Shelley. Surely if god is eternal and all-knowing, then besides starting these wheels in motion, God himself created the circumstances in which Jack and Jill were kept in a cage by their relatives. You have to agree that god knew a million years ago about the child abuse, harm, cancer, and murder of this story. And god approved of it and let it happen. Your idea of a god is worse that the Rosenthal's relatives who kept children in a cage. Your god designed a system where almost every single human that ever lived loses their mother. You think that he is the author of morality. The invisible man who watches you pee.
Abandoned in his pushchair. Turned out to be the best thing that happened to him. He got a mother who loved him - he seems like a together guy. She is his mum - but I hope he finds his twin.
Yes, I so admire his perseverance and that he was able to put bio Paul in touch with his mom before his passing (tragic also). Clearly bio Paul's mom who raised him, was involved in the kidnapping. I wonder if she is still alive. I just hope Jill is out there somewhere waiting to be found by her loving brother.
The fact his family (biological) refuse to give him any info or even speak to him is utterly disgusting and honestly makes me think the worst. They know something, and are hiding it. I have family who have done evil things, and my other family members will 100% know, yet turn a blind eye. I care enough for the people around me to rat those awful people out, even if they are family. Better if they are, so they can get help.
Well, apparently they knew he was being abused and if they let it happen and did nothing not surprised they want no contact. They’d have a lot of questions to answer
This is tragic for the guy who died of cancer. He found closure, but he never had a real chance to get to know his own biological parents before dying.
But in the other hand because they believed that they found their missing child they stopped looking for him and their real son was raised by the kidnappers and wasn’t really successful if you see the house he lived. As a mom both cases are heartbroken.
I’m so glad that Mr. Batey got to talk to his biological mother before died. Poor Mrs. Fronzac and her deceased husband had already had a stillborn then had their baby stolen. I just hope the Bately family can offer some clue’s to the puzzle. And I hope Jack finds closure.
@@FaithandNova It certainly does seem like it was the Batey mom. She must be deceased or the law could go straight to her. She must of had a really serious problem since kidnapping was a Capitol offense. Shame on anyone that knows anything and doesn’t come forward. But I do understand Mr. Batey was too ill to deal with it.
I sure hope we will get the whole story one day. But it’s doubtful. Why in the world would anyone want to protect this woman ( even though she is deceased) who caused such grief for her own gain. Maybe a lot of the people are dead that could remember when Mrs. Batey turned up with this baby boy. Someone along the way had to be suspicious! We will see, huh! Would make a great movie!
he turned out to be OK and I hope he can find his sister, he was very lucky to end up in a loving family, I hope the real Pauls' life wasn't too difficult.
The woman who raised Kevin Baty was the kidnapper. Her name was Lorraine Fountain and she has passed away. She doesn’t get to pay for her crime! I hope Paul/Jack can find his sister Jill. His story is fascinating but equally horrific to me. I admire him a lot for his determination to get justice for his sister Jill.
@@malindaallen718 Maybe he was well adjusted because of the man who raised him or it was just his inner goodness. His non-biological mother had a sketchy life and her other children suffered because of her. To never to disclose to him that he was not her biological child is evil. Twice the evil because she kidnapped him. It is in the hands of the FBI now.
Oh my heart goes out to this man. Imagine going through all this and then having his siblings refuse any contact. What is wrong with people? I hope you find Jill.
Another commenter said it might be bc they were also heavily abused and do not want to open up to the traumatic memories. It is sad for him but is also their right to do so if this is the reason. My brother and I were seperated after we got out of our abusive home and we also do not have contact. We saw each other one time but it is simply too hard. And in addition: we never had the chance to establish a bond. You do not have an automatic bond with your biological sibling. Maybe twins do but surly not "normal" siblings at least from my experience. We are strangers to one another exactly like Paul/Jack and his siblings. I do hope that he finds Jill or at least finds out what has happened to her. Have a nice day! 💖
They were likely abused and neglected too and since they were not adopted, they grew up to have distinctional lives themselves. Not to mention they probably know very little or nothing, considering he was only 2 when he was abandoned.
Mez, sometimes a painful situation turns out better than the original situation. Some people have zero business having kids. I was SO happy when my "mother" had a hysterectomy in her 40s. My first thought was, Oh thank goodness, she can't hurt any more kids.
@@merylsilverburgh8081 normal siblings indeed have bonds.. but like you said you were abused and your take on sibling bonding backs that fact up perfectly. You’ll never heal properly because you’d rather run away from the trauma, you can bury it but it will not be a healing experience when burying /anything/ just a mere bandage over a old unclean wound. If it’s “working” for you, meaning as long as you remain strangers with your blood relative you function as a normal human being; so be it.
At least the biological Paul was able to talk to his biological mother before he passed away. This story is sad. Nobody has the right to messed up a babies' lives. These things only happens on TV series and should remain that way.
