Congratulations on an absolutely brilliant summary and conclusion ! Like you said, its not about the specs, its all about the soul connection man to machine
Hey Alex, thank you so much! It’s really good to know that you enjoyed the video. I really appreciate the kind words. And yeah, with no connection, what’s the point? Hope you’re do doing well, cheers, Phil.9p
I've watched your Stornello videos 2 months after buying my own - which I bought as I wanted a more modern, but classic bike than my 30yr old Monster and 70yr old scooter. This video hits the nail on the head - it's a modernised classic and I love mine.
Thank you very much and it’s great to hear from a fellow Stornello owner. Given the other amazing machines you own, it’s so good to hear your thoughts. A 70 year old scooter? I need to see that! All the best and thanks for stopping by and for taking the time to comment, Cheers, Phil.
Love my Stornello. It’s surprisingly comfortable for all day riding and a hoot on country roads and around town. It makes a days ride a real treat. I have a second bike - a Honda - but it’s the Guzzi that stirs the soul and its the one I keep polished.
Hey Mario, you’re so right - stirring the soul is what it’s all about and as you say, every ride is a delight. Great to hear from you, all the best, cheers, Phil,
As usual hitting the nail on the head. Bravo. The colour scheme on your 850 was so lovely but I can see why the 231kg subtracts 12.7% character, approximately.
Hey Oliver, great to hear from you again - all well with you? I'm feeling a little sad now as you've reminded me of the 850 Centenario colour scheme - still, as you say with that very precise 12.7% reduction of character, I think I'll get over it! All the best, cheers, Phil.
So pleased I found Guzzi, as a new rider my E5 850 gives me joy and happiness aplenty, even when not riding it. No internet dating for me, I just saw and knew. I didn't want to copy my riding mate with his passion for Bonnevilles and his lovely T120 Ace, then had my interest piqued watching your stylish videos... then fell in love seeing the early publicity shots for the about to launch E5, that was all it took. I love the interest people often show, but most of all what a great and engaging experience it is to ride. It gobbled up UK to Como no problem at all in summer. Now looking forward to finding a chance to experience 7-14% more charm one day, that would be fun. It's wabi-sabi on toast for me. Thanks Phil, always a joy.
Good afternoon Mr. Dreddi - as always, it's totally fabulous to hear from you. I think your phrase "joy and happiness aplenty, even when not riding it.." just nails it completely. And yeah, the 'copy thing' is quite interesting actually as I noticed on my recent trip to Europe large groups of folks riding the same bikes and/or very similar types of bikes and that's the last thing I wanted to do when I was started out! I always wanted something different just as you say. All the air-cooled Guzzi's are really engaging to ride and in reality, something like the V7II Stornello just takes that to the limit without turning into a proper old bike. I'll try it on toast for breakfast tomorrow. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Very true Guzziman! All good with you? My personal belief is that everyone should have a Guzzi in their life and it's all a matter of timing. Great to hear from you! Cheers, Phil.
As good a summary of the Guzzi 'thing' as can be made in 6mins. Since 1980 I've owned a V50, Le Mans 1, Spada, V75, Nevada, and lastly a V9 Bobber. Haven't got one at the present and my days are waisted looking through the small ads....
Hey Peter, great to hear from you and thanks very much for your comments. You've got a lot more history than I do with actual ownership and it's great to know you still love them to bits and are still 'wasting' your time looking for another one. Personally, I'd say that's a very productive way of spending your time :-) All the best, cheers, Phil.
Excellent review and tutorial. I still think your Moto Guzzi is one of the best looking bikes out there. It pairs perfectly with the beautiful place you live and enjoy riding it.
Good morning Mr. Neutral - great to hear from you and I hope you're waking up to Celene being long gone and not having caused to much damage. I'm biased but yeah, it is a bit of a looker :-) All the best, cheers, Phil.
Must agree, whilst I’ve got the 850 it was my first Guzzi so I don’t have the earlier connection. Idea was to have it as a forever bike, but got chance to go Oz for 5 + years so looked at shipping it across. Costs more than the bike would be worth, absolutely ridiculous. But you are right once bitten then if you get them they have you forever.
Morning Andrew, great to hear from you again and at least looking at shipping costs over to Australia means you must have the bug. The 850 is a fabulous bike in its own right and still leagues ahead of genuinely modern bikes in terms of feel and old-school charm. I'm sure you'll find one down under... All the best, cheers, Phil.
