I'm in Kansas so don't have record shows. I haven't collected LPs since the early 80s. Sold them off and only collect cds now. I'm in the hunt for cds but finding ones I want at flea markets etc. isn't very promising. Mostly the same stuff. The ones I want are too rare I guess. Instead of 1-2 dollar cds it's 6-12 from amazon or ebay but that's still a bargain really.
Two things happen: There are old guys who pay extra to be let in before the general public and they take all the best pieces only to flip them on eBay or Discogs. and the same crap that hasn't been sold in the past 40 shows are still there. I have also noticed price increases: the $5 and $10 bins are full of shit I wouldn't even take for free. The decent records are ridiculously expensive - so much that makes me wonder if it was worth the trip there. And some jerks refuse to even budge $5 on a record, so f-- them. In the past 3 years I've been leaving after spending 4 hours there with nothing, and I felt good. Better to leave empty handed than with stuff that doesn't make you feel great.
Very informative vid and as a long time music collector, physical media is the way to go. Heading out to the Orange County record show tomorrow and will check the amount of peeps and various ages. Liked and subscribed.
as a guy that likes vinyl for the sound , the experience, I care not how much my records are worth , I would love to see the peak and love to see the prices drop again ..,
There's no way you can lose. Even if you only like 10 CDs you got more than your money's worth. You probably bought some CDs that you would not take a gamble on at full price. Besides, sometimes you find a great one just by chance. Rock on!
@@Mr.BigSquid I don't agree. I like both formats. But a lot of original records have a better mastering which, to me, makes them better. But I listen to CDs a lot too.
Found you through your visit to the Expo video. Pleased to see your records and collection. Always loved music but never got into vinyl but always considered it. I'm in Hamilton, you must be Toronto area...have subbed and will keep watching your videos...cheers
Thats great 👍 I'm actually already a subscriber of your channel. I like to collect cards as well but I decided to focus this channel more on the music side of things because that's my profession but the cards keep me sane lol I've really enjoyed getting back into that hobby. Thanks for watching!
We’ve always listened to music on vinyl. If we really enjoy the album, we tend to pick up a copy on CD as well just to always have it available, especially in our vehicle. Lately we have been buying “deluxe” versions of CD’s, ie-“Songs Of A Lost World” by The Cure or “The Live Anthology” by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers.Recently, we picked up Rhino Records CD box set of Chicago’s “Studio Albums 1969-1978.”🎧
Funny you mention a “tactile” experience with vinyl, Mike. I still to this day put an album on the platter and sit reading liner notes etc. I am sure that I have read some a dozen times but still am interested in “knowing”. I tend to agree with the cost issue. I have not bought the last 3 Maiden albums because of the cost. I saw a new copy of Shengitzu for 90 something dollars in a store. Maybe it was a special edition but still the cost was ridiculous.
Hi Mike, this is my first time watching your channel. I picked up a copy of that Move album at my local indoor antiques mall a while back, fantastic record. Also someone gave me Moanin' the Blues (first pressing), along with another early Hank record, but sadly the discs were shot to hell, so I am looking for cheap replacement discs for those. Anyway, as far as record shows go, I used to get super excited about taking a day off to go to a show, browsing through bins for three or four hours, and picking up a lot of great, cheap stuff. I haven't had that experience in years. The last few record shows I've been to, I only bought a handful of records, and while I did enjoy the purchases, the "thrill of the hunt" was gone. I used to spend $50 or less and come away with an armful of records, nowadays I spend at least $100 and find maybe 7 or 8 records that I really want. Sure, there is great stuff out there, but Discogs, Ebay and the like have more or less ruined the pricing game for most of us. Also, I DO see a lot of young people and clueless adults shopping for their kids, who have no idea of what items are worth, or don't care. A lot of times I flip through bins and just laugh at the ridiculous prices. I guess the gist of it is that my "in person" shopping days for records are drawing to a close. I still buy both records and CDs, and I never dumped either part of my collection. I was even buying vinyl in the 90s when people were dumping their collections, and in the 2000s when they were downloading and began streaming music. I agree with you that CDs are going to benefit from the next wave of nostalgia. Like you said, there will always be people who enjoy physical media, and I hope the price points will stay manageable or even decrease as these trends (and fickle buyers) come and go.
Really enjoyed your show and your perspective on things. I’ve been collecting records since 70’s. And have my own show as well. Glad I find your show. Take care. And I have been selling off my CDs take care art
I just sold at my 1st record show after years of just doing online sales. I was pumping out common records between $3 and $15. I don't think people are paying $20 for Foreigner, that dealer will have that record forever at that price.