It’s really unfortunate. I agree with Ursula that it was probably for the best. The family members of abused children wanting nothing to do with one of them. They are troubling & repugnant people and at least he has loving parents who cherished their child 💕
@@ursulamullikin4723 If you read the article at 1;17 it said his sisters Sharon and Karen were 2 and 1 when he & Jill were born, so when he left at 2 they were 4 and 3, so I doubt they had any idea what happened and thus, they don't want to get deeper into what was a bad childhood, while he had a loving one, where he grew up.
Wow, that is an interesting story. I may have to read his book. It was a good thing they were removed from the home and cage. Can't imagine why the family wouldn't want to help him.
There is a longer version of this where he explains more in detail the people he spoke to in the bio family and they all sound very dysfunctional and dodgy, so he is better off that he escaped them.
If you read the article at 1;17 it says his two older sisters were 2 and 1 when he and Jill were born, so they would have been 4 and 3 when he was abandoned, so I'm sure they knew nothing of it. While he went to a loving home, apparently they stayed in a dysfunctional situation.
Obviously some of his relatives knew he and his sister were abused, neglected and kept in a cage and did nothing to help those two babies. They don't want the truth to come out.
@@ambermcqueen8623 Unfortunately that's probably true. Often times people won't want to reach out or allow people in if they are ashamed of themselves.
@@heidih3048 Totally could be.. I feel even though alot of traumatized people still tell their stories, but we may truly never know. Telling your story can make you a stronger person. Sounds selfish in a way... A mystery we may never find out. Especially him. 😔
@@tiaryan1350 I was thinking of someone I know who was abused long term physically and mentally as a child. He is literally a recluse and refuses to see anyone, even those he knows care about him. He says severe social anxiety is preventing him from being able to see anyone or speak on the phone, and he only rarely communicates by text, mostly with one word answers, if anything at all. I was just imagining that the siblings in this story might be similar to him. Or they may not want a reminder of their childhood. Or they may be embroiled in drug/alcohol problems and not thinking straight.
Amazing detective skills, Paul (Jack). This story is so interesting, but it also obviously has a lot of pain involved in it. He's been so successful in his search so far, I have a lot of faith that if anyone is able to solve all this, it's him. Hopefully others could join in an help him out? Anyone who has any skills that could help towards his search?
I would test. If I knew how to reach him. My parents always said I wasn't theirs. I even overheard relatives say that I was not theirs. I'm east coast. I was treated like I was not theirs. I don't even feel like I'm theirs. Spent my whole life being the outsider of my family. Very different than a black sheep. I was not the black sheep of the family. I was just the outsider. My parents died before I could get them to test. They both said they would. Then they change their mind.
@@StillYHWHs reach out to the news channel. Also, you can test it’s simple your parents don’t need to be alive for you to get a test done. You can test with your family to see if you’re related.
Like it was last week, I recall the Fronczak Baby Case since I was a child living in the Chicago suburbs at the time. The reports were that a uniformed nurse was the prime suspect. Artist's sketches were circulated and some of us were, for a while, scared of starched white clad nurses. I know it sounds ridiculous now, but we were very young & impressionable. As a mother, I can only imagine the agony the Fronczaks endured. The silver lining: after this, major security changes were made in hospitals to protect newborns.
@@brandy2378 I had to watch it back, I wasn't sure who you were talking about 🤣 I see the similarity. Definitely. I was born in 72 in Europe. I hope he finds her. Bless him ❤️
I'm from Michigan, not too far from Manton, but no connection, other than my mama had me in 1964. These things happened a lot back then. What a sad story. I remember when this man's story first broke. What a tragedy.
What a sad, complicated story. However, I'm glad that the truth is finally coming out, and I hope this man finds comfort and resolution in discovering the rest of his and his sister's stories. . . .
I really hope the real Paul had a good life. It seems doubtful since he was likely raised by a kidnapper and got cancer. People who have hard/ bad lives die younger of diseases. It's like your body says I'm sad, I've been here a long time in this sadness and I'm just ready to be done. 💔 I'm glad that Paul/Jack got a good family after all he'd been through and that his new parents got to hold a little child that they could love and could at least pretend to be reunited with their original beloved. I'm guessing Jill probably was killed, and honestly it probably wasn't even the parents that "abandoned" him. It was probably more like a rescue. The parents likely killed one twin and someone wanted to give the other one some small chance in hell. And it worked by some miracle. He doesn't even remember being locked in cages. How lucky is that? Parents who abuse and lock kids in cages rarely abandon them by what I've seen. No, they are power and control freaks who thrive on sadism. They'd rather kill them off than release their victims since they view them as subhuman property. It could have been an aunt or uncle or sibling, even a neighbor. He wasn't apparently reported missing, so maybe someone was supposed to "dispose" of him and didn't. Either way it was very, very lucky for Paul/Jack. It looks like he's done very well and fulfilled his potential without memory of abuse. You can't ask for more than that, whatever your circumstance or lineage.
Wow what an amazing story....and he seems so "together " as a person even though abused as a wee boy ! Wow it shows what love can do ! And besides all that is he terribly handsome to boot ! God be with him and bless all the rest of his days
That's my question. Who kidnapped the baby, 'baby Paul " from the hospital, and how did the lady who raised him end up with him? Was she the kidnapper? Lots of questions still
What a bunch of jerks !! Why would they refuse to have contact with Jack . They did you favor man! These people are obviously screwed up in the head ! You look like and educated , sophisticated intelligent man. God blessed you with your adopted parents !