I am in total agreement with your summary as I enjoy my 2012 Mk 1 V7 Special very much and just look forward to the next press of that starter button. You will know what I mean, or not. Cheers Paul
Good morning Paul, great to hear from you and yes, the first prod of the starter button, the rock and the roll and the clunk into gear - it's all just beautiful. You've got some nice machines on your channel and let's hope the weather is a little bit better this weekwnd so we can get out. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Sir during accident my kneecap quardicep also brock so my 8 unit blood loss quardicep not working Thats why i can not lift my leg straightly My knee also slightly grind there bcz ligament muscles become poor 😢😢😢
Hey Nick, how are you doing? Well, the thing is, I reckon everyone would enjoy an air-cooled Guzzi but I do recognise it's not for everyone. I've spent the last 40 years wanting one so any sense of objectivity is out of the window. They are totally brilliant though :-) Cheers, Phil.
Hey John, great to hear from you and me too! It certainly beats a lot of the uniformity that's around these days. Though I am very biased! All the best, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Morning Guy, exactly. Just as one of your pots that has been outside for years and years and develops a lovely organic patina of age. You can't beat it. Hope you're doing well, cheers, Phil.
Hey Edward, good to hear from you. I sold the 850 March 2023 as back then, nearly 9 months after breaking my leg, I still couldn't get on the bike and it had already been sat long enough. However, I more survey last year with the upshot being that as of March 2024 I had enough knee flexion to get another bike. So I went for the Stornello as I've always liked them and this one was local. All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Sorry to hear that you sold your anniversary edition Guzzi! I have the same bike, but a 2023 model in only silver. You sure jumped the gun! I had just watched your video with you in the garage after the accident uncovering he V7 after around six months and you had such passion and feeling for it. Now I hear that you quickly sold it! This sounds like my ex-wife telling me that she loved me and then a short while later saying that she had no romantic feelings for me and wanted to split. 😥
@@edwardsenesac Hey Edward, ha ha, I think you need to write romantic movie screenplays - I burst into tears and felt terrible after reading this 😀 I must be a terrible person! Anyway, let's not talk about ex-wives as I'll start writing in CAPITALS. Yeah the timeline was 9 months post accident and couldn't get anywhere near riding the V7 850 and at that time hadn't been offered the elective surgery and in any event, wasn't sure I could face the risks of further surgery, especially one with no guarantee's. Also, at the time I wan't even sure that two wheels was a good thing or not, Hence the clean sheet! Even now, I think the extra weight and speed of the 850 isn't something I want so the little Stornello is just about prefect. Anyway, that's my excuse and it's all about excuses isn't it 🤣
@@80eightReviews it is easy to go through your past shows in a short time period and not see the troubles along the way. I'm sure that these were tough times with tough decisions. Sorry if I came across wrong. I have learned from you that the 750cc version is quite a bit more maneuverable at a standstill and in general. I wouldn't have thought so until now. The 850cc is my first experience with Guzzi.
@@edwardsenesac Hey Edward, you didn't come across wrong at all and I didn't take it like that 😀 So no problems there! As you suggest though, having something kicking around that I had no hope (at the time) of using wasn't exactly helpful! Despite that, the Guzzi bug remained.... The 850 is a brilliant introduction to Guzzi's - thing is it's both a proper Guzzi experience AND a bike that can hold its own in the modern world. If it wasn't for my accident, I'd have one now and would be going all over the place on it. You've got a Guzzi and that's all that matters, cheers, Phil.
Mr Lawson, always good to hear from you and exactly! Best thing about this comment is that the GoogleBot has put a link in saying ‘translate to English’ and when you click it, nothing changes 😀 AI it’s pants! All the best, cheers, Phil.
Could it be a "Dark Chocolate Ginger Biscuit?' I mean if you like Milk Chocolate you'd not like. If you hated Ginger in things you'd not like. If you hate combination biscuits you be indifferent slightly cfrktical. BUT, if you liked Dark Chocolate AND Ginger your in heaven. Suggest a brew and biccy to help this fine pinpointing
Hmm…this is very tricky and possibly quite scientific stuff. It feels as though it may have something to do with quantum mechanics and things existing in two states simultaneously 🤔 Either way, thanks for posing this question and always, great to hear from you. I’m just going out and I maybe some time…All the best, cheers, Phil.
Strange, Phil .. I am the same height as you, also have a dodgy leg and like Guzzies too /But old ones/ .. Some of the modern design features are not to my taste ... I love the new Enfields and getting one soon
Hey Stefan, how are you doing? Well, that's uncanny! Do you like olives as well? As always, great to hear from you and let me know how you get on with the Enfield. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Blimey Hugh, is your name "Swiss Tony' - I'm guessing the better half isn't in earshot? Of course, I can't pass comment as I've recently gained more weight than a Griso's backend given my OD on cheese last week. Still, I wear it well with my elastic waistband Farah's. Rented a scooter yet? Cheers, Phil.
