Thank you for the way you explained voltage vs amperage vs ohms, I don't know anything about electricity and all of those terms were so complicated to me until you used the garden hose!! Now I understand!!
There's an old GS 14 whose name I cannot recall that gave me that analogy back when I was in naval Gunnery school .. they trained us on how to work with electronic circuits .. but then i went off and went to work on the oldest system the Navy had .. no electronics 😁 Finally, the education pays off!
One of humanity's little travestis is the loss of time spent in and around garages and backyards with our fathers or children on some sunday afternoon just going through learning and teaching about tools and processes and experiments and bounding. It was a precious pleasure and skills gaining valuable experience that is becoming more and more rare. Every capable adult must always try his or her best to make young people regain that little ol'spark in the eyes we all once had when being through those experiences with our fathers and family.
I appreciate your method. It's nice to see someone who will run the experiment and show the results whether good or bad. Much more credible than those people always trying to prove it works no matter what.
Good experiments ! I would offer some advice dealing with such low voltages and currents. Don't interface your body with the terminals. AT 25:48 where the voltage is "jumping all over the place" it's more than likely because you are handling the terminals. You can just hold the test meter probes in your hands, left and right, and you will measure a voltage, also in handling the terminals you will be dissipating current through your body, which will lower the voltage. Your body will act as a resistor and also as a capacitor. Either wear insulated gloves, or simply don't touch the terminals when your taking measurements, you also made this mistake earlier in the video, where you were measuring the bare rods in the soil, you were steadying your hands on the anode and cathode whilst taking a reading. Hope this helps, but really, great experiment ! I've seen a lot of these experiments, and all with interesting results, but people often comment on how low the power output is. Of course, like anything, this is simply a matter of scale, and practicality, multiplying 1 by 12, or 1 by 120 or 240 isn't rocket science after all :)
I had a set of test leads with alligator clips at first, but one of the leads broke. I'll need to get a new set before doing the next alternative power experiment (microbial fuel cells, whee!) Hehe .. you wrote "whilst" .. Have you noticed that there are some words that we only use in writing? 😁
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Intelligent scripting? I keep a couple of 'gator clips handy to slip on or off the test leads, giving me a choice, or you can just use the old leads from those Harder Fate meters that only last a month or so, with a soldered set of clips on them.
Ok I want to say this was a good experiment, But i think it is truly possibly to get great amount of power from the earth like this using the right metal and method. Lets think for a moment I want to make you think like Mr Tesla. There is energy all around us. Rf waves energy from space , wind, the sun. You can even get energy from water if you do it the right way. Is there free energy. Yes I truly think so. We just have to put all of our minds together and harness it.
I don't disagree, but it would take much larger electrodes and more space to get a truly effective current out of this particular set up - outside of my budget at the moment, but there are some other ideas that I want to try, too 😊
@@OfftoShambala it really is a shame, the generation we live in. The most abundant access to information is such a double edged sword. Some will never know the truth, others will never trust they know the truth.
@@KuriousKi77y that’s right … I’ve been studying and discovering for myself and practicing ‘alternatives’ to all kinds of things… there is so much technology that we think we need, as if there is no other choice… creating worse problems that most people are blissfully unaware of … but, it’s not that hard to spot the lies and exploitation once a person opens their minds and starts educating themselves.
Glad you liked it! The early railroad telegraphs used massive plates for their electrodes, and long distances between them to operate .. 1800s technology at its finest!
The eventual plan for the property will have almost complete canopy coverage, making solar power ineffective - so I have been doing research on alternatives to run the lights and fountain pumps for the ponds. 'Earth Battery' is not going to produce sufficient power, so there is no need to cover the topic any further.
Interesting stuff. As an experiment I recently connected some potatoes in series with copper and zinc coated electrodes (aka copper wire and zinc coated screws as anode and cathode). It lit up an LED for several days. I used it as a Morse code flasher at a ham radio convention display. Fun what you can do with nature.
The max voltage per cell is set by the choice of metals. The max current is determined by the electrolyte conductivity and acidity and the total surface area of the electrodes and probably the distance between them. So I'd suggest using closely-spaced metal sheets with a porous separator immersed in a conductive liquid (try lemon juice, vinegar, salt solution, etc.)
Thank s for taking the time to put this together and experiment! If you're going to enclose the cell, you could consider adding an acid solution and a port to keep it moist.
I still need to come back and do a bit on microbial fuel cells .. hopefully I can fit it into the schedule this summer! Yes, having the electrolyte dry out really slows these sorts of chemical cells down.
Thank you. I've always been intimidated by electricity but you've inspired me to challenge my fear. Got clean and sober at 54 and had zero skills. I've learned so much in 10 yrs. and found in the process I had the ability to do things I've spent my whole life paying for. Our country is in huge trouble. We got caught sleeping at the switch and have not engaged ourselves in our neighbors and communities. There are so many people who have been conditioned to believe the government should fix our problems. But our problems are only a symptom of the real problem of us being disengaged. I can't even tell you the pride I felt when I empowered myself with knowledge and action. We can come together and fix this country. It's gonna take helping and inspiring others to do the same. We all have differences we can focus on, but we also have much more in common and no telling the solutions we can accomplish by coming together and that will inspire a pride and confidence we can build on. Great video btw
Well said! At the end of the day, we are responsible for the world that we create - and when we abdicate that responsibility, someone else is going to build *their* world around us. Whenever you teach, you also learn; so whatever you learn, teach! Knowledge and empowerment is the easiest gift to give, as it costs nothing, and pays back real world dividends. I get to learn something new, every day, and that is exciting, at 52 😊
Jason that was a very interesting video. My Dad used to do stuff like that and I always fascinating. Thank You for taking it slow and easy so I could follow along. The water hose really helped me to understand better. I am a visual learner.
That was the example that they taught me at the US Naval Gunnery School, during the basic electronics portion. Even the guys without a background in Chemistry and Physics had no difficulty grasping the concept .. Hehe, the missus still refers to extension cords as 'hoses' 😊
Create more amperage by connecting in parallel instead of series circuits. You can create multiple "in series" clusters and create a parallel wiring to create both amperage and voltage.
Thank you jason. I had previously added this to my backup electricity playlist. I finally got to watch it. You may have saved me some trouble of doing all that work to be disappointed on the low amperage. It's been a long time since I heard that old German or Czech no beer in heaven song.
