Which Montero is the BEST?!
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- Опубликовано: 15 апр 2023
- In this video i do a full shoot out of all 3 generations of Mitsubishi montero that we have here in the USA. I go through offroad capability, comfort and maintain/modability.
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I live in the Philippines and the Gen 1 and especially the Gen 2 are local legends. Every one from any generation has seen a Pajero. Parts are practically unlimited. I own the Gen 2.5, locally called the Fieldmaster. It's a Gen 2 with a beefy face lift.
Drove our one owner 1998 Gen 2.5 from IL to CA last year. 208k miles on it. “Bigsy” (short for Big Mitsubishi as we had a mirage hatch back in 1998 when my daughter was 2 years old) is a family legend. Did not miss a beat in 30 hours of driving spread over 3 days. Not only that, this vehicle is more comfortable than my 2010 4Runner. We drove in June and were doing 80MPH through desert highways with 113 degrees showing on the outside temp gauge. Arrived safely in LA where my daughter is driving it. She passed her driving test in Bigsy back in 2014 and I gave it to her. It’s cool to have a daughter who loves this vehicle so much that she never wants to drive anything else. The 3 day trip I did with my wife and son in this incredible vehicle is the most fun drive I have ever done in my life. Congrats on a very educational video and for your great taste in vehicles!
This guy knows everything about Mitsubishi 🫣
Or he knows enough about Mitsu to realize he needs to know more.
So did Mitsu have an "Offroad Design Team" doing all the heavy lifting or is this just a case of blind luck? I do need to know more like what to do with these 8 Mitsus I still have here.
He’s the hero we need
6g74 soch is the best montero engine extremely strong and reliable
Another awesome and well thought out video. Thanks for the shoutouts and support. If I were to distill my thoughts/experience of the best Generation into a single sentence it would be: “The Gen3 is better at everything except difficult trails and reliability; Gen2 wins those hands down.” The other often unmentioned big feather in the Gen2’s cap: it pretty much has an unlimited lifecycle and lends itself to being rebuilt infinitely, like a tractor.
Well said!
I've always heard this as well but never looked into specifically why the Gen 2 is more rebuildable than the gen 1. what makes the gen 1 more difficult to rebuild? Is the block more prone to breaking or warping? (specifically the 3.0)
@@davidkeetz IMO, not so much about the engine, just the Gen1 is generally lighter built than the Gen2 all around, and has more components that are either not serviceable (upper control arm bushings for example) or no longer available.
I mostly agree, except I think the early gen 3 is just as rebuildable as a gen 2, especially if you get an xls or swap the transfer cases. Once you get mivec and traction control, the gen 3 is a little bit harder to work on
@@montanamontero I’m looking to purchase a 2001 Mitsubishi Montero limited with 158k miles. Is $4,500.00 a fair price? Thank you for any advice 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Love your love for the monteros man. Have helped with mine a bunch!
Amazingly informative video man, thank you very much for taking the time to make this. Currently building up my 92 gen2 here in Australia and am stoked that the gen2 is your pick 😊
Very good video! I just bought an 87 raider and this was very informational! I had no idea they even existed a week ago and now I’m obsessed 😂 luckily I got this one from an older man that never took it off road and is still like new so I hopefully have time to do some research before anything goes out 😅 thanks for taking the time to explain all of this, very helpful!