Hey Ian, how are you doing? Hmmm...Do you think it was a little too subtle? If so, I'll go full Hulk Hogan for the next one. Thanks for stopping by Ian, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Beautiful and stylish … I get stopped many times recieving exclamations of most beautiful bike. … not a modern bike. It is not up to trips on interstate. Ok around town, back roads, etc. … not a dirt bike. The grabby clutch is hard to deal with. The fact that this year Moto Guzzi forgot to put in crankshaft thrust bearings is less confidence inspiring… though the Stornello I have did not have this problem, its clutch ratttles and grabs. This can aggravate clutch operation,. The clutch operation control is crazy Rube Goldberg design… and no one understands how it should be adjusted… not even dealers. Because of the issue with crankshaft thrust I had to measure end play mine was .0067” play, yay… a thrust bearing was installed. Normal is axial play of crankshaft like .004” - .012” max… if bearing is in place… over .012” end play can more… according to the factory but the officialhigh end is beyond sensible limits. I would say if you are .018” end play this means you have a junk from factory engine. Don’t bother trying to disassemble and fix because you need new cases, oil pump, bearings, thrust bearing, and likely crankshaft. Why… the crank will when bike is shifted… it will machine a new asshole through the cases. The cases are marginal for 50 hp road vehicle. Brakes, fit and finish great. Handling great if you have tight spindle bearing. The transmission and final drive are old school and clunky… to fix this Redline oil sells shockproof transmission and differential oil. All the bull about over filling engine oil is crap the dip stick is accurate if you hold the bike vertically level. Get into crash or have something stolen… don’t. Parts are expensive, hard to find and take months from factory. That exhaust is $2400 alone. Which by the way needs about four or five inches longer heat shield extending forward … right where your right ankle touches it and gets burned. I could tell you the best tires and the needed mods, which for me included complete rewiring. Back to CLUTCH… it MUST BE ADJUSTED WITH ZERO PLAY OR LITTLE BIT OF PRELOAD… IF YOU HAVE ANY PLAY IT WILL DIE IN SHORT ORDER… DO NOT ADJUST THE PIVOT ADJUSTMENT NUT AND SCREW ARE LOCTITED TOGETHER FOR A REASON ->THEY ARE FACTORY SET-> Yep NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ADJUSTED, ADJUST ONLY THE CABLE END AT HANDLE BAR. YOU NEED PRELOAD OF ABOUT 20 to 50 LBS. AXIAL FORCE ON THE CLUTCH OPERATING SHAFT TO PREVENT THE FAILURE OF THE ROLLAR THRUST BEARING AND THE CENTER OPERATING SHAFT FROM SLIPPING AND WEARING A HOLE THOUGH YOUR CLUTCH PLATE CONE YOU WILL ALSO HAVE GRABBY CLUCH OPERATION IF THIS PRELOAD OF THE CLUTCH OPERATING ROD IS NOT KEPT UP. NOTE THE LEVERAGE OF THE HAND LEVER LENGHT AND PIVOT TO CABLE ATTACHMENT POINT OVERCOME THE CLUTCH needed PRELOAD, and leveler ratios make it feel much less than it is. Ok why you need this clutch preload without any end play clearance; it is rolling element bearings like the clutch throw out or operating rod bearing need to have load to maintain rolling operation of the bearing, without some preload the rollers will skid then dig holes in the thrust washers of the bearing. Also, the clutch operating shaft which operates inside a hole though the transmission main shaft with its forward end pressing on the center pressure plate cone where at this forward end of the shaft contacts the cone, this must be dry and not lubricated where the shaft forward end contacts the cone and where the shaft aft and forward ends contacts the body of the thrust bearing. So if the shaft seals allow transmission fluid to leak on this contact points or you stupidly lube… you will be doing an 18 hour service procedure and spending a lot of money buying clutch components that may take 9 months of wait time. Nearly every, Guzzi video has this vital clutch adjustment procedure wrong wrong wrong and will cause premature failure and jittery grabby clutch operation. Like in these videos… that rattle sound. And, that will result in all these components replacement and the clutch disk and flywheel if you let it judder or grab too long. That 18 hour service procedure if you have not done a dozen times before will take you 36 hours… to get to clutch the entire bike must come apart. One more comment the crankshaft thrust bearing is not a full circle bearing only about a half circle. Ah how to describe well how’s this… Grabby… ruclips.net/video/dvreCGWPw8U/видео.htmlsi=J7u0-6fDkwbtyk18 The rattle noise indicating clutch play …. ruclips.net/video/y752py5YY1g/видео.htmlsi=9NfZKfGu4kRTqJ-h Note all Guzzi have same clutch design, but don’t know about the new last couple of years adventure bikes. In general these 80:8 Reviews are the best on the Stornello VII 744cc. Though the others are entertaining and the Slab City ride rather what’s the bike is about. ruclips.net/video/3aASocNIT8k/видео.htmlsi=RSQDCJCFssOXLFxd Good review here ruclips.net/video/WjzPZ1e5xrk/видео.htmlsi=rtYxF7pSItQrtcmm