That's good to hear! Thanks for watching. Yeah have to think that but I actually saw it at multiple places at that. I'm in Canada though so that's in Can $
I'm looking for Foreigner 4 on cd. Sold off my record collection last year and had a good copy of Foreigner 4 in it. Can't remember if I copied it to cd. I'll have to look.
Good video Mike. Sorry to hear that the record shows seem to be less popular and I hope that the trend turns around. Also interesting to hear about CD's seeing a bit of a boom and I know some were predicting that might happen.
CDs are rotting more every day. Take 20 of your CD's and hold them up to a bright light. Do you see little pinholes of light getting through them? Guess what, that is what happens to aluminum after 20+ years passes. It is called oxidation. Once you get a few pinholes on a disc it soon becomes unplayable. Disc Rot! The end of CDs is fast approaching. At least cassettes that are 40 to 50 years old are still like new sounding. I have 1st pressings I made in 1980 on Maxell CrO2 tapes that still sound as good as the original vinyl. Of course I used a Nakamichi to record them, but I knew what was needed back then for premium recordings to cassette.
@@AudioGuyBrian Out of all the cds I have (perhaps a 150 or so-haven't counted) I know of only 2 that don't play correct. One was one I bought recently for 2 dollar so don't know the history-only last 3 songs give trouble.
Finding decent used vinyl for a good price these day`s is rare but not unheard of. Paying $30.00 + $ for a beat up grail I bought back in the day for under $5 new is hard to take so the search continues. I still get a thrill from a good sounding cassette and CD`s are still a good bargain at most venues. Nice show Mike.👍
It's the same up here where I live in Canada some of the used prices are going crazy lately. I think it will slow down again cause who can afford $40.00 or $50.00 dollars for a single record .
I despise "Record Shows". Usually there is no sticker on the cover saying what the quality of the vinyl is. And because thousands of people are sliding them in and out of their horrible original paper sleeves to see how good or bad the condition is, the records get a million scuff marks on them. Why anyone keeps records in their original paper inner sleeves is a total mystery to me.
@AudioGuyBrian - you are likely in the minority, as most collectors PREFER to examine a record’s condition for themselves, as opposed to blindly relying on the seller’s grading alone. I know I certainly do. What irks and deters me are the sellers who seal up their records in a sealable outer sleeve, paste their grading sticker on it, and expect you to buy it sight unseen. Nooooooo thank you 👎🏼
@@GroovyPlatters That's why Discogs is 100x better for buying used records. If the seller tells you its a M- and its at best a VG- you give the seller a bad rating and get your money refunded. Good luck getting a refund if you get a record that looks good, but is beat up by a bad stylus and you can't see it with your eyes at a Record Show. When you get home from a 1 day record show and the seller is off to scam people in another state you just lost that money. Seen it too many times to count. Never again.
@@AudioGuyBrian Wow! Never seen, experienced, or even heard of such an occurrence at a record show, that’s a new one for me. But then again, I am personally acquainted with folks who have organized and run the only record shows that I have ever attended, so I know that THOSE sellers are well vetted, and are highly regarded within the hobby for their proven honesty and integrity. I have encountered scammers on Discogs a-plenty, and the recovery process has been nowhere remotely as simple / easy as you would suggest. But… that’s just my own personal experience. That being said, Discogs is a great resource, I have had equally (or more) as many great experiences there, as I have negative ones. 🤘🏼 I hope your experience at future record shows turns out to be better and more enjoyable than what you’ve experienced in the past… sincerely. There are many really great and completely trustworthy ones out there.
@@GroovyPlatters Yes agreed. I want to see the original inner sleeve. Inside that if there is a nagoka that's fine. I never rely on a dealer's grading if I am there I want to check the condition for myself and I take max care when I am doing it. Dealer's wont spend more than 20 seconds on a visual grading but as a buyer I spend 2 minutes or more.
Yeah,well.There's no stickers saying the condition of the records in all 200 record stores I've been to in the last 5 and 1/2 Months/so what's your point,Einstein?
I had a mobile fidelity Fleetwood mac Fleetwood mac album and it was really one of my go to albums to show off my sound system. I ended up selling it for something like 25 bucks 6 years ago or so. Had it recorded to cd so was good but decided to buy a cd of it. Sounds great. Even though that was a mobile fidelity album it had a couple spots (since new) where a piece of perhaps paper got embedded in the groove. Rest of album really low noise but of course cd beats it by a mile.
Love ur hat, I’m an A’s fan! Also, record shows wouldn’t be going extinct if they had as many CDs available as they do records. When u start having more than one of the other, there will be problems.
Flipper dealers get any or all bargains off the newbie sellers before doors open. I tend to change genres to keep ahead of them. If they 're all looking for BOG standard rock and metal, i'll change to soul and powerpop!
