Once again, great commentary- it’s nice to hear someone with a passion for music collecting articulate that passion. Collecting is such a weird fetishistic thing; I’ve only recently started buying vinyl a few years ago when I realized how much I missed all the records I purged back in the mid 80s when cds were all the rage. I realized that I loved the format; the liner notes, the printed lyrics, LARGER print, the art work, inserts etc but I also really appreciate the economy of means that lead artists to put their best music on two sides, making a statement of sorts while being cognizant of the sequencing and flow…the advent of the LP as an art form was so great and continues to inspire me. In the meantime, my DOL copy of Blue Train that was given to me as a Christmas gift by my son sounds great to me and is the only copy I will probably ever own.
Good commentary. What I gathered from InGroveMike's video was that the creme-de-la-creme records will see skyrocketing appreciation, but that's for the best versions of the rarest records. The Coltrane record was a first pressing in nearly perfect condition and how many of those are in the marketplace? Not many. Same goes for the Misfits 45s he showed, particularly the 'bullet' 45. The overwhelming majority of records are not going to appreciate like the ones he mentioned. I think I align with your thinking here in that I find the idea of certain records being purchased as investments to be distasteful, but I understand it. People still pay ridiculous sums of money for certain art pieces. I'm not sure stock (still) photography falls into this realm, but you'd know better than I would. Digital photography has flooded the marketplace with relatively high-quality product, so much so that microstock dominates stock. Anyway, good stuff. Didn't realize you dealt in photography. 😉 Cheers, Tom
As a poor college student in the 1980s (now, I'm a less-poor old man), I collected original-release one-sheet movie posters. Most of the poster I purchased were less than $5, though I did pay up to $35 for a few. Now, some of those poster sell for hundreds, if not thousands of dollars (Example, I bought a mint one-sheet for Breakfast at Tiffany's for $1 out of the bargain bins at Bond Street Books in Burbank...that poster now regularly sells for between $4,000-$7,000.) Here's the rub. I wish it was still closer to $10, as I've probably only bought five, relatively inexpensive posters in the last ten years. I didn't buy my posters as investments; I bought them because I loved motion pictures. Many record collectors no doubt feel the same way; it's the tunes, dummy!
Why did I watch this?!!! I still haven't gone through my late dad's jazz collection yet!!! And he probably had the Coltrane record from the 1st release. In fact, I know he had it! And he really took care of his shit!!! This is making me nuts!!! I have got to get to work!!!! 🫣
Interesting coincidence…I happen to buy an OG copy of Blue Train Mike from Theingroove had on his site. It was $1,200 which is a lot if money. However I play it and it sounds amazing and I plan on holding in to it fit another 30 years then I’ll gift it to my daughter. At that point she can sell it for good money and it’s the best of both worlds.
It almost never happens and is *EXTREMELY* rare... But Mazzy, I believe this time you're right! 😁 I happened to buy Nirvana's 1st US pressing of Nevermind when it came out. Why, because I like it. Recently, I happened by chance to find out it's worth $1000 - $2000 That's nice... Actually, that's VERY nice... BUT... I like to listen to it, so... what... Like you said, you just happened to start buying records that long ago (probably about 10 years or so before I did) so, you're simply going to have older stuff that HAPPENS to have become more valuable over time. Again, that's nice... 😊
You made some very good arguments on both sides. Unlike someone else’s video which suggested that a comic book grading company should get into grading vinyl? 😵💫 🤦🏻 If Chad makes a UHQR of George Harrison, he stole your idea!
Baseball cards have sold for over $10,000,000. Vintage guitars prices have gone crazy over the last several years. Records as a collectable are probably relatively underpriced very significantly. A collectable is worth what someone is willing to pay at a point in time. Prices can go up and down. The cardinal rule of investing is dont put all your eggs in one basket. Diversify. What is an Anselm Williams vintage print worth these days. What anyone feels about the collector market is irrelevant.
I get that people invest in records for future value.. I buy to play, to show, to trade. What I hate is the slabbing and grading of records. I've purchased records from auction houses for many years.. now many of Heritage Auctions (and others) have some of the best stuff slabbed and not playable.. It's so annoying. I have yet to buy a slabbed record but when I'm forced into it I will unslab and listen, which will probably lower the 'value' of the record but I don't care, it's about the music and the history of the record for me.
I collect records to listen to. If I'm not going to listen to it, I won't buy it. However, I have no problem with the collector nerds who only want excellent condition original pressings for thousands of dollars. As long as I can still get good sounding copies of the records I want I will not have a problem with the gnarly spendy collectors.
Mazzy I love you. Yes your argument was bordering on non-sensical and full of conflicts. This said I 100% agree with you (what does that say about me?). For me “art” is to be experienced - I only buy records to listen to those records (ie experience). I am about to buy an original copy of “Glass Bead Games” by Clifford Jordan because CJ is my favorite jazz musician and Bill Lee’s bass playing is sublime. I have a repress already (Pure Pleasure), but I want the best sound possible for this record in particular. Other records a basic repress is just fine. When I get this $400 record I am going to play the fuck out of it and share it with everybody who will listen.
I see both sides of it. I collect records for the music and entertainment. I play everything. Records were made to be played. I have a reprint of Vincent Van Gogh’s Starry Night and enjoy looking at it. The original is in a museum. If there was a record museum that Blue Train would be in it. But if someone wants an original work of art just like a painting or a photograph and wants to pay that much for it then go ahead. And why there is no Jazz Hall of Fame is beyond me. New Orleans should have a Jazz hall of fame.
U were going great until the UHQR comment. I too am a collector. Bought a turntable mat of Sir Paul from his website. It has the round table with the white table cloth in the foreground and Paul's a shadowy figure to the right. Can't play it. It isn't a picture disc. Looks horrible. Linda must have taken the picture. And Paul isn't even my favorite Beatle. And, this is only my opinion, but sometimes Paul's ascetic judgment is not good. But I've got it framed and on the wall. See it every day. Glad I got it.
For over 20 years I used to be a full-on comic book fan...and collector. At a certain point I was buying $10.000+ comics just to get my collection complete, and I once I did complete it, it became a lot less fun and a lot more headache...If you have a collection that is worth more than your house you are dealing with insurance and safety issues etc...In short all the fun that the hobby once gave me was sucked out of it. So I sold about 90% of the collection about 6 years ago and started a new hobby...record collecting. But now I also listen to the music while I enjoy the "hunting" part of it.