In that first and second video the clutch design of the California 1200cc is exactly the same as the 2016 Moto Guzzi V7 II Stornello 744cc. What is that jittery screechy sound… it is precisely this: when the clutch adjustment does not preload the clutch operating rod installed through the transmission main-shaft [a 6.4mm diameter 800 mm long ground steel rod; this shaft rubs on its forward end against the clutch operating cone that forces the the clutch plate mounted finger levers which pry the spring force acting on the clutch friction plate. The cone is mounted in the place on would expect a throw-out clutch operating bearing to be. This is at forward end of clutch operating rod. If insignificant preload is not on the shaft it will fret against the cone it pushes against… the fretting causes the shaft of the clutch operating rod to actually twist from the friction and pressure on it but when the shaft has been twisted enough the friction on its forward end looses out in its ability to keep the rod from rotating against the cone and the shaft wrap up torque causes it to slip and make that gawd awful sound. This happens at a frequency determined by the friction, the torsion spring resistance ability of the shaft, and the rolling resistance of the bike. Now the aft end of the clutch operating rod rides in a cone shaped bearing element which has a roller thrust bearing assembly between it and the clutch operating lever… which the clutch cable from the clutch lever disengages the clutch by. Similarly the clutch operating shaft must not rotate in its mounting recess in the clutch bearing assembly. At all times the thrust rolling element bearing must provide the rotation bearing action, the mechanism must only have rotation at the bearing not at the clutch operating rods ends. Otherwise the bearing will fail in short order if the rollers are skidding and not rolling.
Now the axial thrust bearing keeping the engine crankshaft from wearing its way through the engine cases is marginal, it is a half moon plain bearing. It take the entire force of the clutch spring load generated by the shift levers acting against the clutch springs when the clutch is operated, yes so does that little thin and long clutch operating rod too. So your preload on the cutch operating shaft will preload the crank thrust bearing in the forward direction… this is why you want the axial play of the crankshaft minimized and the thrust bearing as tight as possible. Actually one should have a second rolling element fixed at the crankshaft forward nose, like the one clear back a the end of the back of the transmission. This would prevent overloading of the crankshaft thrust bearing. The jittery slip of that clutch operating shaft causes a vibration axially of the crankshaft worsening its axial location maintenance. Bad situation overall works but it’s ITALIAN. Actually Italy has some of the best engineers but 1920 mechanics are passé. I bought two complete engines and transmissions to do the investigation, both had different levels of crank thrust bearing issues and both had less than 4500 miles on them.
Wow, this is all incredible information and as I’m no mechanic or engineer it will take me some time to understand it. I just hope my bike is ok in the meantime. On that my clutch isn’t ’grabby’ it’s more the fuel injection when cold or 1st gear below 2500 rpm where it feels like uncomfortable and ‘fluffy’. Thank you so much for taking the time to post all this information / I’m sure it will be very helpful to others. All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks… Rule One - use the clutch for quick shifts not setting at traffic lights Rule Two - forget the slip zone operation unless you want to buy a new clutch and 18 hour service charge. Rule Three - routinely adjust the second freeplay adjustment at the handlebar, and but never far more difficult, the freeplay of the clutch actuating shift rod that passes through the center of the transmission between the pressure plate and the rear mounted clutch operating levers in the clutch housing…. I used to suggest greasing with extreme pressure grease the ends of the operating rod… I don’t now after motorizing and playing with a stripped down transmission and engine. The grease goes bad very quick. Secondly the grease can very easily contaminate the clutch friction plate. You will find the clutch will have a lot of wear due to dry nature… or having been overheated
Congratulations on an absolutely brilliant summary and conclusion ! Like you said, its not about the specs, its all about the soul connection man to machine
Hey Alex, thank you so much! It’s really good to know that you enjoyed the video. I really appreciate the kind words.
And yeah, with no connection, what’s the point?
Hope you’re do doing well, cheers, Phil.9p
I've watched your Stornello videos 2 months after buying my own - which I bought as I wanted a more modern, but classic bike than my 30yr old Monster and 70yr old scooter. This video hits the nail on the head - it's a modernised classic and I love mine.
Thank you very much and it’s great to hear from a fellow Stornello owner. Given the other amazing machines you own, it’s so good to hear your thoughts.
