

    • @superkaeldev861
      @superkaeldev861 4 месяца назад +10

      @@K1OIK? Mentour pilot does not use acronyms, who are you to try and show off?
      Honestly though, why are you spamming that all over the comments? There's no need to be so rude.

    • @Endidixknsej
      @Endidixknsej Месяц назад +1

      @@K1OIKliterally mate sort it out or your gonna be upset about everything for the rest of your life

    • @Endidixknsej
      @Endidixknsej Месяц назад

      @@K1OIK FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO FO

    • @Endidixknsej
      @Endidixknsej Месяц назад +1

      @@K1OIK a RUclips comments section is not a formal setting innit

    • @Endidixknsej
      @Endidixknsej Месяц назад

      @@K1OIK as I say RUclips is not formal. It’s not writing

  • @blitzmotorscooters1635
    @blitzmotorscooters1635 5 месяцев назад +72

    Attention passengers, please leave your coats onboard because the fuel leaking outside is likely to catch fire and that will warm you up. Thank you for flying Delta! Have a pleasant day in New York.

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 5 месяцев назад +4

      😄

    • @IngoSchwarze
      @IngoSchwarze 5 месяцев назад +25

      And please pass this message on to the people seated in the row behind you because our PA system does not work right now. 🤔

    • @blitzmotorscooters1635
      @blitzmotorscooters1635 4 месяца назад +6

      @@IngoSchwarze oops, I forgot that. General Order 4: To repeat all calls from posts more distant from the guardhouse than my own

  • @AvSemler
    @AvSemler 5 месяцев назад +8

    Your storytelling abillities are incredible. I literally stopped breathing when the plane left runway and was heading to the water.

  • @idahoairplanes1235
    @idahoairplanes1235 4 месяца назад +2

    A fun fact about thrust reversers is they don’t need to redirect the exhaust forward but merely must prevent the exhaust from going backward. The momentum of the air entering the engine by itself provides the reverse thrust. Redirection forward improves the effect of course but this video shows how little the clam shell reversers do that. High bypass engines are much better in this respect but they don’t stop the core exhaust from exiting backward which is why the clam shell design is so effective.

  • @r.g8649
    @r.g8649 5 месяцев назад +41

    I’m a Delta retiree 🛫🛬🛩️ I enjoy watching your videos and how you explain each situation in detail 👍🏼✈️

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +7

      Awesome! Thank you!

    • @desertdog185
      @desertdog185 4 месяца назад +1

      I’ve watched this very carefully. Spot on 👍

  • @bmwguy22
    @bmwguy22 5 месяцев назад +191

    Mate, you need these videos turned into full scale documentaries on a streaming platform! They are so professional! I love these, this these videos up Petter!

    • @Games_and_Music
      @Games_and_Music 5 месяцев назад +21

      Don't say that!
      I mean, i don't disagree though.
      I've been following this channel for some years when he "only" had 100K subscribers, and the quality has gone up in big leaps, but i also like to keep enjoying this content for free! haha :D

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад +10

      Well, you tube is a streaming platform and 40 minutes is a TV hour. So in fact these already are what you are suggesting. Why deal with media companies giving up morte revenue.

    • @ytzpilot
      @ytzpilot 5 месяцев назад +3

      I watch RUclips far more then streaming platforms, therefore RUclips videos rival streaming platforms for viewers, and proof you don’t need a major broadcaster to produce videos

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад

      Other than mislabeling ATC controllers in the graphics in every video.

    • @aerotube7291
      @aerotube7291 5 месяцев назад

      Yes I always watch them right through

  • @christopherg2347
    @christopherg2347 5 месяцев назад +3

    The Airport really droped the ball here. Not giving clear information about the Runway state.

  • @secondskins-nl
    @secondskins-nl 5 месяцев назад +6

    With every video I think it must be quite a job to get all animations fixed using flightsims etc. Can imagine it's a time consuming thing but makes it all really nice to watch.