$12000 for a copy of a Coltrane record? PT Barnum was right -- there really is one born every minute. Simply said, there is no such thing as buying records as an investment. The market is just entirely too volatile and unreliable. Sure -- you might have a record collection, may sell something in it which happens to land you a good return. But that's no more a sound investment than playing the pass line on a craps table, or winning a jackpot on a slot machine -- that's just luck.
Great video. This is like a sequel to Kiarostami's Certified Copy. Everyone should go and watch that masterpiece - and you get to spend a couple of hours looking at Juliette Binoche rather than Mike or Ken 😄
To each their own and so if someone is willing to pay $12,600 for a record so be it. To me it's "just music" for my enjoyment and in over 50 years of buying I have never done it for investing purposes, I use Wall Street for that and Nvidia was one of my latest picks!
I would imagine that I'm an odd collector: I love nothing more than finding battered original copies of rare records or first issues and cleaning them up, mending the sleeves etc. It's the sense of history that I really value. I will pay for pristine copies of rare records or rather, I have paid for such items but less so as I get older. Blue Note is a label that I collect and I have a number of originals and early issues, including an RVG. plastylite mono Blue Train; however, it really isn't that great an album! I realise it is sacrilege to suggest this but there are many better examples of Coltrane's playing than this...most of his Prestige's for example and his later Impulse! stuff.
As you have said It’s the music stupid!! Too many channels in the VC are more interested in how much the music they have is worth than talking about the music!! Records should not be treated like the stock market!!!
My life with records has always been ran by the “it’s the music, stupid” motto. Seldom have I bought a record that I already had on cd, or vice-versa. But lately, I’ve been more selective when it comes to editions and quality. But that’s it! For instance, I’ve been resisting to buy John Coltrane’s Ballads UHQR, because I have a 1995 CD edition from Impulse that sounds amazing. Still, the temptation is there… let’s see for how long I manage to stay strong and resist…
I bet these old Elvis records here are worth a fortune, this video has inspired me to take them down to the record shop and sell! I’m gonna be rich!!! Cheers Mazzy 🤪
Fascinating video Mazzy - thank you. I think whenever rarity and desirability come together you will get collectors spending large sums as an investment. That record might as well be a bottle of vintage wine or a signed print by Henri Cartier-Bresson. Rare & desirable. The $12,600 record will be handled with great care and probably not played. Of course record collecting and listening to music on vinyl are slightly different things - but there is a huge crossover too. Most of us exist somewhere in that crossover zone. I am not sure about your points regarding photographic prints. A modern photographic artist like Alec Soth uses a digital camera, will produce limited edition digital prints which sell for large sums. Is a Alec Soth digital archival pigment print less worthy of its price than a Helmut Newton silver gelatin print? Helmut Newton didn’t personally make most of his prints - much like Alec Soth. Yes the cost of printing from a neg in a darkroom might be more than the inkjet process, but the production method has nothing to do with the massive price tag. By the way, I would bet that hype-sticker on the Tony Williams record sleeve is not what Michele Clement had in mind when she produced that beautiful photograph. If it were mine, I would take off the shrink-wrap [and the sticker] and put the record in a clear sleeve. Hype stickers grind my gears - but that's just me though. Cheers - D
Agree David. I understand a hype sticker when the type of the artists name is so understated. This was that period when designers like Vaughn Oliver and David Carson did beautiful work, but with type that seems impossible to initially read. Thus a hype sticker was needed. But sadly removable ✌🏼
It just depends on what your into and budget whether stamps, coins or whatever. I like listening to audiophile quality records so I'll pay 30,40,or 50.00. If I was a collector I would not play a 12,000 record. If someone wants to collect and pay for a rare record it doesn't matter to me and I don't feel it affects what I might pay for a record from Accoustic sounds. I don't get what the debate is
Great talk, I’m a collector & listener. I buy to play & I buy to collect, have many sealed from 60s till now. I also listen to cds & cassettes, I guess I’m weird ❤
What do you use to hang your hats Mazzy? They look cool even when they're not on your head when displayed like that with your CD's. OG's are nice, but f@#k paying that for anything. Humans are essentially mean and evil. We look for leverage in any situation and capitalism/consumerism/collector mentality is just another way of our many ways for one group to have it over another group. It's school yard stuff "Ha, ha. I got it. You don't". Anyway it doesn't make the hats on display look any less cool even though I'm most likely a socialist.
Why can't we all accept that there are many reasons why people buy records and we all have different budgets. Why do we have to point out the ones who do the vinyl thing different than we do? EVERYTHING is an investment, if I would sell my collection today, I would tripple my money, but I never thought about doing it. But if anybody wants to sell, I am ready to buy. What should I buy if nobody sells???? Some people have 12.000,00 to spend, so knock yourself out, get a Blue Note, well done. I can not do this, but that does not diminish my enjoyment.
@@mazzysmusic Hey Mazzy . I was sitting around thinking about my three children fighting over my 20,000 + records just this weekend. I don’t plan on leaving too soon but you never know! Very good video as usual.
many of the hand drawn/painted/crafted Sun Ra records have been demanding four digit prices for several years now-- its been clear to me that this is due to art collectors recognizing the rarity (literally one of a kind) and historical context for these artifacts
Ive been collecting since I was 5 years old and im 57 and I have never had lots of money to purchase collectibles deliberately. I look for good copies of albums that I would like and make sure i take care of them so they last as long as humanly possible. So im definitely about the music....stupid... LOL
I've done well without trying. Records I bought for $10 or less worth hundreds even thousands now. When I see what someone has paid for items I own I can't believe it.
Mike from the In Groove is the Scrooge McDuck of record collecting. I really can’t stand the guy or how he “promotes” the hobby with his constant infomercials.
Yes, you're right. My man. It's gotten out of hand.... glad I never got caught up at it .....even though I've been buying records for 65 years, starting at 12 years old. And yes, I still have every record.I have Purchased. in the past....but .....it does take a room in my house to Store them. But I bought them because I'd liked them at the time .....not because I thought they're gonna be worth money in the future.
The approaches in all three videos are different but worthwhile watching. Mike’s is more of a dollars and cents approach while Ken’s is more artistic. I wasn’t sure about Mazzy’s approach but it seems to straddle the two. Collecting valuable records and listening to records are two different things. I don’t buy records to collect them but to listen. However, I’m fussy about what I buy. Used ones have to have both the sleeve and record in at least VG++ condition. I know some people love dollar bins but I’m not one of those. The most expensive records I have are probably a Music Masters and one of those Craft One Steps and I can’t see paying more than $125 for a record. However, to those who pay hundreds or thousands for a record, if that’s what makes them happy, that’s what counts. I should add that I took a look at the Jazz Record Center auctions and many of them look in pristine condition and some are affordable. You don’t have to pay a mint.
