Game Developer Sued By IKEA
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"this is really scary for any indie developer"
Indie groups that parody Nintendo: "I know no such weakness"
Except if it reaches mainstream, then they will panic
@@lvixxepic3940 yep. The constant struggles of getting the game's name out there without it becoming _too_ well known
At least super mario 63 still exists
@@fv2536 Nintendo: Write that down Write that down
@@fv2536 Best mario Fan Game of all time
The envoirment looks like IKEA because the game is based on SCP-3008 wich is an infinite IKEA with monsters inside.
One of the more interesting SCP.
Still use pivot?
Yes but isn't there an scp 3008 game which actually uses the IKEA brand tho?
Maybe the real monsters are the IKEA owners :o
@@ilikespagett1514 pretty sure there is, yeah
“What are ya gonna do? Put me in prison?”
Nope. We gonna lock you in IKEA for life.
same thing
@@Spark_VR1 Even worse
@@sophiatheczech1918 What's worse is working in IKEA for life.
Ikea is gonna sell him a Build-a-prison set from ikea, so he will have to make his own prison cell
this also happened to me
Should take the IKEA approach, and have players assemble furniture themselves through Steam Workshop.
Unironically a good idea.
i guess you want to get sued,lol
lol yeah
this will be a vr game at one point. it will suck ass
replace all of the textures by some random 3d models make it easy to mod and let every one know about the mod
the worst part is ikea would lose if this went to court but they are leaning on the fact that the dev doesnt have the resources to actually go to court. when justice is a privilege reserved for the rich our system is broken. i mean what the hell do we pay so many damn taxes for?
Fax
Taxes are to keep the poor, poor.
@@MrEdrftgyuji and the rich, rich
@@orbit1894 Only the billionaires though. They don't want anyone to overtake them in wealth.
yeah i mean you literally have to pay thousands just for a little justice
It sucks for the developer for sure, but I think there is a very large silver lining: IKEA just brought the game to prominence! (There is even a term for this kind of stupidity: the Streisand Effect!) How many more folks heard of this game and might now play it just to spite IKEA? Sure, this developer has the "legal" side of the case, but it won't ever reach a courtroom as that isn't how things are set up; IKEA will bleed the developer dry with delay after delay rather than be forced to admit in court they themselves violated copyright law with a false claim.
The problem for IKEA is they failed the Ian Malcolm test: just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do it! Was this a little too close to IKEA branding? Probably. Would it have affected their sales in any way or caused confusion in the minds of consumers, thinking they somehow are associated with an indie developer making a horror game? Of course not! The risks to IKEA were immaterial. (I'm not a lawyer but pretty sure even under trademark law, this would be obviously seen as parody and not require IKEA to fight to "protect" their trademark.) Instead, they acted like bullies and harmed their reputation more than any "confusion" this game would have caused.
ah yes good old "Streisand Effect" i heard a lot about it but rarely got to see it
albo bruh companies are way too protective over things they don't even own sometimes
I remember when Nintendo did it with an almost abandonware porn game and the game skyrocketed in popularity
@@Draxzz. XDDDDDDDDDDDD
While I agree with the rest of your comment, this wouldn't be a case of "Streisand Effect." Ikea's goal was not to keep this information from getting out, but trying to show that they are not associated with the indie's product. That is a very part of the "Streisand Effect," the attempt to suppress information. Instead, Ikea wants it know that they aren't a part of it and will express themselves to show that.
I hadn't heard of this game till i sae this video so it at least worked for me
Yeah, this is clearly something that falls under parody laws. If someone can make a coffee shop called fake starbucks and decorate it like a starbucks and be protected then this guy can make an scp game with an ikea spoof. If they actually went to court they'd lose.
it shouldn’t count towards a copyright since it’s not a real chair. it’s like trying to sue someone because they recreated a building in minecraft
@@GeneralLDS wich has already happened btw
@@CollCaz-2 do you mean the build he earth "lawsuit"? thatnever happened and it was juet a troll o the likes of "my dad wors for roblox"
the truth is as an individual vs a company whether hes in the right or not fighting in court costs money and it can often just be a war of attrition lol
Fellow Nathan For You watcher?