If you take a small nut and bolt and drill a hole in the bottom of each cell then connect a copper wire that connects to all then leave 6in exposed and burry the cell pack in the dirt I HIGHLY RECOMMEND U TRY THE RESULTS BLU MY MIND as it acted as an alternator recharging the cells and for some reason gave me an extra almost 2 volts........... AND THEN I TOOK A small transformer and connected it to my leads and then hard wired an alarm clock, I have consistent power running that clock 24hrs a day just slightly modding "YOUR" DEVICE"" AWESOME JOB love your vids man ME N MY KIDS LOVE EXPERIMENTING and this was the best
Cells drying out was the cause of failure for the pvc pipe assembly .. putting a hole in the bottom would let moisture in from the soil, so long as its healthy (full of organic matter and living things) I wouldn't have expected the extra voltage .. that's pretty darned cool!
This was a good video, and it was very informative. When I heard you talking about Earth batteries, I immediately thought of Nikola Tesla and his Wardencliffe facility in upstate New York. Nikola had the same idea, except that he built it to massive size with the funding of J.P. Morgan. Tesla planted his electrodes 400 feet deep in the Earth, and built a 200 foot tall tower that sometimes produced lightning bolts. Tesla said that he would transmit electricity by microwaves and that anyone with an antenna could receive the power for free. J.P. Morgan ran a bank, and didn't like losing money.
I remember seeing something similar to this except the guy I watched put a rod into the gound and the other end way up on an attenna. Can’t remember how many volts he got but it was interesting like your video. Regardless of outcome your video got my brain spinning. I liked it
I have seen a miniature version of this concept using an ice tray and screws. It is always cool to make things yourself and you may even invent a new way. Nice work troops. :)
Awesome! Thank you for doing the hard work to test it!! (Hot tip too - cause I've just bought that same model Multimeter; there are 2 sheaths that come off the tips of the probes! I found by accident!! :-)
Most of our efforts right now have been going towards developing that 'full canopy' that I mentioned early on in the video, but we haven't forgotten the need to come up with a good source of power in the shade. Experiments with biological fuel cells and possibly thermoelectric power will commence, currently (no pun intended) planned for late 2022-2023, when most of our big stuff will planted.
This is Huge, You need to add a "joule thief resonator circuit" into the fold of the battery cells you will be able to amplify it up to a usable source to charge any battery you need. Thank you for teaching me how to collect energy at night, I can do it well with solar panels during day, very cool.
Also look into the "Fleet Circuit" using your ground batteries to feed it. Should be able to get a nice amount of power from ground, Took lots of notes from video into my book of knowledge, ty again sir.
The thing that made it effective for the old telegraph system was massive electrodes and LOOONG distances - locally, its just chemical battery action, but you are correct: integrating a 'joule thief' into the circuit would permit one to get the 5vdc needed to charge a device, it would just take a little while. Experimenting with bio cells is still on my list, but my multi-layer perennial gardening is taking priority. My landscape lights run on 12 vdc, 4.5w - Too much for the earth battery, but with bio cells, now that might be enough to light it up.
Used to mess with this kind of setup. The best way to do it is keep a pipe inside and wrap the outside of the pipe with a wicking material wrapped around it just like in the telegraph patent. Removing the battery from ground itself lets it dry out too quickly causing dead cells. These Batteries run off of moisture in the soil. Too little moisture no energy, Too much moisture and it shorts out. Another thing is that your also getting energy conversion from three sources using earth batteries. Temperature - the Pelletier effect one side is cooler than the other side of the two metals moving the electrons, Chemical Reaction like a typical battery except rust/oxidization also contributes to the conversion, and the last one has to do with the earths magnetic field. Personally I would like to try dumping the power into a DC booster then taking that energy and dumping it into a Nichrome wire that is running into a sand battery. The sand battery can collect enough heat over time as long as your producing up to 12 to 24v. Then you can take that thermal energy and pump it into a hot air /stirling engine generator and/or Pelletier device, or a tpv panel when those become available to the public. Basically any energy source can be dumped into a sand battery using nichrome wire then utilized. I didn't mention a steam engine can be run off of it because a simpler safer condenser engine could be used instead. Finding ways to generate energy is a hobby of mine.
I think you should make coils of copper and aluminum around iron rods before putting it into the dirt instead of just putting copper and aluminum rods. Both coils must be insulated but just leave a bit uninsulated at the bottom end. Plus connect the copper and aluminum coils to a high amp connected to a low amp then connect it to a capacitor for consistent flow of electric current. Finally test this to the Vault metre.
Then add two or more inductors parallel to each other to increase voltage. The Tesla coil that magnified the electrical current was done this way. Or use a transformer to do this to step up the voltage.
For best effect, run trenches so that the wiring can be buried, install 3 ft long copper rods a foot apart, and every other one is positive and anode. From each set you need to install an attachment for the wire and wire every anode parallel, from each cathode install two diodes to the common cathode lead and a 10 mfd 25 vdc electrolytic capacity at each set, the positive to the positive side of the diode and the negative to the common cathode. This is to prevent bleed back to ground and keep the amperage building on each line of probes. Doing this with longer probes you will find each line of a dozen pairs will multiply and have a combined +.74 volts and around 185 milliards of available power. This can be ramped up on a power ladder board and on 1/10 of an acre I got enough to charge a 12 volt 30 amp solar charger system to a large deep sell battery. I've tried different wiring schematics from PNP transistors to 1N915 switching diodes and power rectifiers, basically use the cheaper and smaller voltage items where the power is low and ramp up to power voltage devices in higher positions, and the Schuman voltage response can be captured and used 24-7 to power devices until the elements become eroded away depending on the soil in y9our location. Next year I'll throw a schematic together and post it on RUclips to demonstrate it can be added to a solar and wind combined system to achieve more charging even when there is no wind or sun. Another system is to use antennas much the same way, convert available power in ambient frequency in the air to do the same thing, no moving parts.
@@EyesWideOpen2 Please just roll back over and finish your nap May Flower. We will let you know when it's time to come out. The New Year shouldn't begin until the first day of Spring, not one week after Winter officially begins.
Great video. I use the example of water hose to explain current and voltage all the time too. Glad to see I'm not the only crazy guy that compares electricity to water!
The rods need placing north and south for a better flow of energy. You will earth the flow with your body if you hold the rods with bare hands. Pour water with washing soda or salt water around the rods. Copper and magnesium rods are the best metals I think.