Why are they "jerks?" Life doesn't operate so neatly and regardless of the circumstances, they are strangers. They may simply want to allow sleeping dogs lie and move on with their lives.
When children are bought up in chaos they don’t always make good siblings, I am sorry to say. I am one of 6 but prefer only one of my siblings, the others much like the parents....
I feel bad for Kevin but also in a way am happy for Paul that he became a part of a family with good parents and that he turned out to be a good person.
This story is so sad 😭 but also happy in a way. He was lucky to be brought up by loving parents. What is really sad is the other man who was the real Paul not ever have spent time with his real family. I admire this guys determination to find his sister and the truth. I think they could make this into a movie. It’s so dramatic. I just hope they can find some peace and happiness with all party involved.
"SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
This story was on the news so many years back from 2022. They said 2013. I'm glad there's an update here. I hope things get solved. I'm sorry his other relatives refused to talk with him.
It's called "SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
If you read the article at 1;17 it said twins Jack and Jill were born on Oct 27, the birthday of their older sister Sharon who had just turned 2, and their sister Karen was born the previous January, making her 9 1/2 months old. While Jack ended up at 2 in a wonderful home, we can only guess the dysfunctional life Sharon and Karen had. At ages 4 and 3, I doubt they knew anything about where the twins went.
I know it's hard to understand their not wanting to speak to him. Still, if he and Jill were abused, it's likely the siblings were just as brutally treated--and they never escaped. Who knows what story those vile parents told them? If the siblings are screwed up now, I can sort of see how they might resent Jack/Paul for living a normal, relatively privileged life with a good family. It's totally illogical but whatever tight bonding they did to survive growing up in that household, maybe they're too protective right now to let him in. It's all very sad.
I know it’s real and a sad story but damn this is like a movie and it’s really good and has a lot of plot twists and cliff hangers it’s like a whodunnit mixed with a drama
It seems the universe cared for him enough to give him to the family that lost their son. I do not think I could turn my back on a child I raised as mine and loved. So I’m sure his “Fronzac” family love him as theirs. Love, light and blessings be with them all.
I am only familiar with the term when a woman from the Philippines ran for Presidency. She was also a foundling. She lost the race due to people questioning her citizenship.
@@sweetlifemis1346 A foundling is a baby that was abandoned somewhere and someone found them. It's different than regular adoptions because foundlings have nothing at all to go on. There's no record of them at all.
So jack was left on a sidewalk and giving to a different family. He was saved by a chain of events. The baby that was kidnapped talked to his real mom before he passed away.. and then jacks real parents both died.. Jack is still looking for Jill , to find out they were both in a cage his chilling.. Sad story and I hope all find peace. 🙏🙏🙏
I hope he finds his sister, so sad about the "real" Paul but at least he got to connect to his mother. I hope that the other siblings will change their minds and want to get to know their brother. Its good he never had the memory of the abuse to haunt him growing up. The best things those people did was abandon him so he could know real love
What’s weird is he may have dated his sister at some point and never knew it. With all the twists and turns in his story, anything like that is possible. Ppl have married their siblings and never knew it.
Basically, the Fronzack's baby named Paul was kidnapped from the hospital. Two years later, the police said they found him and so they raised the found baby as Paul. But the baby the police found was actually an abandoned child named Jack, who found out about his real identity when he grew up. The real Paul had been found but had died of cancer.
@@ellanica so who raised the real Paul? and didn't the fake guy parents knew that he was not their kid? Like he's very handsome and doesn't look anything like his dad? So the guy who died was the fake guy real parents?
@@sevenbeauty6502 From what I read in this case (and take it with a grain of salt), the real Paul, now known as Kevin Baty, was kidnapped by a woman who wanted a baby. That woman's family is not talking, because they don't want to admit that she did a crime. Imagine being raised by someone you thought as your mother only to realize years later that she kidnapped you. This all happened when DNA tests didn't exist yet, so the police had a hard time looking for the baby. Also, the parents probably assumed that fake Paul looks like some other relatives, etc. I mean, you don't have to look like your parents to be their biological child. And yes, they guy who died was the fake guy's real parents.
@@sevenbeauty6502 Paul was a newborn when he was kidnapped, and they found the abandoned child two years later. He had the same ears and blood type as Paul. For a family who was probably afraid their child was dead and was praying everyday he’d be found, they were probably only to happy to believe he had been. Jack was raised as Paul in a loving home, but said in a different interview that when he found the old newspaper clippings about him, he suspected he wasn’t really Paul, as he didn’t look like the rest of his family. He took a dna test and went from there.
This is so sad. But I'm so glad they found their bio son before he passed away. This whole saga is more convoluted than a Lifetime movie. Hope the dude finally solved the family mystery
What a good looking man. I don't understand how they can produce a portrait of what his sister might look like when they know nothing about her but it's his sister. A set of male/female twins must be fraternal and fraternal twins are no more genetically similar to each other than any other siblings.
