Ayn Rand Chairman Debates Patrick Bet-David
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2018
- The Ayn Rand Institute invites Patrick Bet- David to discuss Objectivism and Capitalism with The current Chairman of the Board - Yaron Brook. Don’t forget to subscribe.
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Yaron Brook is an Israeli-American entrepreneur, writer, and activist. He is an Objectivist and the current chairman of the board at the Ayn Rand Institute, where he was executive director from 2000 to 2017.
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This guy started off contradicting himself... his /HER PHILOSOPHY IS AS SHALLOW IS AS MUD HOLE. when you get below his sentence he says in an idea ? ITS NOT PRACTICAL IN SOCIETY! He literally said “THEY ARE NO FAULTS IN HER IDEAS “. And I found five flaws in his first 4 sentences! Lol. These people thinks ,,,”only care & TAKE CARE about yourself and everyone WILL BE BETTER & OK.” The first and most fatal flaw in that bs from the get go is ... what happens when “YOUR SELFISHNESS/SELF INTERESTS CONFLICTS WITH WHAT ANOTHER PERSONS SELF INTERESTS? Then it takes laws and regulations to keep that balance. And they are always going to be a circumstance where one side isn’t going to be happy because it goes against THEIR WANTS. To put it simply is ...these people are as close to figuring out a utopia,as a piss ant is to inventing a computer. Lol. I really like Patrick Bet-David Yiu can tell he knows all of that is a bunch of bullshit. Just like Ayan Rand acted like. “NOBODY HELP ME ..I DID EVERYTHING MYSELF “. And that cane from pure selfishness and total disregard for the people she lives with ,loaned her money. And it’s like a better Philosopher said “WE STAND ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE GIANTS BEFORE US”. And to know what that actually means ...will prove Ayan Rand is nothing but like these other republicans that worship her. They only appreciates and respect those who can benefit them in the future. And after they are done with you (meaning they THINK you can’t benefit them anymore? You aren’t worth Shit and you are a sponge on society. As if they are the total representation of society. Btw. Ayan Rand was a great proponent FOR ABORTION RIGHTS. AND THAT CONTRADICTION IN THOSE REPUBLICANS AND HER SAYS EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR PHILOSOPHY & IDEAS. BECAUSE SEE? Ayan RAND WAS A SELFISH UNAPPRECIATIVE BITCH. AND IF SHE WAS A MAN SHE WOULD BE AGAINST ABORTION. She was only for it because she was a bitch with a chip on her shoulders that happen to catch a break GOT LUCKY LIKE OTHERS IN BUSINESS HAS through MANY OTHER THINGS PEOPLE DID THAT HELPED HER “ before her . She and those others only created a way to BENEFIT FROM WHAT OTHERS HAS ! This guy is a fkn idiot. It’s just he’s too selfish to like trump. Because like Ayan Rand thought ,THEY BOTH DONT LIKE ANYONE THAT THEY DONT NEED AT THE TIME THEY PUT THAT PERSON TO THOUGHT. And what was already done for them can’t be taken away ,so until you can benefit them again? ITS F### YOU ! It’s people like that grey head guy, that is the worlds biggest problems. They only care about what they want right then ,and as far as their short mind can think in the future. They all should be put in a island and let them ponder about “HOW NOBODY HAS DONE ANYTHING FOR THEM OR CAN “.