Having acidic soil makes a huge difference, so does the length of the rods and the surface area able to be touching the acidic soil for ion exchange to hapoen more effciciently and at a higher rate of current.
Thanks, that was entertaining and I appreciate you making that. Prior to your video I watched Robert Murray-Smith's channel and he said we don't really know how they work, earth batteries. I think that if you continued your array of 2 foot pvc cells and made it a bit larger you would find that the energy would stay constant, because of the earth. I think the big problem is current. Keep up the good work.
The “Baghdad battery” in the Iraqi museum is built similar to this with a clay jar. Archeologists figure either grape juice or vinegar was used as a conductor to get about 2.2 volts as I recall.
Does the health of the soil carry more or less of a charge? Any possibility that the Microorganisms in the soil can create a higher output of energy in each cell? I've been learning Korean Natural Farming and wondering if there would be a role it could play in producing more energy in each cell?
Good experiment I’ve seen these before quite frankly they just don’t generate enough electricity but also that has to do with the scale that you build anyways thank you for your time and sharing with us❤God bless you and yours.
Thank you for exploring that option. You did a great job. Another alternative might be: Compost. Compost produces heat of 140-160 degrees. Is there a way to convert that heat to power?
Thermal Electric Generators have some potential .. most likely involving the use of a thermal battery, and multiple means of heating water, compost heat, mass heaters, solar water heaters, ect. Possibly even low-heat radiological sources like thorium could be used as a heat source, since it is not necessary to make steam to turn a turbine - I just wouldn't use the hot water from a mini reactor to take a shower 😉 We are currently shoveling $ into the plant nursery business, and once that is net positive, will get back into alternative power: First off with a solar panel bank built into a wood shed, then with a mass heater and thermal battery .. eventually, we should be able to produce power whether the sun shines or not.
Hi bro great experiment all truth no lies no free 220v that's a hats off to you, now it would be great if you try this out, instead of the rod use aluminum and copper tapes with a separator, coat both tapes with soil or activated carbon and use salt water, that will surely give you usable Voltage my friend, love and respect from India ❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
Maybe you could use a capacitor to storage the current ??? And, what about using wires instead of rots ? In this way maybe you could increase the surface of contact between the wires and the soil and get much more current !!! I will try myself with wires to see what happens !!! Thank you for the idea. Blessings !!!
now I need to make my own batteries as well and try with many different materials. if you want to save space however you probably won't actually be using the soil for the voltage, the soil just keeps it apart and together. essentially to generate a voltage you only need the 2 metal pipes and aelectrically conducting liquid, gell, goo, or any such thing in between. typically a liquid is used. so you can also just use salt water, salter means more electrical current.
I have done this experiment with ice trays using dirt cubes linking them together in series and in parallel in order to get the voltage and current up enough to run a small LED. I've also done it by making concrete batteries by adding Epsom salts and bleach to concrete mix putting the electrodes inside of PVC pipe they'll do over one volt. Not enough amps to be a meaningful power source. However legend has it the first telegraph was using it Earth battery and it says signal all the way across the country. Find that patent!
I have a few questions of you'd be so inclined to answer do you ever need to change the substrate, do you have to keep the substrate moist, and if you were to add dissolvable electrolytes into the substrate would that increase your electric potential? Thanks really cool vid im very interested to gain more of the knowledge you are so kind to share, this subject interests me alot.
This experiment was really dependent on ion exchange between dissimilar metals, even outside of a container .. so electrolytes and moisture have to be there. I did not see a difference in output between the electrodes in cells and electrodes in the soil directly (so long as the electrodes were of the same surface area .. changing surface area affected amperage, but not voltage) I imagine that at some point, the surface of the electrodes would become oxidized, and then they would need to be cleaned off in order to bring voltage back up.
I applaud anyone for doing experiments so I'm not being unkind with my comments. After reading about these earth batteries it would seem the idea is to used the naturally occurring electromagnetic field of the Earth. If this is the case then the battery should not require contact with the soil. As the metals are in contact with moist soil it would suggest you are creating a simple voltaic cell, which means the rods will corrode over time and ultimately it would be better to just throw some acid in there.
Good video. Have you tried having the electrodes / anode - cathode all facing the same direction, N/S or E/W to work with the earth energy's changes with night and day?
Very cool! No need for that tesla power pack ;) Here's another option: you can easily make wood oil using water, metal (clay if apocolapse), and fire. Since metal isn't the easiest to source if all goes down, this will still give you a concentrated form of fuel if you can't make ethenol. There's also fat wood, tar/sap, animal fat, olive oil/etc, and glass lenses.
@@sideswipe147 no I mean wood oil. Look it up, you get petroleum by heating the wood in a vaccum so it has no oxygen and then it releases wood oil vapor which you codense and then refine.
I believe another issue you have with the process is oxidation of cathode which is the metal giving off electrons and is plating onto the anode. charge and discharge are always the problems with batteries because of corrosion!
Oxidation occurs at the anode and reduction occurs at the cathode. The aluminium will be consumed and will need to be replaced. This can be calculated of course and depends on the many factors in the galvanic cell. This type of electricity generation is probably not a viable proposition to power much more than a small set of lights or small electrical apparatus for short periods and would need maintenance to replace the anodes (the aluminium) if power is required for longer periods. The current demand for powering larger devices will mean a much larger reservoir of anode material and much larger surface areas. Also in dry soil or clays, you would need an irrigation system to ensure that an electrolyte is present when you need power. Additionally, with time as the reactions occur, you may have a build-up of corrosion products on the surface of the anode that would, of course, increase the resistance of charge transfer in the circuit, and reaction kinetics would slow resulting in the efficiency of the battery (the galvanic cell that is created by the dissimilar metals forming the anode and cathode) dropping. I would think that due to system thermodynamics, there will be a far less likely probability of cathodic chaulking taking place as the driving force (the potential difference between the anode and cathode) is not large enough.
Thank you, it was fun to watch. I understand you made a dirt electrolyte battery though not an earth battery as you isolated it away from the earth itself, with your enclosed cells. Also there is an orientation of the battery cells you lost with grouping the cells in a circle. By sealing each cells off you also lost some additional interaction available between all the individual cells. I understand they also need and north (anode) to south (cathode) in a series orientation for alignment; not a cluster taped circle. Your individual pvc cells were an interesting idea, but moved away from a true earth battery and lost some of the potential power from the earth itself in doing so. Keep experimenting though that is the fun with how we all lean new things and from each other.