The siblings may be on social media , if their profiles aren’t set to private anyone (including Paul, you, the FBI or Police) can google them without a warrant, bring up the photos to use as a reference along with Paul’s photo. It is no different then a sketch for a suspect they draw based on the features provided with to come up with a composite.
Wow they actually named their twins Jack and Jill? I feel like that alone was a sign they were half a$$ing it as parents. Glad Jack got a loving set of parents. Too bad his bio-parents weren't held accountable for being garbage.
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Thank God he ended up with the “right” parents. They raised a wonderful son.
Except he was living the real Paul's life who was sold by the kidnapping fake nurse. =(
Thank god???? Thank god for letting him kidnap?
@@samboudarboe1776 his real parents abandoned him, these parents adopted him and raised him
@@samboudarboe1776 watch the video moron
Shelley. Surely if god is eternal and all-knowing, then besides starting these wheels in motion, God himself created the circumstances in which Jack and Jill were kept in a cage by their relatives. You have to agree that god knew a million years ago about the child abuse, harm, cancer, and murder of this story. And god approved of it and let it happen. Your idea of a god is worse that the Rosenthal's relatives who kept children in a cage. Your god designed a system where almost every single human that ever lived loses their mother. You think that he is the author of morality. The invisible man who watches you pee.
Abandoned in his pushchair. Turned out to be the best thing that happened to him. He got a mother who loved him - he seems like a together guy. She is his mum - but I hope he finds his twin.
I admire Paul/Jack for his tenacity to find his twin Jill. He’s obviously a wonderful person. I plan to keep him in my prayers.
Yes, I so admire his perseverance and that he was able to put bio Paul in touch with his mom before his passing (tragic also). Clearly bio Paul's mom who raised him, was involved in the kidnapping. I wonder if she is still alive. I just hope Jill is out there somewhere waiting to be found by her loving brother.
His poor parents.Their lives were turned inside out,and upside down.
You keep working on that plan
@@rajs7876 eu too? My goodness that’s wonderful!
Let me know how those prayers work out for ya.
The people who raised him obviously did an amazing job. He appears to be a wonderful person. I hope for him that he finds the answers he needs.
The fact his family (biological) refuse to give him any info or even speak to him is utterly disgusting and honestly makes me think the worst. They know something, and are hiding it. I have family who have done evil things, and my other family members will 100% know, yet turn a blind eye. I care enough for the people around me to rat those awful people out, even if they are family. Better if they are, so they can get help.
Fr bro is that was my brother I would be trying to help him
if they're hiding something they're 100% in on it whatever vile things the biological parents did they did or helped them do it too
Well, apparently they knew he was being abused and if they let it happen and did nothing not surprised they want no contact. They’d have a lot of questions to answer
This is tragic for the guy who died of cancer. He found closure, but he never had a real chance to get to know his own biological parents before dying.
Im happy his biological parents abandoned him
He grew up loved by his parents
And what a handsome man! His parents raised a successful well spoken person - that was the best thing that could have ever happened to him!
But in the other hand because they believed that they found their missing child they stopped looking for him and their real son was raised by the kidnappers and wasn’t really successful if you see the house he lived. As a mom both cases are heartbroken.
Abandonment is never a happy thing. My dad left me when I was small. It's a sucky feeling, growing up knowing you weren't wanted by a parent.
Disco Biker....yes, that must be awful. It certainly isn't your fault.
@@discobikerAndRosie I'm sorry for what happened to you. I pray you're doing ok. God bless you
I’m so glad that Mr. Batey got to talk to his biological mother before died. Poor Mrs. Fronzac and her deceased husband had already had a stillborn then had their baby stolen. I just hope the Bately family can offer some clue’s to the puzzle. And I hope Jack finds closure.
Very strong chance Batey "mom" was the original kidnapper. Sad that his real mom didn't get time with him 😔😔
@@FaithandNova It certainly does seem like it was the Batey mom. She must be deceased or the law could go straight to her. She must of had a really serious problem since kidnapping was a Capitol offense. Shame on anyone that knows anything and doesn’t come forward. But I do understand Mr. Batey was too ill to deal with it.
I sure hope we will get the whole story one day. But it’s doubtful. Why in the world would anyone want to protect this woman ( even though she is deceased) who caused such grief for her own gain. Maybe a lot of the people are dead that could remember when Mrs. Batey turned up with this baby boy. Someone along the way had to be suspicious! We will see, huh! Would make a great movie!
Me too 😥
He's so handsome, everybody is in love with him from the first video.
Yup he sure is, hope he finds out what happened to his sister, he’s a good man working to find the real Paul
yes
Yes beauty accounts for a lot in the media
Weird
So?
Screw those other siblings that wont talk to him
They just know their parents was evil
If they are anything like the parents perhaps it is for the best.
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What is that all about?
Reminds me of the West family in England they all stuck together when their dad killed their sister.
he turned out to be OK and I hope he can find his sister, he was very lucky to end up in a loving family, I hope the real Pauls' life wasn't too difficult.
