If the last roof was installed after the code updated to require the current nailing pattern AND it passed inspection with the AHJ (easy to confirm), then it can be assumed. Otherwise, there must be a better solution that forcing thousands of dollars in new wood and labor.
Exactly what I was thinking. If it was previously approved then it makes no sense to do this and make an owner pay the extra costs. It's typical government regulation BS though.
I have never heard of taking something apart and replacing it to check nailing patterns. And putting peel and stick to felt paper does not make a whole lot of sense but code is code I guess..
On a new home, the decking will be nailed properly. The peel & stick (Self Adhered Membrane SAM) should be applied to the deck. A synthetic underlayment, or felt can be installed on TOP of the SAM so that the shingles can be removed/replaced in the future. Putting felt directly on the deck and under the SAM is a waste of time. The SAM applied directly to deck will protect the house after the shingles blow off. If there is felt under the SAM, it will blow away with the shingles. Not a problem, until you have a hurricane.
This guy is 100 percent right. If you haven't come across a roof that was previously peel and sticked and melted to the deck, you wouldn't understand. You cannot possibly verify that the contractor, the builder, or whoever installed the correct nails or in the correct manner because you can't visibly see the entire deck. Experience is the key. Roofs with peel stick directly to the deck in Florida last half the time as well. Be a little more open-minded and understand what he is saying here.
What about a strong magnet to check where the decking nails are? Or are there other problems besides the problem stated in the video of not being able to tell where the decking nails are?
Peel and stick has to be bonded directly to sheathing.this man has no clue what he is talking about ..done blame the material if your men didnt nail sheathing properly
He might be correct in Florida but his points are completely useless in northern climates where ice and snow are the problem. Ice and water shield first and cover with synthetic felt.
So in this video, was the peel and stick considered a secondary water barrier as it was applied on top of the felt? On average how much does a secondary water barrier cost, and is it necessary (I live in Central Florida and looking to replace the tile roof in next 1-2 years)?
On this roof the peel and stick was put directly to the decking which meant we had to rip up the entire decking to replace the roof. We put the peel and stick on top of the felt which lays in between the peel and stick and the decking. This adds more protection and also makes it easier to remove the next time the roof has to be done. It can save you thousands in the future.
@@apcroofingllc55 Putting it on felt does nothing dude. Idk where you live but peel and stick is for ice damming. It needs to be adhered directly to the decking to serve its purpose.
@@apcroofingllc55 I call total BS! #1: We have had well documented building codes that require inspection for decades now (post-1980's). This means there would be a record of when the house was built, what codes applied at the time (ie.. nail every 6'' or so) and it would of had to pass inspection meaning that is on file with the city / county. Peel and Stick is far newer that those records so unless this was a REALLY old house, there is no reason to destroy the decking. In addition, a simple test with a magnet in one small area would determine the nail pattern. You are NUTS! (unethical) PS: As someone else stated, laying down felt COMPLETLY eliminates the benefit of peel and stick in a high wind environment (which is where and why P&S is used)... might as well just use old fashion tar paper of synth membrane and save the client lots of $$....hmmm not your game I guess.
This makes NO sense!!!! This is some insurance nonsense going on 💁♂. Peel and stick on felt??? Sure, you can put on anything, but really? EDIT!!!! I just saw another roofer in Florida who puts the peel and stick on top of the felt too! I guess this isn't so stupid after all? What is going on here?
@@flyingfin1729 Needing an inspector to make sure the decking is nailed correctly is asinine. And if you can't tell if it's nailed correctly, just nail it again...?
If the last roof was installed after the code updated to require the current nailing pattern AND it passed inspection with the AHJ (easy to confirm), then it can be assumed. Otherwise, there must be a better solution that forcing thousands of dollars in new wood and labor.
Exactly what I was thinking. If it was previously approved then it makes no sense to do this and make an owner pay the extra costs. It's typical government regulation BS though.