Bro, this 100% should be protected under parody law. Hope they fight back, because they *should* win that suit.
nah, they'll get swallowed by the all money it would require to go to a court battle with a big corpo like IKEA. court fees and shit. I am sure IKEA could simply drag out the process till this dev runs out of money and gives up
@@ergohash2517 exactly it is a bad precedent in all accounts
They should but they won’t. IKEA has an army of lawyers that can find legal loopholes for any situation. Besides the fact that going to court costs half a million dollars normally.
Protected under who's law, the US? Remember that the world comprised of multiple countries each having their own copyright law. Nintendo for example shut down some hardware modding using Japanese law.
what parody law? that only exists in America
Unfortunately, they won't go to court because IKEA knows they couldn't win. Instead they'll just make a case and push the court date back until the indie dev runs out of money (which is actually illegal to do, but it's hard to prove that it's what someone is doing)
They'll probably keep this up until either they are caught or the dev starves to death
I don't understand how meddling in the date of the case is not obstruction of justice, this world is insane
This is why we need a french revolution style event so rid society and the government of corruption
Why don't you just say you support art theft.
@@pomelo9518 well, they don't get funding and they can't do dev stuff, and would need a new job
"the furniture looks like ikea furniture"
The furniture: * is a stock furniture asset *
In all fairness....isn't that Ikea furniture?
It's almost as if faceless corporations aren't kind hearted.
Noooo... Whaaaaaat???? Every company who's ultimate goal at the end of the day is to make more money DOESN'T have the best interest at heart for anyone other than themselves? HUhhhHHHhH??1?
@@mayanightstar How does this make Ikea _less_ money. Please elaborate
As faceless as the employees in the scp
@@breakfast7595 yeah, poor move on IKEA’s part. Would have been in their best interest not to get the bad press. They just lost a customer from me. Which is nice about the free market because I don’t need IKEA.
As others have pointed out, it's a bit strange they would go after this specific game dev considering that there are a lot of other games with the same premise.
First one that comes to mind is the Roblox version "3008 [2.71]" with a staggering 1.1B+ VISITS and over 15k+ online players at the time of writing.
The furniture is probably stolen from IKEA, but not in the roblox game.
Meanwhile Escape From Tarkov's ikea get away free
Yeah thats the first thing that came to mind aswell this is practically ilegall for them to make these depands.
well it's a roblox game of course
not gonna lie 3008 looks better than the game IKEA is suing.
Did IKEA just try to sue this guy for featuring furniture in his game?
Idk, I think you should watch the video
No
Ikr that’s what it seems like, it’s so wrong
@@bruhmoment4188 Did you see the thumbnail?
That's exactly what they did
SCP 3008 games are shitting their pants right now
yeah all those SCP 3008 games flooding the market.
i hope the roblox scp-3008 game ain't affected cause it's a good game
@@Vorticough no one cares about roblox (a good thing) because it is perceived as a kids game (except nintendo)
@@metaparalysis3441 Hence why roblox FPS games and other serious roblox games never get too popular. Everyone always thinks and says that roblox is for kids only, because most of it's players ARE kids.
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 as a Roblox dev who literally hates his thing, yeah, people are mostly children looking at how memes and games about cartoons or something usually get the most popular. If i did my stuff for visits, I'm sure i would give up with making games right away
IKEA could promote their products for gamers or teenagers, but instead they decided to shut it all down lmao. What a wasted potential 😂
IKEA is literally a furniture shop…
@@AtlanticBoii that doesn't mean they can't advertise their "furniture" elsewhere. Tbh I've never been in IKEA store, but good promo or in-game appearance could change my mind. I guess they are not interested in new customers xD
@@Firzj bro everyone knows what ikea is already whats the point
@@AtlanticBoii the products bro...for specific audience... Everyone knows what IKEA sells, but would you find a desired product for your needs? that's the point
@@Firzj teenagers are not ikea target audience so they absolutely dont care about them
I'm, for one, thankful that IKEA got involved because it made the game get a lot more press and pushed this game to reach a Legendary status. How many more games got C&D letters from big non-gaming corporations? There can't be many.