Isn’t a lot of it about rarity, quality and popularity? For example, the Coltrane record is rare and he is popular. The quality may be debatable, but the if there were still a million first edition copies available, I’d hazard a guess that they would not go for anywhere near $12000. For me, I buy what I like musically. Great commentary as always.
I was a pro photographer for years and bought photobooks to learn from the masters. Gradually became a collector. Started to hunt signed books. Having the signed artwork created a pleasant illusion of being closer to the artist. Surely that bonding emotion is behind much collecting of first pressings and the like. Some people value this emotion, others couldn’t care less. Very few collect purely for investment, I believe.
Well if spending 12K+ on a "guesstimated" OG of a BN Blue Train pressing doesn't piss some people off, consider the following. I would wager a small amount of money that the new owner of that expensive Coltrane is going to have it "professionally" graded and slabbed. The vinyl will probably be stuck between two thick plexiglass slabs in perpetuity and never sit on a turntable platter again. Plastic slabbed in plastic. Oh the humanity. Really good topic Mazzy and even though it was a ramble I agree with nearly everything you said. Ramble on! That's a Led Zep reference right there 😆
I buy records primarily for my listening pleasure. I collect records of the same artist or genre also for listening pleasure. I don't like when flippers get hold of an LP and then you can't get it for sensible money. That's where I stand
I gave my vinyl away when CDs arrived, and I’m not angry at anyone, including myself. NO ONE saw the huge collectibility of vinyl coming, back then, because it’s part of a cultural reaction against digitalization and virtualization, which only arose decades AFTER that vinyl was issued. Someone’s old records being worth $$$ is not a moral dilemma, it’s an unexpected blessing, and an opportunity, if you want it.
Haven't watched your entire vid yet, will tonight, but I too saw the auction result, often follow their auctions, and had a huge laugh when it ended last week. Don't know the details yet either but HAVE made 3-4 comments to VC friends about SOME of the high $ / lower grade vinyl "winners". I mean come on....
Mazzy :-) you are totally right. When we talk about music, it’s the listening to it just as life is about the living of it. Money just corrupts everything it touches; you and I are old and wise enough (I’m 75….was a hippy in the day) to realise the ultimate futility in money…have just enough to be comfortable and let the suits spend their lives trying to sate the insatiable drug that money is. You end up the richest man in the world and still can’t afford to pay the people who work for you a decent liveable wage for Gods sake: remember Jesus saying that it’s easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven :-). Let them drool over their John Coltrane LP or even their Picasso; we have the last laugh, and the last laugh is always the richest! All good wishes and peace, Tony
A very interesting piece, Mazzy. I'm pretty much aligned with your comments. There is a difference between music and, shall we call it, artwork. I would place Genesis books in the latter category, signed prints or screenprints such as Dylan's recent art pieces too, and there seems other items that can be classed as more music related but considered art-works too. The jazz album early edition, I understand although it is not something I personally chase. Like you, the music is the primary reason for records or CDs being in my collection. There are a few grey areas and discussion points. I don't think special editions generally conflict with the music (or with books for that matter) because often there is an alternative option at a less premium cost. Occasionally there are a few items where there are some conflicts. I am glad to have the full fat Bob Dylan Cutting Edge set, the full Woodstock set, the McCartney Archive Edition that included the Live in Europe extra set and the All Things Must Pass crate. The first two of these did have reduced sets thst gave a flavour for those who could perhaps not justify the cost of the full sets. The George Harrison set could essentially be obtained with the full tracklisting in a more economical forrmat and therefore the Uber set can probably be placed in your artwork category (and perhaps the Woodstock and Dylan sets too). I have more of a problem with the the Live McCartney set. Yes, I was able to hear this, but an awful lot of people who would have liked to have done likewise were unable to do so because of a choice by the McCartney camp to make this set very limited and expensive. The recordings have not subsequently been made available. Hope that make some sense. The examples may not be perfect but they do illustrate some of the points about collecting and it not affecting the music itself. I do understand your philosophy about that, and, in the main, it is true... but not always! Thanks for a very informative and thought,-provoking piece. Keep up the good work. It is always appreciated.
Hi Mazzy, your take on this topic was very well done and it was great you extended it to include the visual arts. For anyone who wants to consider this issue raised in your video and the others (Mike and Ken) regarding music collecting as an artform in itself I highly recommend the 2015 book 'Do not sell at any price' written by journalist Amanda Petrusich, which I consider one of the best books I have ever read on any subject and the 2003 documentary 'Desperate Man Blues' about the 78 rpm collector Joe Bussard. These might help with arriving at a perspective on what record collecting is about when it comes to art versus commodity!
I've always collected comics and vinyl records. Unfortunately, the relatively recent, huge price hike in vintage comic books has really taken the fun out of the hobby for me. I can only see the same thing happening with the records. I am only consoled by the fact that at least there are some decent remastered vinyl versions now available.
Great takes Mazzy! I appreciated you bringing your career experiences into this to illustrate considerations of scarcity versus investment. I have no problem with records going for ridiculous amount of money and I tend to agree with Mike Esposito that this is only going to get bigger. In fact, I'm not even really sure if this thing's even tapped close to its potential yet in terms of an investment market. That is not a endorsement, just an observation... We shall see
I pretty much align with you on this, Mazzy. I buy very few new records. I get most of mine from thrift stores, estate sales, and if I want to “splurge” I’ll get some from the used section of local record shop. You described it well when you said your collection grows organically. That’s exactly how I would describe how I curate mine. Most of my records I own because I like the music on them, with some oddities sprinkled in that are weird or unique. Of course I would be thrilled to find a rare valuable record out in the wild, but I’ve never paid more than I think $60.00 for any of my records, and that one was brand new.
I have that Yellow Submarine model kit. Someday I'll build it, maybe. I see these debates online from time to time. Everyone has their opinion obviously. There is a lot of nuance to it. To me, it's just following your passion and means. I mainly do it to enjoy the music but it is also nice to build a small collection of items that have some special meaning. I have such a tiny collection compared to Mazzy and other serious music collectors and enthusiasts. To each their own. If it it brings you joy who are the rest to judge?