  • @cherylschaeffer7832
    @cherylschaeffer7832 5 месяцев назад +202

    As a lifelong New Yorker, LaGuardia has always been an awful airport for so many reasons especially the short runways and takeoffs/landings over the water. They recently remodeled some of the terminals, but they need to see what can be done about the runways.

    • @sweetcarbine
      @sweetcarbine 5 месяцев назад +19

      They need to train their employees a lot better to avoid situations like things. Hoping for the best outcome and walking away is a recipe for accident.

    • @RobertsonDCCD
      @RobertsonDCCD 5 месяцев назад +27

      The biggest change I have noticed since this accident is that airlines are much more prone to cancel flights proactively when weather gets this bad. At airports like LGA and DCA, that’s a good thing, as even in good weather, there’s not much room for error there.

    • @billm47645
      @billm47645 5 месяцев назад +22

      They built nice terminals to sit in to wait, but they also needed to fill in the bay and add another runway and also extend the current runways. If this was Asia, the Middle East, or even Europe they would have done this already. But then again, NY can barely maintain the roads for highway robbery tolls. Also, parking at LGA is over $40 a day.

    • @NightMotorcyclist
      @NightMotorcyclist 5 месяцев назад +11

      Not to mention the downtown Flushing area keeps permitting taller residential buildings esp in recent years and more buildings are scheduled to be built in the Mets/ Shea Stadium area.

    • @mikerodent3164
      @mikerodent3164 5 месяцев назад +17

      English person here. When I flew into NYC for the first time I deliberately chose a flight to LaGuardia... because of the spectacular view you get of Manhattan. I wasn't disappointed. But I wasn't aware that at the end of those runways is nothing but water. What happens in the event of an unplanned runway "excursion" obviously has to be factored into landing decision-making. Not all runways are created equal.

  • @goodbyemr.anderson5065
    @goodbyemr.anderson5065 5 месяцев назад +20

    Those rear mounted engines were also damaged with ice falling off the wings before modern de-icing methods.

  • @tracymann3005
    @tracymann3005 4 месяца назад +4

    It’s a blessing to have such an experienced FO.

  • @tplyt12
    @tplyt12 4 месяца назад +8

    2 aircraft Collided at Haneda Airport on 2 Jan, 2024, Japanese Time, pls make vid on that and in the meantime I just hope there are no casualties

  • @UK_Canuck
    @UK_Canuck 5 месяцев назад +99

    I have no connection to the aviation industry and only fly very infrequently but I still watch every one of your videos as soon the notification arrives. You have a knack for telling a very interesting story without sensationalism. You even manage to make the back story and technical details fascinating!
    And thanks, too, for giving us a suspenseful wintery episode for Christmas with no casualties. 👍

  • @kokoBuSiLiCa
    @kokoBuSiLiCa 5 месяцев назад +48

    It's always a great day when you open RUclips and you see a new Peter's video. A great educator and storyteller!

  • @judasz30
    @judasz30 5 месяцев назад +3

    That feel when you buy yourself cool “inop” cup, but then you realize you’re not allowed to use it.

  • @dagatoe
    @dagatoe 7 часов назад

    One of the best videos I have seen on RUclips in any genre.
    You tell the story with empathy and respect and it helps convey message perfectly.

  • @Bri-bl2nc
    @Bri-bl2nc 5 месяцев назад +73

    I’m flying in a few hours and watching this was both thrilling and (eventually) soothing. Listening to you narrate the expertise of the first officer and captain in an emergency situation was relaxing while being immensely educational. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos, Petter. I hope the upcoming season will bring you cheer and peace🎊

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +14

      Glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for the kind words!

    • @PsRohrbaugh
      @PsRohrbaugh 5 месяцев назад +7

      Flying is scary because we surrender our control and trust in others to keep us safe. But those people are highly trained experts who want to have a safe trip just as much as you.
      Most car accidents don't make the news because they're so common. But every aircraft accident is covered because they're so rare.

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@PsRohrbaugh Isn't it funny how people get used to dangers based based on degree of exposure. We see nothing wrong with passing cars going 60mph head to head by just a couple feet. A single moment of inattention likely death, yet so many are afraid to fly.