I have worked in IP law for a couple of years, and I can absolutely promise that when the lawyer starts saying things like "indicia associated with the famous IKEA stores" and relying on unfair competition laws, it is because they got absolutely nothing.
That reminds me of that time when the creator of a FNAF Fangame that i think was called Jollibee's got a cease and desist letter from the actual Jollibee's for portraying the titular fast food chain as a FNAF styled location, no joke. The creator took the game and it's sequel down because of the cease and desist.
BRUH XD
Then made a game called Jolly, pratically the same game with a different name
At least this makes sense though lol, it's using the exact trademarked name without permission.
ah i remembered that
@@rodrigopadilha5682
nah they made jolly first before jollibee's
Quick fun fact about this game, this is a game based off of SCP-3008. So not only is this an obvious parody, but it's based off of a concept that has been turned into games before. So yeah, this is dumb.
This is the sort of thing that makes me upset with the state of copyright as well as the legal system in general. It's unacceptable to me that companies can do this sort of thing to people.
Yes let me steal your art put it in a game and sell it that makes me money but that's OK because you have no right to Sue.
@@Plsrateeight Every video game with guns in it that doesn't have use original name of the gun would like to introduce themselves
state of copyright (mostly in US) and legal system (mostly in US) ;-)
@@Plsrateeight that's,,,, a lot different. in the case of the art, the artist actually made it. but ikea didn't make anything in the game...?
Yup. IP laws are completely ridiculous. They need some extreme scaling back.
Ikea has officially lost my business.
Feel like it would have been smarter for IKEA to embrace it, maybe even invest/push it to make it into part of a marketing campaign.
They have to protect their Intellectual Property and IKEA has trademarks on their specific brand colours: Yellow (Pantone 7408 C), blue (Pantone 288 C)
@@Archivus23 yes, but this indie dev isn't trying to use those colors to sell furniture are they? no, they're making a game which has nothing to do with anything IKEA is doing
@@AnEnderNon they always argue that they dont have legal ground in the future if they give one a pass
ikea would never do that lol; it would be a terrible business decision on their part. they should've just left the game alone.
They just did, involuntarily
damn, for my free indie game I modelled a few furnitures, and some of my reference images are from IKEA, I guess I have to move to mexico now under a new indentity
Pretty sure they can sue you no matter what country you're from
tbh the game on video is profited
IKEA doesn’t even lose anything by this game existing
They do now since it would have been free advertising
Oh yes, every parent wants to deal with their screaming child not wanting to go into The Haunted ikea because of a video game, do you all even think or are you all just kids?
@@Plsrateeight why do the parents leave there kids alone to play online and downl9ad stuff like this. At that point it's the parents fault
@@Plsrateeight oh no!! Think of the children, they'll be ScArEd and scReAmIng like MOOOOM
IKEA IS SCARWY BECAUSE WHEN WE GO IN WE CANT GET OUT AND THERES MONSTERS!!!
Dude it's not the dev's job to monitor their possible 9 year Olds playin the game, it's the parents.
Plus, as a business student, I see this as an absolutely great free advertising. I mean, horror games are practically one of the most popular game genres out there, why throw that out of the goddamn window for a fuckin CHAIR.
@@Plsrateeight if your child is scared after playing an IKEA parody horror game then that's not exactly the game's fault. Actually, that means the game's good at having a memorable theme. Also, if they don't do so then IKEA could yaknow... Do big corpo things like throw tons of legal bullshit at them and them not being able to do anything since court is very expensive
There is no way they should be able to sue for this, that's insane
Is the creator charging money?
they can sue, they can lose
@@epicterry6706 evening winning can put them under depending how long it drags on, with big $ legal teams they can drag on longer then any small group.
They actually have to, that's how the copyright law works, if they don't it could seriously bite them in the butt later.
@@Plsrateeight
I don't think that would make a difference here, it's just about the resemblance.
Why is it so unlikely to stand your rights in court? A lot of the times these big corp threaten to sue with baseless cases but if you don't budge to their bullying, they should sue and the courts might decide in your favor.