Hello from Australia, Great to see a young fella into the Paj. Known as the Pajero here it is very popular, just finished production in 2021 for the GEN 4 version. Did run a 3.8 petrol at some stage but far more popular here is the 4cyl 3.2 diesel at 147 kw and 441nm stock (Average 9.1 lt/100klm economy), plenty modified to around 600nm. This engine used to be used in trucks, later modified and boosted and put in the Pajero. Not a full on 4x4 but a fantastic all rounder with a 4wd system that allows for use on hard surfaces,(Super Select) can change from 2wd to 4wd up to 100klm/h As you say most people will modify them in some way and in Australia that is very true, top 3 items are Lift, tires, bash plates. Many after market accessories available here still, as they are essential in Australia such as all types of Bull bars, Long range tanks, steel cargo barriers. Certainly one of the best buys I ever have made on a vehicle for so many reasons, zero mechanical issues (170,00klm on clock), handles rough roads, comfortable, fuel economy, Lower purchase price (bought second hand at 138,000klm $19,000 Aussie dollars, robust generally inside and out, 4cylinder registration and the future looks bright with older ones with 300,000 + klm going strong. Really turning out to be an outstanding engine and running gear, with the correct maintenance of course.
Couldn’t agree more. Bought mine brandnew almost 10 years ago only “major” repairs/replacements i had were the aircon evaporator and a leaking suspension
i love my pajero but im soo scared about the fuel pump on the gen 3 3.2, arnt they meant to go at 120,000 miles?
Just what I was looking for! For 5 years 😢, thank you!!!
Just picked up my first Monty, a 95 LS. Thank you for the indepth video, it helped greatly in making a decision, and lack of available choices in my area was the other (western Nebraska.) Runs, great, unknown mileage on timing belt so ordering that kit from Luso here this week. Thanks, and keep the content coming!
Rocking a 92 montero daily driver! Love it!
One of the best videos ever....running a 1989 Gen1 LWB 2.5TD for 12yrs now...and daily driver, road trip, farm hack...
Excellent vehicle. Mine is coil spring and virtually everything mechanical except for the transfer case is identical to the Gen2, also for anyone needed to know parts shared with the pickups and Delicas.
Now I realise I do need a Gen 2.5 which I've always liked the look of, and a Gen3/4 for the missus. Just hate all the electrickery and IRS of the Gen3 & 4.
Thanks brother for posting this.
Been waiting for this. Well done buddy
This video was soooo good. Thanks dude!
Nice, in South Africa I have a 2001 Gen 3 3.5 V6 SWB with 5 speed auto with difflock. I see Mitsubishi just released them in different configurations in different countries. Very informative video btw, always good to know yuur car.
That was incredible bro. Really appreciate the video.
I'm simultaneously researching a lot of stuff while watching your video and man if we could swap the 5-speed auto in the Gen2 or the 4G63T they had in some foreign markets it would be unstoppable.
Thank you for making this video . I have also completed a rebuild on a gen 2 very capable 4x4
Thank you I found this not just interesting but very informative!!
From a fellow Mitsubishi enthusiast to another. Great video dude
In South Africa we have been spoilt by the wider range of “Pajeros” - in the Gen 2.5 we had the 3500 GDI V6 and a 5 speed auto box with manual super select. But I agree that V8 engine is a beast!
💪🏽 glad my algorithm brought me here.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Really appreciate this video. I daily a gen 2 coming up on 200k now and loved comparing it to my pops ‘87 Dodge Raider
Excellent video. And perfect comparation, I own gen3 3.2 Long, Manual Trans.
And its mostly for comfort and overlanding/camping with some light/medium off-road trails.
32" Toyo Tyres with 2" OME Lift.
And the only thing i need its Rear Locker(i'm planing to put it). And for electronics you totally right, those sensors at transfercase are pain
Stellar video man...lots of beneficial information for any potential person wanting to get into the Montero platform.
Incredibly well-executed video. Here I have a JDM 1993 Mitsubishi Delica 4x4 van (based on the Gen 1 Pajero/Montero chassis) and I'm now looking into a Gen 2 Montero. Great info!
Thank you for sharing, very profound analysis, based on experiencing what must of the potential users will never experience in a life time with their Monteros. A legend 4WD, and a legend brand (something like a dozen times Paris-Dakar winner, it´s not luck...), Keep it up! Cheers
Tengo que felicitarte por este video, muy objetivo y sincero en todos los puntos.
