And they're wilting sunflowers no less, one in the Altus Plateau can be found admiring one of Miquella's lilies, maybe with a hint of jealousy as it still retains its golden hue.
One thing that the caterpillar masks have me wondering, are those the caterpillars that all of the butterflies in game are coming from, cause there are a heck of a lot of butterflies but no caterpillars until now.
35:00 I believe the mechanism that tarnishes and strips things of luster is time. We see his description on almost all gauntlets of knights' sets: "Time has yet to dull their luster." It's possible that the Dragonlord stopped the "tarnishment" by literally stopping time in Farum Azula.
I am glad someone brought up the "tarnishment" in the comment. Since the video has been too long in the making, I have had some new thoughts on the mechanism as well. I also think there is more going on behind "drained of color/luster" than its literal meaning. Your interpretation of the gauntlets and time is very intriguing. I will see what I can cook up and hopefully share in the next vid! Much thanks!
Wow, I had no idea the mesh is named sun. But I did have this in mind, and hinted at 3:43, 52:04, 1:14:07 with editing. Of course not a complete theory at this point. So just trying to provoke some ideas with the clips I use. This is another reason I mentioned Metyr warrants a video of her own. Thanks for sharing and catching on to this!
I don't think the "Eternal City" leveled by Astel was any of the extant ones. Indeed, they have not been leveled at all. Astel's lair is deep below the Lake of Rot. In the lake there are scattered buildings from the Ancient Dynasty. If there was a city here, it has indeed been leveled. In general the places where we find astels is in the Ancient Dynasty stratum, perhaps with the exception of the Snowfields Astel. Something else I find questionable is the assertion that Farum Azula was always floating. It does have roads that once led places, including the Bestial Sanctum. So what's with the ruin debris? Maybe there were floating temples but I don't think Farum Azula was always afloat. Maybe just really tall like the divine bridges. We do have that one divine bridge that doesn't go anywhere. Also, why are there so many golems in Limgrave, who may also have fallen from the Sky? So many questions, but you seem to be good at coming up with answers. Any thoughts as who from whose corpses came the Godslayer's Greatsword and the Fingerslayer Blade?
I just realized, the eclipse shotel might be the weapon used to decapitate the soulless demigods, it's shaped perfectly for it 2:18 This could be a clever way to describe the light fading from the eyes of someone who was just beheaded.
Cool video! I do agree that the GOQ/the godskins are an exceedingly ancient part of the lands between, tho I believe that both Nox and Rauh are descendanrs of the Numen that represented polar aspects of their culture, namely light and dark. I believe they used to directly contact the Greater Will through the use of a third, shamanic branch of Numen who were capable of contacting and manipulating spirits. They attempted apotheosis by creating the elden ring, at the cost og greatly reducing all Numen races and brought about the rise of elden lords. I still have to work out the details, but this is what makes the most sense to me as far as lands between pre history goes
I need your help. Can you try to connect some of your theories with mesopotamian mythology? Elden ring lore is clearly based on mesopotamia. The people of Mesopotamia were astronomers who looked at the night sky for signs of “cycles” and the sun was divine. For them, an eclipse represented an “omen” which is a motif in elden ring. One of the statues in the eternal city of elden ring is holding a perfect copy of a real world map of babylon (the oldest world-map of the world) and babylon is located in mesopotamia. Also, mesopotamia was defined as a land between two rivers, just like in elden ring the underground ancient cities are all in between two rivers (the siofra and ainsel rivers) which are clearly inspired in the euphrates and tigris rivers that surround mesopotamia. The hornsent are probably inspired by the greeks, and there is a real world statue of moses where he has horns, and those horns were suppose to be “divine” which fits the ideology of the hornsent in elden ring. I also think that the rise of marika was inspired by the rise of christianity, which is pretty obvious when you consider the similarities between statues of marika and the statues of jesus christ. Sun realm = mesopotamia, hornsent = greeks, golden order = christianity Since this comment got pinned, I will add some more context. First, there is something I forgot to mention related to mesopotamia. Most people have heard of the story about the arc of noah, where he puts animals in a giant boat and saves himself in the apocalypse thanks to the advice of god. A lot of people don’t know that this tale is actually inspired by the mesopotamian tale called the “epic of gilgamesh” where the events are pretty much the same as the arc of noah. The reason why I bring this up is because in the dlc, there is a place (where st trina is found) filled with giants boats that look ancients, and near the cliff (where you have to jump from to begin the boss fight) there are a group of EVERY non-hostile animal from elden ring, they are just laying there with the giant boats, I think that this is a direct reference to the tale of gilgamesh where he saved one animal for every species in a giant boat. There is clearly something we are missing here and its definetely related to mesopotamia. Another thing that I think a lot of people are missing, is that there seems to be theme in elden ring that connects "water" with "death", if a great flood once ocurred in elden ring then it would make sense that the world of elden ring relates those two. The map of elden ring is filled boats in the seas, which could be a depiction of how people first arrived from the giants boats during the great flood, the mariners who represent those who live in death are always found in a pond of water riding a boat, the prince of death giant body grave seems to have a bunch of aquatic animals features, which makes sense if "water" is related to 'death" and lastly, the mesopotamians needed water for agriculture, and thus water represented "life" (which is similar to how marika's tree represents life) but at the same time they feared floods (flooding of water), because it would destroy their crops, I think that this could be interpreted as the duality of water representing both "life" and "death" which would explain the water connection with "those who live in death" and it would also explain why godwin's body is developing aquatic features since he is neither death or alive, but somewhere in between, I still have countless more connections that I would like to share, but for now, I hope somebody was able to develop a theory from this extra context.
Wow, thanks for sharing this. I am pinning this as it provides some really helpful context to the video and Elden Ring's world. I am afriad I know little about mesopotamian mythology but what immediately come to mind is the eclipse representing an "Omen" you mentioned. I didnt include Omen (the Omen in the game) in the video as I am still in process of working that part out, but I did dig out enough to connect for you this: The "death flare" of the Eclipse Shotel would flare up the weapon with a black and yellow flame and create an explosion of said flame. The same color of the death lightnting cast by the Lich Dragon Fortissax or the color of the death mist of the wormface or Fia's Mist. Dung Eater's Omen Armor has a Sun Medalion whose description reads "The heavy, sun-shaped medallion represents both the guidance he once saw, and the ring to which it will one day lead." And the Omen ogres also has attacks that spews out that black and yellow flame of the Eclipse Shotel. This is the only thing I can provide at the moment as the I am still cooking the theory. I will most likely addressing this in my next few vids. But the Omen and the giants definitely has something to do with the sun.
Great video, my friend. Unfortunately, my channel is in Portuguese, but in my first and only theory video, I also pointed out the fact that there is more than one Elden Ring. Additionally, I agree with you that, prior to the Golden Order, it is very likely that there was the Age of the Sun. My video was more about the real form of the Elden Ring, and I pointed that it's not impossible for other outer gods to have their own rings. Btw, your video gave me a great idea for another theory! 😅 Keep de good work, mate!
@@specialnewb9821 Is that so? Then why it's Elden Ring came from space? Why the Elden Beast is a cosmic being? I undertand your idea that maybe it is the god of the region, but it would make no sense since there was another gods wich were worshiped long before the Greater Will... But, if you have an explanation about it, I would like to hear!
@G4MES_Theory it's a bad translation. the japanese version defines what we call outer gods as aspects of nature/reality excluded from the Golden Order. The Greater Will is above them, it created the reality that the outer gods embody. An outer god can certainly take over and become the essence of the age, becoming a central part of the Elden Ring, but it's still using the tool created by the greater will. The greater will does not appear to care WHAT order there, merely that there IS an order
@@specialnewb9821 Wow! Gotcha! If the english translation isn't accurate, then I bet that the portuguese version is even worse. I will take a good the japanese version, cuz it's not the first time people tell me about the bad translations... Thanks for explaining your point, mate!
Amazing video and amazing work collecting it all! I have been having similar thoughts ever since the recent eclipse in America's midwest. An eclipse implies the influence of a moon. To add to the apocalypses you've already mentioned, I also feel that the Shattered stone talisman and Relanna's twin moon spell imply that one or more moons once struck the lands between, possibly from failed (or successful) eclipse ascension events. Also, The "stars," made out of stone crowns implies that maybe one or more of the moons might have been made from a sacrifice of a very large number of astrologer/scholars. I forget who it was, Scum mage Infa or maybe Zayf the scholar but someone was going on about a theory of, "cruible technology." Where large numbers of people are sacrificed for one reason or another. According to them there have countless crucible events, including but not limited to all of the nox buildings with frozen people reaching out of them. Possibly an event like that created a moon for an eclipse. Maybe that is how all moons were made for every eclipse. I can think of at least 3 moons, the dark moon, the full moon and the black moon of nokstella.
