Manufacturers should just put the loft number rather than the club number since the club numbers are kind of meaningless now. Imagine the days when you'd swing after your playing partners, and you'd ask "what iron did you hit?" That question would be irrelevant now. How about reviewing the Cobra King CB/MB irons in the future?
I actually disagree because loft isn’t the only thing that determines ball flight. These irons might be crazy strong lofted, but I bet their launch and descent angles as well as their spin rates aren’t that far off from a “normal” iron. Lower CG adds spin and adds launch angle, so Cobra have probably figured out that 27* creates similar launch conditions that their prior game improvement 7 irons did, and that’s why they chose that loft
Yeah he keeps talking about spin but those balls are flying high and will have stopping power from angle of descent. Txg talks about that all the time.
I dare a club manufacturer to put A, B, C, D...on the bottom of the clubs just to call out the ridiculousness. I think it's about time to just put the lofts on the bottom ala wedges..
I'm 67 years old (play to a 5 handicap, was as low as a 2 last year) and I play the Callaway Rogue X irons, which are strong lofted. My 7 iron is lofted at 27*. I LOVE these irons. They are long, they are forgiving, yet, I can work the ball left to right or right to left as needed. These irons also deliver plenty of height so I have no trouble stopping these clubs on the green. My average total distance with the 7-iron is 175 yards, which is a full 15-20 yards longer than the previous irons I had (Callaway X20's). I also play the Callaway Rogue X hybrids (6, 5, 4 & 3).
@@clarb027 why? There has never been a standard and the number is for the player using thems information only to aid club selection. Most 5i are around 22, my 6 iron is 24. None of it matters.
@@clarb027That’s ridiculous! I’m another low handicap player that has a 29 degree 7 iron! So what, stop being a snob about golf! Who cares what irons someone plays and what loft it is! Let see you get high and distance as you age with your highbrow 34 degree butter knife!
I’m not a golf snob at all 😂 It seems to have been just a marketing strategy - “look how much further you hit it!”..When they’ve just cranked the loft. There was a ‘standard’ ish for a while. Personally, I think standardisation makes things easier but I know I’m in the minority OR as said, move to loft on the clubs instead of numbers. I never say anything unless someone chirps up, commenting something like how they’re hitting an 8i when I’m using my 6i or whatever. Thennn, I would ask what loft their club is lol
@ If your asking about a loft, you ARE a snob! WHO CARES! Who cares about a number on a club or how far someone hits it. Just play your ball and play quickly! Keep your nose out of other people’s business!
Just bought a set of the older version of these, and I bought 5i-GW instead of 4i-PW to compensate for the strong lofts. When you ignore the number on the bottom - you just hit a club/loft for a distance. My old 8i is my new 9i... etc. I really like my gapping when I utilize the GW instead of the 4i.
I think the point that is being missed about stronger lofts is that instead of taking a 7iron from your normal range, you can take a 9 iron instead, which should theoretically be easier to hit due to shaft length. The number on the club is irrelevant. Just add more wedges to fill the gap at the higher end.
These irons aren't for someone with Rick's swing. These are going to be an option for a slower swing speed player, who is often out to in swing path with an open face, fairly sweepy, and generates a few more degrees of delivered loft. Most average golfers don't realize delivered loft is the key metric, not the stated loft on the head. And delivered loft can easily change 5-6 degrees between different players. Rick tends to be on the low-side of delivered loft, since he pushes his hands forward, has a in to out path, and always gets a bit flippy with his hands and turns the head over. As Rick says at the very end, this is for the high, right, and flaired up players, which is a big % of the market.
If Rick was a real educational golfer he would tell his audience this. The companies must hate that he never acuratley reps the technology they spends months working on. 90% of golfers re-spew the crap he talks at the golfclub
but i still find these clubs very misleading with their numbers. why not just stamp the numbers correctly? seen many high handicappers who buy these sets which have PWs of 44 degrees and their next club is a 52* A wedge. and now their shot game is a mess due to the gapping nightmare. plus most company fitters etc will try and sell you a set by making you hit a 7 iron which is a 6 iron loft and showing you a dramatic increase in distance. plus these clubs due to their lofts tend to be very unreliable with some very hot shots
I love all the reviews, I do wish you would make a video on PXG clubs, they are always stating they are the best period! as a Veteran myself I have PXG clubs, and I always wonder how they stack up to other golf brands and clubs. Just a thought maybe take this in consideration someday. Great job as usual on your reviews. You are the best and most honest!
I got the pxg gen 7 p irons. Great fitting and clubs. I’ve tried a lot of the players distance irons. They are my favorite with srixon zx5 and cobra forged tec right behind (played the 22s have not tried these new ones).
I got fitted for and bought a set of Orka RS10 CB irons! Traditional lofts and I was hitting them a club longer than the i210’s (also fitted) that had “power” lofts to get the flight & spin windows I needed! Bonuses are they are SO soft & drop dead gorgeous! I was a 30+ year Ping user so it was a bit of a leap of faith!