Tengo uña Mitsubishi Montero 1986, 4 cilindros, motor 2.3 diésel, y aunque no es el carro más cómodo, o lujoso, ningún otro carro me había sacado una sonrisa como este. Cada vez que salgo con el, es una aventura.
This dude is awesome. I have a gen 4 swb and gen 1 swb, I had a gen 2 but sold it and I agree with every word here.
Brilliant comparison mate I enjoyed that.
I love all Monteros, or Pajero’s in Australia where I’m from.
The gen 1 & 2 are my favourite, they look great too
Thanks for a great video. I am in South Africa and I own the Gen 3 GLX, we call it the Africa specification because it has rear diff-lock. I t has the 3.2 DiD diesel engine, great vehicle.
I have a SWB Gen 2. I love the simplicity of this rig.
Great video, I love my 98 gen 2.5!
Only issues I’ve had are front steering component failures. Probably need to pony up for genuine Mitsubishi steering and ball joints since I wheel it so hard in Colorado.
100%, OEM is the only way to go IMO. Everything else will fail after 1 trail
Definitely have to go with the 2nd generetion, not just it’s pros but the looks of it too
I've had a pickup with the 2.6 liter and the damn thing was bullet proof. Never had one issue with it. I like the fact that the interior is simple.
LOVE the window vents miss that feature as a whole. As far as road trips go i see no problem with taking the Gen1 road trips aren't a race, its about the trip not how fast one gets there.
Yes, im the older generation lol.
Love your video!
Perfect video! Bravo 👏
Man I just want to find someone with the same passion as you but for the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban that can give me this kind of explanation… thanks a lot… I learned a lot…!
I have owned a 1989, a 2000, and now a 2013 3.2L turbo diesel. I love them.
when we are looking for a car comparison, this is what we need!
Thank you so much for this video
Great video. I just bought a 3 door Gen 2 with the 3.0L with 5 speed manual gear box (Latin america) and it's a little off road reaper.
Very good video, you may talk about the transmition of the three generations, in the first years mitsubishi used aisin transmitions and later began to use jatco, but later in 2009 they returned to use aisin
Great video mate
Got a gen 1 1985 92k miles. Clutch just started acting up today. Daily driver for the last year.
Hi from Colombia, very good and well contextualized explanation. I owe a 2006 Montero 2400 (4 in line), very popular in Colombian farms; this is known as the "MK2", but I'm confused now, if gen2, MK2, V6 3000, in line 2400, but for sure good information 👍👍👍
This is my new favorite video on all of RUclips
You should come to Dubai/UAE one day, this is the heaven of Pajero 3rd and 4th gen there. They are absolutly everywhere. Any parts you want for a super cheap price.
Hi, Monterro (or Pajero here in Australia) owner of a gen 2.5,
Having it in Manuel (still with the 3.5 v6) really helps, it’s a bit of a slush box on the road, but 1st and 2nd gear are very short and crawl very well.
I’m lucky I picked up mine for only 2k, such a tough car
Years passing by,you become looks like that guy from engineer explained,lol.wish you all of best Bryan .(russian montero still rides smooth;)
Moab or bust! Excellent presentation. Well done.
Holy shit! Great video!
Thank you!
This is great video. Gen 3 still in production in Middle East. You can have it brand new there
Awesome video! great work
here in europe gen3 are mostly diesels with zexel pumps that are not very reliable but still so nice car to have around, in my eyes gen2 is best unless you use it a lot then i'd rather have an gen3
First by far 😎 awesome video buddy 👏
getting a gen one love the look
Gen 1 LOOKS the best - I have the Gen 1. I think I'd rather drive and maintain a Gen 2 or 2.5 though, It seems like they are best in terms of overall reliability and ruggedness.
Looking to buy either a $4000 Gen 1 or a $2700 Gen 2 thanks for the video it really helped
Good video! ❤
Awesome video.
Thanks!