As a kid I started by collecting coins and stamps. Then at about 11 years old I bought my first lp, Abbey Road. That changed everything due to the fact that u cant do anything with coins n stamps. You wouldnt buy Xmas cards with your coin collection and you cant use the stamps up to mail them, but a record you can play. It makes music. I became a collector at 19. I now collect a certain type of album ( label identified promo's ) but I have a 100 dollar limit. This does limit me. Some of the lps I would like cost hundreds of dollars but my resorses are limited and.... I still want to play them so a one hundred dollar limit is a fair limit 4 me. Add to that I buy copies of lps I already own 90% of the time so I can sell one to offset the cost. Its a great deal of fun and I still play them. I was stunned by your Marque Moon WLP. Sent chills up my spine. Im sure I cant afford to buy that lp as its most likely worth 3 to 4 hundred.
As always, an interesting and enjoyable watch. I expect many commentators on this one. Maybe a mention and internal debate of RSD releases would've been in order. And the $150 one step issues. Thanks MASLOV
Collecting first pressings is no different than collecting any other object. This isn’t about the music it’s about collecting and according to the description this record was mint. What amazed me is the number of bidders that were prepared to pay that kind of cash!
It all depends with whom you buy it from. To a reputable collector I would consider it, but with all the knock off i would have to look who I bought it from and his credentials. 24:11
I've always bought records for me, it's been the same for decades. I don't buy audiophile Lp"s, I enjoy listening to other music lovers, like Mazzy and I will continue to buy good vinyl. That's what means more to me. Great stuff Mazzy. Mate.
The good thing about having 12k to invest in a piece of art is that none of our opinions matter. Good for them. Preserve this art and help it rise to the level of other collectible art.
The end of the day a vinyl record is only worth what someone wishes to pay for it! It's just that some people have a lot of money nowadays that we cannot compete with!
I remember an Osbourne price guide from the mid 1970’s with a picture of an armored truck and two guards on the cover because certain records were thought to be so valuable.
The bidder has paid $12600.00 for a 2nd pressing, I don't care what KM say about it being a 1st, the 1st is 47 W 63rd NY 23 both sides, this one wasn't, the arument is that NY23 both sides doesn't exist because we have never seen one, look at the facts, labels 47 W 63rd NY 23 exist as side 1 and side 2 therefore I think it reasonable that Bluenote had the ability to pair them correctly.
again I totally share your point of view, based on my own record collecting, or should I better say record listening, experience. I never bought records because they might be of any financial value in the future, just for my listening pleasure. But if anybody does collect pricy originals, it's fine with me and does not disturbe me in any way. I also like your comparison with the photo world, which is my second hobby.
Whatever the item, be it Beatles lunch boxes or LZ II RL, it’s basically demand vs supply. As for the Coltrane-blue note, did anyone pause to think that it may have been due to a bidding war among bidders with deep pockets? This shit happens all the time on eBay…
I've always said that it's a great feeling knowing that you have got a record in ya collection that's super rare and worth a lot of money, it makes me feel proud and that your up there with the top end collectors, but 99 times out of 100 I buy just for the music. I really enjoyed your video and will watch that again soon. Luv the show.
Normal is... listening to the music stupid. Admiring the musicianship, the creativity and the artwork while you are listening. Definitely NOT thinking about 'the value' of one's collection. One of the most common things said to me when people see rows of LPs I'm my room... you must have spent a fortune on those LPs and my answer back is... not nearly as much as you have on cigarettes and it doesn't affect my health!
An original is just an early often first edition, it has nothing of itself to do with the quality of the audio contained within the groove - the last thing for quality you'd buy over here for quality is a U.K. First Pressing Mono Pet Sounds which is a fold down of the duophonic! But it sells for a fair bit. Like you'd I'd say buy for the music first, if it increases in in value, then that's great. If you just want collectables then if that's your bag, that okay, no one is being injured by it but don't presume they're the best "play" copies as that wasn't what you bought.
@spongerubbertower not totally accurate. I have hundreds, probably thousands of original and very early pressings that I purchased on their release. If it’s music I passed on or didn’t know about back then , I’ll buy a reissue if the quality is good and I can’t find an early copy for a reasonable price.
New to the record scene and can’t fathom buying anything over $50 to play. Have seen some records for sale for $100-$250, and i just pass in hopes of finding a cheaper version down the road. But I do get the appeal of having a mint original print sitting on your shelf. It’s just so much fun to dig through the crates open to anything interesting.
I am a music fan who likes physical media..cd/vinyl. I buy stuff to listen to. If I have anything that's worth anything my family can sort it out after I have shuffled off my mortal coil... It's the music stupid...😉🤣🤣🤣🤘
Do you not think that Coltrane that sold for 12 grand went to a pension scheme or an investor. When you get to those kinda figures, you aren’t taking about the music.
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there is not a way in the world that I would put a 12,000 album on the turntable to listen to. I don't buy records to put up and NOT play.
Yes agree i play all vinyl even expensive ones
Once again, great commentary- it’s nice to hear someone with a passion for music collecting articulate that passion. Collecting is such a weird fetishistic thing; I’ve only recently started buying vinyl a few years ago when I realized how much I missed all the records I purged back in the mid 80s when cds were all the rage. I realized that I loved the format; the liner notes, the printed lyrics, LARGER print, the art work, inserts etc but I also really appreciate the economy of means that lead artists to put their best music on two sides, making a statement of sorts while being cognizant of the sequencing and flow…the advent of the LP as an art form was so great and continues to inspire me.
In the meantime, my DOL copy of Blue Train that was given to me as a Christmas gift by my son sounds great to me and is the only copy I will probably ever own.
The RL Led Zep II is highly sought after now because people in the "VC" won't STFU about it.
I have a later press of Led Zep ll and it sounds fine.
same. shockingly my RCA record club copies from the 80's sound excellent. @@vinylrichie007
I smell a Seinfeld episode in this topic. How much are Sérgio Mendes and Al Jolson records selling for?
Good commentary. What I gathered from InGroveMike's video was that the creme-de-la-creme records will see skyrocketing appreciation, but that's for the best versions of the rarest records. The Coltrane record was a first pressing in nearly perfect condition and how many of those are in the marketplace? Not many. Same goes for the Misfits 45s he showed, particularly the 'bullet' 45. The overwhelming majority of records are not going to appreciate like the ones he mentioned.
I think I align with your thinking here in that I find the idea of certain records being purchased as investments to be distasteful, but I understand it.
People still pay ridiculous sums of money for certain art pieces. I'm not sure stock (still) photography falls into this realm, but you'd know better than I would. Digital photography has flooded the marketplace with relatively high-quality product, so much so that microstock dominates stock. Anyway, good stuff. Didn't realize you dealt in photography. 😉
Cheers, Tom
Cheers. Good comments ✌🏼
As a poor college student in the 1980s (now, I'm a less-poor old man), I collected original-release one-sheet movie posters. Most of the poster I purchased were less than $5, though I did pay up to $35 for a few. Now, some of those poster sell for hundreds, if not thousands of dollars (Example, I bought a mint one-sheet for Breakfast at Tiffany's for $1 out of the bargain bins at Bond Street Books in Burbank...that poster now regularly sells for between $4,000-$7,000.) Here's the rub. I wish it was still closer to $10, as I've probably only bought five, relatively inexpensive posters in the last ten years. I didn't buy my posters as investments; I bought them because I loved motion pictures. Many record collectors no doubt feel the same way; it's the tunes, dummy!