I have bought quite a few Cobra clubs. It is my favorite brand, but I have learned over time that these clubs will not only be for sale, but it won't be long before they are on sale. Cobra is very quick to discount the clubs that don't sell. No need to rush out and buy these clubs.
I agree at 61 I went with the Ping i530 as my new set of irons. Looking for a bit more. As a 10 handicap I took a free rounds for me and the Arccos to catch up with the loft of those clubs. I carry my 7i. 165. The fitting was the most important. My shaft choice Elevate MPH shaft gives me more height with out sacrificing spin
Rick, I have the first-generation Cobra Forged Tec X irons, and my set makeup when I purchased them was 6i through GW because that was more like a 5i through PW in any other super strong lofted game-improvement irons. I did add the 5 iron in the Forged Tec X irons to my bag at a later date (I purchased the 6-GW set more than 20 months ago, and added the 5i in early 2024). However, that 5i actually flies too far to comfortably fit into my set makeup because I play a 21* #4 hybrid and I hit both clubs about the same distance (186-195 yards), but the 4 hybrid flies higher and stops quicker. I am 75 years old and have NEVER hit a 5 iron more than 185 yards, unless I caught a “flyer” from the rough or thinned one badly.
Hi, You finally mentioned the height near the end. If the club hits it high in relation to the distance then the loft is correct and the spin number is much less important. P.S. stop trying to hold off your release to reduce your pull/hook. Cock your wrists up in the backswing which will take your club more outside without disconnecting your arms and body.
I think when companies go so low with the loft is because they're trying to compensate for the dynamic loft the average golfer delivers at impact. My brother doesn't play golf often, he's a high handicapper. He's playing the Ping i210s, but always coming short. We went on holiday and played a round of golf with some QI irons, (ping 7 iron loft = 33, QI 7 iron = 28) and his game improved, and he was carrying his 7 iron around 160 which is good for his level. At home using his Ping irons he's hitting it 140. Because he scoops the ball more often than hitting down on the ball, the lower lofted clubs help compensate for the dynamic loft he delivers in his swing. It's not for everyone, but I do understand why companies do it.
I own the previous generation of these in the Forged Tec X. I don't really care which number is on the bottom of the club. I have 5i-GW which if you think about it is comparable to most 4i-PW sets loft wise. They're great clubs, forgiving, long and feel really good.
These lofts are the same as my Callaway Mavrik irons, my 7i is 27° and my PW is 41°, that I bought in May of 21. I’m in my 60’s so my 7i goes 165 and PW is 130.
As a golf professional, I’m finding less and less people are getting fit for 4,5 and even 6 irons because they get more forgiveness out of hybrids that are almost identical lofts. I have a feeling long irons won’t be in a lot of “bad” golfers bags anymore
The biggest issue with these sets is not that the lofts are jacked way up, it's that they give you the wrong set of clubs. Most stores sell the set from 5-PW, but if you buy that set you get issues with gapping in both ends of the bag. You end up with a 5 iron that goes about as far as your 4hybrid or 7wood, and you very quickly end up with a 20-30 yard gap between your PW and GW. Most people getting these irons would probably be better off with getting them from 6i to AW with the lofts they are at, but every online store in my area only sells these clubs from 5i-PW.
Great post. They should almost be a 6i-SW. PW=44 AW=50 SW =56. If someone wants to switch out of the 56 to a more traditional SW that would be okay, but they would then lose some of the forgiveability that this set is aiming towards. Could option a 5-iron and 4-iron but traditionally most would transition into more hybrids at that point.
I bought king tec last month, I love them. I don't think they are a low spin irons, I can hit my 5 to the green and hold the green, almost stops where it pitches. Everyone hit the ball differently. Went from 23 handicap to 19 in a month.
It's been commented on prior, but there is a purpose for the forgiveness of these clubs. If someone has high swing speed but cannot hit a more blade-style iron as consistently, maybe they use these clubs. If they are 160 yards out, instead of using an 8-iron like many, they can use a PW or 9-iron. The spin numbers aren't perfect, but sometimes that isn't as important as a consistent strike. I think Rick isn't looking at the shots correctly here. He is focused on how low a 7-iron is and the distance. I think he needs to look at comparing these clubs to what he normally would hit from 190-200 out. Are the spin numbers on a Tec 7-iron comparable to his 5 or 4-iron in his regular set?? If so, maybe they are actually set up really well for some people. I think others are making a great point that companies should focus on putting a loft number on the bottom of the club instead of a number. It would help keep different sets more comparable. If companies are really trying to keep the designs minimalistic, they could put a smaller loft stamp on the back of the clubs. Would still allow for a clean sleek look.
I love Rick's channel and videos. I love his reviews. But here, Buckseyy, you are 100% right. There are really strange thoughts people are sharing in this thread of responses. Nobody should care what number is on the bottom of the club. What matters is distance height and spin of a particular club. And if a 7 in this set is easier to hit than what some might call a more traditional 5 iron -- and it goes the same distance, and presumably higher -- the only reason a person wouldn't try these is pride or some kind of strange attachment to traditional ideas about what clubs should have what loft. Seriously, we are going to critique a club by comparing its specs to a spec of Tiger's club from many years ago? Since when should ANY of us compare ANY of our specs to Tiger's during his prime? And yes, I get that if you push the lofts, the player who cares about precision may find gapping issues at the lower end of the bag, but that is a different topic that is easily settled with an extra wedge. Bottom line, too many comments about "that loft is too strong," without comparing apples to apples. We must NOT compare the spin and height numbers of two 7 irons. Instead, if this 7 iron goes 185, Rick should compare the spin and height of whatever club he currently hits 185. Seems obvious.