They will drag it out until the person they are against runs out of money
Lawyers are very expensive and companies have more than enough money to stall and bankrupt you so you can no longer afford a lawyer
Because they have shit tonnes of money, they will do anything to cover their asses.
because honestly he has no rights that protect him in this case
@@Pedro-vm1vg Parody, free speech laws, not being a Swede and it's a fucking chair. Imagine suing a TV show because they used Ikea furniture in it.
Goddamnit ive spent like an year waiting for this game and now its being sued
This is the first time I've heard of the game and I wanna play it so bad- ig in very small good news this lawsuit gave them a bit of publicity
Guess I won't be buying any more furniture from IKEA.
yeah only thing this has done has made the newer generations not want to buy from ikea
Same
I dont think anything in the game can be trademarked like a yellow shirt really ??
yeah it shouldn't be trademarked but it does look basically like a copy of the uniform
The lawyer also mentioned how the game used a fucking gray floor path... No joke, the lawyer wanted the dev to change a FUCKING FLOOR PATH because it was gray!? How the fuck is that copyright? I can understand how a furniture can be trademarked because that furniture is a design created by ikea the same as a Toy's design can be tradearketed, but a gray fucking floor? Fuck ikea
@@jockin He's not using the game environment to virtually sell furniture in some weird 3d ecommerce place that has ikea's copyrighted interior design brand secrets-- it's a very obvious parody for entertainment
fun fact: copyright laws are so awful you actually *can* copyright specific colors!
@@waffler-yz3gw they aren't awful, there is a huge precedent on why colours can be copyrighted and it's also done in a very specific way. You can copyright your colour in a specific brand category, because it is PROVEN that consumers will associate that colour with the brand.
How come Tarkov never got in trouble for their Ikea rip-off called "IDEA"
Tssssss!
because idea is actually a real russian shop (which is definitely not an ikea ripoff)
Russian copyright laws
I'm suprised that the Ikea game in Roblox which is making millions of dollars isn't getting taken down.
🌚don't give them ideas,
Anyways, I find it weird Ikea prefer to sue them rather than embrace their brands by letting the Dev use them. Ik that everyone know Ikea and all but I mean it's free marketing to people playing these games.
No.
The devs only make a couple hundred.
@@MrPillowStudios do they have Any gamepasses?
@@MrPillowStudios Also even with premium benefits I’m sure the devs has made more Than a couple hundreds
@@InsoiDev for sure. I had a couple hundred robux from a couple people playing my games, so a game that's super popular is for sure pulling in like at least a million a year.
I literally make tiny little tower defense games, not even a fraction as skilled some of these indie cats, I was thinking about putting in a Diablo 2 reference into one of the games and then I just kept envisioning the worst case scenario, and I just said, forget it.
Basically, assume the worst and you'll never be caught off guard. I feel for this guy
Whats the name of you tower defence game
@@marinastanoevska4481 Gonna release in a couple weeks or a month, will let you know (recovering from COVID right now LOL). But thanks for askin'
@@funasylumstudio oh ok
I'll make a note to keep IKEA out of my games, and out of my life thanks!
Shoot, If I had a game developer exposing the dark secrets of my company, I'd be upset too
"Lets pretend that the Idea store on the Map interchange from Escape from Tarkov is not IKEA" - IKEA
or every gun ever in video games that doesn't have the original name
NEVER bow to corporations!
He's helping IKEA though! They should give him cash to make more IKEA based games!!
The thing about copyright is that infringement only takes place when its explicitly using brand related names such as "IKEA" or specific product names. Even if something is super similar doesn't mean there's legal infringement. Its like Scott Cawthon suing you because you have animatronics in your game.
Copyright also applies for designs , you can't just copy a chair design and be safe by not naming the brand furniture also have copyright .
@@luciopcamp5367 That's why I said similar. As long as there's enough difference then its legally seen as a different intellectual property altogether. They would have to compare IKEA furniture models and store layouts to the in game ones as well. I won't be surprised if this was done merely due to fear of the franchise being seen in a bad light.
@@rebirth4119Yeah you are absolutely right, IKEA PR team probably think having a violent game take place in an ikea look a like might be bad optics
IMO Ikea could handle the situation better.