Great information
I have a Pajero 1992 Gen 1.5 diesel in Brazil, base Gen1, top gen2, code V14v, it is a funny car . Love it
I really enjoyed this, thanks for sharing. I love the looks of the gen2, but in terms of where my car would most likely spend most of its time, the gen3 would be my go to.
We get the gen4 here as well, and the diesel options, but gen4's are still pricey in my opinion. Gen3's are are fair, but the potential of diesel pump issues is rough, so that leaves sacrificing range to probable reliability with the 3.8l.
Gen2's would make a great toy here, but despite there being so many of them, the fact that they are a non GDI 3.5l v6 means parts are an issue here, a fair bit of people just pop Lexus V8s in them.
Are those pretty easy to get running and swap ? Curious on parts compatibility
my father had a gen 1, it was a real beast, it had a diesel engine
Most probably a 4D56 engine
I got a 2003 SWB 3.5 montero. 38” tires, 4,9:1 gear ratios (thanks to you) 2.5” spring suspension lift, rear locking differential, now I order a front elocker, but until now runs like a goat 👍
That’s epic!
You are an excellent presenter. Mitsubishi needs to hire you!
I am on my second Montero. I have a 2003 Mitsubishi Montero Ltd. I get asked frequently to sell it. No way. My green and tan old girl will go another 20 years.
I'm looking at a 95 SR right now. After watching this video I think I need it.
Nice! Check out my videos on the hooptero and the build I’ve done with it
Bravo men, very descent informations
Gen 3 is my pick. More of a pre-runner then a rock crawler but that's where I think it makes a better over-lander. Can't wait to dump my LWB in favor of a SWB in a few years :D
Hello, Good night , I'm from Panamá 🇵🇦 and I have Mitsubishi Montero Mod.96 four Doors and never for sale is excellent car good video...Greetings
On the Gen 2 you could relocate gas tank easily for hardcore 4x4 trips. Weld a carrier on the back or install after market indside like race cars do with a fire shield & emergency shut off. Translate foriegn websites is fun. I used Cyber Ghost for 3 years and it definitely brings up what google does not.
Owned two gen1. 1987 2.6 manual and 1989 3.0 auto. Loved both. However, I prefer manual over auto transmission.
I believe all the suspension parts,” heavier duty” torsion bars etc. , axles , rear locker, all plug and play from gen 2 to gen 1
Hey, thanks for the info. I'm picking up 91 LWB soon and needles to say, I'm excited. I didn't know anything about them 50 min ago but now I know slightly more. We're the same, I can fabricobble pretty much everything you mentioned you did to your Montero's, so with that being said, how do you feel about swapping GEN 2 trans/transfer case/axles under my GEN1? I've read/watched everything I can find about them so far, but I don't have it yet, so it's hard for me to visualize but what do you think? Doable? Sans the auto trans, the Gen2 with that 4H/4HLC and a "near dana 60 strength" rear axle with a locker seems to be an easy decision. I checked around a bit on Luso Overland and ADD too, but I'm still hoping to find someone that makes an extended control arm to go with a lift. With aftermarket support growing, we can only hope right? Quick, someone call BDS and let em' know they're missing out on the Montero community!
nice one brethren.
great vid. I've had several gen 1 2drs and 1 4dr, currently have a gen 2.5. Love the old 2dr with leaf springs... So much fun ripping around town and feeling that live leaf spring suspension and small steering wheel. 2.5 is more refined and more practical/bigger interior, quieter, def more road trip worthy. I've tried to convince myself a gen 3 might be in my future. But not sure. Kinda feels like its past the sweet spot. Maybe tho. I am curious. But I have often thought about getting another carbureted 2.6L 2 dr just for the fun of it.
the Gen 3 surprised me, it really is an awesome adventure vehicle. i have no issues with it offroad and it's tackled some really hard stuff. but then you get it back on the blacktop and it's almost like having a "normal" car again
Got a gen 2 with the 3.8 conversion, definitely way more power 😎
I have a gen 3 and mine is with manual transfer case and differential lock (central and rear) stock.