I also mentioned in your last video that there was a lot of Egyptian imagery in the game and this new video made me think of more. Horus was the reincarnation of Ra and the sun and moon were supposed to be his eyes. The sun was his good eye but Set had apparently ripped out his other eye. There are different stories about how his second eye was healed some say it was Isis, others say it was Hathor or Thoth but someone eventually healed/regrew his missing eye by pouring milk into the empty socket. This disappearing of the eye and the pouring of milk back into it were supposed to represent the cycles of the moon. I believe that the missing eye was at some point buried and watered and from it the first grapes grew. (makes me think of the frenzied flame and the discarding of the three fingers) So in one Egyptian myth we might have references to the greater will, an apocalypse or wounding event that removed gold from a celestial body, only to have that body be replaced by one that is silvery or milky white. Also there is a story about the journey of Ra that is supposed to describe the reason there is night and day. In the beginning Ra is born form a holy cow and form there he travels across the sky, sometimes being pushed by a dung beetle, sometimes being driven on a chariot of winged snakes, I believe. His incarnation changes a few times as he crosses the sky until the sun eventually sets and he dies. When Ra dies his soul, depicted as Ra with a ram's head boards a mythical boat/river barge and stars his nightly journey through the underworld. There he has to pass multiple gates and fight of an abyssal serpent. In fact there are many, many different serpents and I think 8 gates he goes through. Mighty Set even kills the great serpent. Eventually he makes it out of the underworld only to be reborn again with the following dawn. Your highlighting of the changing of color and the draining of gold and red from things, as well as the descriptions of a sunset all remind me of these myths. Interestingly Set is a hero in one and an villain in another. Which makes me wonder, who might be the Set in the Elden Ring world, Godfrey, Radagon, the Storm King (Set was a god of storms)? PS: There is an important Egyptian funerary amulet called the, "two fingers, " amulet, that are supposed to be Osiris's two fingers. They were usually placed around the liver area on a mummy and were supposed to offer mystical protection from further decay. Just another interesting tie in.
This is an old write-up now, with some recent updates from the DLC. Marika is the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen. - Red and black spike of death impales Marika and keeps her in place when we find her at the end. Only Maliketh wields this power, and only he could even defeat a God like Marika. But he's so loyal to her, why would he? - Maliketh "defeated" the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen. We know Shadowbound hounds have to attack their former master if The Fingers feel like the Empyrean is acting against them. We play through this reality with Ranni's quest, and both she and Iji know Blaidd will go mad as she enacts her vision. How do they know this happens? They saw/heard of it happening to Maliketh and Marika already. - Only Marika would be able to guide Ranni to the location of the Rune of Death and how to use it for it to be stolen in the first place to forge the Black Knives. Remember, "Marika... is this what it is to sin?" "Why gull me..." Marika, after all, had only one use for Maliketh in the end, after the other work was done... a vessel to seal away Destined Death. And even then, she betrayed him. - The Beast Eye is a purple, scratched up eye. It's Marika's eye from being defeated and imprisoned by her Shadowbound. No other Queen or Empyrean is "defeated" but not slain, as the text implies there except Marika. And who but her purpose-made hound could even stop her, a God? The one entity empowered enough by the Ring/Fingers to be able to do so should the need arise. - Dominula Village is much like the Hinterlands and the Shaman Village. We find a skinning ritual and a Godskin Apostle there in Dominula. We learn that the "festival" is old and tacitly accepted by the Golden Order. The aesthetic of these villages is much the same, and they're intimately tied to Marika herself. - Gideon gives us a boon in the form of a secret rite known only to him, Black Flame Protection. He is alleged to have peered into the will of Queen Marika, and shuddered at the end that should not be. - The Scadutree is of a dual nature. So is Queen Marika. When Gold arose, so too was Shadow born. Gold and Shadow exist as necessary contrasts to each other, yet in a God, in Marika, this duality exists in coalesce, or it did once. - No other characters are named as Queen or Empyrean that aren't already accounted for/ruled out to be the GEQ, and by that I mean Melina, she was given purpose by her mother at the foot of the Erdtree and that means she is a daughter of Marika, not old enough to be the GEQ but possesses traits of both Marika and Radagon. Eye color and hair color are passed down traits we see in game. Well, sure enough, Melina shows us a purple/gloamy eye in one ending. Inherited trait from her mother, the Queen in Black. Marika's eyes are never shown to us, to judge their color. - Duskborn ending sees Godwyn rise to ascendancy and sees Death restored, with him as the Prince of Death itself. These titles aren't meaningless. Duskborn? The "Prince" of Death? Well, who would the Queen be? If Godwyn is Duskborn, and if he is a Prince, his mother would, of course, be associated with "Dusk" and be a Queen. And we know his mother is Queen Marika. - Fia is hooded with a black cloak and comes from some other land. She also helps create Godwyn's Duskborn ending and is Death-aligned. We see Marika wearing black hooded garb in a statue where she also is holding the twins Miquella and Malenia. Her tattered clothing as we find her at the end is also black. She is also associated with the Nox/Numen race and the Black Knife Assassins that come from there as well. - Statues of Marika in her crucified pose all show her with a flowing black cloth that wraps behind her in almost the exact same shape as the Godslayer Greatsword, which was the weapon or ritual sword of the GEQ/DEQ. You have to pivot the camera a bit to get a good view, but the shape is very similar. Coiled and then open, with one flap slightly longer than the other, same tip design on the Godslayer Greatsword. It's possible that she was propped up by the Hornsent culture and then part of the betrayal was killing other Gods in their pantheon, but what's maybe more possible is as Centered Tarnished pointed out, that Marika culled some other of her "unwanted" children after learning the truth of the broken Fingers and flawed foundations of her Order. - Godwyn is referred to as the "Prince of Gold" in an item description. If a Prince of Death could have been a Prince of Gold, why couldn't his mother hold this potential as well, even necessarily so? We see from the Death Knights that Gold and Death can somehow synergize even still... Gold and Shadow, born at the same time, same as it ever was. - Hewg prays to Queen Marika about his given task to craft a Godslaying weapon. Very interesting and specific task. Marika wants a God slain. He mentions "the sheer terror of Her..." regarding Marika. Godskins certainly take an interest in killing a God. Who was their leader? A "defeated" Queen who was once an Empyrean. Marika. - Raging Wolf Vargram is a would-be Shadow. Wolf imagery is on his armor. He wields the Godslayer Greatsword. The weapon art is "The Queen's Black Flame", of course. A statue of Marika exists in Farum Azula showing her with three wolves. - Marika learned the secrets of the Golden Order and realized her children would "amount only to sacrifices" as she instructed them. She knew the Erdtree was a soul parasite, and by sealing Death away, she weakened the Erdtree over time. She also had Godwyn buried at the roots of it, knowing that he would grow and overtake them, choking the Erdtree further. As he was, Godwyn was an "unwanted" child since he embodied the Golden Order, and she was a prisoner to it. He would end up much like Miquella would, a caged divinity of some kind. She was likely opposed to the Erdtree and Greater Will/Fingers for a long time, weaving plots in secret until the Shattering. She realized, only too late, that ultimate power has a way of becoming a curse when the truth of the nature of it all is finally revealed. Just as Marika shined so brightly with her Golden Order, another aspect of her was as deep as the abyss and as dark as any shadow.
@@ALaz502 He's not. It's from a reddit post and everyone is posting it like the gospel now. Personally, I think a lot of these could be explained by the nascent theory that "Marika and the GEQ were twins like Morgott and Mohg and possibly stole Messmer and Melina from the GEQ". Like, if we didn't have the Lord of Blood boss fight we could easily assume that Mohg was actually just a piece of Morgott like Margit. In a similar vein, the GEQ might appear to be Marika because we don't see her at all.
@@Yes34sumo There's some very interesting correlations that could reinforce this theory, but it also makes some baseless assumptions in my opinion. Black robes on a statue? How can you tell? What points to Godwyn being her unwanted child? (edit: the ghost outside of the Church of Pilgrimage does) Namely, Melina's older brother Messmer is a very fascinating link. > He wields a shadowy, soul-burning fire that is explicitly an aspect of his being, traits quite comparable to the Godslaying Black Flame. > We never get to see his real eyes as his right eye is plucked out and the left one never opens (like Melina's, curiously), but the Gloam-eyed Queen *does* have a heavy connection to serpents. Messmer has a symbiotic relationship with the Abyssal Serpent, or maybe he just is it. > If Marika is/was the Gloam-eyed Queen, it would make sense that she would want to hide her former identity by scorning snakes. Maybe Messmer was hidden away in the Realm of Shadow because of this close tie. What reason does she possibly have to be scared of the snake, that it would be the sole reason she sealed her own son away? some other reinforcing evidence I can think of off the top of my head > the trailer inexorably links Gold and Shadow, twin aspects that were birthed simultaneously > Destined Death is explicitly referred to as the "forbidden shadow" plucked from the Golden Order upon its creation > the God-Slaying power of the Black Flame was lost when Maliketh sealed away Destined Death. (Scouring Black Flame) > how did Gideon find a Black Flame incantation? "Perhaps the Queen's sorrow was justified?" > in the Temple of Eiglay, the snake is strung up in a manner similar to how Marika is depicted in her Lands Between statues. (shoutout to Scum Mage Infa in their "True Identity of the Gloam Eyed Queen" video for this observation) I also had a theory that the original sin was the plucking of Destined Death from the Golden Order upon its creation but that would be too recent of an event in the world's history for it to be original. Plus if that were the case, Miquella would have gone to Farum Azula himself. Ultimately I think it's certainly possible that Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, but there isn't really enough evidence to say for sure
People need to really think about how many examples of split body/split soul things are going on with demi gods and Empyreans. Hell even D, a Tarnished, has a split body. We see Melanias "daughters" who presumably were born from rot blooms, or their petals, Im not sure but the point is I think Melina is a purposeful shedding of Marikas GEQ persona. The crucible can blend and split life and spirit. The revelation should be that Marika divested parts of herself similar to Miquella, the GEQ being one of those parts.
@@ghotiphoti There is a finger reader in the Nameless Eternal City (where Godwyns body is) that heavily implies he was an unwanted child. The walking Masoleums reinforce this. We do not see the color of her clothing in the statues, true, but we see her in black in promotional images and her baldachin in her bedchamber is the same black fabric we see all over The Land of Shadow thats draped over buildings; even draped over the Scadutree itself.
Could the shattering of the black moon have cause a widespread meteor shower over an extended time period that caused the flood of molten rock that tarnished archeologist spoke about recently? The flood that the stone coffin arks of the ancient dynasty, now resting on the cerulean coast, were built to survive. A flood that banished the eternal cities (and the ancient dynasty) underground by litterally covering them with molten rock.