Ayan Rand was brought up during the worst time in Russia’s history. And it’s normal for people like that to be self centered as fk. And when they finally get freedom,they are in conflict and are intimidated by others. It’s like throwing stray dogs some food that lived in the wild where THEY HAD TO ONLY WORY ABOUT THEMSELVES. AND A PACK OF DIFFERENT DOGS RAISED TOGETHER WILL NOT BE THE SAME. SELFISH AS TO THE POINT OF FIGHTING TO RUN IN A CORNER TO EAT. DAMN. I CANT STAND THSE TYPE OF PEOPLE 🙄😂. They get under my damn skin at the shallow thinking they do. It only works in their mind because the only things that matters is what they think of. AYAN RAND MOOCHED OFF HER COUSINS UNTIL SHE WAS DONE WITH THEM ,THEN SAID 🖕. Lol. And they/HE thinkS SHES A GENIUS?? 🙄
I’m a total capitalist too btw. I just know these damn Kooks aren’t practical and it’s all about them being spoiled & SOOO SELFISH to the point OF ,& long enough in their age/life. They just think it’s a damn philosophy 🙄😂. Because they are so self inflated,they are just too embarrassed to call it what it is. Because these type of people has only re branded what a spoiled child that don’t know about or care about anything outside of what they are thinking. It’s that simple. 💁♂️
Andy Roo And ...little does he know. China has a more capitalist philosophy when it comes to things like NO PATENTS AND NO LAWS EXCEPT WHAT THE SELFISH AND PARANOID GOVERNMENT WANTS. BECAUSE HE IS ONLY THINKKNG THAT SHALLOW. It’s his whole problem on his philosophy. It’s really the Dunninhcrugar effect. It’s when a person thinks they are so smart ,they know everything and won’t except another thought so they don’t even learn wtf THEY DONT KNOW. so they go through life thinking they are a genius. After that it’s about psychological bs then. Not philosophy or economics. Because they have psychological problems. Lol.
Dander Spat Donald trump is only a more flashy version of Ayan Rand and this guy. None of them are about or know anything other than their own self interests. And everything else is about using people,or a byproduct of it. Donald trump will go down in history as the worst president in history. For 200 yrs. or until we get a dictator with more brains than Donald. Because no different,except dummer. It’s just that He’s just got smaller goals is all. And a easier satisfied ego.
Who's read "Atlas Shrugged" or "Fountainhead"?
Valuetainment ✋ Atlas Shrugged. "Who is John Galt?"
I'm going through the fountainhead right now, just finished act 1. It's got its hooks in me.
Normally I just read non-fiction and study philosophy, history, economics, politics.
I made an exception for her. Her fiction shows me an ideal, to be achieved by an individual who tries to stand on principal.
Two of my favorite books of all time.
Atlas shrugged and fountainhead both
I prefer Communist Manifesto
Yaron is killing him. Pat keeps building straw arguments and Rand keeps knocking them over
This guy manages to go through every basic misunderstanding of Objectivism in about an hour, pretty excellent work there
To a religious fundamentalist, any disagreements are “misunderstandings”
Just play bioshock my dude
@@sublimesense7761 GOD is real or do you think you're from some kind of pond scum? Evolution is still a theory that has never been proven. They tried. They did evolution tests with e-coli and yet they stayed e-coli.
@@zironemegeaz I am referring to objectivists
BEST GUEST YOU HAVE EVER HAD
alex krasnic are you from Ayn Rand institute? 😉
@@VALUETAINMENT No. You were challenging, and challenged in return. It was a vibrant and exciting debate for all the right reasons.
So this guy said that the sacrifice Jesus Christ made for all of us (even this dimwit) was evil. That's all I need to hear to know who/what this man is.
@@VALUETAINMENT no. never read her books
@@bluemanchicago9421 you know magic isnt real right?
Thanks Yaron for taking ideas seriously and not compromising in order to be pc.
The value you bring to the table for free it's amazing, keep them coming
Excellent!
I love a healthy debate. It stretches the mind.
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Always some great value content. Like I always say. I’m so glad I found this RUclips channel
Wealthbuilderz TV my man!
I choose a video every morning to listen to in the background while running through my "morning ritual"...
THIS one, made me stop for a bit - and pay attention!
I have read Ayn Rand probably 10-15 times over 5 decades. Intend to pull them all out again tonight after having listened to this... and read them again.
THANK YOU all for putting this together!
Brian Marshall love it. that’s the idea.