There are 2 advantages record shows have over ebay. You can check condition and there are no postage costs. But if sellers are not making it attractive by selling at the full market price - I can see how many will be put off even going.
I go to record shows as often as I can and usually do pretty good with bringing home a few records. I'm not a collector... I buy what I'll listen too and don't care how valuable or not valuable a record is. The problem is too many "collectors" and people trying to make a living selling over-priced albums. I'm old enough to know what records use to cost and of course prices go up, but no way is $30, 40 and $50 justified on a new or used record. Older records will go for what people will pay and that gets out of hand as well, so I just don't buy. I negotiate well and often have sellers tell me they are losing money on me, which i doubt, but if both sides are happy with the transaction, so be it. Like every collectable, bubbles burst, We'll see.
Everyone who lives outside of the Pacific Northwest is so fortunate to be able to attend a record show! Existing here in north Idaho just leaves me hungry for the privilege to go to even ONE record show in a calendar year. Records are NOT popular in this part of the country and had I known this 6 years ago, I would’ve never left Las Vegas!
For sure! I am lucky to live sn hour from a major city which provides a lot of concerts, professional sports etc. Record shows too. Very fortunate. I have one of if not the best record store I've ever seen in my area so that's also very lucky. Good luck with your collection.
I love and appreciate record shows, but can seldom enjoy them due to their overwhelming crowding in areas where the popularity of vinyl is at its highest. I’ve attempted to attend several of them, only to find that EVERY bin had a collector digging through it, and even trying to move around was an extreme challenge. The only luck I had was when I waited for the early hour “rush” to subside, when collectors were done swooping in like a caravan of vultures, finding what they came for, and then clearing out so that “the rest of us” could dig and enjoy in relative peace 🤣
Orpheus is more of a psychedelic sunshine pop group than a hard rock band. Their second album is quite good and not even available to stream. Highly recommend “Mine Is Yours”
I don't think there's any real mystery about the high prices on those common records. The same kind of folks who once would have been happy with a CD copy of an album are now vinyl crazy and of course, sellers pick up on that. They don't see these records so much as "common" as "popular" and they believe that folks will be wanting vinyl copies of these things. Knowing how big vinyl is, they figure they ought to be able to get a premium for those things. Go to the right record store though, that's large enough, that has a glut of copies of these common old albums that are squeezing out space from other records, and you'll invariably see them going for cheap. For sure, a lot of those old records that were stuffing the cheap bins a decade and more ago can still be found dirt cheap if you go to the right store. Unfortunately, even in those kinds of places, the less common, more collectible albums are still really expensive. Also, that Move album is cool...
You know what? Orpheus would actually be categorized as “60’s sunshine pop”…I know my yacht rock, my folk rock and my lounge, and they are none of those in my estimation…However, to each his own and since I am a fan of those genres, I’ll take records like that any day of the week…Of course, I already have a couple copies of the Orpheus album…and Orpheus’ whole discography at this point! “Can’t Find The Time” was their big one and if you dig bands like The Association or The Free Design, you would probably dig ‘em…Of course, I also dig the rock, but my tastes are much more eclectic! At least, you gave it a chance, Mike…However, I would also say that it’s good to be open to other genres, too…I try to find something I like about every kind of music…Oh and the title of your video? Are record shows over? For me, they are definitely not, but my luck is going to the estate sales now…And check the basements! I’ve had good luck searching in the basements of older homes over the last few months! Records, equipment, accessories…I’ve been finding that stuff in the basements at estate sales for very good, reasonable prices…For example, for $2.00, I found a record in a box of 45’s on the Date label from a band known as The Chain Reaction…I thought it to be just another pop record, but it turns out The Chain Reaction was a garage rock/psych band featuring a young Steven Tallarico, otherwise known as Steven Tyler of Aerosmith! Not a bad find for $2.00! And it was Steven’s first professional recording from 1966! I picked up some other 45’s in the box from 80’s artists like Chicago, Robbie Nevil and Olivia Newton-John, but that Chain Reaction 45’ made the hunt worth it! It sells for decent $$$, too, although I’m not selling it…So, my advice to you is to never overlook those nooks and crannies! You never know what you might find if you’re patient! Garage sales, antique shops, bookstores, thrift shops and flea markets can all yield great results, too!
All great points! I'll give it another spin on the Orpheus. Yes, I was out looking today as a matter of fact. Found some gems. I was more just posing the question I guess. I think shows have changed and by the looks of the comments I'm getting it appears I'm not the only one who thinks that but it could be where I'm located as well. Thanks for watching and making such an insightful comment. 👍
I’m 64. I heard this EXACT same argument in the 70’s with baseball cards . “It’s a bubble…it’s overpriced … prices will come back” . They train is leaving on vintage vinyl. The prices on Vg plus and NM minus vintage vinyl is NEVER getting cheaper . Sure, junk like Foreigner is not worth anything now or then , but the classics in great shape ( especially Great Britain pressings ) are leaving the station and never coming back . I’m talking about records in good shape. Like baseball cards , condition is everything
I have about 2,000 LPs. I used to buy quality used records about a decade go for About $5 and under. Those same LPs are now $30. The latest excellent LP by the Cure is a single LP on Amazon for $60. It’s now time to just enjoy what I have and use Spotify more. No bitterness. It’s just reality.