Why did I watch this?!!! I still haven't gone through my late dad's jazz collection yet!!! And he probably had the Coltrane record from the 1st release. In fact, I know he had it! And he really took care of his shit!!! This is making me nuts!!! I have got to get to work!!!! 🫣
Interesting coincidence…I happen to buy an OG copy of Blue Train Mike from Theingroove had on his site. It was $1,200 which is a lot if money. However I play it and it sounds amazing and I plan on holding in to it fit another 30 years then I’ll gift it to my daughter. At that point she can sell it for good money and it’s the best of both worlds.
It almost never happens and is *EXTREMELY* rare... But Mazzy, I believe this time you're right! 😁 I happened to buy Nirvana's 1st US pressing of Nevermind when it came out. Why, because I like it. Recently, I happened by chance to find out it's worth $1000 - $2000 That's nice... Actually, that's VERY nice... BUT... I like to listen to it, so... what... Like you said, you just happened to start buying records that long ago (probably about 10 years or so before I did) so, you're simply going to have older stuff that HAPPENS to have become more valuable over time. Again, that's nice... 😊
Hi Mazzy, I dont understand why this is news. Certainly many records have sold for more than $12,600 in the past?
Every time you lift the framed Michele Clement photograph I fear it falling out of your hands. Stop that Mazzy!😂😂😂
You made some very good arguments on both sides. Unlike someone else’s video which suggested that a comic book grading company should get into grading vinyl? 😵💫 🤦🏻 If Chad makes a UHQR of George Harrison, he stole your idea!
Baseball cards have sold for over $10,000,000. Vintage guitars prices have gone crazy over the last several years. Records as a collectable are probably relatively underpriced very significantly. A collectable is worth what someone is willing to pay at a point in time. Prices can go up and down. The cardinal rule of investing is dont put all your eggs in one basket. Diversify. What is an Anselm Williams vintage print worth these days. What anyone feels about the collector market is irrelevant.
I get that people invest in records for future value.. I buy to play, to show, to trade. What I hate is the slabbing and grading of records. I've purchased records from auction houses for many years.. now many of Heritage Auctions (and others) have some of the best stuff slabbed and not playable.. It's so annoying. I have yet to buy a slabbed record but when I'm forced into it I will unslab and listen, which will probably lower the 'value' of the record but I don't care, it's about the music and the history of the record for me.
I collect records to listen to. If I'm not going to listen to it, I won't buy it. However, I have no problem with the collector nerds who only want excellent condition original pressings for thousands of dollars. As long as I can still get good sounding copies of the records I want I will not have a problem with the gnarly spendy collectors.
Mazzy I love you. Yes your argument was bordering on non-sensical and full of conflicts. This said I 100% agree with you (what does that say about me?).
For me “art” is to be experienced - I only buy records to listen to those records (ie experience). I am about to buy an original copy of “Glass Bead Games” by Clifford Jordan because CJ is my favorite jazz musician and Bill Lee’s bass playing is sublime. I have a repress already (Pure Pleasure), but I want the best sound possible for this record in particular. Other records a basic repress is just fine. When I get this $400 record I am going to play the fuck out of it and share it with everybody who will listen.
Some people have crazy money they can afford originals.what is 10 thousand dollars to a billionaire
And they buy such things to impress other people, not enjoy them.
I see both sides of it. I collect records for the music and entertainment. I play everything. Records were made to be played. I have a reprint of Vincent Van Gogh’s Starry Night and enjoy looking at it. The original is in a museum. If there was a record museum that Blue Train would be in it. But if someone wants an original work of art just like a painting or a photograph and wants to pay that much for it then go ahead. And why there is no Jazz Hall of Fame is beyond me. New Orleans should have a Jazz hall of fame.
U were going great until the UHQR comment. I too am a collector. Bought a turntable mat of Sir Paul from his website. It has the round table with the white table cloth in the foreground and Paul's a shadowy figure to the right. Can't play it. It isn't a picture disc. Looks horrible. Linda must have taken the picture. And Paul isn't even my favorite Beatle. And, this is only my opinion, but sometimes Paul's ascetic judgment is not good. But I've got it framed and on the wall. See it every day. Glad I got it.
For over 20 years I used to be a full-on comic book fan...and collector. At a certain point I was buying $10.000+ comics just to get my collection complete, and I once I did complete it, it became a lot less fun and a lot more headache...If you have a collection that is worth more than your house you are dealing with insurance and safety issues etc...In short all the fun that the hobby once gave me was sucked out of it. So I sold about 90% of the collection about 6 years ago and started a new hobby...record collecting. But now I also listen to the music while I enjoy the "hunting" part of it.
$12000 for a copy of a Coltrane record? PT Barnum was right -- there really is one born every minute. Simply said, there is no such thing as buying records as an investment. The market is just entirely too volatile and unreliable. Sure -- you might have a record collection, may sell something in it which happens to land you a good return. But that's no more a sound investment than playing the pass line on a craps table, or winning a jackpot on a slot machine -- that's just luck.
Great video. This is like a sequel to Kiarostami's Certified Copy. Everyone should go and watch that masterpiece - and you get to spend a couple of hours looking at Juliette Binoche rather than Mike or Ken 😄
To each their own and so if someone is willing to pay $12,600 for a record so be it. To me it's "just music" for my enjoyment and in over 50 years of buying I have never done it for investing purposes, I use Wall Street for that and Nvidia was one of my latest picks!
I don’t think Blue Train is that good of an album.
Nor me. I completely agree....and I have an original mono.
Yeah, not my favorite BN either. I think it is more an icon because its the one Coltrane did for BN. Certainly not in my top 10 John Coltrane albums.
I would imagine that I'm an odd collector: I love nothing more than finding battered original copies of rare records or first issues and cleaning them up, mending the sleeves etc. It's the sense of history that I really value. I will pay for pristine copies of rare records or rather, I have paid for such items but less so as I get older. Blue Note is a label that I collect and I have a number of originals and early issues, including an RVG. plastylite mono Blue Train; however, it really isn't that great an album! I realise it is sacrilege to suggest this but there are many better examples of Coltrane's playing than this...most of his Prestige's for example and his later Impulse! stuff.