Brian , I definitely recommend the nonfiction , which will go a lot deeper and get to the roots of her thinking . What many people do when reading into Ramds fiction for the first time , is to understandably bro g up questions and scenarios “ well what about this or that !” And that’s the extent of their digging before they move on from Rand . Instead , dig further . I had my doubts in the beginning with countless issues . Try Leonard Peikoffs podcasts which are categorised and there are hundreds and hundreds of questions put forward by listeners that Peikoff answers . Try the ayn rand lexicon , that’s extremely helpful .
Thanks! Didn't know about Peikoff... I will do that!
Hello Patrick - Melanie here, coming to you from Kelowna, B.C., Canada. I have only recently discovered you, and here you are having an interview with an Ayn Rand advocate. Your range from philosophy to politics is why I love listening to your podcasts. I read Anthem when I was in grade 11 - I had no idea who Ayn Rand was or what the book was about but it was the smallest book on the school library shelf and I only had three days to read and complete a book report. I was so captured by this book. Then, at the age of 22 I met a stranger who seemed to have a brilliant, curious mind. He told me he had a book for me to read - it was The Fountainhead. I barely knew this person but he must have seen something in me that made him think that I would understand and relate to the book. I certainly did. I went on to read Atlas Shrugged and The Virtue of Selfishness. At the time I was very busy working two jobs and saving all my money to buy my own house. I was raised in a broken family; my mother had been married and divorced three times. Out of six kids that she gave birth to, I didn't have a sibling who shared my father's DNA. My goal in life at that time was to become financially independent so as not to have to depend on anybody for my financial well being. I never wanted to have to depend on someone else like my mother had. I saw the pain and suffering she went through by being in that position - three different husbands and on welfare in between. She had no education and very low self esteem. I was not going to ever be in that position. As it turns out , I didn't get married till I was 54 and I've never had children - I have two beautiful dogs. ANYWAY - during this interview at about the one hour mark your said to the chairman, "How can you be a Libertarian if you say that your philosophy is 100% right?" - WOW - I say that all the time about religion - "How can any religion be right if they ALL say that they are right?" This has been my argument for my philosophy that "Religion is man-mand" - END OF STORY... Patrick, keep bring us GREAT CONTENT!
Objectivism is the best philosophy there is.
Only act in your own self interest, period.
There are always unwritten rules and ostracism as consequences for breaking those rules, etc....
Charity will still exist, because it's in peoples self interest to help others in need.
Wow this just came up in my notifications, haven't been so excited for a new Valuetainment video since Pat interviewed Arthur Laffer!
Los24Lakers I like your taste.
Yaron is awesome!
her books changed my life for the better, always grateful to Ayn Rand
Just a small correction: In that Phil Donahue interview, the woman in the audience says “I used to be part of your cult, but I’ve since grown up and gotten away from it”
That’s a pretty rude insult if I’ve ever heard one. I wouldn’t respond to someone who spoke to me like that.
What an exchange, bravo to both of you! I really enjoyed this.
One of the kind you need to do these more.Great interview n lots of reasoning n questioning made it even more amazing.🙏
Rushabh Nehul 👊🏼
I have read both Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, several times. I still read them, even now, religiously.
They are the greatest symphony's of language a human being has ever produced.
This is awesome. More young people need to hear about Ayn Rand. Thanks Pat and the team for the great content.
Johnny Manning I agree. Thanks.
Best interview yet, Pat!
What was your biggest takeaway?
My family here in the Philippines are big on Ayn Rand. My mom’s name is Dagny. My brother’s name is Taggart, and I am John Galt. I have been exposed to free thinking my whole life. The biggest takeaway I got from this interview and throughout my life is that I’m in control of my life and my future and it is my responsibility to live it to the fullest.
John Galt Siao Emberga THats not Ayan rand’s Philosophy. She only perverted and made democracy SELFISH. They are many people who cane up with and decided those things you mentioned is great. ITS JUST THAT THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTIONED? ONLY TURNED FREEDOM IT INTO TERANY & SELFISHNESS ,just ON A SMALLER LEVEL . Because they had smaller goals ,that is essentially nothing more than Spoiled children with the same size of world view .
Hey Patrick, it would be great to see an interview with different types of views from different people in the same interview, that would be interesting.