Doesn't change the fact that legally they have every right to sue.
Looks like the dev got assets from turbosquid , if the pack they bought was specifically IKEA furniture pack he might be in trouble
@@luciopcamp5367 Yeah they either they'll have to pull the game if it had assets too similar to IKEA models or he's going to have to speedrun changing out the assets for appropriate ones within 10 days😅.
@@luciopcamp5367 All Ikea furniture designs are a rip off from other designers.
Now everyone is going to create an IKEA themed game and/or take shots at IKEA through in-game jokes.
oh u should've seen the discord of tsic, the game in this video
we took as many shots as the average alcoholist dad
RIP i sadly knew this would happen. SCP has recently gone through a Copyright revamp because they were using this odd copyright thing where you can uses copyrighted stuff but as long as you weren't making money off it you could use it. this has led to several SCP images being either replaced with images made to replace specifically or in the case of the all mighty peanut being removed entirely. You can check SCP 173 page right now and no image. This is a thing that I feel will also effect the Backrooms eventually too because it's following a similar format.
Fortunatly with the backrooms, the original image and the idea around it is safe, as obviously, its entirely unknown who took the original image, or where it comes from, so unless the original owner of the photo goes after, it will be fine
Honestly this makes Ikea more ominous and scary than the game ever could.
I'd make it a Norwegian themed store rather than a Swedish one. But this is quite literally an SCP meme too. It's more than just IKEA
If IKEA sues and wins, then the game is based on a true story.
If they go to court, the dev will win, so he should go for it. It's covered by pretty massive US laws, as you've mentioned, and they haven't got much room for interpretation.
Likewise, he could potentially be sued if the project changes too much from what people have agreed to fund.
He should hire a defense attourney and prepare to pay them by way of countersuit. If they win the case, which they are almost guaranteed to, they can very easily make a case for/prove that this was frivolous, and that this suit was done with the knowledge that the developer was not in violation of the law. To add to this, their kickstarter is proof that they needed additional funds just to make the game, and you can use that lack of money as grounds to make a case for not being able to afford a lawyer, and to make a case for Ikea likely knowing that. To close this series of points off, they can easily make a case for potential financial loss on the grounds that people would be hesitant to fund a game that may well be taken down if Ikea tries to push their luck again, or that this action would draw away potential investors, or even be a problem for this dev's reputation (which is explicitly covered by defamation laws).
This dev owes it to themself, their fans, their kickstarters, their product, and to other game devs to fight back in court. They have tons of support, they have the prominence, and they have 0 chance of losing. If they don't fight this, they set a bad precedent for everyone, and may run the risk of going right back to court anyway, having to pay back funds used to make the game. They only stand to win if they fight, and they're gonna risk a lot of problems if they refuse to.
Ikea is just gonna stall it until he runs out of money most big companies do that
Almost inpossible, the dev is in disavantage with a big capitalist corporation. IKEA can hire thousands of the better lawers and xan even buy the judge. It's a very dangerous situation
You realize Ikea isn't from the US right? they can sue him in swedish courts and he isn't protected there
@@Pedro-vm1vg
1. International agreements are homogenized.
2. Does he live in Sweden?
Time to make a game to spite IKEA.
He should call their bluff. Even if Ikea could bankrupt them in court, would they really want such press coverage?
Honestly cant see how they got away with this blatant copyright infringement. It’s exactly the same. The last time I walked into an ikea I had to kill SO many monsters and I could not find the exit.
If I were the developer, I would just tear up the letter and throw it away. Lmfao what are they going to do, send me to jail for abiding by the law? I don't think so.
Yep.
That kind of tactic does work on a certain percentage of devs though, so sadly it's worth if for companies to do such thing.
The hell.... they never sued the SCP Wiki.... why this game ? Is it because its for a commerciale (lucrative) usage ?
exactly, he's making money while using "ikea image"
He has not been sued, he got an Cease and Desist letter. We do not know if SCP got one and responded in a way that made IKEA ignore them and this dev could possibly make an argument for why its allowed.
Many times cease and desist letters are sent by a legal department to any infringement as a first response and only do more later. Its quite possible that if he ignored the letter that IKEA, before suing, would make a more thorough analysis and choose not to sue but a C/D letter is basically free to send.