  • @dreamer_tom
    @dreamer_tom 5 месяцев назад +19

    You are a great storyteller
    Along with attention to detail and incredible graphics I must say you are the best

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад

      Wow, thank you! 💕💕 That’s lovely to hear!

    • @user-wp9xe1yh3l
      @user-wp9xe1yh3l 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@MentourPilotI like the graphics is this msfs2020? bc the graphics look like msfs2020

  • @2CraftySeniors
    @2CraftySeniors 5 месяцев назад +5

    I think the passengers and crew were very fortunate to have those pilots that day. Even though there was a short "glitch" with the pilot flying, it was soon overcome and the two did everything in their power to keep everyone out of that water. Kudos to the two of them. 🥰
    Also... a very Happy Holiday Season to you and your family. Thank you for such entertaining and informative videos.🥰

  • @mattstuff4177
    @mattstuff4177 3 месяца назад +1

    Watching this while studying at flight school to become a pilot. Your videos really inspired me to pursue this career, with your well thought out essays into accidents and incidents. Thank you!

  • @jeromethiel4323
    @jeromethiel4323 5 месяцев назад +9

    I always wondered why the MD-88 engines had those odd pieces sticking out from the back on the sides. Those are there for the reversers. Never knew what those were for until this video. Learn something new everyday.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +8

      That’s why we are here, Merry Christmas! 🎄💕

    • @jeromethiel4323
      @jeromethiel4323 5 месяцев назад +5

      @@MentourPilot And that's why we all appreciate your videos. Entertaining and educational. Two of my favorite things! ^-^
      Happy holidays!

    • @mickieswendsen1302
      @mickieswendsen1302 5 месяцев назад

      We all have/do

  • @Metoobie
    @Metoobie 5 месяцев назад +38

    Glad to see the captain finally listening to the FO and not following his own tunnel vision. Good team under difficult circumstances. I'd love to learn more as to why the evac took so long!

    • @Admiral_Jezza
      @Admiral_Jezza 4 месяца назад +16

      @@K1OIK If you think using acronyms is "showing off" idk what to tell you

    • @TwoToTheSix
      @TwoToTheSix 4 месяца назад +11

      @@K1OIK IMO, you’re just looking to be obnoxious. RUclips comments aren’t university admissions essays; relax a little!

  • @whywarthog
    @whywarthog 4 месяца назад +3

    Happy new years, sir! Absolutely love the channel, has been a staple every week while I’m on my lunch at work this past year

  • @veeaxis3892
    @veeaxis3892 4 месяца назад +3

    I'm always at the edge of my seat watching these accidents unfold, and it's always a great feeling when you get to hear that everyone on board made it!

  • @user-md6os4nq1b
    @user-md6os4nq1b 5 месяцев назад +187

    Looking forward to this since the announcement! Can’t get enough of these amazing intros. I know you usually don’t cover non-airliners accident, but there was a really fascinating accident in Alaska involving a DHC-2 back in August of 2021. Here a quick overview: the plane was flying a sightseeing trip in IMC conditions and the plane hit a side of valley just 200 feet from the summit. The pilot was not allowed to fly in IMC and wasnt flying on the flight plan for the area. There were FAA rules in place but they weren’t mandatory and 6 people died. Really be interesting to see your opinion and perspective.

    • @rager1969
      @rager1969 5 месяцев назад +20

      IMC? Does that stand for I Might Crash?

    • @simonmarty99
      @simonmarty99 5 месяцев назад +6

      Instrument Meteorological Conditions

    • @mikezappulla4092
      @mikezappulla4092 5 месяцев назад

      @@rager1969😮

    • @saulnier
      @saulnier 5 месяцев назад +17

      A sightseeing trip in IMC? Interesting... .

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@saulnier Yea, something doesn't add up here, among other odd statements. What/Who didn't "allow" pilot to fly in IMC? Any commercial pilot will be IFR certified, and VFR flight plans are optional, therefore nothing nefarious when not flown. FAA "rules" that aren't "mandatory" aren't rules.