Oh and then, of course, the age thst followed the eclipse and subsequent shattering of the black moon and the flood it's falling pieces caused came an age devoid if order. The age of the crucible. Ruled by the gloam eyed queen and the god devouring serpent in enir ilim. Because, what do you think the did with the flesh of the gods they skinned? Marika usurped the age by killing the serpent and ascending to godhood by creating a new golden rune from her body and the rune arcs from the serpents body and form a new elden ring within herself at the gate of divinity where she was presumably supposed to be sacrificed like so many before.
Very interesting the he has the same idea! When Elden Ring launched I forced myself to stop watching lore videos as i really want to have my own interpretation without the influence of others. A painful sacrifice and decision to me personally and the reason why the theory crafting and essay writing of this video took me over a month. But yes I mentioned the meteorites of different Astel and the shattered or tumbling moon must have drastically altered the landscape of the Lands Between. What came to this conclusion for me is the resulting meteorites shower that must have resulted in immense level of heat to the surface due to the prolonged and repeating impacts of meteorites.
I have a theory that Ranni was forcefully married to the Godwyn in order to untie families. Maybe she killed him, but maybe they actually loved each other and committed both to the ritual, Godwyn sacrificing himself for Ranni.
Elden Ring is made of cycles. Both Miquella and Ranni talk about 1000 years long "voyages". And if we mend the Elden Ring to usher a new age, we add a cycle to it. What if each cycle the Elden Ring is comprised of is 1000 years it has existed for. Therefore, Sun Realm Elden Ring has existed for many thousands of years, but our current for only three.
Firstly, great video. I love the way you told this story it was captivating the whole way through and I'm pretty convinced on many of the theories presented here. The only thing that I'm a bit iffy on is the timeline of things. As an example, we know that the blackflame monks became traitors and abandoned their posts as guardians, and we know that the OG firemonks as a religious order in general were founded after the giants had been slain and the erdtree already established. This makes me wonder if perhaps the gloam eyed queen was related to Queen Marika in any way and possibly even active alongside her before they came into conflict? Maybe she was her mother or twin sister? Other lore theorists in the community have suggested that Marika may be THE abductor virgin who perhaps stole the children of the gloam eyed queen and used them to her own ends. Whatever the case, I had this thought while I was wandering the shadow keep earlier today. Who built it and why? Moreover, why is it from an artistic standpoint so dark and well uhh shadowyy.... The place is built like an absolute fortress and it sits in the relative center of the lands of shadow not far from the suppressing pillar and within it is this church district submerged in water? That area looks absolutely desecrated compared to the rest of the place which is fairly well kept by messmers soldiers. I believe that the shadow keep was the gloam eyed queens original seat of power in the lands between, and this video helped cement that idea for me. Firstly, it's just down the road from Metyr who likely sanctioned the gloam eyed queens ascension to power as an emperyan. Moreover, it's perfectly within proximity of actual living God's to slay via the hornsents tutelary deities or even the divine animal warriors and smithing "deity" golems. Furthermore, we even find a painting within the shadowkeep titled "domain of dragons," which the gloam eyed queen was likely the god of, and it's a depiction of the shadowkeep alongside the scadutree. We even find stormhawk feathers in the church district, what an odd thing to find in this place? Then finally after fighting another God damn ulcerated tree spirit we find an iris of occultation... What is an occultation? It's an event that occurs when one interstellar body ECLIPSES another. Giving this iris to Jolan the swordhand of night will grant you her sword but not her spirit. Could Marika have maybe used this device to manipulate the queen into lending her blade to her cause in slaying rival gods such as the fire giants? Would explain why they're all impaled by thorns if perhaps the gloam eyed queen was drawing from the power of the scadutree, and we do find the thorn spells in the shadowkeep yet again but this comment is already long and speculative enough as is.
Hi haha yes I also considered that. So I also said soon after that "whether she simply left or fled(whether it was minstranslated or not), it isnt going to affect this picture that I am going to paint you."
There's a lot goin on here, I absolutely love your attention to detail. A lot of focus on very much neglected item descriptions! Especially about the sun symbs, the banished knights, the beastmen and the scattered ruins. You make a lot of satisfying ties between those. You're great addition to the loretubes!
Important note that I don't think you mentioned. The sun (in game) is a colorless white. Like, if you rest at a grace that isn't at Farum Azula (sun there also appears white) and find the sun in the sky, it's white.
12:23 when you are talking about the ruins scattered about, you are the first person who made me imagine the erdtree itself, crashing into Farum Azula as it was launched from wherever the greater will is. Which would honestly be wild as fuck to imagine that's why there's ruins all over the map like that
2:20 this is a very interesting interpretation. I originally just took it to mean that with the eyes of a dragon they simply saw things far more vividly.
some details caught my eye, I'm curious if anyone has thoughts on these things 1:15:31 who knows if there is actually a correlation and if so what could it be that both metyir and the creatures affected by deth blight spit out these worms 1:09:50 I think it wasn't said in the video, sorry if I'm wrong but the sky when Marika ascends to the gate of divinity is purple on the left, an aesthetic element that could strengthen the theory because purple may be the color of the gloom eye queen
I am glad someone caught on haha. The video has gotten to long for my liking so I decide to use the clips to show some ideas instead. There are more as well so feel pay to watch again and pay attention to the clips I used! THEY TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO SHOOT haha. The Gloam sky is not intended as its from the trailer. But good catch!
@@OccamsOnion I take this opportunity to congratulate both the director and the screenplay of the video. 10\10 and applause I've actually seen a lot of videos about Elden Ring lore and your content is definitely one of the best a tip from a video I saw recently, if you're interested, there's a RUclipsr who recently analyzed some reliefs of some of the gloom eyed queen's equipment, You might be interested in the analysis if you haven't seen it. I don't remember the content of the video but I had never noticed some details. ruclips.net/video/t_3HuiEVvP0/видео.html
I had already been putting together some of the eclipse/sun realm/ancient dragon empire stuff in my mind but you've connected the dots in such an impressive way, and connected it to the greater story so neatly as well! Thank you for this!
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Farum Azula situates in a separate time from the base game. The "Last Elden Ring Era" isn't in the past, but in fact being in the future. Note the Miquella's golden hair present on the Ring and the praying boy statue underneath it. The strange Elden Ring is all about the Age of Compassion.
Interesting Idea! But I think it think it would be hard to reconcile with the description of the Dragoncrest Talisman that states "The ancient dragons ruled the prehistoric era before the Erdtree" or that of the Altus Blooms thats hints at the gold before the Erdtree Era. It seems to me the last Elden Ring Cylcle is very much is in the past. Genuinely interested in your thoughts.
@@OccamsOnion The Elden Ring represents the Order, I think it could also represent the Time, which is in fact, a loop. Players die and revive again and again, in different cycles of the "Infinite Time Loop". Quote from Sir Ofnir "Queen Marika has high hopes for us...That we continue to struggle. Unto eternity." Hence the past becomes the future and vice versa.
@@willazeppeli What Gideon Ofnir says isn't cyclical though. He's advocating stasis. No one may take the throne. Apparently the fingers that he's been communing with (Lord's Divine Fortification) told him that that's what Marika wants. The Fingers are not aligned with Marika so I don't believe it to be true, but they did have a motive for the lie which I can't quite grasp. I don't think they believed the cycle could continue. This aligns with Radagon's actions who also attempted to deny access and ascent. He's but a tool of the Fingers. Maybe they are doing damage control much like Placidusax.
While your theory is very interesting (and compelling), my problem is that you discount the English version of events when the writer of the Pre-Shattering lore (G RRMartin) is an American who wrote the lore in English. In fact, vers 1.00 has a lot of English info that was later removed because GRRM's lore-building was explicit. For example, in vers 1.00 it outright states crucial info in the "gift" you can choose for your character. 1, the rune states that Grace inhabits the eyes of the inhabitants of the Lands Between. 2, Miquella created the Bewitching Branches himself. 3, one item states that Radagon KNEW the Tarnished would return and warned the others about it (meaning he knew of Marika's plan to use the Tarnished to free herself of the GW, which is why he locks her away with the briar thorns of Radagon). It is like everyone wants to dismiss GRR Martin's basis for the world. If GRRM says that Placidusax's god "fled" then his god fled. Edit to add that there are soulless demigods in the Finger Ruins, meaning that the God of Death (and Deathblight) certainly could have existed before Godwyn's assassination. Moreover, the 2nd Dancing Lion has a Deathblight phase, meaning it can channel that god independent of Godwyn. I believe Marika used Godwyn as a vessel for Deathblight much the same as she used Messmer for the Abyssal Serpent and Malenia for the Scarlet Rot.
Hi! Glad that you liked the theory and thanks for watching as well. I guess because I used the different translation as an entry point and has led to a misunderstanding, as I mention soon after that whether the god fled or simply left, it doesnt affect this picture that i am going to paint you. I also purposefully brought up both fled and left throughout the vid as well. Hope this can clear things up!
@@OccamsOnion and I agree with you on many things, especially the idea that a Death god existed before Godwyn. I would encourage you to incorporate the soulless demigods of the Finger Ruins into your theory about Death and the Sun Realm because I think their presence at the Finger Ruins supports the idea of the Death god predating Godwyn and the Night of the Black Knives.