And it would not be the first time a legal department put their foot in the wrong place going contrary to what marketing would have wanted ;)
1. you can use the Ikea planning layout because there's no layout copyright. And no one can have that.
2. You can't use the actual Ikea furniture model. But you can make your own furniture that looks a little familiar.
3. You can use Yellow Text on a blue background because there's no copyright to using those colors.
4. Ikea may approach you as making a game base on them or parodying them that could damage their product or brand. But in this case, it's a video game, it's not the real furniture. Ikea would not and will not take any damage from this.
5. Copyright law may differ in each country or state. But I can say 90% of them are very same in detail because most countries got international agreements, so they need to adjust their local law to match others
3. is wrong, the logo with this shape and colors is certainly protected and that's the main problem, it unmistakebly looks like the IKEA one and they simply can't let that go.
@@DerEchteBold 1. As long as it's not yellow Ikea, Ekea, Ecea, Acea, Akea, Igea, or something like that on a blue background (I think he use "STYR" )
2. The fonts must not be copyrighted by Ikea. (You can make your own fonts that are kind of similar to Ikea, Fonts are very easy to look the same unlike pictures)
3. Ikea just felt attacked and ordered the lawyer to make some moves. The lawyer got money and do what he need to do.
Just hire a good lawyer and he will be fine. He already got the upper hand. People who have never been prosecuted are always frightened and anxious. That's how companies and politicians keep people out of their way.
@@TheBoEoSoT
I once read that if companies don't go after something like this they have little chances in later copyright cases that may be more serious, when someone digs up such stuff and can prove they knew about it but didn't do anything, they're fucked.
And hey, what's with the numbers?
Are you a teacher or is that some sort of syndrome?
@@DerEchteBold Nah, the right is still the right. Do or do nothing on the case is another thing. As I said they just use the law to intimidate and control people.
I'm a lawyer. And those numbers are just constituents and it's easier to read.
@@TheBoEoSoT
Why shouldn't what I mentioned apply here, the example I read was quite similar, as far as I remember.
Ad NO, it's not easier to read, you have to use blank lines for that!
Copyright Law in the U.S. requires you to aggressively defend your copyrights OR you lose your right to defend your copyright in any other case.
You are forced to defend ALL of your potential copyright claims, or you lose the ability to defend against any.
Man they really need some way to vet cease and decists. Like some court hearing type situation where it's decided whether a copyright claim is to be had before either party starts spending large amounts of money on legal fees. Holding another person/company at ransom with delays, vague statements a such is insane and shouldn't be possible.
Yeah probably. I know a lot of people hate Disney so if power changes in the next 2 years they might try to rework copyright to heck them over. I’d strongly advise writing a letter to your elected officials on the topic or continue to talks about it on social media.
Honestly I know it would be stressful but I think it would be super easy to win this case in court. It's clearly a parody.
If IKEA is this petty, I'm never spending money at one ever again.
nah the gamedev is profiting through the game, it's kickstarter. Unlike how Nintendo goes after free fan projects.
IKEA can't just see how much free advertising it gets.
It's so annoying big companies can get away with all this crap just because even though they would easily lose in court the person being attacked can't do anything about it because of how expensive it is to fight back.
Anyone know how BattleState Games deal with this ? they have a map with a big mall named Idea
Because they're a big company that has a team of lawyers that Ikea is afraid to take on because they can easily go to court and win
IKEA Meatball showdown.
Copyright and Trademarks are different things.
This lawsuit threat could just be ignored because it has no ground to stand on, either way.
Company lawyers just like to send out such threats/intimidation mails (whilst knowing there is no point in actually suing) because some devs will comply out of fear.
Don't mind me i’m just still waiting for him to talk about the chair in level 52 that got the game struck down by Ikea
All the devs would have to do is change the color scheme a bit. As long as the uniforms and store color look different, along with maybe changing the outside store design a bit to look less like ikea, ikea has nothing on these guys. No need to change the level design though because ikea can't claim a game that has levels that look like their store to be copyright infringement. If they did, then they would have to go after all the other infinite store games out there and there are plenty of them.