Thanks for the refresher. Great debating, Patrick! Never lose reality
I really like her philosophy. I think we're capable of a lot more individual freedom than most people think possible.
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What a great conversation, I’m a huge fan of Ayn Rand and of the many thinkers within ARI such as Yaron. And I have to give you credit Patrick, while you disagreed with Yaron quite a bit, you were respectful yet at the same time stood your ground, that’s rare in today’s world.
The problem is like you said it’s a packaging issue. Objectivists are using language that most people despise, like selfishness. They want everyone to use their definition of these words, that’s not going to happen and that’s why it’s a bad strategy. They have to reframe and use better words to attract more people. Yaron’s attempt to use the word self-interest more than selfishness demonstrates that he is aware of the packaging problem. But he is not there yet, and there is a lot more to do.
They are too intellectual, trying to twist words. Don't know how to communicate with normal people.
I agree, this is a major lack of self awareness among objectivists even tho I agree with the philosophy
21:14 Patrick, I actually just watched what you're referring to here and commented on it. Unless we're referring to different instances, you've totally misrepresented what happened. The woman said that she once followed Ayn's work but, now that she's more educated, doesn't. She directly implied that educated people would reject her work and/or that her work is for the uneducated. Ayn refused to respond to her because she was clearly being rude and not because she doesn't agree with her. She actually clearly said that she'd be happy to answer the question if it came from someone else. To pretend she was digging her head in the sand instead of not tolerating rudeness is wrong of you to do.
It does make Ayn seem like a snowflake though. Super sensitive.
She could have repaid the woman in kind , or not, and still answered the question.
41:15 - Of selfishness
1:00:33 - This is key. Love this part.
Yaron is awesome ! I wish I could see him speak in person.
July and Aug are busy months, now catching up the VT videos back.
My third comment (sorry), but honestly a really great interview. I love the interviews you do.
@23:05 I think "to paraphrase the woman in the audience" she said I don't believe in your "cult" or something along the lines of I was once a part of your "cult" I think within the context of implying that Rand was the leader of a nefarious cult was the reason why Rand dismissed said woman as having a lack of respect.
Great debate guys, big fan of both of you. Keep getting deep in politics Pat, you're good at it.
“A lot of people don’t learn from example because their memory of an event is clouded by ideology.” Not only by ideology but by emotion. Great quote even though I am a Christian.
this was a really good interview ... alot of interesting views ....
Sultan Trader thanks
Always compelling guests. Great interview.
always on point, great content and shit load of value!
Wow, Yaron is all over the map. Keep spreading it man, you're awe-inspiring.
You're talking with all of the best people! You amaze me with every upload man!
Business Crusader thanks
Love this! Best interview by patrick
Good stuff, more people should interview others in this matter. He challenged the ideals without being a judgmental ass about it. Just good healthy debate.
This needs more views
For me it gets good from 0:27:06
I originally came for Yaron. But Patrick... Damn. I hit that subscribe button harder than I'd hit someone pronouncing "Ayn Rand" wrong. Kidding! But you're brilliant, mate. Greetings from a Scandinavian individualist.
Read both. Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book.
I understand John Galt now, more than ever.
I agree with Patrick, most people don't want to associate with being selfish. Acting in your self interest is much more relate-able.
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All of my respect Sir Patrick
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Did Yaron suggest Estonia (26'th min)? Youre most welcome!
Are you Estonian?
I learned alot about Ayn Rand's philosophy but not enough to know it as a workable force in our government today. It was very much worth my time to watch and I admire anyone who is passionate about individual freedom and peace.
"I think that is tragic..." - LOL!
killed it again 😎
Got him good with the Taleb quote. Great interview
I definitely preferred fountainhead. I read it and it instantly became one of my favourite books. Atlas Shrugged i really struggled to get through. But i'm incredibly grateful to have discovered it and Ayn Rand more generally. Massive thanks to PBD and Yarom for doing this and getting the word out there about all these ways.
This was a very good discussion.