  • @Youngmessi01
    @Youngmessi01 5 месяцев назад +5

    The first officer is a genius ❤❤❤

  • @Ernesto_Sergio
    @Ernesto_Sergio 4 месяца назад +5

    I love your content, you have made me into an aviation safety geek!😂
    I’m trying to install some of the CRM practices in my current workplace (healthcare) to improve the safety culture. Realistically though we’re decades behind the aviation industry.

  • @MrHav1k
    @MrHav1k 4 месяца назад +3

    I say job well done by the pilot. He was in a no win situation there. If he limits reverse thrust in the worse than expected weather condition he very well may have just shot clear off the end of the run way. Tough spot to be in.

    • @joot78
      @joot78 3 месяца назад +1

      The only point I would counter is that upon seeing a snow-covered runway, and being aware of the other challenges already a concern, he could have diverted. You have to know that covered in snow isn’t “good”.

  • @dseanjackson1
    @dseanjackson1 5 месяцев назад +52

    Man 😮
    I got a little emotional as you were describing the actions they were taking trying to stop the aircraft (maybe because as an airline pilot I can imagine being exactly in their situation)
    Also, it's amazing how still aware/ in the "green" they were during the last moments (coming out of reverse, shutting down the engines, differential braking, etc)

    • @Dirk-van-den-Berg
      @Dirk-van-den-Berg 4 месяца назад

      What plane are you typerated on?

    • @dseanjackson1
      @dseanjackson1 4 месяца назад +6

      @@Dirk-van-den-Berg
      Embraer 145, FO 2 years, captain for 5 ½
      Dash 8 (I flew the Q-400), Captain for 3-ish years
      B-737, FO for 7 ½ years, Captain for 1 year

    • @unnikrishnanpillay50
      @unnikrishnanpillay50 4 месяца назад

      ​@@dseanjackson1c

  • @DonDueed
    @DonDueed 5 месяцев назад +50

    I felt like there were a couple of "loose ends" to this one. First, was there any impact of the two unreported infants? The way you set that up it seemed like there might have been a couple injured passengers left aboard or something due to the miscount. Second, what became of the aircraft? Was it repairable or a writeoff? You don't often leave us in suspense like this, Petter! :-)

    • @aesaphyr
      @aesaphyr 5 месяцев назад +5

      I'm also wondering about the two infants! I went to google about the aircraft's outcome and it appears that it was written off as a hull loss.

    • @wyskass861
      @wyskass861 5 месяцев назад +10

      Also wondering what happened to the snow.. Was it cleared eventually or did it melt on its own?

    • @NicolaW72
      @NicolaW72 5 месяцев назад +9

      The Aircraft, registration N909DL, was a write-off. There´re Reports in the Net that all 127 (!) Passengers and 5 Crew Members were evacuated without serious injuries and survived, however 23 of them received minor injuries. So the two Babies were at least alive and without serious injuries..

    • @matztertaler2777
      @matztertaler2777 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@wyskass861😂😂😂thanks for making my bad day end with a good laughing!

    • @brianteske9740
      @brianteske9740 4 месяца назад

      The aircraft sustained additional damage in transport to the NTSB hanger, as seen in the NTSB photos where different colors were used for pre and post-accident damage. Ultimately, the aircraft was written off. @@NicolaW72

  • @sNaPshotstuff2
    @sNaPshotstuff2 4 месяца назад +2

    Amazing live news about 379 rescued from airline crash today.
    Can´t wait to get a trusted view from Mentour Pilot about …what?? happened, but will wait for the quality.
    But would not mind a first reaction from such a quality source. Horrific news and also praise all that made it not worse.. I will need Mentour Pilot to understand more reliably. Thanks.

  • @dieselboy610
    @dieselboy610 4 месяца назад +2

    Delta has some of the best pilots and maintenance. Only airlines I feel safe flying. Cheers

  • @ChickenTanders
    @ChickenTanders 5 месяцев назад +5

    4:54 The pilots were getting along really well (lots of nodding)

  • @lunaa764
    @lunaa764 5 месяцев назад +10

    You know it’s gonna be a good day when Mentour Pilot uploads.