Tbh, if this was a free game or less gore themed, it might have been overlooked. With monetization and violent themes, many companies will become a lot more serious in these issues.
An antique furniture shop has opened in my town in an old blockbusters. I'm going to have a look in there and get something that's not going to fall apart like IKEA furniture and it will help a small business.
I'll never understand some companies. Why shine the spotlight on something you don't like (that if anything is only giving you free publicity) and establish yourself as a copyright bully at the same time?
I will no longer shop at ikea thanks for the info 👍
One thing to note is that trademark isnt the same thing and copyright, i dont think its protected by fair use and Ikea is forced to enforce their trademark or they lose it. Im not a legal expert tho so i could be wrong
Trademark is only protected by fair use in some circumstances, in this circumstance.. IKEA is fully in the right to file a cease and desist. They own trademarks to their many variants of the IKEA logo, wordmarks and also the colours used in their logos: Yellow (Pantone 7408 C), Blue (Pantone 288 C)
@@Archivus23 but the law protects for parody. If thats the case, snl would have been bankrupted to hell.
And the trademark protection against color and shape probably won't work since the video isn't competing against ikea.
So how come Tarkov can parody ikea? Nothing in the game uses copyright, it only parodies a copyright.
Yep, corporations are not your friend and never will be.
How do these big companies don't understand that this is still free marketing for them and acting out like this against people who use their stuff in games can actually negatively impact them? Surely there will be couple hundred people that will boycott IKEA because of this shit...
Well, at least now I know where not to buy furniture.
This game is based on the SCP 3008 (an infinite IKEA filled with monsters who are faceless IKEA employees) which is licensed under Creative Commons meaning that the game developer shouldn't be able to be sued
if game is even hosted on CC and includes copyrighted content or brand is not really CC , im not expert on copyrights but i had to read it thrualy as im technicaly menager of friend twich channel.
also infinite ikea is concept , i dont belive ther ever sold any game
i think its ether of these 3 things: 1:game is sold or will have prize , so technicaly your selling something based on copyrighted brand. , 2: game is a kickstarted/croud founding , so your technically taking money to develop game based on brand you got no copyrights to and 3: Foul play from SPC foundation(would be nothing new as owner of SPC is had really really a lot drama and herd some stories they harrased game devs too)
notice that a lot "parody" games are ether unique enough/far enough from brand , or character parody or based on Public figure(like trump simulator) or a country
you dont see that a lot mickey the mouse , or starwars parodies do you? we had space balls but he needed explicit permision.
you cant make game on copyrighted content and sell it , a lot games or programs or mods who got away with it were mods , or free games.
when you involve money a lot "fair use" and CC goes out of the window. , especialy if you plan selling it or take money directly
@@VarenvelDarakus You heard there was harassment from the owner of the SCP foundation? That can't be right as there is no owner, it is made by the community.
SCP games all differ from the original SCP as that is how the entire community is run, by people branching off from othe peoples ideas
@@staticnight copyright holder or intellectual property owner or whatever it's called , I'm not saying it happened but gave 3 likely reasons , they could raported project to IKEA becouse they not liked it. Still likely is 1 or 2
Ikea did not give their store front up in any Creative Commons license. The devs can't be sued by the SCP people due to that license
The devs can't be sued by Ikea because they can't copyright the stuff they are claiming, it is bullshit legalism that wouldn't hold up in court but court is too expensive to actually defend in
How can you even trademark something like that?
Do they hold trademark on the specific color the floor is supposed to have in a furniture store?
this sounds like one of the backrooms where literally stuck an ikea, and these things chase you around the store. go figure you put an image of a chair and they threaten to sue
They always wait till it’s “almost” done to demoralize. If it’s proven that they knew about it long before the C&D was sent then the whole case should be thrown out. It’s up to IKEA to alert them as soon as they found out, not wait till an opportune moment.
oh the game was nowhere near done, release was planned for 2024 but he did plan to give us an alpha update that would've added some much needed fixes plus more gameplay mechanics
just everyone will band together to ban ikea!
let the developer win!