Worth noting that the 01/02 Gen 3 also has the BEST LSD, Torsion LSD combined with a viscous coupling (to address the torsion's shortcoming of needing some traction with an airborne wheel) and no clutches to wear out. They supposedly augment traction control really well (multiplying torque transfer from braking) and came in 4.9 gearing. A nice bolt in for the later Gen 3s.
I actually have an 02 LSD in my 4.9 gear set in my gen 3, with the traction control it is a real game changer. Definitely not as good as a locker, but it really does well offroad.
@@montanamontero Oh right on, I saw you switched to 4.9s, didn't know you got the one with an LSD. I had heard it really helped out the traction control. 🤙
Good video.
Love it
Love my '94 SR
I think the 3.5 DOHC is a fantastic and somewhat powerful engine
Have a '00 Montero Sport LS 4WD. Only complaint about it is definitely the auto 4spd. Wish it came with an extra 5th gear to provide more comfortability when driving, especially during roadtrips. Great video!
I’m going to do a video about the montero sport here in a bit as well!
I've one as well, but it's a 1997 2.8TD Mitsubishi Challenger in Kenya.
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Excellent presentation and explanation, could you make a comparative video of the Mitsubishi Montero Sport with the Nissan Pathfinder and Toyota 4Runner models between 90 and 2008?
i might do one comparing the 4runner at some point, but we'll see
Man this is a very informative video. I’ve been looking for a gen 2 for a few weeks now.
Is there any common issues that you are aware of with the gen 2. I know you have to stay on the timing belt every 60k miles, oil changes, but as far as wheeling in dusty areas are their any sensor issues, common failures like wheel bearings or cv axles that you know of ?
The Gen 2s have a lot less issues than the Gen 3.. mostly they burn oil, so gotta keep them topped off
Yep, Mk 2 was; and still is, the best . . . Got '95 and keeping it for life.
I have lwb 1987 Pajero 2.5 diesel.manual transmission. Bunch of power after some mods. If I were to build my ideal Pajero/Montero. I would use later year gen 1 with coil springs in back lwb of course. Manual transmission and transfer case from gen 2. Then I would get a 3.5 or 4.0 Toyota V6. I have also owned gen 2 and 3.8 gen3. My gen 1 has been the only one that I can't see myself parting with.
I've had a 2001 Gen 3 for about 5 years now. It isn't that hard to work on it when needed. It was fairly easy to replace the timing belt which does need to be replaced about every 40,000 miles. I had the bolt come out of the crank pully which should be replaced with a new one so that doesn't happen. I have also replaced the front wheel bearings without having to replace the hubs. I do have to replace the transfer case solenoids. My one complaint is the rear door. I wish they had put the hinges on the other side so when you open the door and try to load things you don't have to walk around the door. Other then that I love it. Perfect for living out in the desert in Southern California where we sometimes have to deal with flash floods.
timing belt only has to be done every 60k per OEM specs.
@@montanamontero That's interesting to know. I replaced mine when I replaced the crankshaft bold and position sensor. Surprised how easy it was
kudos! very informative. Are all the gen 3 auto gearboxes 5 speed AT? Are they from Aisin?
Finally what do you think of the gen II 2800 cc diesel turbo intercooler 5 speed MT.
the XLS models in the US are 4spd, the Limiteds are all 5spd, and 03-06 are all 5spd as well. No thoughts on the diesel one because we never got them here in the USA
One of the gen 3/4 version in SA have a standard rear locker
I currently have an 03 Montero Sport and just about to pull the trigger on an 03 Montero, I’m curious to know your opinion on the Montero Sport vs the Gen 2 Montero. I don’t know if I can justify keeping both vehicles😂. I daily drive the Montero Sport and it’s my hunting rig. I plan to do the same with the Gen 3.