" I got mines babe" lmao. But imbuing Atlas Shrugged because of this interview. I have seen the movie but it never crossed my mind to read the book.
This is going to be great. I find Ayn Rand interesting, great for doing the interview.
Awesome debate!
You should put his name in the title, he's brilliant and a big name
Great guest, very interesting.
It's the time of individuation. He's right that individual development needs to be put first. In modern times we often see people policing others and saying they have to do this and not do that. They completely disrespect the individual, assuming that everyone should act the same. That's the collectivism mindset. It's great to come together and that's natural but only when we respect each other's perspectives and stay open minded enough to learn from everyone.
Hello @valuetainment I know this is old but im hoping to get an answer.
Have you studied The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins?
I think its a great piece of literature and i believe in the information he put out.
Do you think the selfish Gene in some way proves that Ayn Rands Philosophy is the natural and most efficient way for the human operate?
Thank you for the wonderful work you do.
Oh, God.
I've been following Yaron previously and separately from the Valuetainment channel.
It's great to see both Yaron and Pat coming together on this.
Jordan Peterson next? :D
Peter Istrate 👊🏼
Jordan Peterson and this guy are way different kind of guys though, for as far as I've seen this video now :P But defo up for Jordan Peterson on Valuetainment
Peter Istrate
Jordan Peterson is over rated bro. his book 12 rules for life is basically admiral McRaven's book Make Your Bed the only difference is the admirals book was way better.
I have a hard time finding people as disillusioned and separated from concrete social reality, as Ayn Randians. This guy's arguments are so vacuous and ridiculous, that watching him utter them aloud feels akin to watching a severe car accident occurring in real time.
@@jazzupthattriad1257 What do you mean "Social reality"? See, that's your problem right there.
Cogent and relevant.
Thanks guys.
Patrick - Great interview of Yaron Brooks. If one explores the limits (think calculus) of all the cultures across time, you will come to understand that limited government is essential for a better society. The more the government expands, the fewer your freedoms. You are seeing and experiencing a growth in censorship by your host site here. The arbitrator of truth is driving away the reason for it's existence . See that people go where they have more freedom, and more choice (Spotify), and where they are treated better.
He read The Fountainhead in 1977, that's when I read Anthem
"Book sales are up" Good. Read ALL 32 of them.
For presidents, how about Coolidge? He didn't screw things up because he mostly just stayed out of the way.
@@clumsyclicker3199 Wasn't that Hoover?
Valuetainment is doing a better job spreading the concept of capitalism than the Ayn Rand Institute and most libertarian and conservative organisation. Keep up the good work guys !
Valuetainment is discovering for you fresh ideas. Dig deeper into guest's channels or postings and you'll be amazed what you can find.
Good morning Patrick
the best thing I learned from Ayn Rand is, "reality is real" accept that, and all else follows.
Great interview. Not sure whether I agree with what Yaron Brook's says, but certainly interesting and food for thought.
In the parlance of our everyday speech and to Patricks point about packaging (which does matter). Selfishness, is not pursuing your own rational self interests. Selfishness is demanding other people do things for you that they do not want to do.
I love Yaron
Has this interview changed your mind on any of your presuppositions on objectivism?
I've been asking that too, in reply to detractors here. They always go off on Ayn Rand personally. They can't touch objectivism.
Brilliant !
Patrick noted that all philosophies have inherent contradictions and asked this penetrating question regarding Ayn Rand’s Objectism. While I am a huge fan of both Yaron Brook and Ayn Rand, Objectivism does indeed contain a fundamental contradiction: while decrying the coercion of the State, both Rand and Brook are not able to make the leap to full voluntaryism, instead relying on the State for defense and to protect property rights. They reject anarcho capitalism (voluntaryism) as a recipe for chaos. For a simple counter example, see Titus Gebel’s “Free Private Cities” where independent cities (example: Honduran ZEDE Prospera) run by for profit municipal corporations grant citizens well defined property rights through explicit contract (vs. the nebulous implicit one-sided “social contract” that may be unilaterally amended/ breached at any time for any reason by any government).