I quit months ago. It’s too expensive. Honestly, once I invested in my stereo more instead of wasting money on vinyl I realized that streaming is actually amazing. Completely blows vinyl away.
quite simple really , I will not pay 50 bucks for Dark Side Of The Moon with a scuff mark on side B .., it is getting insane .., rather go to my trusted record store where I know the owner for the past 30 years and he hooks me up and never rips me off ..,
I think and not sure , but I have seen in the past many 20 to 30 year olds who want the album that Dad had , the Floyd , the Zepp , the Stones , and they are the ones paying the 20 to 50 ,
Folks used to get deals at record shows, now they’re basically mini stores with regular market pricing. The whole vinyl fad is dying, when mainly middle aged dudes are your largest demographic, it ain’t cool no more.
I'll tell you why the prices are so high, it's because the people selling them don't know what they are not worth. They weren't even born yet when they were released. I am 60 yrs old not 16. TEENAGE WASTELAND!!!
Ah...... The "record show"...probably not much has changed. Typically a dumping ground for a lot of e-bay rejects and slow movers... but if Bay City Rollers and Three Dog Night records are on you want list....go for it.
My two cents : 1. The "Record Shows" , have been dead for a least 10 years now for a lot of the reasons you state and more. Dumping ground for stuff they can't sell online or to their regulars. When they do early birds , all the decent stuff , is gone in 5 mins and the rest of the day most dealers are catching flies. 2. Pure $$$$ greed for essentially LP's as common as dirt. To much over saturation. 3. Reissues have killed the originals market. Why pay that $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for a original Hank Mobley , when you can get Tone Poem for $50 ? (Which some will argue is just as good if not better) 4. Older collector's already have the items that they are asking $$$$ for and younger ones will not pay these crazy prices . 5. Same observation here. No new blood, all Boomers and X Gen for the most part. 6. Even all the "Thrift" stores have gotten in on the act and now charging stupid money for some things. Michael Jacksons "Thriller" for $40 anyone ? 7. CD collector thing has been going for awhile now here. It is just a cheaper avenue for people to veer off into before that one falls off a cliff also.
Living in the Minneapolis area I have attended just a handful of shows. Mainly because while I don't mind paying an admission fee, the prices are always, for the most part, quite a bit higher than local stores or online. Yes I have found a couple of good deals but it just doesn't warrant the drive time, admission fee and not finding anything I like. A perfect example is someone had Van Halen's 5150 at a show and it was $50. I found it about six months later at a local used record store and it was $25. While I can't speak to the condition of the seller at the show, the condition at the store was graded and sounds great.
Cheapo Records in Minneapolis syphoned/smurfed all the product out of the metro area over the last 40 years.....MPLS record shows are tepid at best....For a real record show experience....Chicago and Detroit.......score like a mofo in these relatively unsaturated markets.
Unfortunately, the former Beatle recorded only one stellar album and that was 1973’s “Ringo” as it included three hit singles and featured contributions by the other three former Beatles. This album was often referred to as the “closest thing to a Beatles reunion”.
The problem with our local monthly record show is that it's mostly the same dealers selling the same records.
That's definitely a common issue.
I'm in Kansas so don't have record shows. I haven't collected LPs since the early 80s. Sold them off and only collect cds now. I'm in the hunt for cds but finding ones I want at flea markets etc. isn't very promising. Mostly the same stuff. The ones I want are too rare I guess. Instead of 1-2 dollar cds it's 6-12 from amazon or ebay but that's still a bargain really.
I agree.
It's the same dealers that dont buy much new stuff. Some do. But I swear some dealers have had the same exact records they did 5 years ago
Two things happen: There are old guys who pay extra to be let in before the general public and they take all the best pieces only to flip them on eBay or Discogs. and the same crap that hasn't been sold in the past 40 shows are still there. I have also noticed price increases: the $5 and $10 bins are full of shit I wouldn't even take for free. The decent records are ridiculously expensive - so much that makes me wonder if it was worth the trip there. And some jerks refuse to even budge $5 on a record, so f-- them. In the past 3 years I've been leaving after spending 4 hours there with nothing, and I felt good. Better to leave empty handed than with stuff that doesn't make you feel great.
You nailed it. 👏
PREACH!!!!!