This video has interesting speculation, but I don't think there's enough evidence that the GEQ was Placidusax's goddess (let's call it Dragon God for short), nor that she shattered her Elden Ring, nor that a second Elden Ring appeared. What I think makes sense in the timeline is, definitely, that the Dragon God had the Elden Ring, that said god was at some point brought to Marika, that Marika took the Elden Ring from the Dragon God to control it and reshape it. Nothing here would anger the Greater Will or the Elden Beast. They represent order, and all those steps described before still maintain order. True, the different orders might be different, but they all have the effect of maintaining control over the Lands Between. The Elden Beast intervened when Marika shattered the Elden Ring. Not reshaped, not manipulated. Shattered. An essential rejection of the concept of order and effectively a rebellion against the Greater Will. I think you're right about the eclipse of death, and how that was the end of the kingdom of the sun, but the fact that it was the Dragon God who orchestrated the whole thing seems contrived to me. Let's look at other possibilities. For example, we know that the GEQ possessed the power to kill gods in her flame, most likely because she imbued the flames with Destined Death. If that's the case, the eclipse of death would've been able to kill Dragon God. Makes sense that Dragon God would disappear or run away, in that situation. The GEQ could've been the empyrean from the eternal cities that orchestrated the eclipse. Another thing we know is that the Crucible existed before the Erdtree, and was worshipped by the Hornsent. So, there was at least a period between the kingdom of the sun and the Golden Order, where the Hornsent culture flourished. It's possible that Dragon God was part of that worship. After the eclipse of death, and the end of the kingdom of the sun, Dragon God finds refuge with the hornsent because the GEQ is still a danger, having followers even after the destruction of the eternal cities. That's where Marika comes in. defeating the GEQ and ingratiating herself with the Hornsent in doing so. This would be the "seduction" from the DLC trailer. After which, comes the betrayal. Marika kills the Dragon God, takes the Elden Ring foe herself, refashions it. None of this requires a second Elden Ring, or the shattering of the previous one. The Greater Will doesn't really care about power struggle for who holds control of the rules of the world, as long as THERE ARE rules. That's why nothing before Marika required the intervention of the Elden Beast. Well, one thing definitely required intervention, which was the destruction of the eternal cities. The eternal cities were a threat to order in the sense that they didn't want to exercise control, but wanted to completely uproot what was there before and set up their own thing, without the Greater Will. The Greater Will doesn't care who wins, as long as they play by the rules. But the Nox weren't playing by the rules. Of course, this isn't an airtight theory. The Dragon God being "rescued" by the Hornsent is contrived, and there's probably something else going on there, But we do know that the Hornsent worship the Crucible of Life, and that Marika took the Crucible and essentially turned it into the Erdtree. The added symbols to the Elden Ring of the dragons seeing in Maliketh's arena most likely represented the chaotic life forces of the Crucible (which Marika removed because she wanted to eliminate Hornsent culture). Maybe the sun of the Dragon God was giving light and energy to the Crucible? That would be an explanation for who the Hornsent could've helped the Dragon God. But there's still a lot that I need to understand about all of this. Hope the comment wasn't too long of a read. At least, this is what I got out of this discussion. What do you think?
My God this is genius, I think you've cracked the code. Only thing I might not agree with is whether or not faram azula was always floating, Indeed, It may have once been situated upon the jagged peak.
I am recommending this video to anyone I can who is into Elden Ring lore. I truly believe you have put together the most accurate timeline of anyone so far and is most likely the closest to what GRR Martins original writing for the game included. I would give a finger to get my hands on his writing content for this game 😅
Loved the video! Seeing the link from the eclipse ritual with the previous cycle of gods, layered with the ruins above and below, was refreshing. Can't wait for the next one. You are doing a great and through job with Fromsoft's grandest game World history is a doozy, let alone one inspired by GRRM and Miyazaki.
One thing I'd like to point out is the apparent connection between the banished knights and the various divine beast warriors of the Hornsent. From their horned armor to their movesets with elements of the storm, including even lightning in commander Niall's case they seem fairly inspired even remnants of their veneration of lions seems to have found a foothold into their culture. What with the frost related abilities those lions that hang around them have they're almost mini divine lions
Could the gate of divinity be devoid of color because of having be exposed to the eclipse? And could the big monument over the shadowtree chalice have been oriented towards the sun? Being a receptacle for the light as it the eclipse shown through
I feel like this hits a point in the lands between timeline that hasn’t been explored much yet. I can’t wait to finish the video and see where we end up!
I’m very impressed and I hope this video gets picked up by the algorithm so more people can see it because this is the most satisfying timeline I’ve seen. I can’t think of any anomalous pieces of lore that have to be ignored for your sequence of events and conjectures to work. I think your biggest contribution to collective ER lore theory is the concept of two separate elden rings. You even provided a bullet proof reason for the elden beast to arrive at a point in time that was seemingly AFTER the Greater Will’s apparent establishment of its hegemony in the Lands Between and imposed its order on life and death. I’m looking forward to your future videos!
@@OccamsOnion no but if the queen there is charmed like the purple eyed ants, that'd be an interesting use of the Nox charm. What my "epiphany" was the idea that if it wasn't the shaman village as a whole who uncovered their eyes, then the founding of the Lux could be tied to Marika's escape/withdrawal from the land of the Hornsent control post jar sainthood/ jarring of her village and marked by the removal of her blindfold
@@OccamsOnion so i went back to Queen Gilika and noticed that not only is she the only Demi-Human Queen to have uncovered eyes, but also is the only one to not cast any spells
This is huge. Another comments have pointed out that the eternal darkness spell that looks also looks like a black hole sucking all up spells. And you see when total solar eclipse occurs there is a moment of complete darkness before the white halo appears..
nice video, but what i am surprised you didnt say at the end is what clicked for me as i was watching, i dont know if it is even my opinion or something i agree with but i find it kind of makes sense in this context, so the first shattered elden ring might be literally the elden beast, that is why it is "the" (current) elden ring but at the same it is kind of not, one of the reasons it occured to me was because of the spiral on the farum azula ring and the elden stars icon is kind of like the bottom of it (maybe even extending more down, basically falling)
There's good ideas in here, but this would be way better if you didn't just make shit up with zero evidence. Why are most of the newer lore creators like this?
I mean its hard not to do that with a game as heavily analyzed as Elden ring. Either you end up repeating what someone like vaati, smough, or tarnished archaeologist said already, or you go out on a limb on the more vague parts of the setting without too much evidence
@nottwo true, hopefully he expands on his thoughts in other videos. I didnt see anything I full on disagreed with, but Im curious what his logic is for a lot of the claims he makes
Hi! Thanks for checking the vid out and am glad you are able to find some ideas that are to your liking. Would you mind bringing up the points that you found "made up", I might able to use it as an opportunity shed some more light.
@@nottwo dude tf I've seen some creators literally just going off and constructing their interpretation on vibes/themes/metaphors. And, mind you, that's not "strictly wrong", that's just a different way of engaging with the media. This channel constantly presents item description and environmental storytelling, while trying to make as few assumptions as possible to tie this all together. Not only are you a dick, but you're literally wrong..??
Also to mention an Eclipse also visually looks like a Black Hole, Red = Sun while Blue = Moon and we get a Purple Black Hole, ( Gravity Sorcery often resembles a Black Hole) remember Eternal darkness can suck up sorcery, so can The Moon Sorcery of Ranni and Rennalla, their effects suck up Incantations and Sorcery, like a Black Hole.
Yes indeed, glorious, exquisite masterpiece. Spreading this around. Thank you for the colossal effort getting your thoughts and analysis out, priceless contribution to the community in largely dry times. 💜🫧
@@OccamsOnion I happen to prefer the longer form videos. They allow for a lot more clarity and continuity as well as structurally cohesive expression of ideas. Definitely will pay off!
OMG THE WORMFACE ARE LIKE THE ORACLE ENVOYS BUT FOR THE DEATH GOD... And that means the aged untouchables are the envoys for the frenzied flame!
bug things, envoys of the rot.
And they're wilting sunflowers no less, one in the Altus Plateau can be found admiring one of Miquella's lilies, maybe with a hint of jealousy as it still retains its golden hue.
I think the worm faces might have a connection to the potentates and their caterpillar masks
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Thank You For That.
Something To Think On.
i mean if any people wouldve been cursed by marika across multiple realms it would be those guys
Wtf, now that you said it, it seems obvious
One thing that the caterpillar masks have me wondering, are those the caterpillars that all of the butterflies in game are coming from, cause there are a heck of a lot of butterflies but no caterpillars until now.
35:00 I believe the mechanism that tarnishes and strips things of luster is time. We see his description on almost all gauntlets of knights' sets: "Time has yet to dull their luster." It's possible that the Dragonlord stopped the "tarnishment" by literally stopping time in Farum Azula.
lol that's almost exactly what you say later
I am glad someone brought up the "tarnishment" in the comment. Since the video has been too long in the making, I have had some new thoughts on the mechanism as well. I also think there is more going on behind "drained of color/luster" than its literal meaning. Your interpretation of the gauntlets and time is very intriguing. I will see what I can cook up and hopefully share in the next vid! Much thanks!
This had big implications on Metyr's Microcosm having the mesh name "Sun"
Wow, I had no idea the mesh is named sun. But I did have this in mind, and hinted at 3:43, 52:04, 1:14:07 with editing. Of course not a complete theory at this point. So just trying to provoke some ideas with the clips I use. This is another reason I mentioned Metyr warrants a video of her own. Thanks for sharing and catching on to this!
I don't think the "Eternal City" leveled by Astel was any of the extant ones. Indeed, they have not been leveled at all. Astel's lair is deep below the Lake of Rot. In the lake there are scattered buildings from the Ancient Dynasty. If there was a city here, it has indeed been leveled. In general the places where we find astels is in the Ancient Dynasty stratum, perhaps with the exception of the Snowfields Astel.
Something else I find questionable is the assertion that Farum Azula was always floating. It does have roads that once led places, including the Bestial Sanctum. So what's with the ruin debris? Maybe there were floating temples but I don't think Farum Azula was always afloat. Maybe just really tall like the divine bridges. We do have that one divine bridge that doesn't go anywhere. Also, why are there so many golems in Limgrave, who may also have fallen from the Sky?