Yeah my buddy has Wilson irons that are about 5 degrees stronger that my old TaylorMade R9 TP irons ( 34• for a 7 irons). He hits them about 15 yards further than mine, but I don't care: I know my distances, and I weighted them progressively from heel to toe throughout the bag, with 1gr lead tape to get perfectly straight ball flight. I have them 15 years now, they're just part of me, extensies of my arms.
I have the 2022 Forge Techs. Yes they have the stronger lofts, which why I put a high launch graphite shat in them. They are butter in the hands and gaining a bit of the lost distance at 68 years of age is a plus when they launch high and land soft.
Thats fine and all but why use 14 clubs then? 6 irons and 5 wedges? If a business is creating a bag where you only need 5-6 irons thats like selling less products and that doesn't make sense from their standpoint. I'm just looking at it from the whole
I have the cobra speedzone irons, they're boosted lofts too, sometimes I can use my 5 iron and hit it just as far as my mates do with their driver or 3 wood lol
Are we able to start seeing the swing speed on these shots? Feel that would help a lot of people know what they may expect themselves if they swing a similar swing speed to you Rick!
How does peak height compare between a more forgiving iron and a traditional player’s iron? Additionally, how do peak height and descent angle versus spin factor into stopping power when approaching pins at 140, 160, 180, and 200 yards? For example, if a Forged Tec X 7-iron carries 195 yards with a 105’ peak height, 4,400 RPM spin, and a 45° descent angle, how would that compare to a player’s 5-iron achieving the same 195-yard carry with a 95’ peak height, 4,800 RPM spin, and a 42° descent angle? Launch angle would be interesting to have in the comparison as well! I’m curious to see how these numbers stack up when selecting a club for a given distance-especially in terms of accuracy and holding the green. Appreciate the insight! Cheers!
There’s 2 new Cobra DS adapt irons coming out in Jan. The DS Max is SOOOO jacked. I watched a workmate of mine hit the new 7i 220m. THAT’S. 240yds. 😂😂😂
My wife’s Cobra ltdx set arrived last week and we went to the range to test it. I could not believe that I hit that 8 iron as far as my Callaway 7 iron until I checked the specs and realised the lofts…😮
I’d like you to compare spin rates with those stronger lofts Bryson always talks about how he’s strong loss and weak loss things to hit ideal spin rates for that specific club
Super strong lofts for higher handicappers never made much sense to me. Sure, you might get more distance, but only if you can get the ball in the air for long enough - something higher handicap players struggle with.
The two things I'm interested in as a high handicapper is forgiveness and distance which these ones have in abundance. Most of the time I'm not going for the greens with a 7 iron so as long as they are going some distance and left and right within reason I'd be happy. You should've put these in the hands of a higher handicapper to get their thoughts.
Despite manufacturers claiming they decrease lofts to compensate for the low and rear COG making the ball easier to launch the issue is that rear and low COG only gets you so far. Loft still matters and below about 24 to 25 degrees, or a 6 iron in many sets like this, the average sub 90 MPH iron swinger doesn't generate enough speed to use anything weaker than their 7 iron or maybe the 6. Sure, they might get the ball in the air but the gaps become compressed. As a few others here have mentioned in a strong lofted set such as this ad others like it the st makeup should really start at 6 iron and add an extra wedge rather than an extra club in the form of a 5 iron on the long end that most don't hit more a few yards farther than their 6 iron as the loft dips to around 21 or 22 degrees. So, yeah, if the 6 iron 24 or 25 degrees then the set should be 6 through GW and AW. At least get the set up to 50 degrees on the short end. A traditionally lofted 8 club set would typically get you 24 thru 52 degrees or a seven club set 24 thru 47 or 48 degrees. That allowed you the option to add a matching gap wedge or to use specialty gap and sand wedges while on the long end you could usually get a matching 21 degree iron if you could hit it or you could start your long end with a 7 wood or hybrid. I don't care what you call the club but at least give my a loft spread that doesn't force me into something too low to be useful and then I have to discard an iron I was forced to buy but don't want to or can't use. And don't force me to buy more than two additional wedges to get through sand wedge.
combo hybrid sets are start to be more common, but your average old golfer still wants his 4/5iron as hybrids threaten his manhood! i play with 80 year olds that swing their 3 woods 65mph! they will never learn.
Rick you should do a video on the technology in golf club especially drivers. We were just talking about this yesterday on the course about what golf club manufacturers are going to do now that they seem to be maxed out with the 10K MOI. How are they going to convince people that they are making the latest and great technology now?