Thanks for your video, help me a lot! I am doing research cause I want to buy a dayly 4x4. I see your last video about the things your hate in your 3rd gen, and I also hate the electronic transfer. Quick question, why you don't include the Montero Sport in this analysis?
great question about the sport! I actually picked one up and plan on doing a video about it and how it compares to the full sized Monteros soon.
I have been doing a lot of research for a first time budget overland rig. I was between Nissan Pathfinder, Montero, and trooper. I think I'm going to go with a 2nd gen montero
out of those 3 i definitely think that's the best pick!
My favorite is the gen 3. It's an all around great vehicle. Comfort is a big deal to me and it has never let me down.
Which motor is most reliable?
Pure reliability? i'm temped to say the Gen 1 2.6.. but it leaves a lot to be desired, so my choice is the 3.8l in the gen 3
I have also had Mk 3 x Mk 1. 2 x MK2. 2 x Mk3. The best was the MK 2, with 2.8 diesel. I like the DiD 3.2diesel in the MK 3 but it is no longer tough like the Mk 2. Still a great long trip cruiser which gets through even tough conditions. I estimate I have driven 1.5 million kilometers or more in Pajeros.
I have to disagree with the "tendency" to fail comment (at least for me). I have a 2005 Limited (I live in Minnesota, so I see a ton of snow, slush, and just overall nasty weather) and it has 195 thousand+ miles, and it JUST had "failure" to the traction/anti-skid and transfer case switches. Replace the switches and abs sensors and you are good to go. Admittedly, that's not something you can readily do while on the trail, but if you keep up the maintenance, you should be fine. Also, I know you said you wouldn't get into mods, but if one puts in the 4.9s (especially the rear with the Hybrid-LSD) from an XLS, you will be golden in your Gen 3. Overall, excellent work on your breakdown--extremely detailed.
maybe you have better luck than most with the traction control system. I've done plenty of maintence and still have tons of issues
I swapped 4.9 LSD into my 2002 limited Gen 3 with no traction control and it works beautifully.
3,8 I ? Are you satisfied, did your fuel consumption decrease, and up to how many kilometers does the car feel comfortable?"
@@murtagon4460 I have the 3.5l. I love it. It feels fine up to 80 mph and then it shakes a bit but I’m pretty sure that is due to aftermarket CV axles. Fuel economy is pretty similar to stock.
3:44 The Gen3 Montero has a double-wishbone front rather than a strut. But overall a very informative video! Never driven a Gen 1 so good to know about the details of that car. Good Job Brian！
It's true, i wish i could have edited that part to make the change haha. I was mostly trying to highlight that it moved to a more modern strut construction vs the torsion bars
Yep, was going to make the same comment. Definitely not a McPherson strut setup, which doesn't have an upper arm. Double wishbone with a coil-on-spring shock/spring setup. Good video though!
I belong to the school of thought that believes the Pajero is more durable than any toyota of its class. I own a 2nd generation pajero, a 1st generation toyota sequoia and and a toyota 1st generation toyota Prado.
I can say for the Pajero was built to last.
Do they make trailers that have like a motor and brake system that can hook to your cars computer through the light connections and make it where you can tow more ?
The next thing you need to look into is Engine swaps. Put a mivec 3.8 into your gen 2? Do you know about Evan who put a suburban engine into his gen 2? Look it up. Pretty sick!
yeah i've thought about it. maybe someday i'll have the time to do one of those. i followed evans build, pretty awesome
the 2.5 is also the only ones that come factory with rear difflock the gen 2 it was optional
Loved my V78W 4M41 but now I have V45 with the V6 6G74. Thinking rejoin the group but it's not a Gen 3 lol.
Edit: I think 6G74 packs quite a bit of punch moving from a diesel to a petrol V6.
I have had the manual 4D56 low and high power motors 100kw 314nm and 131kw 400nm and I just got the 6G74 V6 auto which is 140kw and 318nm and its sounds very cool and feels very punchy, I can feel it won't pull like the diesels with the turbo low down but its very impressive.