For him. Not for the stolen baby =(
Thankful he was abandoned and was cared for by a loving family. Such a handsome man.
Unfortunately the real missing Paul has different life 😢
The woman who raised Kevin Baty was the kidnapper. Her name was Lorraine Fountain and she has passed away. She doesn’t get to pay for her crime! I hope Paul/Jack can find his sister Jill. His story is fascinating but equally horrific to me. I admire him a lot for his determination to get justice for his sister Jill.
Thats a shame she dead I would of like to here her story
Apparently Ms. Fountain raised her kidnapped son to be a kind, well-adjusted man.ay she rest in peace, and him also.
@@malindaallen718 Maybe he was well adjusted because of the man who raised him or it was just his inner goodness. His non-biological mother had a sketchy life and her other children suffered because of her. To never to disclose to him that he was not her biological child is evil. Twice the evil because she kidnapped him. It is in the hands of the FBI now.
Its not very nice those other brothers and sister dont tell Jack about there lives and put him in the lope I hope he finds his twin sister
This is the textbook definition of GENERATIONAL TRAUMA! How sad that this trauma affects more than one family. I hope they find his closure.
Oh my heart goes out to this man. Imagine going through all this and then having his siblings refuse any contact. What is wrong with people? I hope you find Jill.
Especially being sisters. You would think if they had children themselves they'd understand.
Another commenter said it might be bc they were also heavily abused and do not want to open up to the traumatic memories. It is sad for him but is also their right to do so if this is the reason. My brother and I were seperated after we got out of our abusive home and we also do not have contact. We saw each other one time but it is simply too hard. And in addition: we never had the chance to establish a bond. You do not have an automatic bond with your biological sibling. Maybe twins do but surly not "normal" siblings at least from my experience. We are strangers to one another exactly like Paul/Jack and his siblings. I do hope that he finds Jill or at least finds out what has happened to her.
Have a nice day! 💖
They were likely abused and neglected too and since they were not adopted, they grew up to have distinctional lives themselves.
Not to mention they probably know very little or nothing, considering he was only 2 when he was abandoned.
Mez, sometimes a painful situation turns out better than the original situation. Some people have zero business having kids. I was SO happy when my "mother" had a hysterectomy in her 40s. My first thought was, Oh thank goodness, she can't hurt any more kids.
@@merylsilverburgh8081 normal siblings indeed have bonds.. but like you said you were abused and your take on sibling bonding backs that fact up perfectly. You’ll never heal properly because you’d rather run away from the trauma, you can bury it but it will not be a healing experience when burying /anything/ just a mere bandage over a old unclean wound. If it’s “working” for you, meaning as long as you remain strangers with your blood relative you function as a normal human being; so be it.
At least the biological Paul was able to talk to his biological mother before he passed away. This story is sad. Nobody has the right to messed up a babies' lives. These things only happens on TV series and should remain that way.
The abandonment was a blessing. He was better off with his new parents.
The timing of Kevin Baty's death is so unfortunate. My niece's brother found his family the day after his Mum died 😭
Thanks for posting part 2
Why doesn’t Paul’s family want to have contact with him? Are they covering the murder of his sister, Jill?
Family business can be a touchy subject.
Something isn't right who wouldn't want to know their sibling maybe he's better off they might all be nuts
It’s really unfortunate. I agree with Ursula that it was probably for the best. The family members of abused children wanting nothing to do with one of them. They are troubling & repugnant people and at least he has loving parents who cherished their child 💕
@@ursulamullikin4723 I agree. By luck he stumbled into a family who loved him.
@@ursulamullikin4723 If you read the article at 1;17 it said his sisters Sharon and Karen were 2 and 1 when he & Jill were born, so when he left at 2 they were 4 and 3, so I doubt they had any idea what happened and thus, they don't want to get deeper into what was a bad childhood, while he had a loving one, where he grew up.
Wow, that is an interesting story. I may have to read his book. It was a good thing they were removed from the home and cage. Can't imagine why the family wouldn't want to help him.
There is a longer version of this where he explains more in detail the people he spoke to in the bio family and they all sound very dysfunctional and dodgy, so he is better off that he escaped them.
If you read the article at 1;17 it says his two older sisters were 2 and 1 when he and Jill were born, so they would have been 4 and 3 when he was abandoned, so I'm sure they knew nothing of it. While he went to a loving home, apparently they stayed in a dysfunctional situation.
Shame
Sometimes family is a curse! I hope and pray he finds his twin and other worthwhile family members!
I hope he finds her 😔
What a blessing that he was abandoned and ended up in a good family. He appears to be a healthy, erll-adjusyed man
I dont understand for the life of me, why would his siblings not want to welcome him into the fold. There has to be an answer to his quest.
It was such a dysfunctional family, obviously. They are probably still living dysfunctional lives.
Because they are hiding something
Most likely because they are life losers and embarrassed for what dirtbags they became..
Obviously some of his relatives knew he and his sister were abused, neglected and kept in a cage and did nothing to help those two babies. They don't want the truth to come out.