So many questions, but you seem to be good at coming up with answers. Any thoughts as who from whose corpses came the Godslayer's Greatsword and the Fingerslayer Blade?
I just realized, the eclipse shotel might be the weapon used to decapitate the soulless demigods, it's shaped perfectly for it
2:18 This could be a clever way to describe the light fading from the eyes of someone who was just beheaded.
the descendants of the nox are the nightfolk
the numen were the people of the sun and after the cataclysm became the shaman
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Glad you liked it!
Cool video! I do agree that the GOQ/the godskins are an exceedingly ancient part of the lands between, tho I believe that both Nox and Rauh are descendanrs of the Numen that represented polar aspects of their culture, namely light and dark. I believe they used to directly contact the Greater Will through the use of a third, shamanic branch of Numen who were capable of contacting and manipulating spirits. They attempted apotheosis by creating the elden ring, at the cost og greatly reducing all Numen races and brought about the rise of elden lords. I still have to work out the details, but this is what makes the most sense to me as far as lands between pre history goes
This video was truly enlightening. Thank you.❤️🙏
this was a big cook. Loved the video!
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You can see the eclipse on Seluvis's hat and the gems on the Godskin robes! I'm sold!
I need your help. Can you try to connect some of your theories with mesopotamian mythology? Elden ring lore is clearly based on mesopotamia. The people of Mesopotamia were astronomers who looked at the night sky for signs of “cycles” and the sun was divine. For them, an eclipse represented an “omen” which is a motif in elden ring. One of the statues in the eternal city of elden ring is holding a perfect copy of a real world map of babylon (the oldest world-map of the world) and babylon is located in mesopotamia. Also, mesopotamia was defined as a land between two rivers, just like in elden ring the underground ancient cities are all in between two rivers (the siofra and ainsel rivers) which are clearly inspired in the euphrates and tigris rivers that surround mesopotamia. The hornsent are probably inspired by the greeks, and there is a real world statue of moses where he has horns, and those horns were suppose to be “divine” which fits the ideology of the hornsent in elden ring. I also think that the rise of marika was inspired by the rise of christianity, which is pretty obvious when you consider the similarities between statues of marika and the statues of jesus christ. Sun realm = mesopotamia, hornsent = greeks, golden order = christianity
Since this comment got pinned, I will add some more context. First, there is something I forgot to mention related to mesopotamia. Most people have heard of the story about the arc of noah, where he puts animals in a giant boat and saves himself in the apocalypse thanks to the advice of god. A lot of people don’t know that this tale is actually inspired by the mesopotamian tale called the “epic of gilgamesh” where the events are pretty much the same as the arc of noah. The reason why I bring this up is because in the dlc, there is a place (where st trina is found) filled with giants boats that look ancients, and near the cliff (where you have to jump from to begin the boss fight) there are a group of EVERY non-hostile animal from elden ring, they are just laying there with the giant boats, I think that this is a direct reference to the tale of gilgamesh where he saved one animal for every species in a giant boat. There is clearly something we are missing here and its definetely related to mesopotamia.
Another thing that I think a lot of people are missing, is that there seems to be theme in elden ring that connects "water" with "death", if a great flood once ocurred in elden ring then it would make sense that the world of elden ring relates those two. The map of elden ring is filled boats in the seas, which could be a depiction of how people first arrived from the giants boats during the great flood, the mariners who represent those who live in death are always found in a pond of water riding a boat, the prince of death giant body grave seems to have a bunch of aquatic animals features, which makes sense if "water" is related to 'death" and lastly, the mesopotamians needed water for agriculture, and thus water represented "life" (which is similar to how marika's tree represents life) but at the same time they feared floods (flooding of water), because it would destroy their crops, I think that this could be interpreted as the duality of water representing both "life" and "death" which would explain the water connection with "those who live in death" and it would also explain why godwin's body is developing aquatic features since he is neither death or alive, but somewhere in between, I still have countless more connections that I would like to share, but for now, I hope somebody was able to develop a theory from this extra context.
Wow, thanks for sharing this. I am pinning this as it provides some really helpful context to the video and Elden Ring's world.
I am afriad I know little about mesopotamian mythology but what immediately come to mind is the eclipse representing an "Omen" you mentioned.
I didnt include Omen (the Omen in the game) in the video as I am still in process of working that part out, but I did dig out enough to connect for you this: The "death flare" of the Eclipse Shotel would flare up the weapon with a black and yellow flame and create an explosion of said flame. The same color of the death lightnting cast by the Lich Dragon Fortissax or the color of the death mist of the wormface or Fia's Mist.
Dung Eater's Omen Armor has a Sun Medalion whose description reads "The heavy, sun-shaped medallion represents both the guidance he once saw, and the ring to which it will one day lead." And the Omen ogres also has attacks that spews out that black and yellow flame of the Eclipse Shotel. This is the only thing I can provide at the moment as the I am still cooking the theory. I will most likely addressing this in my next few vids. But the Omen and the giants definitely has something to do with the sun.
Great video, my friend. Unfortunately, my channel is in Portuguese, but in my first and only theory video, I also pointed out the fact that there is more than one Elden Ring. Additionally, I agree with you that, prior to the Golden Order, it is very likely that there was the Age of the Sun. My video was more about the real form of the Elden Ring, and I pointed that it's not impossible for other outer gods to have their own rings. Btw, your video gave me a great idea for another theory! 😅
Keep de good work, mate!
The Greater Will is not an outer god.
@@specialnewb9821 Is that so? Then why it's Elden Ring came from space? Why the Elden Beast is a cosmic being?
I undertand your idea that maybe it is the god of the region, but it would make no sense since there was another gods wich were worshiped long before the Greater Will... But, if you have an explanation about it, I would like to hear!
@G4MES_Theory it's a bad translation. the japanese version defines what we call outer gods as aspects of nature/reality excluded from the Golden Order.
The Greater Will is above them, it created the reality that the outer gods embody.
An outer god can certainly take over and become the essence of the age, becoming a central part of the Elden Ring, but it's still using the tool created by the greater will. The greater will does not appear to care WHAT order there, merely that there IS an order
@@specialnewb9821 Wow! Gotcha! If the english translation isn't accurate, then I bet that the portuguese version is even worse. I will take a good the japanese version, cuz it's not the first time people tell me about the bad translations... Thanks for explaining your point, mate!
Amazing video and amazing work collecting it all!
I have been having similar thoughts ever since the recent eclipse in America's midwest. An eclipse implies the influence of a moon. To add to the apocalypses you've already mentioned, I also feel that the Shattered stone talisman and Relanna's twin moon spell imply that one or more moons once struck the lands between, possibly from failed (or successful) eclipse ascension events.
Also, The "stars," made out of stone crowns implies that maybe one or more of the moons might have been made from a sacrifice of a very large number of astrologer/scholars.
I forget who it was, Scum mage Infa or maybe Zayf the scholar but someone was going on about a theory of, "cruible technology." Where large numbers of people are sacrificed for one reason or another. According to them there have countless crucible events, including but not limited to all of the nox buildings with frozen people reaching out of them.
Possibly an event like that created a moon for an eclipse. Maybe that is how all moons were made for every eclipse. I can think of at least 3 moons, the dark moon, the full moon and the black moon of nokstella.
I also mentioned in your last video that there was a lot of Egyptian imagery in the game and this new video made me think of more.
Horus was the reincarnation of Ra and the sun and moon were supposed to be his eyes. The sun was his good eye but Set had apparently ripped out his other eye. There are different stories about how his second eye was healed some say it was Isis, others say it was Hathor or Thoth but someone eventually healed/regrew his missing eye by pouring milk into the empty socket. This disappearing of the eye and the pouring of milk back into it were supposed to represent the cycles of the moon.
I believe that the missing eye was at some point buried and watered and from it the first grapes grew. (makes me think of the frenzied flame and the discarding of the three fingers)
So in one Egyptian myth we might have references to the greater will, an apocalypse or wounding event that removed gold from a celestial body, only to have that body be replaced by one that is silvery or milky white.
Also there is a story about the journey of Ra that is supposed to describe the reason there is night and day. In the beginning Ra is born form a holy cow and form there he travels across the sky, sometimes being pushed by a dung beetle, sometimes being driven on a chariot of winged snakes, I believe. His incarnation changes a few times as he crosses the sky until the sun eventually sets and he dies. When Ra dies his soul, depicted as Ra with a ram's head boards a mythical boat/river barge and stars his nightly journey through the underworld. There he has to pass multiple gates and fight of an abyssal serpent. In fact there are many, many different serpents and I think 8 gates he goes through. Mighty Set even kills the great serpent.
Eventually he makes it out of the underworld only to be reborn again with the following dawn.
Your highlighting of the changing of color and the draining of gold and red from things, as well as the descriptions of a sunset all remind me of these myths. Interestingly Set is a hero in one and an villain in another. Which makes me wonder, who might be the Set in the Elden Ring world, Godfrey, Radagon, the Storm King (Set was a god of storms)?
PS: There is an important Egyptian funerary amulet called the, "two fingers, " amulet, that are supposed to be Osiris's two fingers. They were usually placed around the liver area on a mummy and were supposed to offer mystical protection from further decay. Just another interesting tie in.
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I love your content. The only problem is that you only have two videos. Good stuff!
I think I know the solution to this problem. Will work on it!
This is an old write-up now, with some recent updates from the DLC.
Marika is the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen.
- Red and black spike of death impales Marika and keeps her in place when we find her at the end. Only Maliketh wields this power, and only he could even defeat a God like Marika. But he's so loyal to her, why would he?