  • @Jackson-pu7gd
    @Jackson-pu7gd 4 месяца назад +4

    The research and investigation you've done into all of these accidents over the years, and the knowledge gained from them must make you possibly one of the best prepared pilots in the world to face an emergency! I know i'd feel 100% safe with you in the cockpit!
    Really love your videos. I've been binge watching them for weeks!

  • @michaeltomlinson6833
    @michaeltomlinson6833 5 месяцев назад +1

    The pilot and FO aggressively nodding before they pushed back tipped me off that something was going to go wrong 😂

  • @Denis-uu5gz
    @Denis-uu5gz 5 месяцев назад +33

    The amount of effort you put into your videos is always amazing

  • @Bulldogg6404
    @Bulldogg6404 4 месяца назад +1

    Amazing work as always! Thanks for the report and explanation!
    When he mentioned that the two infants were not registered officially as passengers, the conclusion I expected to hear was something like: There are 127 passengers on board, the emergency responders only know about 125 from the reports, so when they headcount 125-126 people evacuating the plane (including infants in their headcount) they would assume the plane was clear of passengers, when in actuality one or two people are unknowingly left behind and become casualties of some post-event nature. Thankfully, that wasn't the case, it seems.

  • @NickCRhoades
    @NickCRhoades 4 месяца назад +1

    I miss seeing your adorable dogs! And I'm addicted to your videos. I was watching one with my mother over the holidays and she was laughing at me because I knew what spoilers and flaps and ILS and TOGA all were (and much more). Thanks for all the great content!

  • @andrewlong9388
    @andrewlong9388 5 месяцев назад +48

    When did they notice that the passenger count was wrong, and did the wrong count cause any ramifications?

    • @IngoSchwarze
      @IngoSchwarze 5 месяцев назад +25

      I guess both of the toddlers were Checkov's sons, and they went off before the end of the video (off the aircraft, i mean). So nothing out of the ordinary here regarding the storytelling. Except that it's quite unusual to rescue *more* unharmed people from the wreck of an accident aircraft than there were souls on it to begin with. Quite a feat by the airport operations & rescue teams, i must say!

    • @TwoToTheSix
      @TwoToTheSix 4 месяца назад +1

      Perhaps it does highlight the problem inherent in treating infants like noisy hand luggage, though

    • @LadyBeyondTheWall
      @LadyBeyondTheWall 2 месяца назад

      I was waiting for that bit of information! I hadn't heard of this incident, so I was holding my breath waiting for something tragic to happen - and since he kept mentioning the two babies.. well, I got really worried. Then the video ended and everyone was safe, so whew, lol.

  • @PokeMaster22222
    @PokeMaster22222 5 месяцев назад +10

    Having watched a large majority of your videos, I find them highly engaging and informative - it's always important to recognise accidents, mistakes, and genuine pilot error, so we can understand why and how things went wrong. It'd be all too easy to make viewers feel uncomfortable about flying, with how many videos cover fatal crashes, but you also go over the improvements aviation boards have suggested to make flying safer.
    The video structure is amazing; thank you so much, Mentour, for such high-quality content.

  • @polarberri
    @polarberri 4 месяца назад +2

    Absolutely riveting video - I felt so sure they were going to end up into the water. So happy everyone was ok! Pilots did a great job saving the situation. Thank you Mentour Pilot team for another amazing year of content!

  • @phillismable6303
    @phillismable6303 5 месяцев назад +1

    Have a great Christmas and a Wonderful New Year Petter wherever you end up, thanks for all of the great informative videos. x

  • @alexs5394
    @alexs5394 5 месяцев назад +3

    It's hard to put into words just how much better these are than the overly dramatic TV shows about aviation incidents.