I think they should get rid of numbers on the bottom of the club and change them to loft degrees. My buddies hit 7 irons and I’m hitting a 5 iron because I play traditional lofts and they are all on these new lofts.
In regards to how high it flies and how quick it stops I wonder if it could be related to your swing in specific because i have p790s i carry the 7i around 175 and the ball consistently flies super high and stops maybe 2 feet forward of the divot. My playing partners have all told me separately my ball flies higher than theyve ever seen. Also could be course related im sure on super hard pga greens it could be a bit different.
Different ball could help with spin rates I’ve played strong lofted irons as well as forged CB irons and had to play different ball between the 2 to help with spin rate
The thing that doesn’t get considered by reviewers when testing these strong lofted clubs is that for a higher handicapper, they can hit a PW or 9 iron if they are 140 yards away rather than having to hit a 7 iron. Therefore they can get more height, it’s easier to control and likely to be more accurate. I bet if someone were to test a mid handicapper with a strong lofted 7 iron like this vs a less forgiving traditional lofted 5 iron, the dispersion and consistency would be better with the 7 iron. Plus in the UK, the greens are fairly soft (or wet) most of the year so there’s not as much of an issue with getting the ball to stop in time
The biggest issue I see in the Tec-X is that PW at 42°. If you're a new-ish golfer buying this set and a "normal" 52/56/60 wedge set to complete a bag, you'll probably have a 10° loft gap. If you're buying these, you almost need to find a 46° wedge and a 50/54/58 set. Outrageous!
Rick, big fan of the review videos. I have a request, can you make a video comparing matte golf balls vs normal balls. Currently, I play prov1s and volvik vivid… my scores are dramatically lower with the volvik balls. Ball flights are higher and 100% straighter with the long clubs using the volvik. Is this a thing or just my dumbass golf game???
I really struggled with the previous generation forged Tec x. Possibly the lowest launching lowest spinning iron I’ve ever hit. This iron is made for one of two players. Player one is someone who delivers a massive amount of excess loft and spin at impact and most likely has average swing speed. Player 2 is someone who has very high swing speed and is able to actually generate enough spin for the ball to climb despite its low loft. Not sure what cobra are doing here. Seems like this is a small segment of players, maybe I’m wrong
I got fit for these 2 years ago the forged tec x. However I'm finding as I've been improving the u predictability of the distance is killing my game. But I'm not sure if it's time to upgrade to further drop my handicap. I started at 31 and I'm down to 23 now.
@@paulstephenson5815 Lofts have been getting stronger ever since we began using numbers instead of names for clubs in the late 1920s. 7 irons were originally around 44° and the 8 iron was the most lofted club in the UK. I like the 40° 7 iron as it falls in perfect 4° steps with a 56° SW, 52° PW, 48° 9 iron, etc all the way to a 20° 2 iron. These lofts were pretty common from the late 1950s to the end of the 1960s.
Yes because when they fuck the balls up they will crank the loft even more. The average player hits it no where and courses generally getting longer so most people need the help. not all but most
The issue is with these strong lofts it just requires a 5th wedge and then it defeats the purpose of hitting it further because now the 7 iron is in the 6 iron position of the bag
The Tec-X set needs a 10 iron... I will say, though, that while I'm not a strong-loft-hater (I understand and appreciate the physics and club design around launch), I do wonder where there's a tipping point where it starts hurting higher handicaps. I have a set of Ping i e1 irons, which are not even that strong by these standards (32* 7 iron), but visually when you put a strong 7 iron down by the ball and see no/low loft on the club, it can also be a bit intimidating. It looks like you've got a 4 iron next to the ball and that despite your logical self's knowledge about the inner weighting of the club, nothing's going to get it in the air. At a certain point, I worry that could cause some people to flip the club at the ball to try and subconsciously add loft to get the ball in the air.
Surprisingly, I got fitted for last year's forged TecX and hate the feel. Changed tge fitted KBS graphite to KBS steel light and still bad. Rick, aside from lofts, how do these new ones compare to last year's? What shaft were u using?
I’m still rocking the Fly Z Pro’s. I’ll be upgrading to the P770’s or P7CB. I hate the juiced up lofts.. I feel like I’ll only need like a 7-P in the bag. Ridiculous
As someone who does club fittings I often feel like Cobra handcuffs themselves with getting mid-high handicap golfers into their products. The amount of times I’ve had a custom try the previous King Tec/Tec X & the current Darkspeed irons and have sub 4200 RPM backspin is insane, I can’t legitimately tell customers to buy them as I know in the real world these irons will be useless on the course… The only time I fit customers into Cobra products is when I have a better player in and they’re looking at their CB/MB or King Tour range as at least I know they have sensible lofts!
Here is my thing with this. People will call it a 5 iron….but it has a modern day 7 iron shaft length. So the question to me is, is it easier to hit then a 5 iron? I have always thought that cobra should go this direction with the one length idea, but have 2 lengths. 9 iron through wedges one length (standard wedge)and 8 iron up another length(7 iron).
Don't know that I agree about the looks. The angles and edges are definitely styled after the King MB and CB irons. BTW did you add the Limit3d to the bag?!