- Maliketh "defeated" the Gloam/Dusk-Eyed Queen. We know Shadowbound hounds have to attack their former master if The Fingers feel like the Empyrean is acting against them. We play through this reality with Ranni's quest, and both she and Iji know Blaidd will go mad as she enacts her vision. How do they know this happens? They saw/heard of it happening to Maliketh and Marika already.
- Only Marika would be able to guide Ranni to the location of the Rune of Death and how to use it for it to be stolen in the first place to forge the Black Knives. Remember, "Marika... is this what it is to sin?" "Why gull me..." Marika, after all, had only one use for Maliketh in the end, after the other work was done... a vessel to seal away Destined Death. And even then, she betrayed him.
- The Beast Eye is a purple, scratched up eye. It's Marika's eye from being defeated and imprisoned by her Shadowbound. No other Queen or Empyrean is "defeated" but not slain, as the text implies there except Marika. And who but her purpose-made hound could even stop her, a God? The one entity empowered enough by the Ring/Fingers to be able to do so should the need arise.
- Dominula Village is much like the Hinterlands and the Shaman Village. We find a skinning ritual and a Godskin Apostle there in Dominula. We learn that the "festival" is old and tacitly accepted by the Golden Order. The aesthetic of these villages is much the same, and they're intimately tied to Marika herself.
- Gideon gives us a boon in the form of a secret rite known only to him, Black Flame Protection. He is alleged to have peered into the will of Queen Marika, and shuddered at the end that should not be.
- The Scadutree is of a dual nature. So is Queen Marika. When Gold arose, so too was Shadow born. Gold and Shadow exist as necessary contrasts to each other, yet in a God, in Marika, this duality exists in coalesce, or it did once.
- No other characters are named as Queen or Empyrean that aren't already accounted for/ruled out to be the GEQ, and by that I mean Melina, she was given purpose by her mother at the foot of the Erdtree and that means she is a daughter of Marika, not old enough to be the GEQ but possesses traits of both Marika and Radagon. Eye color and hair color are passed down traits we see in game. Well, sure enough, Melina shows us a purple/gloamy eye in one ending. Inherited trait from her mother, the Queen in Black. Marika's eyes are never shown to us, to judge their color.
- Duskborn ending sees Godwyn rise to ascendancy and sees Death restored, with him as the Prince of Death itself. These titles aren't meaningless. Duskborn? The "Prince" of Death? Well, who would the Queen be? If Godwyn is Duskborn, and if he is a Prince, his mother would, of course, be associated with "Dusk" and be a Queen. And we know his mother is Queen Marika.
- Fia is hooded with a black cloak and comes from some other land. She also helps create Godwyn's Duskborn ending and is Death-aligned. We see Marika wearing black hooded garb in a statue where she also is holding the twins Miquella and Malenia. Her tattered clothing as we find her at the end is also black. She is also associated with the Nox/Numen race and the Black Knife Assassins that come from there as well.
- Statues of Marika in her crucified pose all show her with a flowing black cloth that wraps behind her in almost the exact same shape as the Godslayer Greatsword, which was the weapon or ritual sword of the GEQ/DEQ. You have to pivot the camera a bit to get a good view, but the shape is very similar. Coiled and then open, with one flap slightly longer than the other, same tip design on the Godslayer Greatsword. It's possible that she was propped up by the Hornsent culture and then part of the betrayal was killing other Gods in their pantheon, but what's maybe more possible is as Centered Tarnished pointed out, that Marika culled some other of her "unwanted" children after learning the truth of the broken Fingers and flawed foundations of her Order.
- Godwyn is referred to as the "Prince of Gold" in an item description. If a Prince of Death could have been a Prince of Gold, why couldn't his mother hold this potential as well, even necessarily so? We see from the Death Knights that Gold and Death can somehow synergize even still... Gold and Shadow, born at the same time, same as it ever was.
- Hewg prays to Queen Marika about his given task to craft a Godslaying weapon. Very interesting and specific task. Marika wants a God slain. He mentions "the sheer terror of Her..." regarding Marika. Godskins certainly take an interest in killing a God. Who was their leader? A "defeated" Queen who was once an Empyrean. Marika.
- Raging Wolf Vargram is a would-be Shadow. Wolf imagery is on his armor. He wields the Godslayer Greatsword. The weapon art is "The Queen's Black Flame", of course. A statue of Marika exists in Farum Azula showing her with three wolves.
- Marika learned the secrets of the Golden Order and realized her children would "amount only to sacrifices" as she instructed them. She knew the Erdtree was a soul parasite, and by sealing Death away, she weakened the Erdtree over time. She also had Godwyn buried at the roots of it, knowing that he would grow and overtake them, choking the Erdtree further. As he was, Godwyn was an "unwanted" child since he embodied the Golden Order, and she was a prisoner to it. He would end up much like Miquella would, a caged divinity of some kind. She was likely opposed to the Erdtree and Greater Will/Fingers for a long time, weaving plots in secret until the Shattering. She realized, only too late, that ultimate power has a way of becoming a curse when the truth of the nature of it all is finally revealed.
Just as Marika shined so brightly with her Golden Order, another aspect of her was as deep as the abyss and as dark as any shadow.
You cooking out here in the comments bro.
@@ALaz502 He's not. It's from a reddit post and everyone is posting it like the gospel now. Personally, I think a lot of these could be explained by the nascent theory that "Marika and the GEQ were twins like Morgott and Mohg and possibly stole Messmer and Melina from the GEQ". Like, if we didn't have the Lord of Blood boss fight we could easily assume that Mohg was actually just a piece of Morgott like Margit. In a similar vein, the GEQ might appear to be Marika because we don't see her at all.
@@Yes34sumo There's some very interesting correlations that could reinforce this theory, but it also makes some baseless assumptions in my opinion. Black robes on a statue? How can you tell? What points to Godwyn being her unwanted child? (edit: the ghost outside of the Church of Pilgrimage does)
Namely, Melina's older brother Messmer is a very fascinating link.
> He wields a shadowy, soul-burning fire that is explicitly an aspect of his being, traits quite comparable to the Godslaying Black Flame.
> We never get to see his real eyes as his right eye is plucked out and the left one never opens (like Melina's, curiously), but the Gloam-eyed Queen *does* have a heavy connection to serpents. Messmer has a symbiotic relationship with the Abyssal Serpent, or maybe he just is it.
> If Marika is/was the Gloam-eyed Queen, it would make sense that she would want to hide her former identity by scorning snakes. Maybe Messmer was hidden away in the Realm of Shadow because of this close tie. What reason does she possibly have to be scared of the snake, that it would be the sole reason she sealed her own son away?
some other reinforcing evidence I can think of off the top of my head
> the trailer inexorably links Gold and Shadow, twin aspects that were birthed simultaneously
> Destined Death is explicitly referred to as the "forbidden shadow" plucked from the Golden Order upon its creation
> the God-Slaying power of the Black Flame was lost when Maliketh sealed away Destined Death. (Scouring Black Flame)
> how did Gideon find a Black Flame incantation? "Perhaps the Queen's sorrow was justified?"
> in the Temple of Eiglay, the snake is strung up in a manner similar to how Marika is depicted in her Lands Between statues. (shoutout to Scum Mage Infa in their "True Identity of the Gloam Eyed Queen" video for this observation)
I also had a theory that the original sin was the plucking of Destined Death from the Golden Order upon its creation but that would be too recent of an event in the world's history for it to be original. Plus if that were the case, Miquella would have gone to Farum Azula himself.
Ultimately I think it's certainly possible that Marika is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, but there isn't really enough evidence to say for sure
People need to really think about how many examples of split body/split soul things are going on with demi gods and Empyreans. Hell even D, a Tarnished, has a split body. We see Melanias "daughters" who presumably were born from rot blooms, or their petals, Im not sure but the point is I think Melina is a purposeful shedding of Marikas GEQ persona. The crucible can blend and split life and spirit. The revelation should be that Marika divested parts of herself similar to Miquella, the GEQ being one of those parts.
@@ghotiphoti There is a finger reader in the Nameless Eternal City (where Godwyns body is) that heavily implies he was an unwanted child. The walking Masoleums reinforce this. We do not see the color of her clothing in the statues, true, but we see her in black in promotional images and her baldachin in her bedchamber is the same black fabric we see all over The Land of Shadow thats draped over buildings; even draped over the Scadutree itself.
Well, this Eclipse thing explains all the death-blighted Giants on the mountain...
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Could the shattering of the black moon have cause a widespread meteor shower over an extended time period that caused the flood of molten rock that tarnished archeologist spoke about recently?
The flood that the stone coffin arks of the ancient dynasty, now resting on the cerulean coast, were built to survive.
A flood that banished the eternal cities (and the ancient dynasty) underground by litterally covering them with molten rock.
Oh and then, of course, the age thst followed the eclipse and subsequent shattering of the black moon and the flood it's falling pieces caused came an age devoid if order. The age of the crucible. Ruled by the gloam eyed queen and the god devouring serpent in enir ilim.
Because, what do you think the did with the flesh of the gods they skinned?
Marika usurped the age by killing the serpent and ascending to godhood by creating a new golden rune from her body and the rune arcs from the serpents body and form a new elden ring within herself at the gate of divinity where she was presumably supposed to be sacrificed like so many before.
Very interesting the he has the same idea! When Elden Ring launched I forced myself to stop watching lore videos as i really want to have my own interpretation without the influence of others. A painful sacrifice and decision to me personally and the reason why the theory crafting and essay writing of this video took me over a month.
But yes I mentioned the meteorites of different Astel and the shattered or tumbling moon must have drastically altered the landscape of the Lands Between. What came to this conclusion for me is the resulting meteorites shower that must have resulted in immense level of heat to the surface due to the prolonged and repeating impacts of meteorites.
I have a theory that Ranni was forcefully married to the Godwyn in order to untie families. Maybe she killed him, but maybe they actually loved each other and committed both to the ritual, Godwyn sacrificing himself for Ranni.