A 70 year old scooter? I need to see that!
All the best and thanks for stopping by and for taking the time to comment,
Cheers, Phil.
Love my Stornello. It’s surprisingly comfortable for all day riding and a hoot on country roads and around town. It makes a days ride a real treat. I have a second bike - a Honda - but it’s the Guzzi that stirs the soul and its the one I keep polished.
Hey Mario, you’re so right - stirring the soul is what it’s all about and as you say, every ride is a delight.
Great to hear from you, all the best, cheers, Phil,
As usual hitting the nail on the head. Bravo. The colour scheme on your 850 was so lovely but I can see why the 231kg subtracts 12.7% character, approximately.
Hey Oliver, great to hear from you again - all well with you? I'm feeling a little sad now as you've reminded me of the 850 Centenario colour scheme - still, as you say with that very precise 12.7% reduction of character, I think I'll get over it! All the best, cheers, Phil.
So pleased I found Guzzi, as a new rider my E5 850 gives me joy and happiness aplenty, even when not riding it. No internet dating for me, I just saw and knew. I didn't want to copy my riding mate with his passion for Bonnevilles and his lovely T120 Ace, then had my interest piqued watching your stylish videos... then fell in love seeing the early publicity shots for the about to launch E5, that was all it took. I love the interest people often show, but most of all what a great and engaging experience it is to ride. It gobbled up UK to Como no problem at all in summer. Now looking forward to finding a chance to experience 7-14% more charm one day, that would be fun. It's wabi-sabi on toast for me. Thanks Phil, always a joy.
Good afternoon Mr. Dreddi - as always, it's totally fabulous to hear from you. I think your phrase "joy and happiness aplenty, even when not riding it.." just nails it completely. And yeah, the 'copy thing' is quite interesting actually as I noticed on my recent trip to Europe large groups of folks riding the same bikes and/or very similar types of bikes and that's the last thing I wanted to do when I was started out! I always wanted something different just as you say.
All the air-cooled Guzzi's are really engaging to ride and in reality, something like the V7II Stornello just takes that to the limit without turning into a proper old bike.
I'll try it on toast for breakfast tomorrow.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Phil, amazing talent. You fit a 6 minute video into 7' 38" 😂❤
It's the £/$ minute exchange rate Mr. Bolt - that's all I can put it down to.
Maybe! Thanks for watching and noting! All the best, cheers, Phil.
Great big picture overview Phil, I would add the word "visceral" , Guzzi gives you a "visceral feeling" like no other bike !
Very true Guzziman! All good with you? My personal belief is that everyone should have a Guzzi in their life and it's all a matter of timing. Great to hear from you! Cheers, Phil.
As good a summary of the Guzzi 'thing' as can be made in 6mins. Since 1980 I've owned a V50, Le Mans 1, Spada, V75, Nevada, and lastly a V9 Bobber. Haven't got one at the present and my days are waisted looking through the small ads....
Hey Peter, great to hear from you and thanks very much for your comments. You've got a lot more history than I do with actual ownership and it's great to know you still love them to bits and are still 'wasting' your time looking for another one. Personally, I'd say that's a very productive way of spending your time :-)
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Sir my fructure was open
Distal femur fructure with condyle and 1 inch bone loss
How many days i can get fit and fine
Great review!!!!!!
Thank you very much! Have a good day, cheers, Phil
Excellent review and tutorial. I still think your Moto Guzzi is one of the best looking bikes out there. It pairs perfectly with the beautiful place you live and enjoy riding it.
Good morning Mr. Neutral - great to hear from you and I hope you're waking up to Celene being long gone and not having caused to much damage.
I'm biased but yeah, it is a bit of a looker :-)
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Must agree, whilst I’ve got the 850 it was my first Guzzi so I don’t have the earlier connection. Idea was to have it as a forever bike, but got chance to go Oz for 5 + years so looked at shipping it across. Costs more than the bike would be worth, absolutely ridiculous. But you are right once bitten then if you get them they have you forever.
Morning Andrew, great to hear from you again and at least looking at shipping costs over to Australia means you must have the bug. The 850 is a fabulous bike in its own right and still leagues ahead of genuinely modern bikes in terms of feel and old-school charm. I'm sure you'll find one down under...
All the best, cheers, Phil.
I am in total agreement with your summary as I enjoy my 2012 Mk 1 V7 Special very much and just look forward to the next press of that starter button. You will know what I mean, or not. Cheers Paul
Good morning Paul, great to hear from you and yes, the first prod of the starter button, the rock and the roll and the clunk into gear - it's all just beautiful.