  • @quietghost1642
    @quietghost1642 5 месяцев назад +3

    This accident reminds me of a time when an incoming aircraft (Citation XLS) was asking for a breaking action report. With no proper equipment, I hopped into the crew minivan and proceeded to the runway (3700ft). Upon returning, I stated that while I could not accurately report breaking action, I would not recommend a landing. This prompted the crew to divert.
    I always have felt weird about how subjective breaking action reports are. I took a conservation approach and do not regret my decision.

  • @kevinleesmith
    @kevinleesmith 5 месяцев назад +1

    Happy Christmas Mentour.

  • @veenarasika1778
    @veenarasika1778 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for a wonderful video. I could feel the terrifying sensation of going fast down a snowy runway from your description. Thanks for the information about how thrust reversers on the mad dog planes could hamper rudder action given the right circumstances. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.

  • @TYRANTS-EXPOSED
    @TYRANTS-EXPOSED 5 месяцев назад +4

    All you pilots have a Merry Christmas!!! 🎄 The rest of you, just follow the pilots lead 😀

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  5 месяцев назад +2

      Merry Christmas to you, too!

  • @joequinal
    @joequinal 5 месяцев назад +24

    Great video, Petter! I’m hopeful the weather alerting issues have been resolved at LaGuardia as it sounds like they were behind the times in terms of advising pilots of runway conditions!

  • @AntBangBang
    @AntBangBang 4 месяца назад +2

    Always enjoy your videos but this one was superb. Wishing you the best for New Year and look forward to more of your content.

  • @jamesgraham6122
    @jamesgraham6122 4 месяца назад +1

    That has to be one of the more fascinating reconstructions of incident/accident events. Well Done. Non-pilots are often under the impression that we are constantly making life and death decisions each time we report for duty, whereas in fact, almost all decision-making before and during the flight has been foreseen and decisions made according to regulations and company SOPs. This combination of events highlights how rarely, not how frequently, we're faced with circumstances that can arise where the outcome is not wholly in our favour.

  • @WendyDarling1974
    @WendyDarling1974 5 месяцев назад +14

    I’ve been flying to Atlanta to Boston for Christmas for over 25 years and with Boston also being a snow-prone airport right on the ocean, this is the kind of situation I think about a lot. Luckily, never been in an accident like that. 😮

  • @cyrus5454
    @cyrus5454 5 месяцев назад +8

    I'm always amazed at your production value. Great video as always.

  • @stephengakumo8241
    @stephengakumo8241 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for incredible story telling. The depth of description of events and details of the flight is amazing.

  • @canadiantess
    @canadiantess 19 дней назад

    At the time of this accident, I was a pricing analyst at an airline that had service out of EWR. That day, my same day EWR sales spiked which was very strange so I searched the news and found this accident. I’m glad everyone was OK and I’m also glad that there were learnings from this put in place. The maddog was a tank and I miss my days of flying on it!

  • @barbarosa13
    @barbarosa13 5 месяцев назад +12

    You really teach us about aviation, I have learned so much from your videos. Thank you and happy holidays! :)

  • @chrzoc
    @chrzoc 5 месяцев назад +8

    Insane coincidence, but I was literally watching another video on this very flight when I got the push notification of this post.
    Winter ops at KLGA are always a bit nail biting, we call it the S.S. LaGuardia due to the short runways and being surrounded by water

    • @t.j.goldwater7139
      @t.j.goldwater7139 5 месяцев назад +5

      From Green Dot aviation? I just watched that one earlier today also!

    • @chrzoc
      @chrzoc 4 месяца назад

      @@t.j.goldwater7139 it actually was Green Dot’s vid, good call ✈️ 😎

    • @chrzoc
      @chrzoc 4 месяца назад +2

      @@K1OIK that’s me. showing off my acronyms. Especially when they aren’t acronyms. ;)

  • @jamesmathews9098
    @jamesmathews9098 5 месяцев назад +1

    Merry Christmas sir. Thanks for your channel!

  • @Atlas2023Heavy
    @Atlas2023Heavy 4 месяца назад +2

    I have been watching since 2016 and I just have to say that the quality of your videos just keep getting better, and the way you go about in those videos fuels my dreams of becoming a pilot!