If that's true that could make another parallel between running and miquella.
Elden Ring is made of cycles. Both Miquella and Ranni talk about 1000 years long "voyages". And if we mend the Elden Ring to usher a new age, we add a cycle to it. What if each cycle the Elden Ring is comprised of is 1000 years it has existed for. Therefore, Sun Realm Elden Ring has existed for many thousands of years, but our current for only three.
Firstly, great video. I love the way you told this story it was captivating the whole way through and I'm pretty convinced on many of the theories presented here.
The only thing that I'm a bit iffy on is the timeline of things. As an example, we know that the blackflame monks became traitors and abandoned their posts as guardians, and we know that the OG firemonks as a religious order in general were founded after the giants had been slain and the erdtree already established.
This makes me wonder if perhaps the gloam eyed queen was related to Queen Marika in any way and possibly even active alongside her before they came into conflict? Maybe she was her mother or twin sister? Other lore theorists in the community have suggested that Marika may be THE abductor virgin who perhaps stole the children of the gloam eyed queen and used them to her own ends.
Whatever the case, I had this thought while I was wandering the shadow keep earlier today. Who built it and why? Moreover, why is it from an artistic standpoint so dark and well uhh shadowyy.... The place is built like an absolute fortress and it sits in the relative center of the lands of shadow not far from the suppressing pillar and within it is this church district submerged in water? That area looks absolutely desecrated compared to the rest of the place which is fairly well kept by messmers soldiers.
I believe that the shadow keep was the gloam eyed queens original seat of power in the lands between, and this video helped cement that idea for me.
Firstly, it's just down the road from Metyr who likely sanctioned the gloam eyed queens ascension to power as an emperyan. Moreover, it's perfectly within proximity of actual living God's to slay via the hornsents tutelary deities or even the divine animal warriors and smithing "deity" golems.
Furthermore, we even find a painting within the shadowkeep titled "domain of dragons," which the gloam eyed queen was likely the god of, and it's a depiction of the shadowkeep alongside the scadutree. We even find stormhawk feathers in the church district, what an odd thing to find in this place?
Then finally after fighting another God damn ulcerated tree spirit we find an iris of occultation... What is an occultation? It's an event that occurs when one interstellar body ECLIPSES another.
Giving this iris to Jolan the swordhand of night will grant you her sword but not her spirit.
Could Marika have maybe used this device to manipulate the queen into lending her blade to her cause in slaying rival gods such as the fire giants? Would explain why they're all impaled by thorns if perhaps the gloam eyed queen was drawing from the power of the scadutree, and we do find the thorn spells in the shadowkeep yet again but this comment is already long and speculative enough as is.
I love the name of this channel
39:20 😭 the translation thing was unnecessary considering people are straight up wrong when assuming the english translation is mistranslated
Hi haha yes I also considered that. So I also said soon after that "whether she simply left or fled(whether it was minstranslated or not), it isnt going to affect this picture that I am going to paint you."
@@OccamsOnion loved your vid btw tho🙏🏾
There's a lot goin on here, I absolutely love your attention to detail. A lot of focus on very much neglected item descriptions! Especially about the sun symbs, the banished knights, the beastmen and the scattered ruins. You make a lot of satisfying ties between those. You're great addition to the loretubes!
Important note that I don't think you mentioned. The sun (in game) is a colorless white. Like, if you rest at a grace that isn't at Farum Azula (sun there also appears white) and find the sun in the sky, it's white.
12:23 when you are talking about the ruins scattered about, you are the first person who made me imagine the erdtree itself, crashing into Farum Azula as it was launched from wherever the greater will is.
Which would honestly be wild as fuck to imagine that's why there's ruins all over the map like that
I need to try rewatching my video with some weed.
@@OccamsOnion 😎
Idk how did you get there but thx for sharing, it is a great event to imagine INDEED.
2:20 this is a very interesting interpretation. I originally just took it to mean that with the eyes of a dragon they simply saw things far more vividly.
some details caught my eye, I'm curious if anyone has thoughts on these things
1:15:31 who knows if there is actually a correlation and if so what could it be that both metyir and the creatures affected by deth blight spit out these worms
1:09:50 I think it wasn't said in the video, sorry if I'm wrong but the sky when Marika ascends to the gate of divinity is purple on the left, an aesthetic element that could strengthen the theory because purple may be the color of the gloom eye queen
I am glad someone caught on haha. The video has gotten to long for my liking so I decide to use the clips to show some ideas instead. There are more as well so feel pay to watch again and pay attention to the clips I used! THEY TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO SHOOT haha.
The Gloam sky is not intended as its from the trailer. But good catch!
@@OccamsOnion I take this opportunity to congratulate both the director and the screenplay of the video. 10\10 and applause
I've actually seen a lot of videos about Elden Ring lore and your content is definitely one of the best
a tip from a video I saw recently, if you're interested, there's a RUclipsr who recently analyzed some reliefs of some of the gloom eyed queen's equipment,
You might be interested in the analysis if you haven't seen it. I don't remember the content of the video but I had never noticed some details.
ruclips.net/video/t_3HuiEVvP0/видео.html
I had already been putting together some of the eclipse/sun realm/ancient dragon empire stuff in my mind but you've connected the dots in such an impressive way, and connected it to the greater story so neatly as well! Thank you for this!
I really like this channel and I really want you to cover sum more well known stuff just so you can produce more and I can watch more😂 good luck on the future of the channel, hopefully you make the paid partnership program soon💲💸💸
I really like you too. Glad to have you on board and more will come!
Farum Azula situates in a separate time from the base game. The "Last Elden Ring Era" isn't in the past, but in fact being in the future. Note the Miquella's golden hair present on the Ring and the praying boy statue underneath it. The strange Elden Ring is all about the Age of Compassion.
Interesting Idea! But I think it think it would be hard to reconcile with the description of the Dragoncrest Talisman that states "The ancient dragons ruled the prehistoric era before the Erdtree" or that of the Altus Blooms thats hints at the gold before the Erdtree Era. It seems to me the last Elden Ring Cylcle is very much is in the past. Genuinely interested in your thoughts.
@@OccamsOnion The Elden Ring represents the Order, I think it could also represent the Time, which is in fact, a loop. Players die and revive again and again, in different cycles of the "Infinite Time Loop". Quote from Sir Ofnir "Queen Marika has high hopes for us...That we continue to struggle. Unto eternity." Hence the past becomes the future and vice versa.
This interpretation fits well with the description of Memory of Grace "It is merely a cycle."
@@willazeppeli What Gideon Ofnir says isn't cyclical though. He's advocating stasis. No one may take the throne. Apparently the fingers that he's been communing with (Lord's Divine Fortification) told him that that's what Marika wants. The Fingers are not aligned with Marika so I don't believe it to be true, but they did have a motive for the lie which I can't quite grasp. I don't think they believed the cycle could continue. This aligns with Radagon's actions who also attempted to deny access and ascent. He's but a tool of the Fingers.
Maybe they are doing damage control much like Placidusax.
Excellent vudeo, though the frequency of the use of the word "indeed" - as apt as it has been in the cases it was used in - was a bit jarring.
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I thought for sure you would compare Mohg gaining wings from the Formless Mother, with Bayle.
I really wanted to talk about bayle as well. But the scope of this vid has gotten too big for me. I will see if I can bring up him in the next one.
10/10 please post more 🫡
Great stuff. As with much of Elden Rings' lore, it's hard to definitively support or refute, but the internal logic of everything seems sound
While your theory is very interesting (and compelling), my problem is that you discount the English version of events when the writer of the Pre-Shattering lore (G RRMartin) is an American who wrote the lore in English. In fact, vers 1.00 has a lot of English info that was later removed because GRRM's lore-building was explicit. For example, in vers 1.00 it outright states crucial info in the "gift" you can choose for your character. 1, the rune states that Grace inhabits the eyes of the inhabitants of the Lands Between. 2, Miquella created the Bewitching Branches himself. 3, one item states that Radagon KNEW the Tarnished would return and warned the others about it (meaning he knew of Marika's plan to use the Tarnished to free herself of the GW, which is why he locks her away with the briar thorns of Radagon). It is like everyone wants to dismiss GRR Martin's basis for the world. If GRRM says that Placidusax's god "fled" then his god fled.
Edit to add that there are soulless demigods in the Finger Ruins, meaning that the God of Death (and Deathblight) certainly could have existed before Godwyn's assassination. Moreover, the 2nd Dancing Lion has a Deathblight phase, meaning it can channel that god independent of Godwyn. I believe Marika used Godwyn as a vessel for Deathblight much the same as she used Messmer for the Abyssal Serpent and Malenia for the Scarlet Rot.
Hi! Glad that you liked the theory and thanks for watching as well. I guess because I used the different translation as an entry point and has led to a misunderstanding, as I mention soon after that whether the god fled or simply left, it doesnt affect this picture that i am going to paint you. I also purposefully brought up both fled and left throughout the vid as well. Hope this can clear things up!
@@OccamsOnion and I agree with you on many things, especially the idea that a Death god existed before Godwyn. I would encourage you to incorporate the soulless demigods of the Finger Ruins into your theory about Death and the Sun Realm because I think their presence at the Finger Ruins supports the idea of the Death god predating Godwyn and the Night of the Black Knives.
"Born of a corpse" reminds me of Radagon being turned into a sword... it does look a bit organic no?
OH FUCK YOU BEAT ME TO IT GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
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@@OccamsOnion I was literally typing the comment as you revealed that shit in the video.
You absolutely cooked with this!
Whenever I see "cooked" in the comment, I cant help but think of Siegward cooking the estus soup in DS3.