I have never heard of taking something apart and replacing it to check nailing patterns. And putting peel and stick to felt paper does not make a whole lot of sense but code is code I guess..
On a new home, the decking will be nailed properly. The peel & stick (Self Adhered Membrane SAM) should be applied to the deck. A synthetic underlayment, or felt can be installed on TOP of the SAM so that the shingles can be removed/replaced in the future. Putting felt directly on the deck and under the SAM is a waste of time. The SAM applied directly to deck will protect the house after the shingles blow off. If there is felt under the SAM, it will blow away with the shingles. Not a problem, until you have a hurricane.
yup 😂
This guy is 100 percent right. If you haven't come across a roof that was previously peel and sticked and melted to the deck, you wouldn't understand. You cannot possibly verify that the contractor, the builder, or whoever installed the correct nails or in the correct manner because you can't visibly see the entire deck. Experience is the key. Roofs with peel stick directly to the deck in Florida last half the time as well. Be a little more open-minded and understand what he is saying here.
That’s ridiculous
screws are better than nails guys thank you for uplift like for hurricanes thank you
Self-tapping screws with washers built in
What about a strong magnet to check where the decking nails are? Or are there other problems besides the problem stated in the video of not being able to tell where the decking nails are?
Peel and stick has to be bonded directly to sheathing.this man has no clue what he is talking about ..done blame the material if your men didnt nail sheathing properly
Peel & stick on top of underlayment.....makes no sense.
good information
Question, if you didn’t have the same problem on the front and could confirm the nailing, why would this side of the roof be any different? Hmm!!!
He might be correct in Florida but his points are completely useless in northern climates where ice and snow are the problem. Ice and water shield first and cover with synthetic felt.
You can literally check the nail pattern and nail size right through the attic.
So in this video, was the peel and stick considered a secondary water barrier as it was applied on top of the felt? On average how much does a secondary water barrier cost, and is it necessary (I live in Central Florida and looking to replace the tile roof in next 1-2 years)?
On this roof the peel and stick was put directly to the decking which meant we had to rip up the entire decking to replace the roof. We put the peel and stick on top of the felt which lays in between the peel and stick and the decking. This adds more protection and also makes it easier to remove the next time the roof has to be done. It can save you thousands in the future.
@@apcroofingllc55 but but once a hurricane hit florida you want your peel and stick directly over the wood not on felt
@@apcroofingllc55 Putting it on felt does nothing dude. Idk where you live but peel and stick is for ice damming. It needs to be adhered directly to the decking to serve its purpose.
@@apcroofingllc55 I call total BS! #1: We have had well documented building codes that require inspection for decades now (post-1980's). This means there would be a record of when the house was built, what codes applied at the time (ie.. nail every 6'' or so) and it would of had to pass inspection meaning that is on file with the city / county. Peel and Stick is far newer that those records so unless this was a REALLY old house, there is no reason to destroy the decking. In addition, a simple test with a magnet in one small area would determine the nail pattern. You are NUTS! (unethical) PS: As someone else stated, laying down felt COMPLETLY eliminates the benefit of peel and stick in a high wind environment (which is where and why P&S is used)... might as well just use old fashion tar paper of synth membrane and save the client lots of $$....hmmm not your game I guess.
This makes NO sense!!!! This is some insurance nonsense going on 💁♂. Peel and stick on felt??? Sure, you can put on anything, but really? EDIT!!!! I just saw another roofer in Florida who puts the peel and stick on top of the felt too! I guess this isn't so stupid after all? What is going on here?
It is requirement of new Florida building Code, apparently pushed thru by non-engineers in South Florida
@@flyingfin1729 Needing an inspector to make sure the decking is nailed correctly is asinine. And if you can't tell if it's nailed correctly, just nail it again...?
@@flyingfin1729 I have not heard of that...quite the opposite... Are you just making crap up to be funny?
Your wrong. Go right over the old ice and water barrier rookie
peel n stick has to stick on wood thats common sense... why care about roofers that will tear it off in 25 years ? that's ridiculous