Exactly! No one wants to leave feeling burned, sometimes just negotiating that lonely $5 can make a big difference
Exactly.
Around Pittsburgh, PA there is enough record booths in the Antique malls that I don’t need to bother with shows.
Very informative vid and as a long time music collector, physical media is the way to go. Heading out to the Orange County record show tomorrow and will check the amount of peeps and various ages. Liked and subscribed.
Thanks for watching and good luck at the show!
as a guy that likes vinyl for the sound , the experience, I care not how much my records are worth , I would love to see the peak and love to see the prices drop again ..,
My local library eliminated CDs from their shelves and sold them at their book sale for $8.00 a bag. I got 110 cds in the bag plus a book.
CD on a proper system completely blow vinyl away. Way cheaper too. Also, same goes for streaming.
There's no way you can lose. Even if you only like 10 CDs you got more than your money's worth. You probably bought some CDs that you would not take a gamble on at full price. Besides, sometimes you find a great one just by chance. Rock on!
@@Mr.BigSquid I don't agree. I like both formats. But a lot of original records have a better mastering which, to me, makes them better. But I listen to CDs a lot too.
Found you through your visit to the Expo video. Pleased to see your records and collection. Always loved music but never got into vinyl but always considered it. I'm in Hamilton, you must be Toronto area...have subbed and will keep watching your videos...cheers
Thats great 👍 I'm actually already a subscriber of your channel. I like to collect cards as well but I decided to focus this channel more on the music side of things because that's my profession but the cards keep me sane lol I've really enjoyed getting back into that hobby. Thanks for watching!
@@mikesrockinrelics well thx for subbing...going to have a blast catching up on your videos.
I've attended that show in the past, driving up from Tacoma, WA. Always enjoyed it. Many people have been fooled by that Orpheus album.😆
We’ve always listened to music on vinyl. If we really enjoy the album, we tend to pick up a copy on CD as well just to always have it available, especially in our vehicle. Lately we have been buying “deluxe” versions of CD’s, ie-“Songs Of A Lost World” by The Cure or “The Live Anthology” by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers.Recently, we picked up Rhino Records CD box set of Chicago’s “Studio Albums 1969-1978.”🎧
Funny you mention a “tactile” experience with vinyl, Mike. I still to this day put an album on the platter and sit reading liner notes etc. I am sure that I have read some a dozen times but still am interested in “knowing”.
I tend to agree with the cost issue. I have not bought the last 3 Maiden albums because of the cost. I saw a new copy of Shengitzu for 90 something dollars in a store. Maybe it was a special edition but still the cost was ridiculous.
Yes, many collectors I'm talking to these days are sharing the same frustrations with the costs.
Hi Mike, this is my first time watching your channel. I picked up a copy of that Move album at my local indoor antiques mall a while back, fantastic record. Also someone gave me Moanin' the Blues (first pressing), along with another early Hank record, but sadly the discs were shot to hell, so I am looking for cheap replacement discs for those. Anyway, as far as record shows go, I used to get super excited about taking a day off to go to a show, browsing through bins for three or four hours, and picking up a lot of great, cheap stuff. I haven't had that experience in years. The last few record shows I've been to, I only bought a handful of records, and while I did enjoy the purchases, the "thrill of the hunt" was gone. I used to spend $50 or less and come away with an armful of records, nowadays I spend at least $100 and find maybe 7 or 8 records that I really want. Sure, there is great stuff out there, but Discogs, Ebay and the like have more or less ruined the pricing game for most of us. Also, I DO see a lot of young people and clueless adults shopping for their kids, who have no idea of what items are worth, or don't care. A lot of times I flip through bins and just laugh at the ridiculous prices. I guess the gist of it is that my "in person" shopping days for records are drawing to a close. I still buy both records and CDs, and I never dumped either part of my collection. I was even buying vinyl in the 90s when people were dumping their collections, and in the 2000s when they were downloading and began streaming music. I agree with you that CDs are going to benefit from the next wave of nostalgia. Like you said, there will always be people who enjoy physical media, and I hope the price points will stay manageable or even decrease as these trends (and fickle buyers) come and go.
Thanks for checking out my video and writing such an insightful comment. 👍
Really enjoyed your show and your perspective on things. I’ve been collecting records since 70’s. And have my own show as well. Glad I find your show. Take care. And I have been selling off my CDs take care art
Thanks! I'll check out your channel and Subscribe.
I just sold at my 1st record show after years of just doing online sales. I was pumping out common records between $3 and $15. I don't think people are paying $20 for Foreigner, that dealer will have that record forever at that price.