The chairman dude speaks from his heart
Why doesn't the "penny" drop. I've heard this lack of understanding of sacrifice ad infinitum. I seriously don't understand why it's such a difficult point for most people to grasp.
I'll try myself:
Take any so called sacrifice leveled at an objectivist (such as losing sleep for your kids). What's the structure? It is an action on your part for something.
Well what?
The something is something that you want.
What is the action?
It is some requirement on your part to perform an action in exchange for that something you want.
So you're trading.
I'll do this, and in exchange I'll get that.
Value for value.
My kid can't sleep. I want my kid to sleep. I also want to sleep.
Do you love your kid? Yes. Because your kid is a value to you.
How much of a value?
I don't know yet... what's the offer?
The offer is exchange some of your sleep time in exchange for providing your kid that you love, that is a value to you for your sleep.
Well why isn't he just behaving and going to sleep?
Because he is only two years old, not 37. He doesn't know better. And you know that.
So you take into consideration the facts of reality. He's two, he acts according to his nature, and he is a bigger value to you than the sleep you'll need to lose at this particular time in your life.
You're trading in accordance with reality. The reality that he is two and is acting in accordance with reality. Reality demonstrates that your time would help.
So you trade. Value for value.
What's the kid getting? Comfort with Daddy.
What did he offer? He's two. He just is what he is. He is a value to you.
So what are you getting? Seeing your kid at peace and happy, and further bonding with you.
Keep that up over time and continue to build that bond. If that's a bigger value to you in exchange for your time, then think of your time in this occasion as currency.
5 hrs one night of your time currency in exchange for a little more bonding time.
Trading. Value for value. Rational self interest.
Seriously... where's the sacrifice?
Do you want to keep the sleep time and have your kid just sleep because it's convenient for you disregarding reality demonstrating that such a thing isn't according to his nature.
If that's what you want then that is philosophically speaking, the primary of consciousness; meaning reality is not what it is, but what I want it to be... then you're a mystic.
Objectivism rejects every form of mysticism. It teaches among many things, ways to recognise what premises you hold that might be mystical.
Best premises. And stop sacrificing. Care about your values, and learn what are values and why you need them.
the last time i watched Patrick was when he interviewed Robert Greene, so i was surprised when i saw this on my mentions and was grateful for it. well done Patrick with interviewing Yaron and playing devils advocate when questioning Ayn Rand's philosophy.
How about a separation of the news media and the state
Yaron is doing good work.
I fully agree , we can discover the truth on our own, no need to get the guide from religion. Faith is beyond the logic, it's good when you use to improve yourself, achieve your dream. It's bad when you force other to believe in you (religion).
4:00
12:50: Spot on
53:30: spot on about Reagan
Hi Pat, what do you think about Ray Dalio’s PRINCIPLES book?...
A big fan of his book. I had our entire company read his book.
in Donahue show Ayn Rand asked the woman if she wants to manufacture an " incident " or something to that effect
Jonathan Haidt should talk with Yaron Brook.
It’s really simple people that you love in a romantic way you want to please because it make you feel good.
Yaron Brooks sucked the oxygen out of the room when you were interviewing him. I read both of Rand's works which are great, in a perfect world - otherwise the system will cave in on the week links of a society. This guy drive me nuts with his speaking style. You were very polite and gentlemanly - much more then I would have been. A retired teacher.
Yaron killed it What is so difficult about separating the state from the economy
Those are ideas
Yaron on fire. Even if he is being interrupted constantly.
Yaron is the better thinker but damn Patrick Bet-David better salesman of capitalism.
I really think like this now. Like a light bulb went off. Can't give your bricks away until your house is built. +15% mark up
Dayum both wise man fearfullly against each other.
is like survive
Free Market creates free people - Ayn Rand
Guys, get a COMPRESSOR on your MIKES!!!
Any idea what it takes to be a first sergeant ? You have to be the best of the best who are not officers. The General of the non comms.
40:00 I was not expecting sex education from Yaron Brook, but I'll take it, it's good advice.