You've got some nice machines on your channel and let's hope the weather is a little bit better this weekwnd so we can get out. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Sir during accident my kneecap quardicep also brock so my 8 unit blood loss quardicep not working
Thats why i can not lift my leg straightly
My knee also slightly grind there bcz ligament muscles become poor 😢😢😢
I've never been on a Moto Guzzi. I bet I'd enjoy it. Nick
Hey Nick, how are you doing? Well, the thing is, I reckon everyone would enjoy an air-cooled Guzzi but I do recognise it's not for everyone. I've spent the last 40 years wanting one so any sense of objectivity is out of the window.
They are totally brilliant though :-)
Cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Seconded!
What a great bike. I love great looking quirky motorcycles.
Hey John, great to hear from you and me too! It certainly beats a lot of the uniformity that's around these days. Though I am very biased!
All the best, thanks for stopping by, cheers, Phil.
Perfectly imperfect :)
Morning Guy, exactly. Just as one of your pots that has been outside for years and years and develops a lovely organic patina of age. You can't beat it.
Hope you're doing well, cheers, Phil.
Where is your V7 E5?
Hey Edward, good to hear from you. I sold the 850 March 2023 as back then, nearly 9 months after breaking my leg, I still couldn't get on the bike and it had already been sat long enough. However, I more survey last year with the upshot being that as of March 2024 I had enough knee flexion to get another bike. So I went for the Stornello as I've always liked them and this one was local.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Sorry to hear that you sold your anniversary edition Guzzi! I have the same bike, but a 2023 model in only silver. You sure jumped the gun!
I had just watched your video with you in the garage after the accident uncovering he V7 after around six months and you had such passion and feeling for it. Now I hear that you quickly sold it! This sounds like my ex-wife telling me that she loved me and then a short while later saying that she had no romantic feelings for me and wanted to split.
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@@edwardsenesac Hey Edward, ha ha, I think you need to write romantic movie screenplays - I burst into tears and felt terrible after reading this 😀 I must be a terrible person!
Anyway, let's not talk about ex-wives as I'll start writing in CAPITALS. Yeah the timeline was 9 months post accident and couldn't get anywhere near riding the V7 850 and at that time hadn't been offered the elective surgery and in any event, wasn't sure I could face the risks of further surgery, especially one with no guarantee's. Also, at the time I wan't even sure that two wheels was a good thing or not, Hence the clean sheet!
Even now, I think the extra weight and speed of the 850 isn't something I want so the little Stornello is just about prefect.
Anyway, that's my excuse and it's all about excuses isn't it 🤣
@@80eightReviews it is easy to go through your past shows in a short time period and not see the troubles along the way. I'm sure that these were tough times with tough decisions. Sorry if I came across wrong.
I have learned from you that the 750cc version is quite a bit more maneuverable at a standstill and in general. I wouldn't have thought so until now. The 850cc is my first experience with Guzzi.
@@edwardsenesac Hey Edward, you didn't come across wrong at all and I didn't take it like that 😀 So no problems there! As you suggest though, having something kicking around that I had no hope (at the time) of using wasn't exactly helpful! Despite that, the Guzzi bug remained....
The 850 is a brilliant introduction to Guzzi's - thing is it's both a proper Guzzi experience AND a bike that can hold its own in the modern world. If it wasn't for my accident, I'd have one now and would be going all over the place on it.
You've got a Guzzi and that's all that matters, cheers, Phil.
Guzzi Guzzi Guzzi
Mr Lawson, always good to hear from you and exactly! Best thing about this comment is that the GoogleBot has put a link in saying ‘translate to English’ and when you click it, nothing changes 😀
AI it’s pants!
All the best, cheers, Phil.
Sir now you can lift your leg straightly
How much bend your knee 😊
Could it be a "Dark Chocolate Ginger Biscuit?' I mean if you like Milk Chocolate you'd not like. If you hated Ginger in things you'd not like. If you hate combination biscuits you be indifferent slightly cfrktical. BUT, if you liked Dark Chocolate AND Ginger your in heaven. Suggest a brew and biccy to help this fine pinpointing
Hmm…this is very tricky and possibly quite scientific stuff. It feels as though it may have something to do with quantum mechanics and things existing in two states simultaneously 🤔
Either way, thanks for posing this question and always, great to hear from you. I’m just going out and I maybe some time…All the best, cheers, Phil.
Strange, Phil .. I am the same height as you, also have a dodgy leg and like Guzzies too /But old ones/ .. Some of the modern design features are not to my taste ... I love the new Enfields and getting one soon
Hey Stefan, how are you doing? Well, that's uncanny! Do you like olives as well?
As always, great to hear from you and let me know how you get on with the Enfield. All the best, cheers, Phil.