That's good to hear! Thanks for watching. Yeah have to think that but I actually saw it at multiple places at that. I'm in Canada though so that's in Can $
I'm looking for Foreigner 4 on cd. Sold off my record collection last year and had a good copy of Foreigner 4 in it. Can't remember if I copied it to cd. I'll have to look.
Good video Mike. Sorry to hear that the record shows seem to be less popular and I hope that the trend turns around. Also interesting to hear about CD's seeing a bit of a boom and I know some were predicting that might happen.
Thanks! Yeah I think it will start ramping up with cds.
CDs are rotting more every day. Take 20 of your CD's and hold them up to a bright light. Do you see little pinholes of light getting through them? Guess what, that is what happens to aluminum after 20+ years passes. It is called oxidation. Once you get a few pinholes on a disc it soon becomes unplayable. Disc Rot! The end of CDs is fast approaching. At least cassettes that are 40 to 50 years old are still like new sounding. I have 1st pressings I made in 1980 on Maxell CrO2 tapes that still sound as good as the original vinyl. Of course I used a Nakamichi to record them, but I knew what was needed back then for premium recordings to cassette.
@@AudioGuyBrian Out of all the cds I have (perhaps a 150 or so-haven't counted) I know of only 2 that don't play correct. One was one I bought recently for 2 dollar so don't know the history-only last 3 songs give trouble.
Finding decent used vinyl for a good price these day`s is rare but not unheard of. Paying $30.00 + $ for a beat up grail I bought back in the day for under $5 new is hard to take so the search continues. I still get a thrill from a good sounding cassette and CD`s are still a good bargain at most venues. Nice show Mike.👍
Agreed! Thanks for watching.
It's the same up here where I live in Canada some of the used prices are going crazy lately. I think it will slow down again cause who can afford $40.00 or $50.00 dollars for a single record .
Agreed, actually I live near Toronto so I'm Canadian as well!
I despise "Record Shows". Usually there is no sticker on the cover saying what the quality of the vinyl is. And because thousands of people are sliding them in and out of their horrible original paper sleeves to see how good or bad the condition is, the records get a million scuff marks on them. Why anyone keeps records in their original paper inner sleeves is a total mystery to me.
@AudioGuyBrian - you are likely in the minority, as most collectors PREFER to examine a record’s condition for themselves, as opposed to blindly relying on the seller’s grading alone. I know I certainly do. What irks and deters me are the sellers who seal up their records in a sealable outer sleeve, paste their grading sticker on it, and expect you to buy it sight unseen. Nooooooo thank you 👎🏼
@@GroovyPlatters That's why Discogs is 100x better for buying used records. If the seller tells you its a M- and its at best a VG- you give the seller a bad rating and get your money refunded. Good luck getting a refund if you get a record that looks good, but is beat up by a bad stylus and you can't see it with your eyes at a Record Show. When you get home from a 1 day record show and the seller is off to scam people in another state you just lost that money. Seen it too many times to count. Never again.
@@AudioGuyBrian Wow! Never seen, experienced, or even heard of such an occurrence at a record show, that’s a new one for me. But then again, I am personally acquainted with folks who have organized and run the only record shows that I have ever attended, so I know that THOSE sellers are well vetted, and are highly regarded within the hobby for their proven honesty and integrity. I have encountered scammers on Discogs a-plenty, and the recovery process has been nowhere remotely as simple / easy as you would suggest. But… that’s just my own personal experience. That being said, Discogs is a great resource, I have had equally (or more) as many great experiences there, as I have negative ones. 🤘🏼
I hope your experience at future record shows turns out to be better and more enjoyable than what you’ve experienced in the past… sincerely. There are many really great and completely trustworthy ones out there.
@@GroovyPlatters Yes agreed. I want to see the original inner sleeve. Inside that if there is a nagoka that's fine. I never rely on a dealer's grading if I am there I want to check the condition for myself and I take max care when I am doing it. Dealer's wont spend more than 20 seconds on a visual grading but as a buyer I spend 2 minutes or more.
Yeah,well.There's no stickers saying the condition of the records in all 200 record stores I've been to in the last 5 and 1/2
Months/so what's your point,Einstein?
Save the LP record show last week in beaverton ore was one of the best I have worked at.
I had a mobile fidelity Fleetwood mac Fleetwood mac album and it was really one of my go to albums to show off my sound system. I ended up selling it for something like 25 bucks 6 years ago or so. Had it recorded to cd so was good but decided to buy a cd of it. Sounds great. Even though that was a mobile fidelity album it had a couple spots (since new) where a piece of perhaps paper got embedded in the groove. Rest of album really low noise but of course cd beats it by a mile.
Love ur hat, I’m an A’s fan! Also, record shows wouldn’t be going extinct if they had as many CDs available as they do records. When u start having more than one of the other, there will be problems.