I would tell them to get their best lawyers ready because they'll have to close 20 stores just to pay off my counter-lawsuit!
Very sad that these corporations are just allowed to bully people around....
Global corporations have more power than most countries now. That needs to change.
They don’t really. What happens is countries use corporations to do their dirty work for them. Remember, if you hate a company, as long as you’re a capitalist nation, you can just choose not to buy their products. You can’t stop paying your taxes.
@@marcar9marcar972 They do actually because they control entire industries that the planet relies on. Corporations (not governments) control all banks, petroleum, most farming, automotive industry, aeronautics, weapons manufacturing, transportation of goods, distribution, warehouses, internet, telecommunications, a huge proportion of electricity generation, pharmaceuticals, and the tech sector. They own politicians like you own underwear. They even pay lobbyists to write their own legislation then give it to their paid politicians to get it passed for them. We live in a corporate oligarchy right now. And like I said, it needs to change. Look up which companies BlackRock and Vanguard own. Something like $18 TRILLION in assests between them.
yeah.. if it is a parody, it should be legal to use that.
According to RUclips captions, they sent him a "seasoned assist letter"
there's no copyright infringement, its just a scare tactic from Ikea lawyers to try and cow the dev into changing the game, I doubt ikea would actually take it to court if he didnt change it because they know that there is very clearly no infringement of any copyright in this game.
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I know the guy irl who made this. The dude also knows Dani. I know this sounds like a lie but it's not
Does he know what Karlson is?
@@naturestudioz9738 he does not watch his videos, they are just friends. I did tell him abt Karlson tho
Hopefully you can ask him about contacting IKEA about fair use. If not, wish him luck on revamping the whole game! Stressfull..
IKEA needs to fire their lawyers for not leaning into this.
I'm a South American law student and I've been thinking about learning the most common legal problems internet people get into and just start selling non-binding legal advice for cheap on discord or something, do you guys think it will help and be successful?
why communicate on a topic you dont understand? He does not need to take ikea to court. In order for ikea to move forward with litigation, they would need to bring him to court, AND present evidence that their claim isnt blatantly unconstitutional (it is), which is not going to happen. The dev is fine.
Bro it's a trademark, what does the constitution have to do with this?
I don't get how you can complain that he doesn't understand the topic and then say something like this with 100% confidence
@@AndreiTache Also countries outside of the United States exist and surpisingly have different laws
If I recall, the developer is in the UK, so there may be differences in the way it would be carried out legally. I'm no expert, but the UK doesn't have the exact same rules as the US does
this isnt a just a parody, its a scp game. about the Endless Ikea with evil workers that just tell you "the store is closed"
Long, long ago, while first working at a very large mainframe computer company I received a cease-and-desist letter from a group described as The United States of America, they were unhappy with some software I had created that I planned on having my employer distribute. My immediate manager thought it was a big deal, I very quickly was introduced to many company lawyers and executives. Career advice: this isn't the best way to meet your management.
Nintendo wouldnt even give a second instant strike down after notice
I never knew Ikea had zombies at night
Is the boss battle a massive bookshelf assembly?
I can't think of a single country where the parody exception to copyright would apply here.
That seems like a misuse of copyright for bullying.
Just against the hyperventilation! Companies are forced to defend their trademarks. Otherwise they lose them. It is a crap policy. The government is too blame here....
What's even stupider is there's a Battle Royale game with an exact recreation of IKEA except the K is replaced with a D and they were completely ignored by IKEA.
They can't really win a lawsuit on that because the store doesn't even really look like an ikea nor does it ever say it's one. Just because similarities exist doesn't mean they're what it's mimicking and it can't be proven.
The infinite IKEA reminds me of the endless Costco from Idiocracy
So many people quote that their media/game is "parody" under copyright law but if you actually look at judge rulings on the definition of the word, parody only counts works that satirize the original, and therefore fall under the definition of criticism. Parody that is just "your product/brand but changed a bit" isn't legal, nor protected by copyright law.
I don't understand how this one gets sued and the other games don't? The one literally has IKEA in title screen and on the employees shirts and this game doesn't and its gets sued
never buying anything from ikea again
Adding Ikea to a list of places to never buy from again.