Well, Phil-san, many chaps would say you can compare the V7s in recent years with the wife. As they get heavier, they lose their charm! 😳
Blimey Hugh, is your name "Swiss Tony' - I'm guessing the better half isn't in earshot?
Of course, I can't pass comment as I've recently gained more weight than a Griso's backend given my OD on cheese last week. Still, I wear it well with my elastic waistband Farah's.
Rented a scooter yet?
Cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Swiss Toni! Owning a Guzzi is like making love to a beautiful woman...
Come on tell us - do you like a Moto Guzzi or not?
Hey Ian, how are you doing? Hmmm...Do you think it was a little too subtle?
If so, I'll go full Hulk Hogan for the next one.
Thanks for stopping by Ian, all the best, cheers, Phil.
Beautiful and stylish … I get stopped many times recieving exclamations of most beautiful bike. … not a modern bike. It is not up to trips on interstate. Ok around town, back roads, etc. … not a dirt bike. The grabby clutch is hard to deal with. The fact that this year Moto Guzzi forgot to put in crankshaft thrust bearings is less confidence inspiring… though the Stornello I have did not have this problem, its clutch ratttles and grabs. This can aggravate clutch operation,. The clutch operation control is crazy Rube Goldberg design… and no one understands how it should be adjusted… not even dealers. Because of the issue with crankshaft thrust I had to measure end play mine was .0067” play, yay… a thrust bearing was installed. Normal is axial play of crankshaft like .004” - .012” max… if bearing is in place… over .012” end play can more… according to the factory but the officialhigh end is beyond sensible limits. I would say if you are .018” end play this means you have a junk from factory engine. Don’t bother trying to disassemble and fix because you need new cases, oil pump, bearings, thrust bearing, and likely crankshaft. Why… the crank will when bike is shifted… it will machine a new asshole through the cases. The cases are marginal for 50 hp road vehicle. Brakes, fit and finish great. Handling great if you have tight spindle bearing. The transmission and final drive are old school and clunky… to fix this Redline oil sells shockproof transmission and differential oil. All the bull about over filling engine oil is crap the dip stick is accurate if you hold the bike vertically level. Get into crash or have something stolen… don’t. Parts are expensive, hard to find and take months from factory. That exhaust is $2400 alone. Which by the way needs about four or five inches longer heat shield extending forward … right where your right ankle touches it and gets burned. I could tell you the best tires and the needed mods, which for me included complete rewiring.
Back to CLUTCH… it MUST BE ADJUSTED WITH ZERO PLAY OR LITTLE BIT OF PRELOAD… IF YOU HAVE ANY PLAY IT WILL DIE IN SHORT ORDER… DO NOT ADJUST THE PIVOT ADJUSTMENT NUT AND SCREW ARE LOCTITED TOGETHER FOR A REASON ->THEY ARE FACTORY SET-> Yep NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ADJUSTED, ADJUST ONLY THE CABLE END AT HANDLE BAR. YOU NEED PRELOAD OF ABOUT 20 to 50 LBS. AXIAL FORCE ON THE CLUTCH OPERATING SHAFT TO PREVENT THE FAILURE OF THE ROLLAR THRUST BEARING AND THE CENTER OPERATING SHAFT FROM SLIPPING AND WEARING A HOLE THOUGH YOUR CLUTCH PLATE CONE YOU WILL ALSO HAVE GRABBY CLUCH OPERATION IF THIS PRELOAD OF THE CLUTCH OPERATING ROD IS NOT KEPT UP. NOTE THE LEVERAGE OF THE HAND LEVER LENGHT AND PIVOT TO CABLE ATTACHMENT POINT OVERCOME THE CLUTCH needed PRELOAD, and leveler ratios make it feel much less than it is.
Ok why you need this clutch preload without any end play clearance; it is rolling element bearings like the clutch throw out or operating rod bearing need to have load to maintain rolling operation of the bearing, without some preload the rollers will skid then dig holes in the thrust washers of the bearing. Also, the clutch operating shaft which operates inside a hole though the transmission main shaft with its forward end pressing on the center pressure plate cone where at this forward end of the shaft contacts the cone, this must be dry and not lubricated where the shaft forward end contacts the cone and where the shaft aft and forward ends contacts the body of the thrust bearing. So if the shaft seals allow transmission fluid to leak on this contact points or you stupidly lube… you will be doing an 18 hour service procedure and spending a lot of money buying clutch components that may take 9 months of wait time. Nearly every, Guzzi video has this vital clutch adjustment procedure wrong wrong wrong and will cause premature failure and jittery grabby clutch operation. Like in these videos… that rattle sound. And, that will result in all these components replacement and the clutch disk and flywheel if you let it judder or grab too long. That 18 hour service procedure if you have not done a dozen times before will take you 36 hours… to get to clutch the entire bike must come apart. One more comment the crankshaft thrust bearing is not a full circle bearing only about a half circle. Ah how to describe well how’s this…
Grabby… ruclips.net/video/dvreCGWPw8U/видео.htmlsi=J7u0-6fDkwbtyk18
The rattle noise indicating clutch play …. ruclips.net/video/y752py5YY1g/видео.htmlsi=9NfZKfGu4kRTqJ-h
Note all Guzzi have same clutch design, but don’t know about the new last couple of years adventure bikes.