Flipper dealers get any or all bargains off the newbie sellers before doors open. I tend to change genres to keep ahead of them. If they 're all looking for BOG standard rock and metal, i'll change to soul and powerpop!
There are 2 advantages record shows have over ebay. You can check condition and there are no postage costs. But if sellers are not making it attractive by selling at the full market price - I can see how many will be put off even going.
Good points. Thanks for watching.
The problem is that has become expensive as hell. The prices is totaly fucked up these days....
I go to record shows as often as I can and usually do pretty good with bringing home a few records. I'm not a collector... I buy what I'll listen too and don't care how valuable or not valuable a record is. The problem is too many "collectors" and people trying to make a living selling over-priced albums. I'm old enough to know what records use to cost and of course prices go up, but no way is $30, 40 and $50 justified on a new or used record. Older records will go for what people will pay and that gets out of hand as well, so I just don't buy. I negotiate well and often have sellers tell me they are losing money on me, which i doubt, but if both sides are happy with the transaction, so be it. Like every collectable, bubbles burst, We'll see.
Everyone who lives outside of the Pacific Northwest is so fortunate to be able to attend a record show! Existing here in north Idaho just leaves me hungry for the privilege to go to even ONE record show in a calendar year. Records are NOT popular in this part of the country and had I known this 6 years ago, I would’ve never left Las Vegas!
For sure! I am lucky to live sn hour from a major city which provides a lot of concerts, professional sports etc. Record shows too. Very fortunate. I have one of if not the best record store I've ever seen in my area so that's also very lucky. Good luck with your collection.
I love and appreciate record shows, but can seldom enjoy them due to their overwhelming crowding in areas where the popularity of vinyl is at its highest. I’ve attempted to attend several of them, only to find that EVERY bin had a collector digging through it, and even trying to move around was an extreme challenge. The only luck I had was when I waited for the early hour “rush” to subside, when collectors were done swooping in like a caravan of vultures, finding what they came for, and then clearing out so that “the rest of us” could dig and enjoy in relative peace 🤣
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Orpheus is more of a psychedelic sunshine pop group than a hard rock band. Their second album is quite good and not even available to stream. Highly recommend “Mine Is Yours”
I don't think there's any real mystery about the high prices on those common records. The same kind of folks who once would have been happy with a CD copy of an album are now vinyl crazy and of course, sellers pick up on that. They don't see these records so much as "common" as "popular" and they believe that folks will be wanting vinyl copies of these things. Knowing how big vinyl is, they figure they ought to be able to get a premium for those things. Go to the right record store though, that's large enough, that has a glut of copies of these common old albums that are squeezing out space from other records, and you'll invariably see them going for cheap. For sure, a lot of those old records that were stuffing the cheap bins a decade and more ago can still be found dirt cheap if you go to the right store. Unfortunately, even in those kinds of places, the less common, more collectible albums are still really expensive.
Also, that Move album is cool...
You know what? Orpheus would actually be categorized as “60’s sunshine pop”…I know my yacht rock, my folk rock and my lounge, and they are none of those in my estimation…However, to each his own and since I am a fan of those genres, I’ll take records like that any day of the week…Of course, I already have a couple copies of the Orpheus album…and Orpheus’ whole discography at this point! “Can’t Find The Time” was their big one and if you dig bands like The Association or The Free Design, you would probably dig ‘em…Of course, I also dig the rock, but my tastes are much more eclectic! At least, you gave it a chance, Mike…However, I would also say that it’s good to be open to other genres, too…I try to find something I like about every kind of music…Oh and the title of your video? Are record shows over? For me, they are definitely not, but my luck is going to the estate sales now…And check the basements! I’ve had good luck searching in the basements of older homes over the last few months! Records, equipment, accessories…I’ve been finding that stuff in the basements at estate sales for very good, reasonable prices…For example, for $2.00, I found a record in a box of 45’s on the Date label from a band known as The Chain Reaction…I thought it to be just another pop record, but it turns out The Chain Reaction was a garage rock/psych band featuring a young Steven Tallarico, otherwise known as Steven Tyler of Aerosmith! Not a bad find for $2.00! And it was Steven’s first professional recording from 1966! I picked up some other 45’s in the box from 80’s artists like Chicago, Robbie Nevil and Olivia Newton-John, but that Chain Reaction 45’ made the hunt worth it! It sells for decent $$$, too, although I’m not selling it…So, my advice to you is to never overlook those nooks and crannies! You never know what you might find if you’re patient! Garage sales, antique shops, bookstores, thrift shops and flea markets can all yield great results, too!