@@ambermcqueen8623 Unfortunately that's probably true. Often times people won't want to reach out or allow people in if they are ashamed of themselves.
Why wouldn't his biological siblings want anything to do with him? That's odd to me.
They are probably not good ppl.
@@FaithandNova yeah, I'd have to agree. Unless there's something legal preventing them... Very unfair for his path to closure.
They may be too traumatized by childhood abuse
@@heidih3048 Totally could be.. I feel even though alot of traumatized people still tell their stories, but we may truly never know. Telling your story can make you a stronger person. Sounds selfish in a way... A mystery we may never find out. Especially him. 😔
@@tiaryan1350 I was thinking of someone I know who was abused long term physically and mentally as a child. He is literally a recluse and refuses to see anyone, even those he knows care about him. He says severe social anxiety is preventing him from being able to see anyone or speak on the phone, and he only rarely communicates by text, mostly with one word answers, if anything at all.
I was just imagining that the siblings in this story might be similar to him. Or they may not want a reminder of their childhood. Or they may be embroiled in drug/alcohol problems and not thinking straight.
Bless you, Paul/Jack, in your journey to find the truth.
WOW that's some story. I hope he does keep looking for his sister. He seems like a wonderful brother.
Amazing detective skills, Paul (Jack). This story is so interesting, but it also obviously has a lot of pain involved in it. He's been so successful in his search so far, I have a lot of faith that if anyone is able to solve all this, it's him. Hopefully others could join in an help him out? Anyone who has any skills that could help towards his search?
I would test. If I knew how to reach him. My parents always said I wasn't theirs. I even overheard relatives say that I was not theirs. I'm east coast. I was treated like I was not theirs. I don't even feel like I'm theirs. Spent my whole life being the outsider of my family. Very different than a black sheep. I was not the black sheep of the family. I was just the outsider. My parents died before I could get them to test. They both said they would. Then they change their mind.
@@StillYHWHs reach out to the news channel. Also, you can test it’s simple your parents don’t need to be alive for you to get a test done. You can test with your family to see if you’re related.
Like it was last week, I recall the Fronczak Baby Case since I was a child living in the Chicago suburbs at the time. The reports were that a uniformed nurse was the prime suspect. Artist's sketches were circulated and some of us were, for a while, scared of starched white clad nurses. I know it sounds ridiculous now, but we were very young & impressionable. As a mother, I can only imagine the agony the Fronczaks endured. The silver lining: after this, major security changes were made in hospitals to protect newborns.
This is so fascinating! I am going to read the book. I hope they keep updating!
Such a lovely man. I hope he's doing OK ❤️
Crazy how much you like the composite. Not sayin its you just that you look similar.
@@brandy2378 I had to watch it back, I wasn't sure who you were talking about 🤣 I see the similarity. Definitely. I was born in 72 in Europe. I hope he finds her. Bless him ❤️
Jeez. I hate to say this, but if one twin thinks the other is dead, then she probably is dead 😢
"He actually talked to my mom. a few times"
That tells me he had a beautiful childhood with them
'Jack' Paul Fronzac is good looking. Nice hairline
Very handsome
Yes he is, and what a cute child he was too.
Paul is a wonderful person. I'm glad he found a good family. I just wish that he had found his sister.
I'm from Michigan, not too far from Manton, but no connection, other than my mama had me in 1964. These things happened a lot back then. What a sad story. I remember when this man's story first broke. What a tragedy.
What a sad, complicated story. However, I'm glad that the truth is finally coming out, and I hope this man finds comfort and resolution in discovering the rest of his and his sister's stories. . . .
I remember this story I was in high school my father was a Chicago police detective he told us about this.
I hope that Jack finds peace and closure to all he seeks. What a shame he has to go through that.
Shame on those family members who won't help. I hope he finds his twin sister...alive!
I really hope the real Paul had a good life. It seems doubtful since he was likely raised by a kidnapper and got cancer. People who have hard/ bad lives die younger of diseases. It's like your body says I'm sad, I've been here a long time in this sadness and I'm just ready to be done. 💔
I'm glad that Paul/Jack got a good family after all he'd been through and that his new parents got to hold a little child that they could love and could at least pretend to be reunited with their original beloved.
I'm guessing Jill probably was killed, and honestly it probably wasn't even the parents that "abandoned" him. It was probably more like a rescue. The parents likely killed one twin and someone wanted to give the other one some small chance in hell. And it worked by some miracle.
He doesn't even remember being locked in cages. How lucky is that?
Parents who abuse and lock kids in cages rarely abandon them by what I've seen. No, they are power and control freaks who thrive on sadism. They'd rather kill them off than release their victims since they view them as subhuman property.
It could have been an aunt or uncle or sibling, even a neighbor. He wasn't apparently reported missing, so maybe someone was supposed to "dispose" of him and didn't. Either way it was very, very lucky for Paul/Jack. It looks like he's done very well and fulfilled his potential without memory of abuse. You can't ask for more than that, whatever your circumstance or lineage.
The FBI is probably raising their eyebrows at your comment. They may want to ask you some questions.