Could you try testing some cheap used clubs that are from the 2010s? I play a 15 year old Nike set of irons and I love them, would be interested to see how they compare to a brand new 2024 set
Ive started ignoring Iron numbers when searching for new Irons, I play a set of Wilson irons from the late 1960's currently, and had them measured for loft, my Irons are exactly one club off from modern player bladed Irons (my 7I is a modern 8I) and so on. my shopping tactic now has been to find clubs with lofts that line up with my current 2I-PW set I play just with a different number on the bottom, funny enough, my PW is a modern Gap wedge in terms of loft at 52* and my 2I is 20* personally id like to see a return to more traditional lofts because with some game improvement Irons the 4I is a traditional 2I, why not just label it a 2I if its going to be 20-21* in loft, jacked up lofts are just a marketing gimmick that has gone so far we will soon see bags with 5 wedges and 4 Irons instead of the more traditional 3 wedge bags
The stronger loft is link to people not been able to compress proprely there ball. If you put this in someone who have a good compression you will see a launch angle of a 5 iron but in the hand of the average golfer, you will see a launch angle of a 7 iron. Not a lot of spin but someone with low compression will not have a ton of spin anyway
I have the cobra tec x , but now i play the takomo cb301, iron 7 34°. I lost distance, but i have more pleasure to play this club. It is also difficult to do a aproche with the cobra (8/9/P), the loft is too strong
My cobra Aerojet one length 7 is 26.5 degrees. So little different, slightly more lofted. Then my 8 is 32 degrees, 9 is 36 degrees. The 6 is 24 degrees. So it may simply be correction by cobra to even up their gapping.
The lofts on the X are very strong thats true. But Rick why are you comparing the spin numbers on a Cobra X 7 Iron to another sets 7 iron?? you won't be hitting the same shot with both clubs. Compare the spin numbers to the club you hit a similiar distance. So if you hit the X 189 compare the spin numbers to the club you hit 189. That is a more valid comparison. Since those are the clubs that would go head to head. Also keep in mind, that 7 iron may be lofted like a 5 but it is still on a 7 iron shaft, which is easier to swing. One of the problems with "long irons" is they are longer shafted, making the swing more difficult. I have the Cobras. I probably gained 10 yards of distance up and down the bag, but I didn't lose accuracy. I think this is because the club shaft didn't get longer. I did change balls to one that gives me more spin because I did feel like I lost some of that in the exchange. Overall I've dropped from a 15 to a 10.5 this year. And while I can't say dedfinitively its all the clubs, I will say when I'm standing at 165yds and hitting an 8 iron, I feel alot more confident than I did previously pulling out a 6 iron. And anyone who plays knows confidence matters.
I feel my irons are strong lofted but these are off the chart. For example i have some taylormade m2s and the 4i is 19⁰, the 7i is 28.5⁰ with a pw at 43.5⁰. Probably made to fit the multi wedge setup.
Is the purpose of the ball being further forward in your stance with long irons not to help get the ball in the air? And if so if you’ve got a stronger lofted 7 iron would you play this further forward in your stance?
I think RIck knows this, but loft is not the only issue that determines distance. Most 'game improvement irons are designed to launch the ball, in short the launch angle is higher due to a low centre of gravity. This means that the loft at address needs to be lowered to prevent the ball ballooning and control spin numbers, face tech also has an implication on these equations as well. So the distances clubs deliver is often surprising and NOT based on the loft. Ricks shock at 29.5 degrees is surprisning ince he has ofetn praised the P790's which are just 1 degree higher than that. Guess the reason this is the headline is theres not much to really say about the clubs themselves.
Seven iron is my lowest iron in the modern clubs ie 7-gap wedge. I carry 52, 56 and 60 wedges. The set came with six but I took it out for an additional wedge. P
Those lofts are stronger than the 'G' Rick pronounces at the end of the word strong.
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Manufacturers should just put the loft number rather than the club number since the club numbers are kind of meaningless now. Imagine the days when you'd swing after your playing partners, and you'd ask "what iron did you hit?" That question would be irrelevant now. How about reviewing the Cobra King CB/MB irons in the future?
Hogan tried that and everyone hated it lol
It would work for me, but by my experience, that would confuse the hell out of the majority out on the links.
The Cleveland Launcher UHX irons had number and loft on theirs and I think it looks good
@@chrisvenn2825 I agree. It does look good. The truth is most people don’t care what the loft is
I actually disagree because loft isn’t the only thing that determines ball flight. These irons might be crazy strong lofted, but I bet their launch and descent angles as well as their spin rates aren’t that far off from a “normal” iron. Lower CG adds spin and adds launch angle, so Cobra have probably figured out that 27* creates similar launch conditions that their prior game improvement 7 irons did, and that’s why they chose that loft
Some stats that are missing here are peak height and angle of descent. Really important if you're concerned about holding greens.
Yeah he keeps talking about spin but those balls are flying high and will have stopping power from angle of descent. Txg talks about that all the time.
Not sure what gcquad he has but you need the max for those stats in the sim
@@tpw13 i have both of those stats on my GC3, so I'm pretty sure all GCQuads have them.