All great points! I'll give it another spin on the Orpheus. Yes, I was out looking today as a matter of fact. Found some gems. I was more just posing the question I guess. I think shows have changed and by the looks of the comments I'm getting it appears I'm not the only one who thinks that but it could be where I'm located as well. Thanks for watching and making such an insightful comment. 👍
I’m 64. I heard this EXACT same argument in the 70’s with baseball cards . “It’s a bubble…it’s overpriced … prices will come back” . They train is leaving on vintage vinyl. The prices on Vg plus and NM minus vintage vinyl is NEVER getting cheaper . Sure, junk like Foreigner is not worth anything now or then , but the classics in great shape ( especially Great Britain pressings ) are leaving the station and never coming back . I’m talking about records in good shape. Like baseball cards , condition is everything
Good points there
Tomorrow my final LP arrives via Amazon. I’m retiring from buying records due to the current costs. All good. End of an era.
My jersey might be heading to the rafters soon as well.
I have about 2,000 LPs. I used to buy quality used records about a decade go for About $5 and under. Those same LPs are now $30. The latest excellent LP by the Cure is a single LP on Amazon for $60. It’s now time to just enjoy what I have and use Spotify more. No bitterness. It’s just reality.
I quit months ago. It’s too expensive. Honestly, once I invested in my stereo more instead of wasting money on vinyl I realized that streaming is actually amazing. Completely blows vinyl away.
@@Mr.BigSquid I’ll always love vinyl but I agree with you. Invest in your system and embrace streaming.
Shows aren't over. The general economic mood of buyers ebbs and flows. Also depends on what is being sold.
I will collect up till my last breath
That's fab!
quite simple really , I will not pay 50 bucks for Dark Side Of The Moon with a scuff mark on side B .., it is getting insane .., rather go to my trusted record store where I know the owner for the past 30 years and he hooks me up and never rips me off ..,
I think and not sure , but I have seen in the past many 20 to 30 year olds who want the album that Dad had , the Floyd , the Zepp , the Stones , and they are the ones paying the 20 to 50 ,
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Folks used to get deals at record shows, now they’re basically mini stores with regular market pricing. The whole vinyl fad is dying, when mainly middle aged dudes are your largest demographic, it ain’t cool no more.
Yeah I'm feeling that. Thanks for watching.
I'll tell you why the prices are so high, it's because the people selling them don't know what they are not worth. They weren't even born yet when they were released. I am 60 yrs old not 16. TEENAGE WASTELAND!!!
Ah...... The "record show"...probably not much has changed. Typically a dumping ground for a lot of e-bay rejects and slow movers... but if Bay City Rollers and Three Dog Night records are on you want list....go for it.
Correct. Been like this for time now. It's universal.
Not from what ive seen in the last few visits
Glad to hear that!
My two cents :
1. The "Record Shows" , have been dead for a least 10 years now for a lot of the reasons you state and more. Dumping ground for stuff they can't sell online or to their regulars. When they do early birds , all the decent stuff , is gone in 5 mins and the rest of the day most dealers are catching flies.
2. Pure $$$$ greed for essentially LP's as common as dirt. To much over saturation.
3. Reissues have killed the originals market. Why pay that $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for a original Hank Mobley , when you can get Tone Poem for $50 ? (Which some will argue is just as good if not better)
4. Older collector's already have the items that they are asking $$$$ for and younger ones will not pay these crazy prices .
5. Same observation here. No new blood, all Boomers and X Gen for the most part.
6. Even all the "Thrift" stores have gotten in on the act and now charging stupid money for some things. Michael Jacksons "Thriller" for $40 anyone ?
7. CD collector thing has been going for awhile now here. It is just a cheaper avenue for people to veer off into before that one falls off a cliff also.
You nailed it. Good summary. 👍
Greediness.
Living in the Minneapolis area I have attended just a handful of shows. Mainly because while I don't mind paying an admission fee, the prices are always, for the most part, quite a bit higher than local stores or online. Yes I have found a couple of good deals but it just doesn't warrant the drive time, admission fee and not finding anything I like.
A perfect example is someone had Van Halen's 5150 at a show and it was $50. I found it about six months later at a local used record store and it was $25. While I can't speak to the condition of the seller at the show, the condition at the store was graded and sounds great.
Yeah the show prices seem inflated.
Cheapo Records in Minneapolis syphoned/smurfed all the product out of the metro area over the last 40 years.....MPLS record shows are tepid at best....For a real record show experience....Chicago and Detroit.......score like a mofo in these relatively unsaturated markets.
Too many unsold Ringo Starr records have flooded the used LP and CD market.
Lol yes.
Unfortunately, the former Beatle recorded only one stellar album and that was 1973’s “Ringo” as it included three hit singles and featured contributions by the other three former Beatles. This album was often referred to as the “closest thing to a Beatles reunion”.
@@kingelvis1956 Goodnight Vienna was a good followup IMO, pretty much the same formula as the Ringo 1973 album.