Look into Tesla's apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy patents. If you used something like a metal roof, and then utilized a grid of copper pipe; say in ground water lines being used for agricultural irrigation; you could then create a circuit for harnessing radiant energy from the potential difference between the atmosphere and the ground. The roof and the in ground grid would essentially operate as two electrodes. Really if you just took the energy you are getting from your ground electrodes, and used them to trickle charge batteries, or say ultra capacitors you could slowly build up more and more energy over time, and gradually increase the amount of usable power by taking your now charged batteries and using an inverter circuit to convert the d.c to household a.c. You would want to decide what exactly you want to power; if you need a constant power draw or just an occasional source of usable input. The point really is that the more sources of usable power you have they can be compounded and used to store energy for later use. You should also look into John Hutchinsons crystal batteries, and a diy video on making graphene from coffee grounds, and experiment with making diy capacitors with a large capacitance. I think energy storage in the form of dielectric fields I.E electrostatic will be the way of the future. None of this lithium ion nonsense. Hutchinsons crystal batteries seem to opperate for very long periods of time without recharge as well. Really if you make a bunch of crystal cells you can combine them to create a battery of whatever output voltage you want; then just have a circuit that trickle charges the crystal battery. Would need to incorporate diodes, and make some kind of d.i.y charge controller. I appreciate the video; experimentation and building upon basic concepts is what allows us as a community to come up with more and more novel and efficient forms of self sufficient energy generation.
Just an idea, (I may try this) at the end of your series, place a coil, this should amplify your current substantially which in-turn would create a "wireless" electrical field. The key to the wireless electricity is a cell or a source. Tesla's coil was more than just a neat experiment it electricity from the ground.
So is this a constant flow of geo-electricity by way of electrolyte vibration? Does it have to be revitalized over x duration of time due to loss of electrolytes?
What I was able to generate in-ground appears to be simple chemical ion transfer (like a battery), and not geomagnetic energy. I suspect that in order to get that geomagnetic current, the electrodes would need to be much bigger, and placed FAR apart (as in miles) - that is the way the telegraph companies did it, once upon a time. Cool, but not too useful for generating power at home.
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Sorry.... telegraph companies used regular batteries, and a lot of them, to give them the high voltage and current required to cover those long distances..
You have a garden ... a thought ... what about putting rods at ends of a row of multiple rows of plants ... measuring voltage and amps, but also paying attention to the growth of the plants ... Of course, you could piess on it ...
One can make an aluminum Air battery that will power a small LED fairly easily. I took some aluminum from aluminum foil and or aluminum cans and copper wire. One can take some small plastic cups, glass bottles, ice cube trays or whatever you want and create a series of 6 to 10 cells. Add salt water to each cell and you will have enough power to light up an LED. Power comes from the aluminum oxidizing. I created an experiment that lasted on the kitchen counter for three months running 24/7 and lit an LED bright enough I could barely read a newspaper by it. I created a night light. After three months the Aluminum was starting to degrade and I wanted the countertop back. If you truly lived off grid or were in great need this works, but a regular store bought battery ultimately works better. Battery powered LED lights are cheap and good these days.
Thank you for the way you explained voltage vs amperage vs ohms, I don't know anything about electricity and all of those terms were so complicated to me until you used the garden hose!! Now I understand!!
There's an old GS 14 whose name I cannot recall that gave me that analogy back when I was in naval Gunnery school .. they trained us on how to work with electronic circuits .. but then i went off and went to work on the oldest system the Navy had .. no electronics 😁 Finally, the education pays off!
One of humanity's little travestis is the loss of time spent in and around garages and backyards with our fathers or children on some sunday afternoon just going through learning and teaching about tools and processes and experiments and bounding. It was a precious pleasure and skills gaining valuable experience that is becoming more and more rare.
Every capable adult must always try his or her best to make young people regain that little ol'spark in the eyes we all once had when being through those experiences with our fathers and family.
one of the many things our society needs back if we hope to progress ourselves to a better future.
I appreciate your method. It's nice to see someone who will run the experiment and show the results whether good or bad. Much more credible than those people always trying to prove it works no matter what.
Good experiments ! I would offer some advice dealing with such low voltages and currents. Don't interface your body with the terminals. AT 25:48 where the voltage is "jumping all over the place" it's more than likely because you are handling the terminals. You can just hold the test meter probes in your hands, left and right, and you will measure a voltage, also in handling the terminals you will be dissipating current through your body, which will lower the voltage. Your body will act as a resistor and also as a capacitor. Either wear insulated gloves, or simply don't touch the terminals when your taking measurements, you also made this mistake earlier in the video, where you were measuring the bare rods in the soil, you were steadying your hands on the anode and cathode whilst taking a reading. Hope this helps, but really, great experiment ! I've seen a lot of these experiments, and all with interesting results, but people often comment on how low the power output is. Of course, like anything, this is simply a matter of scale, and practicality, multiplying 1 by 12, or 1 by 120 or 240 isn't rocket science after all :)
I had a set of test leads with alligator clips at first, but one of the leads broke. I'll need to get a new set before doing the next alternative power experiment (microbial fuel cells, whee!) Hehe .. you wrote "whilst" .. Have you noticed that there are some words that we only use in writing? 😁
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Intelligent scripting? I keep a couple of 'gator clips handy to slip on or off the test leads, giving me a choice, or you can just use the old leads from those Harder Fate meters that only last a month or so, with a soldered set of clips on them.
@@garychandler4296 lmao "harder fate" Took me a second to catch on
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry And was he talking or writing?😂
Ok I want to say this was a good experiment, But i think it is truly possibly to get great amount of power from the earth like this using the right metal and method. Lets think for a moment I want to make you think like Mr Tesla. There is energy all around us. Rf waves energy from space , wind, the sun. You can even get energy from water if you do it the right way. Is there free energy. Yes I truly think so. We just have to put all of our minds together and harness it.
I don't disagree, but it would take much larger electrodes and more space to get a truly effective current out of this particular set up - outside of my budget at the moment, but there are some other ideas that I want to try, too 😊
And stop buying into the Nazi lies about ‘science’.