As you have said It’s the music stupid!! Too many channels in the VC are more interested in how much the music they have is worth than talking about the music!! Records should not be treated like the stock market!!!
My life with records has always been ran by the “it’s the music, stupid” motto. Seldom have I bought a record that I already had on cd, or vice-versa. But lately, I’ve been more selective when it comes to editions and quality. But that’s it! For instance, I’ve been resisting to buy John Coltrane’s Ballads UHQR, because I have a 1995 CD edition from Impulse that sounds amazing. Still, the temptation is there… let’s see for how long I manage to stay strong and resist…
I bet these old Elvis records here are worth a fortune, this video has inspired me to take them down to the record shop and sell! I’m gonna be rich!!! Cheers Mazzy 🤪
One man's treasure is another man's junk. Buy what you enjoy.
If you just buy a record to play it why buy the expensive one its the same music ypur getting
I admire anyone who chooses to listen to player copies of the grails they collect and cherish but I don’t resent those who resent that
I didn’t realize I was a record collector until I saw the album Record Collectors Are Pretentious A-holes by Poison Idea.
Why do you hate Bret Michaels?
@@ConcertBuddie Who?
I've said it before and I'll say it again - covers are meant to be looked at.
Maz that’s the best click bait title of all time!! Thanks man for being you
Ive got a signed Ralph Steadman print from the 70/80s - not sure its worth a hill of beans but I like it
My most lingering frustration 🫤 .. I can't get Bouncing Babies by The Teardrop Explodes.
Fascinating video Mazzy - thank you. I think whenever rarity and desirability come together you will get collectors spending large sums as an investment. That record might as well be a bottle of vintage wine or a signed print by Henri Cartier-Bresson. Rare & desirable. The $12,600 record will be handled with great care and probably not played.
Of course record collecting and listening to music on vinyl are slightly different things - but there is a huge crossover too. Most of us exist somewhere in that crossover zone.
I am not sure about your points regarding photographic prints. A modern photographic artist like Alec Soth uses a digital camera, will produce limited edition digital prints which sell for large sums. Is a Alec Soth digital archival pigment print less worthy of its price than a Helmut Newton silver gelatin print? Helmut Newton didn’t personally make most of his prints - much like Alec Soth. Yes the cost of printing from a neg in a darkroom might be more than the inkjet process, but the production method has nothing to do with the massive price tag.
By the way, I would bet that hype-sticker on the Tony Williams record sleeve is not what Michele Clement had in mind when she produced that beautiful photograph. If it were mine, I would take off the shrink-wrap [and the sticker] and put the record in a clear sleeve. Hype stickers grind my gears - but that's just me though.
Cheers - D
Agree David. I understand a hype sticker when the type of the artists name is so understated. This was that period when designers like Vaughn Oliver and David Carson did beautiful work, but with type that seems impossible to initially read. Thus a hype sticker was needed. But sadly removable ✌🏼
Come on, Mazzy, I want to see a series of videos of you constructing that Yellow Submarine kit. Get to it 😉
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It just depends on what your into and budget whether stamps, coins or whatever. I like listening to audiophile quality records so I'll pay 30,40,or 50.00. If I was a collector I would not play a 12,000 record. If someone wants to collect and pay for a rare record it doesn't matter to me and I don't feel it affects what I might pay for a record from Accoustic sounds.
I don't get what the debate is
Great talk, I’m a collector & listener. I buy to play & I buy to collect, have many sealed from 60s till now. I also listen to cds & cassettes, I guess I’m weird ❤
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FREE MARKET CAPITALISM. 🎉
What do you use to hang your hats Mazzy? They look cool even when they're not on your head when displayed like that with your CD's.
OG's are nice, but f@#k paying that for anything. Humans are essentially mean and evil. We look for leverage in any situation and capitalism/consumerism/collector mentality is just another way of our many ways for one group to have it over another group. It's school yard stuff "Ha, ha. I got it. You don't".
Anyway it doesn't make the hats on display look any less cool even though I'm most likely a socialist.
The hats behind are simply hanging on CDs pulled slightly out from the others. ✌🏼🤠
@@mazzysmusic Aaaah! So simple yet effective.
Some people "know the the price of everything and the value of nothing"
Good Quote 👍
I collect CTI laminated gatefolds 75% for the cover art.
And I still love the music.
Why can't we all accept that there are many reasons why people buy records and we all have different budgets. Why do we have to point out the ones who do the vinyl thing different than we do? EVERYTHING is an investment, if I would sell my collection today, I would tripple my money, but I never thought about doing it. But if anybody wants to sell, I am ready to buy. What should I buy if nobody sells???? Some people have 12.000,00 to spend, so knock yourself out, get a Blue Note, well done. I can not do this, but that does not diminish my enjoyment.
Ever considered what will happen with your collection when you die?
Yes. If Mike doesn’t pick them up this weekend, I have a succession plan. 🤠
@@mazzysmusic Hey Mazzy . I was sitting around thinking about my three children fighting over my 20,000 + records just this weekend. I don’t plan on leaving too soon but you never know! Very good video as usual.
many of the hand drawn/painted/crafted Sun Ra records have been demanding four digit prices for several years now-- its been clear to me that this is due to art collectors recognizing the rarity (literally one of a kind) and historical context for these artifacts
Ive been collecting since I was 5 years old and im 57 and I have never had lots of money to purchase collectibles deliberately. I look for good copies of albums that I would like and make sure i take care of them so they last as long as humanly possible. So im definitely about the music....stupid... LOL
I've done well without trying. Records I bought for $10 or less worth hundreds even thousands now. When I see what someone has paid for items I own I can't believe it.
Mike from the In Groove is the Scrooge McDuck of record collecting. I really can’t stand the guy or how he “promotes” the hobby with his constant infomercials.
Yes, you're right. My man. It's gotten out of hand.... glad I never got caught up at it .....even though I've been buying records for 65 years, starting at 12 years old. And yes, I still have every record.I have Purchased. in the past....but .....it does take a room in my house to Store them. But I bought them because I'd liked them at the time .....not because I thought they're gonna be worth money in the future.
The approaches in all three videos are different but worthwhile watching. Mike’s is more of a dollars and cents approach while Ken’s is more artistic. I wasn’t sure about Mazzy’s approach but it seems to straddle the two. Collecting valuable records and listening to records are two different things. I don’t buy records to collect them but to listen. However, I’m fussy about what I buy. Used ones have to have both the sleeve and record in at least VG++ condition. I know some people love dollar bins but I’m not one of those. The most expensive records I have are probably a Music Masters and one of those Craft One Steps and I can’t see paying more than $125 for a record. However, to those who pay hundreds or thousands for a record, if that’s what makes them happy, that’s what counts.