In general these 80:8 Reviews are the best on the Stornello VII 744cc. Though the others are entertaining and the Slab City ride rather what’s the bike is about. ruclips.net/video/3aASocNIT8k/видео.htmlsi=RSQDCJCFssOXLFxd
Good review here ruclips.net/video/WjzPZ1e5xrk/видео.htmlsi=rtYxF7pSItQrtcmm
In that first and second video the clutch design of the California 1200cc is exactly the same as the 2016 Moto Guzzi V7 II Stornello 744cc. What is that jittery screechy sound… it is precisely this: when the clutch adjustment does not preload the clutch operating rod installed through the transmission main-shaft [a 6.4mm diameter 800 mm long ground steel rod; this shaft rubs on its forward end against the clutch operating cone that forces the the clutch plate mounted finger levers which pry the spring force acting on the clutch friction plate. The cone is mounted in the place on would expect a throw-out clutch operating bearing to be. This is at forward end of clutch operating rod. If insignificant preload is not on the shaft it will fret against the cone it pushes against… the fretting causes the shaft of the clutch operating rod to actually twist from the friction and pressure on it but when the shaft has been twisted enough the friction on its forward end looses out in its ability to keep the rod from rotating against the cone and the shaft wrap up torque causes it to slip and make that gawd awful sound. This happens at a frequency determined by the friction, the torsion spring resistance ability of the shaft, and the rolling resistance of the bike. Now the aft end of the clutch operating rod rides in a cone shaped bearing element which has a roller thrust bearing assembly between it and the clutch operating lever… which the clutch cable from the clutch lever disengages the clutch by. Similarly the clutch operating shaft must not rotate in its mounting recess in the clutch bearing assembly. At all times the thrust rolling element bearing must provide the rotation bearing action, the mechanism must only have rotation at the bearing not at the clutch operating rods ends. Otherwise the bearing will fail in short order if the rollers are skidding and not rolling.
Now the axial thrust bearing keeping the engine crankshaft from wearing its way through the engine cases is marginal, it is a half moon plain bearing. It take the entire force of the clutch spring load generated by the shift levers acting against the clutch springs when the clutch is operated, yes so does that little thin and long clutch operating rod too. So your preload on the cutch operating shaft will preload the crank thrust bearing in the forward direction… this is why you want the axial play of the crankshaft minimized and the thrust bearing as tight as possible. Actually one should have a second rolling element fixed at the crankshaft forward nose, like the one clear back a the end of the back of the transmission. This would prevent overloading of the crankshaft thrust bearing. The jittery slip of that clutch operating shaft causes a vibration axially of the crankshaft worsening its axial location maintenance. Bad situation overall works but it’s ITALIAN. Actually Italy has some of the best engineers but 1920 mechanics are passé. I bought two complete engines and transmissions to do the investigation, both had different levels of crank thrust bearing issues and both had less than 4500 miles on them.
Wow, this is all incredible information and as I’m no mechanic or engineer it will take me some time to understand it. I just hope my bike is ok in the meantime. On that my clutch isn’t ’grabby’ it’s more the fuel injection when cold or 1st gear below 2500 rpm where it feels like uncomfortable and ‘fluffy’.
Thank you so much for taking the time to post all this information / I’m sure it will be very helpful to others.
All the best, cheers, Phil.
@@80eightReviews Thanks…
Rule One - use the clutch for quick shifts not setting at traffic lights
Rule Two - forget the slip zone operation unless you want to buy a new clutch and 18 hour service charge.
Rule Three - routinely adjust the second freeplay adjustment at the handlebar, and but never far more difficult, the freeplay of the clutch actuating shift rod that passes through the center of the transmission between the pressure plate and the rear mounted clutch operating levers in the clutch housing….
I used to suggest greasing with extreme pressure grease the ends of the operating rod… I don’t now after motorizing and playing with a stripped down transmission and engine. The grease goes bad very quick. Secondly the grease can very easily contaminate the clutch friction plate. You will find the clutch will have a lot of wear due to dry nature… or having been overheated