Check out ion harvesting. Atmospheric energy 😉 think, church steeples. 🤯
@@OfftoShambala it really is a shame, the generation we live in. The most abundant access to information is such a double edged sword. Some will never know the truth, others will never trust they know the truth.
@@KuriousKi77y that’s right … I’ve been studying and discovering for myself and practicing ‘alternatives’ to all kinds of things… there is so much technology that we think we need, as if there is no other choice… creating worse problems that most people are blissfully unaware of … but, it’s not that hard to spot the lies and exploitation once a person opens their minds and starts educating themselves.
Great little project video 👍
Very good explanations of how electricity works.
love this and the comments all a great video. Especially understanding I GOT FROM THIS. I WILL NOT FORGET! Well done!
Interesting, love how you dig into esoteric but useful practices.
Glad you liked it! The early railroad telegraphs used massive plates for their electrodes, and long distances between them to operate .. 1800s technology at its finest!
Outstanding...
Our past has been hidden from the world's people in so many ways.
Recharging = replacing the mud? Very very interesting video. Nice job and thank you for taking the time to upload this video.
Super interesting video. Thanks for posting.
Nice thing and sertenly intresting you showed here.
Couldnt find any other video‘s on youre chanel about it. Why ?
The eventual plan for the property will have almost complete canopy coverage, making solar power ineffective - so I have been doing research on alternatives to run the lights and fountain pumps for the ponds. 'Earth Battery' is not going to produce sufficient power, so there is no need to cover the topic any further.
Interesting stuff. As an experiment I recently connected some potatoes in series with copper and zinc coated electrodes (aka copper wire and zinc coated screws as anode and cathode). It lit up an LED for several days. I used it as a Morse code flasher at a ham radio convention display. Fun what you can do with nature.
Do you have a picture of this setup or a drawn diagram? That sounds very interesting!
The max voltage per cell is set by the choice of metals. The max current is determined by the electrolyte conductivity and acidity and the total surface area of the electrodes and probably the distance between them. So I'd suggest using closely-spaced metal sheets with a porous separator immersed in a conductive liquid (try lemon juice, vinegar, salt solution, etc.)
I THOUGH OF SALT AS WELL.
best metal choice? Probably gold since it doesn't oxidize.
And then we have a typical battery....
Yes but the idea is to have usable power with an earth battery. Meaning minimal upkeep and expense in creating it.
NaOH solution will work better.
You’re a great teacher!!! Very interesting! Thank you!
Ty so very much Brother.
God bless you and your family Brother 😊 ✝️ 🙏 🤲 🕍
Enjoyed & learned alot...I appreciate your efforts
Thank s for taking the time to put this together and experiment! If you're going to enclose the cell, you could consider adding an acid solution and a port to keep it moist.
I still need to come back and do a bit on microbial fuel cells .. hopefully I can fit it into the schedule this summer! Yes, having the electrolyte dry out really slows these sorts of chemical cells down.
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry I've never heard of a microbial fuel cell. Very interesting
Thank you. I've always been intimidated by electricity but you've inspired me to challenge my fear. Got clean and sober at 54 and had zero skills.
I've learned so much in 10 yrs. and found in the process I had the ability to do things I've spent my whole life paying for.
Our country is in huge trouble. We got caught sleeping at the switch and have not engaged ourselves in our neighbors and communities. There are so many people who have been conditioned to believe the government should fix our problems. But our problems are only a symptom of the real problem of us being disengaged.
I can't even tell you the pride I felt when I empowered myself with knowledge and action.
We can come together and fix this country. It's gonna take helping and inspiring others to do the same. We all have differences we can focus on, but we also have much more in common and no telling the solutions we can accomplish by coming together and that will inspire a pride and confidence we can build on.
Great video btw
Well said! At the end of the day, we are responsible for the world that we create - and when we abdicate that responsibility, someone else is going to build *their* world around us. Whenever you teach, you also learn; so whatever you learn, teach! Knowledge and empowerment is the easiest gift to give, as it costs nothing, and pays back real world dividends.
I get to learn something new, every day, and that is exciting, at 52 😊
Amen!
Thank you for explaining how those battery-less gadgets work. Always wondered about that.
Thanks for. Your sharing ✌️
Love you're uncut presentations... they're like mine as well...Tanks for your content.
I was thinking of doing the same experiment. I'm glad I found this video
Jason that was a very interesting video. My Dad used to do stuff like that and I always fascinating. Thank You for taking it slow and easy so I could follow along. The water hose really helped me to understand better. I am a visual learner.
That was the example that they taught me at the US Naval Gunnery School, during the basic electronics portion. Even the guys without a background in Chemistry and Physics had no difficulty grasping the concept .. Hehe, the missus still refers to extension cords as 'hoses' 😊
Another Navy guy! Cool! My youngest boy met his wife at the Great Lakes Naval Academy.
Create more amperage by connecting in parallel instead of series circuits. You can create multiple "in series" clusters and create a parallel wiring to create both amperage and voltage.
great job
Thank you jason. I had previously added this to my backup electricity playlist. I finally got to watch it. You may have saved me some trouble of doing all that work to be disappointed on the low amperage. It's been a long time since I heard that old German or Czech no beer in heaven song.
In Himmel Gibt kein bier :p I really intended this to be a pre amble to more power generation videos .. just haven't gotten around to it yet!
If you take a small nut and bolt and drill a hole in the bottom of each cell then connect a copper wire that connects to all then leave 6in exposed and burry the cell pack in the dirt I HIGHLY RECOMMEND U TRY THE RESULTS BLU MY MIND as it acted as an alternator recharging the cells and for some reason gave me an extra almost 2 volts........... AND THEN I TOOK A small transformer and connected it to my leads and then hard wired an alarm clock, I have consistent power running that clock 24hrs a day just slightly modding "YOUR" DEVICE"" AWESOME JOB love your vids man ME N MY KIDS LOVE EXPERIMENTING and this was the best
Cells drying out was the cause of failure for the pvc pipe assembly .. putting a hole in the bottom would let moisture in from the soil, so long as its healthy (full of organic matter and living things) I wouldn't have expected the extra voltage .. that's pretty darned cool!
Good experiment. I think the people who invent and discover the most, are those who arent afraid to try things out.