I should add that I took a look at the Jazz Record Center auctions and many of them look in pristine condition and some are affordable. You don’t have to pay a mint.
Isn’t a lot of it about rarity, quality and popularity? For example, the Coltrane record is rare and he is popular. The quality may be debatable, but the if there were still a million first edition copies available, I’d hazard a guess that they would not go for anywhere near $12000. For me, I buy what I like musically. Great commentary as always.
I was a pro photographer for years and bought photobooks to learn from the masters. Gradually became a collector. Started to hunt signed books. Having the signed artwork created a pleasant illusion of being closer to the artist. Surely that bonding emotion is behind much collecting of first pressings and the like. Some people value this emotion, others couldn’t care less. Very few collect purely for investment, I believe.
Well if spending 12K+ on a "guesstimated" OG of a BN Blue Train pressing doesn't piss some people off, consider the following. I would wager a small amount of money that the new owner of that expensive Coltrane is going to have it "professionally" graded and slabbed. The vinyl will probably be stuck between two thick plexiglass slabs in perpetuity and never sit on a turntable platter again. Plastic slabbed in plastic. Oh the humanity. Really good topic Mazzy and even though it was a ramble I agree with nearly everything you said. Ramble on! That's a Led Zep reference right there 😆
I buy records primarily for my listening pleasure. I collect records of the same artist or genre also for listening pleasure. I don't like when flippers get hold of an LP and then you can't get it for sensible money. That's where I stand
I gave my vinyl away when CDs arrived, and I’m not angry at anyone, including myself. NO ONE saw the huge collectibility of vinyl coming, back then, because it’s part of a cultural reaction against digitalization and virtualization, which only arose decades AFTER that vinyl was issued.
Someone’s old records being worth $$$ is not a moral dilemma, it’s an unexpected blessing, and an opportunity, if you want it.
Haven't watched your entire vid yet, will tonight, but I too saw the auction result, often follow their auctions, and had a huge laugh when it ended last week.
Don't know the details yet either but HAVE made 3-4 comments to VC friends about SOME of the high $ / lower grade vinyl "winners". I mean come on....
Mazzy :-) you are totally right. When we talk about music, it’s the listening to it just as life is about the living of it. Money just corrupts everything it touches; you and I are old and wise enough (I’m 75….was a hippy in the day) to realise the ultimate futility in money…have just enough to be comfortable and let the suits spend their lives trying to sate the insatiable drug that money is. You end up the richest man in the world and still can’t afford to pay the people who work for you a decent liveable wage for Gods sake: remember Jesus saying that it’s easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven :-). Let them drool over their John Coltrane LP or even their Picasso; we have the last laugh, and the last laugh is always the richest!
All good wishes and peace, Tony
A very interesting piece, Mazzy.
I'm pretty much aligned with your comments. There is a difference between music and, shall we call it, artwork. I would place Genesis books in the latter category, signed prints or screenprints such as Dylan's recent art pieces too, and there seems other items that can be classed as more music related but considered art-works too. The jazz album early edition, I understand although it is not something I personally chase. Like you, the music is the primary reason for records or CDs being in my collection.
There are a few grey areas and discussion points. I don't think special editions generally conflict with the music (or with books for that matter) because often there is an alternative option at a less premium cost.
Occasionally there are a few items where there are some conflicts. I am glad to have the full fat Bob Dylan Cutting Edge set, the full Woodstock set, the McCartney Archive Edition that included the Live in Europe extra set and the All Things Must Pass crate. The first two of these did have reduced sets thst gave a flavour for those who could perhaps not justify the cost of the full sets. The George Harrison set could essentially be obtained with the full tracklisting in a more economical forrmat and therefore the Uber set can probably be placed in your artwork category (and perhaps the Woodstock and Dylan sets too). I have more of a problem with the the Live McCartney set. Yes, I was able to hear this, but an awful lot of people who would have liked to have done likewise were unable to do so because of a choice by the McCartney camp to make this set very limited and expensive. The recordings have not subsequently been made available.
Hope that make some sense. The examples may not be perfect but they do illustrate some of the points about collecting and it not affecting the music itself. I do understand your philosophy about that, and, in the main, it is true... but not always!
Thanks for a very informative and thought,-provoking piece. Keep up the good work. It is always appreciated.
Hi Mazzy, your take on this topic was very well done and it was great you extended it to include the visual arts. For anyone who wants to consider this issue raised in your video and the others (Mike and Ken) regarding music collecting as an artform in itself I highly recommend the 2015 book 'Do not sell at any price' written by journalist Amanda Petrusich, which I consider one of the best books I have ever read on any subject and the 2003 documentary 'Desperate Man Blues' about the 78 rpm collector Joe Bussard. These might help with arriving at a perspective on what record collecting is about when it comes to art versus commodity!
“… so what am I trying to say…” Mazzy, I don’t often know what you are trying to say, but I always love listening to you. Michael loves you.
I've always collected comics and vinyl records. Unfortunately, the relatively recent, huge price hike in vintage comic books has really taken the fun out of the hobby for me. I can only see the same thing happening with the records. I am only consoled by the fact that at least there are some decent remastered vinyl versions now available.
Great takes Mazzy! I appreciated you bringing your career experiences into this to illustrate considerations of scarcity versus investment. I have no problem with records going for ridiculous amount of money and I tend to agree with Mike Esposito that this is only going to get bigger. In fact, I'm not even really sure if this thing's even tapped close to its potential yet in terms of an investment market. That is not a endorsement, just an observation... We shall see
I pretty much align with you on this, Mazzy.
I buy very few new records. I get most of mine from thrift stores, estate sales, and if I want to “splurge” I’ll get some from the used section of local record shop. You described it well when you said your collection grows organically. That’s exactly how I would describe how I curate mine. Most of my records I own because I like the music on them, with some oddities sprinkled in that are weird or unique. Of course I would be thrilled to find a rare valuable record out in the wild, but I’ve never paid more than I think $60.00 for any of my records, and that one was brand new.
Both amusing and interesting following you! Thx Norman!
I have that Yellow Submarine model kit. Someday I'll build it, maybe. I see these debates online from time to time. Everyone has their opinion obviously. There is a lot of nuance to it. To me, it's just following your passion and means. I mainly do it to enjoy the music but it is also nice to build a small collection of items that have some special meaning. I have such a tiny collection compared to Mazzy and other serious music collectors and enthusiasts. To each their own. If it it brings you joy who are the rest to judge?