I fear the educated amoung us trying to correct Rick horribly uneducatuion clickbait video info will never reach the idiot masses.
Those irons won't hold shit
Number on the bottom of the club is meaningless. If the clubs work for you and you know your distances play what works for your game.
I dare a club manufacturer to put A, B, C, D...on the bottom of the clubs just to call out the ridiculousness. I think it's about time to just put the lofts on the bottom ala wedges..
Clubs should just be numbered by loft and not some made up number. The Tec X come in One Length versions so that's nice.
Would you not exceed 14 clubs trying to cover distances
Peak height is good and spin will be more off grass people forgot this when testing prob add on 500 easy
Exactly. I don't understand what the big deal is. A 33 degree iron will go about 160 for me. Why do I care if the number on the bottom says 7 or 8?
I'm 67 years old (play to a 5 handicap, was as low as a 2 last year) and I play the Callaway Rogue X irons, which are strong lofted. My 7 iron is lofted at 27*. I LOVE these irons. They are long, they are forgiving, yet, I can work the ball left to right or right to left as needed. These irons also deliver plenty of height so I have no trouble stopping these clubs on the green. My average total distance with the 7-iron is 175 yards, which is a full 15-20 yards longer than the previous irons I had (Callaway X20's). I also play the Callaway Rogue X hybrids (6, 5, 4 & 3).
27°!?!? Jeeeeeeesus. That’s only 1° stronger than my set’s 5 iron 😂 there really should be a standard or just get away with iron numbers entirely
@@clarb027 why? There has never been a standard and the number is for the player using thems information only to aid club selection. Most 5i are around 22, my 6 iron is 24. None of it matters.
@@clarb027That’s ridiculous! I’m another low handicap player that has a 29 degree 7 iron! So what, stop being a snob about golf! Who cares what irons someone plays and what loft it is! Let see you get high and distance as you age with your highbrow 34 degree butter knife!
I’m not a golf snob at all 😂 It seems to have been just a marketing strategy - “look how much further you hit it!”..When they’ve just cranked the loft.
There was a ‘standard’ ish for a while. Personally, I think standardisation makes things easier but I know I’m in the minority OR as said, move to loft on the clubs instead of numbers. I never say anything unless someone chirps up, commenting something like how they’re hitting an 8i when I’m using my 6i or whatever. Thennn, I would ask what loft their club is lol
@ If your asking about a loft, you ARE a snob! WHO CARES! Who cares about a number on a club or how far someone hits it. Just play your ball and play quickly! Keep your nose out of other people’s business!
27⁰ 7 iron, so basically a 5 iron with a 7 stamped on the bottom. Marketing for you. 😂
True, but keep in mind the Cobra X 7 iron is also on a shorter shafted club then a 5 iron making it easier to swing.
No, it's not because the shaft length is a traditional 7 iron, so it is easier to control.
@@Super3xtr4eh they're 37.25", which is the same as my 6 iron.... 1 club longer length, 2 clubs stronger loft.
Dont be uneducated all your life, it does not have the trajectory/spin or decent angle of a 5 iron.
People are so stupid about strong lofts after all these years still. Unreal
Just bought a set of the older version of these, and I bought 5i-GW instead of 4i-PW to compensate for the strong lofts. When you ignore the number on the bottom - you just hit a club/loft for a distance. My old 8i is my new 9i... etc. I really like my gapping when I utilize the GW instead of the 4i.
I did the same thing and for the same reason. Its worked out great
I think the point that is being missed about stronger lofts is that instead of taking a 7iron from your normal range, you can take a 9 iron instead, which should theoretically be easier to hit due to shaft length. The number on the club is irrelevant. Just add more wedges to fill the gap at the higher end.
Yup, I play AI smokes and PW is 42* so have an A and G wedge to compensate!
If you listen to Bryson he refers to degree of loft, way more often than the number / name of the club.
If I’m not mistaken, the cobra dark speed is also a 27 degree 7 iron. Rick tested those already, why all the fuss
Only the golf snobs fuss about the degree iron someone ELSE plays! Who cares! I’m a single digit player and play GI irons with a 29 degree 7 iron!
These irons aren't for someone with Rick's swing. These are going to be an option for a slower swing speed player, who is often out to in swing path with an open face, fairly sweepy, and generates a few more degrees of delivered loft. Most average golfers don't realize delivered loft is the key metric, not the stated loft on the head. And delivered loft can easily change 5-6 degrees between different players. Rick tends to be on the low-side of delivered loft, since he pushes his hands forward, has a in to out path, and always gets a bit flippy with his hands and turns the head over. As Rick says at the very end, this is for the high, right, and flaired up players, which is a big % of the market.