Wow what an amazing story....and he seems so "together " as a person even though abused as a wee boy ! Wow it shows what love can do ! And besides all that is he terribly handsome to boot ! God be with him and bless all the rest of his days
What an amazing person. I would love for him to be part of my family.
this is incredibly sad to me at just about every level, what kind of people live in this world that would do this to children is beyond me
Wow! What a sad and crazy story. Truth really is stranger than fiction.
This guy must’ve been a detective in a former life.. Good on him for getting to the bottom of it 👍🏽👍🏽✌🏽
That's my question. Who kidnapped the baby, 'baby Paul " from the hospital, and how did the lady who raised him end up with him? Was she the kidnapper? Lots of questions still
I got terribly confused with this story. So many twists and turns! So who is he?!
Anyway, he is so handsome & aged like fine!
What a bunch of jerks !! Why would they refuse to have contact with Jack . They did you favor man! These people are obviously screwed up in the head ! You look like and educated , sophisticated intelligent man. God blessed you with your adopted parents !
Has Paul Fronczak’s mother gotten acquainted with her biological grandchildren?
@@sroy9789 I meant grand children. My bad.
No, David Fronczak (her youngest son) has publicly declared that Kevin's children will not reach out to her.
@@rebeccasunflower what a bunch of jerks. Their “grandparents” are kidnappers they should not want contact with them if they are still alive.
Why are they "jerks?" Life doesn't operate so neatly and regardless of the circumstances, they are strangers. They may simply want to allow sleeping dogs lie and move on with their lives.
@@FourSeasons04 they are jerks because they stole a baby that’s why dumbass.
How tragic. But I give this man a lot,of!credit for trying to figure things out. I wish him success.
Fascinating! I need the rest of the story.
i remember seeing paul franczak being stolen. was in the chicago paper a lot when i was just a kid
When children are bought up in chaos they don’t always make good siblings, I am sorry to say. I am one of 6 but prefer only one of my siblings, the others much like the parents....
I feel bad for Kevin but also in a way am happy for Paul that he became a part of a family with good parents and that he turned out to be a good person.
It would be beyond amazing if they ever found out what happened to Jill. 😮
This story is so sad 😭 but also happy in a way. He was lucky to be brought up by loving parents. What is really sad is the other man who was the real Paul not ever have spent time with his real family. I admire this guys determination to find his sister and the truth. I think they could make this into a movie. It’s so dramatic. I just hope they can find some peace and happiness with all party involved.
George Knapp A REAL Journalist......WOW!!! And he is STILL on the case. Mr. Knapp is one of a kind....
Don’t understand why his real siblings don’t want to meet him.
Very strange behavior.
"SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
I needed this closure
Paul /Jack is so freaking handsome
This story was on the news so many years back from 2022. They said 2013. I'm glad there's an update here. I hope things get solved.
I'm sorry his other relatives refused to talk with him.
You would think his other siblings would be so happy to find him but instead they turn their backs on him what a shame 😪
It's called "SEVERE childhood trauma". Waaaaaaay worse that any PTS you can imagine, I'm sure. Poor little guys, they never asked to be born. I'm sure their entire life has been a struggle. Compassion for these guys.....is more appropriate.
@@lovetotrav makes sense 😪
This is why I believe in life after death (the good side and the bad side) all unsolved mysteries, you'll find the answers then.
So, Jack was able to connect Mother and Son, while he wasn't able--Jesus..😢
Holy crap! Fate saved his life....and I hope he gets all that!
Great job!!!!
Appreciate this guys persevearence in his SISTER'S SEARCH👏👏
Unbelievable!!!!!! This story is very deep. The one who they thought was Paul is truly blessed!!!!!!!
Heard of this story on George Knapp show or Coast to coast, fascinating detective work!
I could so see this whole case being adapted into a film one day.
The lack of humanity in his biological parents is truly demonic!
Wow what a terrible family to not want to know him, they are probably misfits and societies bottom feeders. He is better off without them.
If you read the article at 1;17 it said twins Jack and Jill were born on Oct 27, the birthday of their older sister Sharon who had just turned 2, and their sister Karen was born the previous January, making her 9 1/2 months old. While Jack ended up at 2 in a wonderful home, we can only guess the dysfunctional life Sharon and Karen had. At ages 4 and 3, I doubt they knew anything about where the twins went.
I know it's hard to understand their not wanting to speak to him. Still, if he and Jill were abused, it's likely the siblings were just as brutally treated--and they never escaped. Who knows what story those vile parents told them? If the siblings are screwed up now, I can sort of see how they might resent Jack/Paul for living a normal, relatively privileged life with a good family. It's totally illogical but whatever tight bonding they did to survive growing up in that household, maybe they're too protective right now to let him in. It's all very sad.
@@kirajlerner... and it might not have been what you said. There are lots of scenario's. But to deny a sibling without even trying is disgusting.
@@lyndamac1058 why would you even say that absolutly no information on thr family except that they were abused? Smdh.