As a kid I started by collecting coins and stamps. Then at about 11 years old I bought my first lp, Abbey Road. That changed everything due to the fact that u cant do anything with coins n stamps. You wouldnt buy Xmas cards with your coin collection and you cant use the stamps up to mail them, but a record you can play. It makes music. I became a collector at 19. I now collect a certain type of album ( label identified promo's ) but I have a 100 dollar limit. This does limit me. Some of the lps I would like cost hundreds of dollars but my resorses are limited and.... I still want to play them so a one hundred dollar limit is a fair limit 4 me. Add to that I buy copies of lps I already own 90% of the time so I can sell one to offset the cost. Its a great deal of fun and I still play them. I was stunned by your Marque Moon WLP. Sent chills up my spine. Im sure I cant afford to buy that lp as its most likely worth 3 to 4 hundred.
As always, an interesting and enjoyable watch.
I expect many commentators on this one.
Maybe a mention and internal debate of RSD releases would've been in order.
And the $150 one step issues.
Thanks MASLOV
Collecting first pressings is no different than collecting any other object. This isn’t about the music it’s about collecting and according to the description this record was mint. What amazed me is the number of bidders that were prepared to pay that kind of cash!
It all depends with whom you buy it from. To a reputable collector I would consider it, but with all the knock off i would have to look who I bought it from and his credentials. 24:11
I've always bought records for me, it's been the same for decades. I don't buy audiophile Lp"s, I enjoy listening to other music lovers, like Mazzy and I will continue to buy good vinyl. That's what means more to me. Great stuff Mazzy. Mate.
The good thing about having 12k to invest in a piece of art is that none of our opinions matter. Good for them. Preserve this art and help it rise to the level of other collectible art.
I collect records to pass on to my kids because I can’t sell them… but I don’t think they’re that interested in em 😢
The end of the day a vinyl record is only worth what someone wishes to pay for it!
It's just that some people have a lot of money nowadays that we cannot compete with!
I remember an Osbourne price guide from the mid 1970’s with a picture of an armored truck and two guards on the cover because certain records were thought to be so valuable.
"hey mazzy nice tchotchkeys" -Mike E 😅
I'm interested in the topic since I have one, but it's a blue note liberty pressing
The bidder has paid $12600.00 for a 2nd pressing, I don't care what KM say about it being a 1st, the 1st is 47 W 63rd NY 23 both sides, this one wasn't, the arument is that NY23 both sides doesn't exist because we have never seen one, look at the facts, labels 47 W 63rd NY 23 exist as side 1 and side 2 therefore I think it reasonable that Bluenote had the ability to pair them correctly.
Interesting.
again I totally share your point of view, based on my own record collecting, or should I better say record listening, experience. I never bought records because they might be of any financial value in the future, just for my listening pleasure. But if anybody does collect pricy originals, it's fine with me and does not disturbe me in any way. I also like your comparison with the photo world, which is my second hobby.
Well said!✌🏼
Whatever the item, be it Beatles lunch boxes or LZ II RL, it’s basically demand vs supply. As for the Coltrane-blue note, did anyone pause to think that it may have been due to a bidding war among bidders with deep pockets? This shit happens all the time on eBay…
Well of course the bidders had deep pockets
Mazzy, If someone paid you 350K for your collection if would break your heart.
It wouldn’t break my heart. Cash 😎
Myself, it's always been about the music. However, I collect records. There's room for both.
Agree ✌🏼
I've always said that it's a great feeling knowing that you have got a record in ya collection that's super rare and worth a lot of money, it makes me feel proud and that your up there with the top end collectors, but 99 times out of 100 I buy just for the music. I really enjoyed your video and will watch that again soon.
Luv the show.
Thank you ✌🏼
Nice to see a Residents record.
Loved the video Mazzy! Thanks for making me feel normal! It's about the music stupid!
What’s normal?
Normal is... listening to the music stupid. Admiring the musicianship, the creativity and the artwork while you are listening. Definitely NOT thinking about 'the value' of one's collection. One of the most common things said to me when people see rows of LPs I'm my room... you must have spent a fortune on those LPs and my answer back is... not nearly as much as you have on cigarettes and it doesn't affect my health!
An original is just an early often first edition, it has nothing of itself to do with the quality of the audio contained within the groove - the last thing for quality you'd buy over here for quality is a U.K. First Pressing Mono Pet Sounds which is a fold down of the duophonic! But it sells for a fair bit.
Like you'd I'd say buy for the music first, if it increases in in value, then that's great. If you just want collectables then if that's your bag, that okay, no one is being injured by it but don't presume they're the best "play" copies as that wasn't what you bought.
Got a UK 1st mono Pet Sounds it sounds terrible
@@ergloo6660 U S Capitol sounds crappy. The remaster from the early 70’s on their “ Brother/Reprise “ label is the nuts !
I like michelle clement picture. What kind of phone did she use to take it?
What a joker. Serious a Sinar Bron 4x5 😵💫😎
Why are your videos so much brighter than any others on RUclips?
He films in HDR, it’s great
@@cradio52 it is?
Pretty simple answer. You can do what you want. Do what is consistent with your trip and what you can live with
If you don't care about the value of your records, why this hung up video? It's the music, Mazzy, remember.
I guess I'm a conspiracy theorists here. What if Mike bought it? Makes his worth more now doesn't it?
If Mike bought it from Ken, that would be a big surprise. But so what, even if he did?
@spongerubbertower not totally accurate. I have hundreds, probably thousands of original and very early pressings that I purchased on their release. If it’s music I passed on or didn’t know about back then , I’ll buy a reissue if the quality is good and I can’t find an early copy for a reasonable price.
@mazzysmusic It's fine if he did. I just can't help but to be a little cynical about it. Honestly I think if Mike did buy it he'd make a video on it.
New to the record scene and can’t fathom buying anything over $50 to play. Have seen some records for sale for $100-$250, and i just pass in hopes of finding a cheaper version down the road. But I do get the appeal of having a mint original print sitting on your shelf. It’s just so much fun to dig through the crates open to anything interesting.
I am a music fan who likes physical media..cd/vinyl. I buy stuff to listen to. If I have anything that's worth anything my family can sort it out after I have shuffled off my mortal coil... It's the music stupid...😉🤣🤣🤣🤘
Do you not think that Coltrane that sold for 12 grand went to a pension scheme or an investor. When you get to those kinda figures, you aren’t taking about the music.
Yeah. You may be right. Some folks have so much need/want to find ways to spend 🤷🏻♂️