If Rick was a real educational golfer he would tell his audience this. The companies must hate that he never acuratley reps the technology they spends months working on. 90% of golfers re-spew the crap he talks at the golfclub
These would be a disaster for a slow swing player. They wouldn't get the ball in the air.
but i still find these clubs very misleading with their numbers. why not just stamp the numbers correctly? seen many high handicappers who buy these sets which have PWs of 44 degrees and their next club is a 52* A wedge. and now their shot game is a mess due to the gapping nightmare. plus most company fitters etc will try and sell you a set by making you hit a 7 iron which is a 6 iron loft and showing you a dramatic increase in distance.
plus these clubs due to their lofts tend to be very unreliable with some very hot shots
I love all the reviews, I do wish you would make a video on PXG clubs, they are always stating they are the best period! as a Veteran myself I have PXG clubs, and I always wonder how they stack up to other golf brands and clubs. Just a thought maybe take this in consideration someday. Great job as usual on your reviews. You are the best and most honest!
I would love Rick’s take on XXIO Primes.
I got the pxg gen 7 p irons. Great fitting and clubs. I’ve tried a lot of the players distance irons. They are my favorite with srixon zx5 and cobra forged tec right behind (played the 22s have not tried these new ones).
I got fitted for and bought a set of Orka RS10 CB irons! Traditional lofts and I was hitting them a club longer than the i210’s (also fitted) that had “power” lofts to get the flight & spin windows I needed! Bonuses are they are SO soft & drop dead gorgeous! I was a 30+ year Ping user so it was a bit of a leap of faith!
I have bought quite a few Cobra clubs. It is my favorite brand, but I have learned over time that these clubs will not only be for sale, but it won't be long before they are on sale. Cobra is very quick to discount the clubs that don't sell. No need to rush out and buy these clubs.
Golf is on a difficult 1 year cycle! but if you want custom fit you aren't getting a deal ever.
I agree at 61 I went with the Ping i530 as my new set of irons. Looking for a bit more. As a 10 handicap I took a free rounds for me and the Arccos to catch up with the loft of those clubs. I carry my 7i. 165.
The fitting was the most important. My shaft choice Elevate MPH shaft gives me more height with out sacrificing spin
Rick, I have the first-generation Cobra Forged Tec X irons, and my set makeup when I purchased them was 6i through GW because that was more like a 5i through PW in any other super strong lofted game-improvement irons. I did add the 5 iron in the Forged Tec X irons to my bag at a later date (I purchased the 6-GW set more than 20 months ago, and added the 5i in early 2024). However, that 5i actually flies too far to comfortably fit into my set makeup because I play a 21* #4 hybrid and I hit both clubs about the same distance (186-195 yards), but the 4 hybrid flies higher and stops quicker. I am 75 years old and have NEVER hit a 5 iron more than 185 yards, unless I caught a “flyer” from the rough or thinned one badly.
Hi,
You finally mentioned the height near the end. If the club hits it high in relation to the distance then the loft is correct and the spin number is much less important.
P.S. stop trying to hold off your release to reduce your pull/hook. Cock your wrists up in the backswing which will take your club more outside without disconnecting your arms and body.
FYI Rick hit Takomo's 101 PW (Same loft as the King Tec) 131-135 with 9200 rpm of spin. in comparison to 132-137 with only 8200rpm of spin.
and you can buy 2 takomo set´s for the price of one set of cobra´s
Can you review the Cobra King Tours? Probably more your speed, and a really good sleeper option
I think when companies go so low with the loft is because they're trying to compensate for the dynamic loft the average golfer delivers at impact. My brother doesn't play golf often, he's a high handicapper. He's playing the Ping i210s, but always coming short. We went on holiday and played a round of golf with some QI irons, (ping 7 iron loft = 33, QI 7 iron = 28) and his game improved, and he was carrying his 7 iron around 160 which is good for his level. At home using his Ping irons he's hitting it 140. Because he scoops the ball more often than hitting down on the ball, the lower lofted clubs help compensate for the dynamic loft he delivers in his swing. It's not for everyone, but I do understand why companies do it.
They look like the cobra mb, which I've wanted from cobra for forever. I'm buying these bad boys !! Yes, Finally! Great job Cobra !!
Well, I am not Tiger Woods and I really enjoy my Wilson D9 with the 7 Iron having 27° loft.
I just bought these Cobra King Tec-X a couple of weeks ago and I love them but these are game improvement irons. Great review Rick.
I own the previous generation of these in the Forged Tec X. I don't really care which number is on the bottom of the club. I have 5i-GW which if you think about it is comparable to most 4i-PW sets loft wise. They're great clubs, forgiving, long and feel really good.
These lofts are the same as my Callaway Mavrik irons, my 7i is 27° and my PW is 41°, that I bought in May of 21. I’m in my 60’s so my 7i goes 165 and PW is 130.
As a golf professional, I’m finding less and less people are getting fit for 4,5 and even 6 irons because they get more forgiveness out of hybrids that are almost identical lofts. I have a feeling long irons won’t be in a lot of “bad” golfers bags anymore
Would love to see you review the PXG irons. Black Ops, Gen 6 0311s, and 0317s.
The biggest issue with these sets is not that the lofts are jacked way up, it's that they give you the wrong set of clubs. Most stores sell the set from 5-PW, but if you buy that set you get issues with gapping in both ends of the bag. You end up with a 5 iron that goes about as far as your 4hybrid or 7wood, and you very quickly end up with a 20-30 yard gap between your PW and GW. Most people getting these irons would probably be better off with getting them from 6i to AW with the lofts they are at, but every online store in my area only sells these clubs from 5i-PW.