I know it’s real and a sad story but damn this is like a movie and it’s really good and has a lot of plot twists and cliff hangers it’s like a whodunnit mixed with a drama
It seems the universe cared for him enough to give him to the family that lost their son. I do not think I could turn my back on a child I raised as mine and loved. So I’m sure his “Fronzac” family love him as theirs.
Love, light and blessings be with them all.
I am a foundling, so I can understand why the bio-fam said no. God bless all of them 💖
What do u mean?
I am only familiar with the term when a woman from the Philippines ran for Presidency. She was also a foundling. She lost the race due to people questioning her citizenship.
@@sweetlifemis1346 A foundling is a baby that was abandoned somewhere and someone found them. It's different than regular adoptions because foundlings have nothing at all to go on. There's no record of them at all.
So jack was left on a sidewalk and giving to a different family. He was saved by a chain of events.
The baby that was kidnapped talked to his real mom before he passed away..
and then jacks real parents both died..
Jack is still looking for Jill , to find out they were both in a cage his chilling..
Sad story and I hope all find peace. 🙏🙏🙏
I hope he finds his sister, so sad about the "real" Paul but at least he got to connect to his mother. I hope that the other siblings will change their minds and want to get to know their brother. Its good he never had the memory of the abuse to haunt him growing up. The best things those people did was abandon him so he could know real love
What a bizarre and sad story. Anyone else notice that the real Paul died of cancer the day after his birthday!!?? 😳
What’s weird is he may have dated his sister at some point and never knew it. With all the twists and turns in his story, anything like that is possible. Ppl have married their siblings and never knew it.
This idea reminds me of the plot from the game “12 Minutes.” If you have the chance, play or watch the game on RUclips. It has SO many twists.
At least, both stories weren’t a tragic, like many others...
ummm confused af
Basically, the Fronzack's baby named Paul was kidnapped from the hospital. Two years later, the police said they found him and so they raised the found baby as Paul. But the baby the police found was actually an abandoned child named Jack, who found out about his real identity when he grew up. The real Paul had been found but had died of cancer.
@@ellanica so who raised the real Paul? and didn't the fake guy parents knew that he was not their kid? Like he's very handsome and doesn't look anything like his dad? So the guy who died was the fake guy real parents?
@@sevenbeauty6502 From what I read in this case (and take it with a grain of salt), the real Paul, now known as Kevin Baty, was kidnapped by a woman who wanted a baby. That woman's family is not talking, because they don't want to admit that she did a crime. Imagine being raised by someone you thought as your mother only to realize years later that she kidnapped you.
This all happened when DNA tests didn't exist yet, so the police had a hard time looking for the baby. Also, the parents probably assumed that fake Paul looks like some other relatives, etc. I mean, you don't have to look like your parents to be their biological child.
And yes, they guy who died was the fake guy's real parents.
@@ellanica the Paul in this video siblings doesn't want contact with him. Maybe they remember the abuse or they aren't good ppl themselves
@@sevenbeauty6502 Paul was a newborn when he was kidnapped, and they found the abandoned child two years later. He had the same ears and blood type as Paul. For a family who was probably afraid their child was dead and was praying everyday he’d be found, they were probably only to happy to believe he had been. Jack was raised as Paul in a loving home, but said in a different interview that when he found the old newspaper clippings about him, he suspected he wasn’t really Paul, as he didn’t look like the rest of his family. He took a dna test and went from there.
I Wish I Had a Handsome Brother Like Him Hateful Sibling's.
This is so sad. But I'm so glad they found their bio son before he passed away. This whole saga is more convoluted than a Lifetime movie. Hope the dude finally solved the family mystery
Hope he and his twin can reunited as soon as possible. They separated for too long.
confusing as to why the siblings won't respond
What is wrong with those siblings, I wonder? I know I'd love to meet a long lost brother or sister.
I really hope he finds his twin sister. Those other siblings are horrible for not wanting to talk to him.
I really needed a drink after watching this 2nd video of him.
It was a blessing that his identity was mistaken…saved him from further abuse!
I couldn’t imagine having a sibling reach out to me and I tell them that I don’t want to meet them.
I don't understand why his siblings won't be nice to him. Some people are so rude.
He was loved
Police can't solve his case. So he's going solve it himself.
Thank heavens he ended up growing into a beautiful man!
What a good looking man. I don't understand how they can produce a portrait of what his sister might look like when they know nothing about her but it's his sister. A set of male/female twins must be fraternal and fraternal twins are no more genetically similar to each other than any other siblings.
The siblings may be on social media , if their profiles aren’t set to private anyone (including Paul, you, the FBI or Police) can google them without a warrant, bring up the photos to use as a reference along with Paul’s photo. It is no different then a sketch for a suspect they draw based on the features provided with to come up with a composite.
@@TravelingBibliophile OK. But that has nothing to do with the point I made.
I hope that Paul's mom has been in touch with her grandchildren in Michigan.
This is hideous. Why would his siblings reject him? What terrible people.
I really hope he finds Jill and she is ok.
Wow they actually named their twins Jack and Jill? I feel like that alone was a sign they were half a$$ing it as parents. Glad Jack got a loving set of parents. Too bad his bio-parents weren't held accountable for being garbage.