This was a good video, and it was very informative. When I heard you talking about Earth batteries, I immediately thought of Nikola Tesla and his Wardencliffe facility in upstate New York. Nikola had the same idea, except that he built it to massive size with the funding of J.P. Morgan. Tesla planted his electrodes 400 feet deep in the Earth, and built a 200 foot tall tower that sometimes produced lightning bolts. Tesla said that he would transmit electricity by microwaves and that anyone with an antenna could receive the power for free. J.P. Morgan ran a bank, and didn't like losing money.
I wondered how my meter worked without batteries or solar. This was a fascinating video. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Those little meters are really something.
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Yep! You're on to something here. I look forward to your exploration of the potential!
I remember seeing something similar to this except the guy I watched put a rod into the gound and the other end way up on an attenna. Can’t remember how many volts he got but it was interesting like your video. Regardless of outcome your video got my brain spinning. I liked it
I have seen a miniature version of this concept using an ice tray and screws. It is always cool to make things yourself and you may even invent a new way. Nice work troops. :)
Thanks,it's always a blessing to learn something new.
Awesome! Thank you for doing the hard work to test it!! (Hot tip too - cause I've just bought that same model Multimeter; there are 2 sheaths that come off the tips of the probes! I found by accident!! :-)
I found out by accident, too!
Very impressive . I'm not very good with electrical. I learned something.
Most of our efforts right now have been going towards developing that 'full canopy' that I mentioned early on in the video, but we haven't forgotten the need to come up with a good source of power in the shade. Experiments with biological fuel cells and possibly thermoelectric power will commence, currently (no pun intended) planned for late 2022-2023, when most of our big stuff will planted.
Have you looked into biomass for heat? I saw something about people using it to heat water. Apparently microbes and generate a high core temp
Would this work better with rods instead of tubes?
Would it make a difference from the tubing, if a solid copper&aluminium were used..?
@@realitycheck4158 I wonder??? Good question!
@@jackrussell1960 - Good question!
This is Huge, You need to add a "joule thief resonator circuit" into the fold of the battery cells you will be able to amplify it up to a usable source to charge any battery you need. Thank you for teaching me how to collect energy at night, I can do it well with solar panels during day, very cool.
Also look into the "Fleet Circuit" using your ground batteries to feed it. Should be able to get a nice amount of power from ground, Took lots of notes from video into my book of knowledge, ty again sir.
The thing that made it effective for the old telegraph system was massive electrodes and LOOONG distances - locally, its just chemical battery action, but you are correct: integrating a 'joule thief' into the circuit would permit one to get the 5vdc needed to charge a device, it would just take a little while. Experimenting with bio cells is still on my list, but my multi-layer perennial gardening is taking priority. My landscape lights run on 12 vdc, 4.5w - Too much for the earth battery, but with bio cells, now that might be enough to light it up.
Have you heard of elecrets?
It's a good idea and worth experimenting...thanks bro.
Very interesting stuff!
Thanks u taught me well with that hose example
brilliant! reminds me of Tesla concept of gripping the earth for power...
Good Work!!! Exactly what I was looking for tonight. When going bigger how about using a 10 foot copper grounding rod?
Cool. . . Good to think outside the box. .
That was Very Cool ! Did you try to re moisten the cells. Thankyou very much for doing this experiment ! Stay Well
Used to mess with this kind of setup. The best way to do it is keep a pipe inside and wrap the outside of the pipe with a wicking material wrapped around it just like in the telegraph patent. Removing the battery from ground itself lets it dry out too quickly causing dead cells. These Batteries run off of moisture in the soil. Too little moisture no energy, Too much moisture and it shorts out. Another thing is that your also getting energy conversion from three sources using earth batteries. Temperature - the Pelletier effect one side is cooler than the other side of the two metals moving the electrons, Chemical Reaction like a typical battery except rust/oxidization also contributes to the conversion, and the last one has to do with the earths magnetic field. Personally I would like to try dumping the power into a DC booster then taking that energy and dumping it into a Nichrome wire that is running into a sand battery. The sand battery can collect enough heat over time as long as your producing up to 12 to 24v. Then you can take that thermal energy and pump it into a hot air /stirling engine generator and/or Pelletier device, or a tpv panel when those become available to the public. Basically any energy source can be dumped into a sand battery using nichrome wire then utilized. I didn't mention a steam engine can be run off of it because a simpler safer condenser engine could be used instead. Finding ways to generate energy is a hobby of mine.
You have do much knowledge!!! I love watching!! Such a cool experiment!!
I think you should make coils of copper and aluminum around iron rods before putting it into the dirt instead of just putting copper and aluminum rods. Both coils must be insulated but just leave a bit uninsulated at the bottom end. Plus connect the copper and aluminum coils to a high amp connected to a low amp then connect it to a capacitor for consistent flow of electric current. Finally test this to the Vault metre.
I did that an pissed around it an it went up to 2 volts , but not much milliamps
Then add two or more inductors parallel to each other to increase voltage. The Tesla coil that magnified the electrical current was done this way. Or use a transformer to do this to step up the voltage.
For best effect, run trenches so that the wiring can be buried, install 3 ft long copper rods a foot apart, and every other one is positive and anode. From each set you need to install an attachment for the wire and wire every anode parallel, from each cathode install two diodes to the common cathode lead and a 10 mfd 25 vdc electrolytic capacity at each set, the positive to the positive side of the diode and the negative to the common cathode. This is to prevent bleed back to ground and keep the amperage building on each line of probes. Doing this with longer probes you will find each line of a dozen pairs will multiply and have a combined +.74 volts and around 185 milliards of available power. This can be ramped up on a power ladder board and on 1/10 of an acre I got enough to charge a 12 volt 30 amp solar charger system to a large deep sell battery.
I've tried different wiring schematics from PNP transistors to 1N915 switching diodes and power rectifiers, basically use the cheaper and smaller voltage items where the power is low and ramp up to power voltage devices in higher positions, and the Schuman voltage response can be captured and used 24-7 to power devices until the elements become eroded away depending on the soil in y9our location. Next year I'll throw a schematic together and post it on RUclips to demonstrate it can be added to a solar and wind combined system to achieve more charging even when there is no wind or sun. Another system is to use antennas much the same way, convert available power in ambient frequency in the air to do the same thing, no moving parts.
Thank you very much.
Please do a video that would be interesting to see 👍
Is it next year yet ? 😃
@@citylotgardening6171 You can count on it. But first I have to make a few things while the ground is still rock solid until the thaw.