This video has interesting speculation, but I don't think there's enough evidence that the GEQ was Placidusax's goddess (let's call it Dragon God for short), nor that she shattered her Elden Ring, nor that a second Elden Ring appeared.
What I think makes sense in the timeline is, definitely, that the Dragon God had the Elden Ring, that said god was at some point brought to Marika, that Marika took the Elden Ring from the Dragon God to control it and reshape it.
Nothing here would anger the Greater Will or the Elden Beast. They represent order, and all those steps described before still maintain order. True, the different orders might be different, but they all have the effect of maintaining control over the Lands Between. The Elden Beast intervened when Marika shattered the Elden Ring. Not reshaped, not manipulated. Shattered. An essential rejection of the concept of order and effectively a rebellion against the Greater Will.
I think you're right about the eclipse of death, and how that was the end of the kingdom of the sun, but the fact that it was the Dragon God who orchestrated the whole thing seems contrived to me.
Let's look at other possibilities. For example, we know that the GEQ possessed the power to kill gods in her flame, most likely because she imbued the flames with Destined Death. If that's the case, the eclipse of death would've been able to kill Dragon God. Makes sense that Dragon God would disappear or run away, in that situation. The GEQ could've been the empyrean from the eternal cities that orchestrated the eclipse.
Another thing we know is that the Crucible existed before the Erdtree, and was worshipped by the Hornsent. So, there was at least a period between the kingdom of the sun and the Golden Order, where the Hornsent culture flourished. It's possible that Dragon God was part of that worship. After the eclipse of death, and the end of the kingdom of the sun, Dragon God finds refuge with the hornsent because the GEQ is still a danger, having followers even after the destruction of the eternal cities.
That's where Marika comes in. defeating the GEQ and ingratiating herself with the Hornsent in doing so. This would be the "seduction" from the DLC trailer. After which, comes the betrayal. Marika kills the Dragon God, takes the Elden Ring foe herself, refashions it.
None of this requires a second Elden Ring, or the shattering of the previous one. The Greater Will doesn't really care about power struggle for who holds control of the rules of the world, as long as THERE ARE rules. That's why nothing before Marika required the intervention of the Elden Beast. Well, one thing definitely required intervention, which was the destruction of the eternal cities. The eternal cities were a threat to order in the sense that they didn't want to exercise control, but wanted to completely uproot what was there before and set up their own thing, without the Greater Will. The Greater Will doesn't care who wins, as long as they play by the rules. But the Nox weren't playing by the rules.
Of course, this isn't an airtight theory. The Dragon God being "rescued" by the Hornsent is contrived, and there's probably something else going on there, But we do know that the Hornsent worship the Crucible of Life, and that Marika took the Crucible and essentially turned it into the Erdtree. The added symbols to the Elden Ring of the dragons seeing in Maliketh's arena most likely represented the chaotic life forces of the Crucible (which Marika removed because she wanted to eliminate Hornsent culture). Maybe the sun of the Dragon God was giving light and energy to the Crucible? That would be an explanation for who the Hornsent could've helped the Dragon God. But there's still a lot that I need to understand about all of this.
Hope the comment wasn't too long of a read. At least, this is what I got out of this discussion. What do you think?
My God this is genius, I think you've cracked the code. Only thing I might not agree with is whether or not faram azula was always floating, Indeed, It may have once been situated upon the jagged peak.
I am recommending this video to anyone I can who is into Elden Ring lore. I truly believe you have put together the most accurate timeline of anyone so far and is most likely the closest to what GRR Martins original writing for the game included. I would give a finger to get my hands on his writing content for this game 😅
Amazing! This may be the most informative video I've seen on elden ring!
Loved the video! Seeing the link from the eclipse ritual with the previous cycle of gods, layered with the ruins above and below, was refreshing. Can't wait for the next one. You are doing a great and through job with Fromsoft's grandest game World history is a doozy, let alone one inspired by GRRM and Miyazaki.
Ranni is the only person I've ever heard of who stabbed THEMSELVES in the back 😂
One thing I'd like to point out is the apparent connection between the banished knights and the various divine beast warriors of the Hornsent. From their horned armor to their movesets with elements of the storm, including even lightning in commander Niall's case they seem fairly inspired even remnants of their veneration of lions seems to have found a foothold into their culture. What with the frost related abilities those lions that hang around them have they're almost mini divine lions
Could the gate of divinity be devoid of color because of having be exposed to the eclipse? And could the big monument over the shadowtree chalice have been oriented towards the sun? Being a receptacle for the light as it the eclipse shown through
1:12:04 I think marika is specifically taking the rune of life here. Allowing her to birth demigods of her own using the erdtree and erdtree burial.
Finally, an Elden Ring RUclipsr who isnt trying to impersonate a spooky magical british guy. Thank Christ.
I feel like this hits a point in the lands between timeline that hasn’t been explored much yet. I can’t wait to finish the video and see where we end up!
What a wonderful video, I really enjoyed it!! Im very much looking forward to your next ones.
Oh wow! I thought those were roots in the ancient depiction of the elden ring in maliketh's arena but they're the strands!
This... god damn this is GOOD.. I've got a lot of rethinking to do..
......elden ring is and always was dark souls 4 in my mind
I should go play Golden Sun again. That was a great game.
The Caelid death rite bird in 1.0 was gold.
Woah! This is what I want to see here, long and good videos.
chefs-kiss, indeed
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I’m very impressed and I hope this video gets picked up by the algorithm so more people can see it because this is the most satisfying timeline I’ve seen. I can’t think of any anomalous pieces of lore that have to be ignored for your sequence of events and conjectures to work. I think your biggest contribution to collective ER lore theory is the concept of two separate elden rings. You even provided a bullet proof reason for the elden beast to arrive at a point in time that was seemingly AFTER the Greater Will’s apparent establishment of its hegemony in the Lands Between and imposed its order on life and death. I’m looking forward to your future videos!
90 minutes of solidly entertaining, interesting, and throughly evidenced elden-lore. Liked and subscribed, thank you.
Much thanks for the sub and glad you found it entertaining! A lot of effort was puting into the script and editing. Happy to hear this!
Ah the Lux ruins finally click into place 👁
Additionally the shamans eye coverings make sense, especially Marika flaunting convention in her rise to power
Hi! Do you mean the purple eyed Demihuman Queen in the ruin?
@@OccamsOnion no but if the queen there is charmed like the purple eyed ants, that'd be an interesting use of the Nox charm. What my "epiphany" was the idea that if it wasn't the shaman village as a whole who uncovered their eyes, then the founding of the Lux could be tied to Marika's escape/withdrawal from the land of the Hornsent control post jar sainthood/ jarring of her village and marked by the removal of her blindfold
@@OccamsOnion so i went back to Queen Gilika and noticed that not only is she the only Demi-Human Queen to have uncovered eyes, but also is the only one to not cast any spells
This is huge. Another comments have pointed out that the eternal darkness spell that looks also looks like a black hole sucking all up spells. And you see when total solar eclipse occurs there is a moment of complete darkness before the white halo appears..
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Props to you for this video. You're really cooking all through this. Great stuff, solid connections that most haven't seen.
nice video, but what i am surprised you didnt say at the end is what clicked for me as i was watching, i dont know if it is even my opinion or something i agree with but i find it kind of makes sense in this context, so the first shattered elden ring might be literally the elden beast, that is why it is "the" (current) elden ring but at the same it is kind of not, one of the reasons it occured to me was because of the spiral on the farum azula ring and the elden stars icon is kind of like the bottom of it (maybe even extending more down, basically falling)
great video INDEED !
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Good job dude. Great video.
Some really interesting takes some which I'm kicking myself for not having noticed myself so seriously well done great job 👏👏👏👏👏👍👍
Thanks haha. Glad the takes clicked with you!
Great points! Congratulations for the masterpiece! Will watch closely your work, fellow Tarnished!
Please as watch as closely as Gideon would.
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There's good ideas in here, but this would be way better if you didn't just make shit up with zero evidence. Why are most of the newer lore creators like this?
I mean its hard not to do that with a game as heavily analyzed as Elden ring. Either you end up repeating what someone like vaati, smough, or tarnished archaeologist said already, or you go out on a limb on the more vague parts of the setting without too much evidence
@@abimaelmontesguardiola2774 maybe just let those ideas marinate longer?
@nottwo true, hopefully he expands on his thoughts in other videos. I didnt see anything I full on disagreed with, but Im curious what his logic is for a lot of the claims he makes
Hi! Thanks for checking the vid out and am glad you are able to find some ideas that are to your liking. Would you mind bringing up the points that you found "made up", I might able to use it as an opportunity shed some more light.
@@nottwo dude tf
I've seen some creators literally just going off and constructing their interpretation on vibes/themes/metaphors. And, mind you, that's not "strictly wrong", that's just a different way of engaging with the media. This channel constantly presents item description and environmental storytelling, while trying to make as few assumptions as possible to tie this all together. Not only are you a dick, but you're literally wrong..??
Also to mention an Eclipse also visually looks like a Black Hole, Red = Sun while Blue = Moon and we get a Purple Black Hole, ( Gravity Sorcery often resembles a Black Hole)
remember Eternal darkness can suck up sorcery, so can The Moon Sorcery of Ranni and Rennalla, their effects suck up Incantations and Sorcery, like a Black Hole.
Yes indeed, glorious, exquisite masterpiece. Spreading this around. Thank you for the colossal effort getting your thoughts and analysis out, priceless contribution to the community in largely dry times. 💜🫧
That would be much appreciated! Much thanks for the high praise! I guess not having enough time to make it quick enough somehow worked out then haha.
@@OccamsOnion I happen to prefer the longer form videos. They allow for a lot more clarity and continuity as well as structurally cohesive expression of ideas. Definitely will pay off!
I don’t think I have had my mind blown so many times in an hour. Great vid! I’m hungry for more!