@@EyesWideOpen2 Please just roll back over and finish your nap May Flower. We will let you know when it's time to come out. The New Year shouldn't begin until the first day of Spring, not one week after Winter officially begins.
awesome.God bless.
Great video. I use the example of water hose to explain current and voltage all the time too. Glad to see I'm not the only crazy guy that compares electricity to water!
That's the way they described it to me back in school .. the analogy works 😊👍
That's how it was taught to me...like water.
I enjoy the raw uncut just happening rn. The dirt was absolutely not worked or loose.
Fascinating!
Bible quote; " I will wrap bands of copper and silver around your tree, so it won't grow!
The rods need placing north and south for a better flow of energy. You will earth the flow with your body if you hold the rods with bare hands. Pour water with washing soda or salt water around the rods. Copper and magnesium rods are the best metals I think.
I did this similar with copper and zinc in power aid bottle's it worked well but had trouble your way seems more stable
Thank you
Having acidic soil makes a huge difference, so does the length of the rods and the surface area able to be touching the acidic soil for ion exchange to hapoen more effciciently and at a higher rate of current.
Thanks, that was entertaining and I appreciate you making that. Prior to your video I watched Robert Murray-Smith's channel and he said we don't really know how they work, earth batteries. I think that if you continued your array of 2 foot pvc cells and made it a bit larger you would find that the energy would stay constant, because of the earth. I think the big problem is current. Keep up the good work.
The “Baghdad battery” in the Iraqi museum is built similar to this with a clay jar. Archeologists figure either grape juice or vinegar was used as a conductor to get about 2.2 volts as I recall.
Yup, perfect for electroplating small trinkets. Dozens of them have been found now, which proves they definitely were not a misidentified item. :)
@@TacDyne I’ve found out date vinegar is plentiful in Iraq, so they could keep recharging it as needed.
Most likely lemon juice as lemons were plentiful.
Does the health of the soil carry more or less of a charge? Any possibility that the Microorganisms in the soil can create a higher output of energy in each cell? I've been learning Korean Natural Farming and wondering if there would be a role it could play in producing more energy in each cell?
Tesla did this in 1905 at Browns Farm. Except He put the pos. In the ground and the negative in the air. And powered browns farm.
Good experiment I’ve seen these before quite frankly they just don’t generate enough electricity but also that has to do with the scale that you build anyways thank you for your time and sharing with us❤God bless you and yours.
Thank you!
Really good set of experiments. I'll build one my self I think 😀👍
hey friend i am curious the current you can gather from the ground is it a AC or DC current. sorry for the stupid ?
This is DC current
Very interesting my friend, Well done, I enjoy your videos. Have a great rest of your day and stay safe out there my friend. 😎
Thank you for exploring that option. You did a great job.
Another alternative might be: Compost. Compost produces heat of 140-160 degrees. Is there a way to convert that heat to power?
Thermal Electric Generators have some potential .. most likely involving the use of a thermal battery, and multiple means of heating water, compost heat, mass heaters, solar water heaters, ect. Possibly even low-heat radiological sources like thorium could be used as a heat source, since it is not necessary to make steam to turn a turbine - I just wouldn't use the hot water from a mini reactor to take a shower 😉
We are currently shoveling $ into the plant nursery business, and once that is net positive, will get back into alternative power: First off with a solar panel bank built into a wood shed, then with a mass heater and thermal battery .. eventually, we should be able to produce power whether the sun shines or not.
😂 Long extension cord! Love it!
Would the voltage change if you made the PVC tubing longer.
If you used longer pvc tubes would you increase voltage/amps?
The tubes were long enough to keep each 'cell' from shorting out the one adjacent to it .. lengthening them would not have been helpful.
Hi bro great experiment all truth no lies no free 220v that's a hats off to you, now it would be great if you try this out, instead of the rod use aluminum and copper tapes with a separator, coat both tapes with soil or activated carbon and use salt water, that will surely give you usable Voltage my friend, love and respect from India ❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
Maybe you could use a capacitor to storage the current ???
And, what about using wires instead of rots ? In this way maybe you could increase the surface of contact between the wires and the soil and get much more current !!!
I will try myself with wires to see what happens !!!
Thank you for the idea.
Blessings !!!
She so funny good answer must be beautifully person
Great work fun experimenting you should try vinegar in the dirt or some natural acid like lemon juice or something
now I need to make my own batteries as well and try with many different materials.
if you want to save space however you probably won't actually be using the soil for the voltage, the soil just keeps it apart and together.
essentially to generate a voltage you only need the 2 metal pipes and aelectrically conducting liquid, gell, goo, or any such thing in between. typically a liquid is used. so you can also just use salt water, salter means more electrical current.
I have done this experiment with ice trays using dirt cubes linking them together in series and in parallel in order to get the voltage and current up enough to run a small LED. I've also done it by making concrete batteries by adding Epsom salts and bleach to concrete mix putting the electrodes inside of PVC pipe they'll do over one volt. Not enough amps to be a meaningful power source. However legend has it the first telegraph was using it Earth battery and it says signal all the way across the country. Find that patent!
I have a few questions of you'd be so inclined to answer do you ever need to change the substrate, do you have to keep the substrate moist, and if you were to add dissolvable electrolytes into the substrate would that increase your electric potential? Thanks really cool vid im very interested to gain more of the knowledge you are so kind to share, this subject interests me alot.
This experiment was really dependent on ion exchange between dissimilar metals, even outside of a container .. so electrolytes and moisture have to be there. I did not see a difference in output between the electrodes in cells and electrodes in the soil directly (so long as the electrodes were of the same surface area .. changing surface area affected amperage, but not voltage) I imagine that at some point, the surface of the electrodes would become oxidized, and then they would need to be cleaned off in order to bring voltage back up.
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Remember the "potato clock"? I wonder about growing potatoes in that soil..
I applaud anyone for doing experiments so I'm not being unkind with my comments.
After reading about these earth batteries it would seem the idea is to used the naturally occurring electromagnetic field of the Earth. If this is the case then the battery should not require contact with the soil. As the metals are in contact with moist soil it would suggest you are creating a simple voltaic cell, which means the rods will corrode over time and ultimately it would be better to just throw some acid in there.
This is great thank u!!
In heaven there is no beer 😂😂😂
Best line in an overall interesting video
🍺 cheers mate
Very interesting Jason 👍
Good video.
Have you tried having the electrodes / anode - cathode all facing the same direction, N/S or E/W to work with the earth energy's changes with night and day?
The wonders of metals and mother Earth!!!
Pretty interesting and very cool Jason!!! Thank you!!!
We live on a pretty darned cool ball of dirt 😊
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry yes we do!!😎😁
You can convert voltage to amps so depending on the amps needed, could be scaled up
Could you hook 6 cells to a step up transformer and get a lot more voltage?
Very cool! No need for that tesla power pack ;)
Here's another option: you can easily make wood oil using water, metal (clay if apocolapse), and fire. Since metal isn't the easiest to source if all goes down, this will still give you a concentrated form of fuel if you can't make ethenol. There's also fat wood, tar/sap, animal fat, olive oil/etc, and glass lenses.
Wood oil? Do you mean wood alcohol?
@@sideswipe147 no I mean wood oil. Look it up, you get petroleum by heating the wood in a vaccum so it has no oxygen and then it releases wood oil vapor which you codense and then refine.
I believe another issue you have with the process is oxidation of cathode which is the metal giving off electrons and is plating onto the anode. charge and discharge are always the problems with batteries because of corrosion!
Very true!
Led and carbon, will not galvanize or oxidize, you only get half the power so you have to build it twice as big,however it will last forever
Oxidation occurs at the anode and reduction occurs at the cathode. The aluminium will be consumed and will need to be replaced. This can be calculated of course and depends on the many factors in the galvanic cell. This type of electricity generation is probably not a viable proposition to power much more than a small set of lights or small electrical apparatus for short periods and would need maintenance to replace the anodes (the aluminium) if power is required for longer periods. The current demand for powering larger devices will mean a much larger reservoir of anode material and much larger surface areas. Also in dry soil or clays, you would need an irrigation system to ensure that an electrolyte is present when you need power. Additionally, with time as the reactions occur, you may have a build-up of corrosion products on the surface of the anode that would, of course, increase the resistance of charge transfer in the circuit, and reaction kinetics would slow resulting in the efficiency of the battery (the galvanic cell that is created by the dissimilar metals forming the anode and cathode) dropping. I would think that due to system thermodynamics, there will be a far less likely probability of cathodic chaulking taking place as the driving force (the potential difference between the anode and cathode) is not large enough.
Will this work only for copper and aluminum only. What about brass. Stainless steel...
what if you lined the inside of the vessel with foil and run the other terminal right through the middle kinda like a more commercial battery?
You remind me of my father when he was younger
Thank you, it was fun to watch. I understand you made a dirt electrolyte battery though not an earth battery as you isolated it away from the earth itself, with your enclosed cells. Also there is an orientation of the battery cells you lost with grouping the cells in a circle. By sealing each cells off you also lost some additional interaction available between all the individual cells. I understand they also need and north (anode) to south (cathode) in a series orientation for alignment; not a cluster taped circle. Your individual pvc cells were an interesting idea, but moved away from a true earth battery and lost some of the potential power from the earth itself in doing so. Keep experimenting though that is the fun with how we all lean new things and from each other.
Look into Tesla's apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy patents. If you used something like a metal roof, and then utilized a grid of copper pipe; say in ground water lines being used for agricultural irrigation; you could then create a circuit for harnessing radiant energy from the potential difference between the atmosphere and the ground. The roof and the in ground grid would essentially operate as two electrodes. Really if you just took the energy you are getting from your ground electrodes, and used them to trickle charge batteries, or say ultra capacitors you could slowly build up more and more energy over time, and gradually increase the amount of usable power by taking your now charged batteries and using an inverter circuit to convert the d.c to household a.c.
You would want to decide what exactly you want to power; if you need a constant power draw or just an occasional source of usable input. The point really is that the more sources of usable power you have they can be compounded and used to store energy for later use. You should also look into John Hutchinsons crystal batteries, and a diy video on making graphene from coffee grounds, and experiment with making diy capacitors with a large capacitance. I think energy storage in the form of dielectric fields I.E electrostatic will be the way of the future. None of this lithium ion nonsense. Hutchinsons crystal batteries seem to opperate for very long periods of time without recharge as well. Really if you make a bunch of crystal cells you can combine them to create a battery of whatever output voltage you want; then just have a circuit that trickle charges the crystal battery. Would need to incorporate diodes, and make some kind of d.i.y charge controller.
I appreciate the video; experimentation and building upon basic concepts is what allows us as a community to come up with more and more novel and efficient forms of self sufficient energy generation.
Just an idea, (I may try this) at the end of your series, place a coil, this should amplify your current substantially which in-turn would create a "wireless" electrical field. The key to the wireless electricity is a cell or a source. Tesla's coil was more than just a neat experiment it electricity from the ground.
Oh man I lost it when you drank from the garden hose and said "probly shouldn't do that with electricity" 🤣🤣 ill be watching more of ya
Have you tried applying a low current charge to them cells
So is this a constant flow of geo-electricity by way of electrolyte vibration? Does it have to be revitalized over x duration of time due to loss of electrolytes?
What I was able to generate in-ground appears to be simple chemical ion transfer (like a battery), and not geomagnetic energy. I suspect that in order to get that geomagnetic current, the electrodes would need to be much bigger, and placed FAR apart (as in miles) - that is the way the telegraph companies did it, once upon a time. Cool, but not too useful for generating power at home.
@@Green.Country.Agroforestry Sorry.... telegraph companies used regular batteries, and a lot of them, to give them the high voltage and current required to cover those long distances..
You have a garden ... a thought ... what about putting rods at ends of a row of multiple rows of plants ... measuring voltage and amps, but also paying attention to the growth of the plants ...
Of course, you could piess on it ...
Great idea. What if you took two 1 in l rods 10 feet apart
One can make an aluminum Air battery that will power a small LED fairly easily. I took some aluminum from aluminum foil and or aluminum cans and copper wire. One can take some small plastic cups, glass bottles, ice cube trays or whatever you want and create a series of 6 to 10 cells. Add salt water to each cell and you will have enough power to light up an LED. Power comes from the aluminum oxidizing. I created an experiment that lasted on the kitchen counter for three months running 24/7 and lit an LED bright enough I could barely read a newspaper by it. I created a night light. After three months the Aluminum was starting to degrade and I wanted the countertop back. If you truly lived off grid or were in great need this works, but a regular store bought battery ultimately works better. Battery powered LED lights are cheap and good these days.