Great post. They should almost be a 6i-SW. PW=44 AW=50 SW =56. If someone wants to switch out of the 56 to a more traditional SW that would be okay, but they would then lose some of the forgiveability that this set is aiming towards. Could option a 5-iron and 4-iron but traditionally most would transition into more hybrids at that point.
I bought king tec last month, I love them. I don't think they are a low spin irons, I can hit my 5 to the green and hold the green, almost stops where it pitches. Everyone hit the ball differently. Went from 23 handicap to 19 in a month.
It's been commented on prior, but there is a purpose for the forgiveness of these clubs. If someone has high swing speed but cannot hit a more blade-style iron as consistently, maybe they use these clubs. If they are 160 yards out, instead of using an 8-iron like many, they can use a PW or 9-iron. The spin numbers aren't perfect, but sometimes that isn't as important as a consistent strike. I think Rick isn't looking at the shots correctly here. He is focused on how low a 7-iron is and the distance. I think he needs to look at comparing these clubs to what he normally would hit from 190-200 out. Are the spin numbers on a Tec 7-iron comparable to his 5 or 4-iron in his regular set?? If so, maybe they are actually set up really well for some people.
I think others are making a great point that companies should focus on putting a loft number on the bottom of the club instead of a number. It would help keep different sets more comparable. If companies are really trying to keep the designs minimalistic, they could put a smaller loft stamp on the back of the clubs. Would still allow for a clean sleek look.
I love Rick's channel and videos. I love his reviews. But here, Buckseyy, you are 100% right. There are really strange thoughts people are sharing in this thread of responses. Nobody should care what number is on the bottom of the club. What matters is distance height and spin of a particular club. And if a 7 in this set is easier to hit than what some might call a more traditional 5 iron -- and it goes the same distance, and presumably higher -- the only reason a person wouldn't try these is pride or some kind of strange attachment to traditional ideas about what clubs should have what loft. Seriously, we are going to critique a club by comparing its specs to a spec of Tiger's club from many years ago? Since when should ANY of us compare ANY of our specs to Tiger's during his prime?
And yes, I get that if you push the lofts, the player who cares about precision may find gapping issues at the lower end of the bag, but that is a different topic that is easily settled with an extra wedge.
Bottom line, too many comments about "that loft is too strong," without comparing apples to apples. We must NOT compare the spin and height numbers of two 7 irons. Instead, if this 7 iron goes 185, Rick should compare the spin and height of whatever club he currently hits 185. Seems obvious.
Yeah my buddy has Wilson irons that are about 5 degrees stronger that my old TaylorMade R9 TP irons ( 34• for a 7 irons).
He hits them about 15 yards further than mine, but I don't care: I know my distances, and I weighted them progressively from heel to toe throughout the bag, with 1gr lead tape to get perfectly straight ball flight.
I have them 15 years now, they're just part of me, extensies of my arms.
I was eyeing up a set of Cobra forged tech x at my local golf store, then I saw the lofts. ⛳️
I have the 2022 Forge Techs. Yes they have the stronger lofts, which why I put a high launch graphite shat in them. They are butter in the hands and gaining a bit of the lost distance at 68 years of age is a plus when they launch high and land soft.
My Miura MB 101 5i has 27 degree of loft!!
My 7 iron (Titleist) is 35.
Lofts are fine. Problem is people get obsessed with the number at the bottom. Numbers there to identify the club.
Thats fine and all but why use 14 clubs then? 6 irons and 5 wedges? If a business is creating a bag where you only need 5-6 irons thats like selling less products and that doesn't make sense from their standpoint. I'm just looking at it from the whole
I have the cobra speedzone irons, they're boosted lofts too, sometimes I can use my 5 iron and hit it just as far as my mates do with their driver or 3 wood lol
Are we able to start seeing the swing speed on these shots? Feel that would help a lot of people know what they may expect themselves if they swing a similar swing speed to you Rick!
How does peak height compare between a more forgiving iron and a traditional player’s iron? Additionally, how do peak height and descent angle versus spin factor into stopping power when approaching pins at 140, 160, 180, and 200 yards?
For example, if a Forged Tec X 7-iron carries 195 yards with a 105’ peak height, 4,400 RPM spin, and a 45° descent angle, how would that compare to a player’s 5-iron achieving the same 195-yard carry with a 95’ peak height, 4,800 RPM spin, and a 42° descent angle?
Launch angle would be interesting to have in the comparison as well!
I’m curious to see how these numbers stack up when selecting a club for a given distance-especially in terms of accuracy and holding the green. Appreciate the insight! Cheers!
There’s 2 new Cobra DS adapt irons coming out in Jan.
The DS Max is SOOOO jacked.
I watched a workmate of mine hit the new 7i 220m.
THAT’S. 240yds. 😂😂😂
My wife’s Cobra ltdx set arrived last week and we went to the range to test it. I could not believe that I hit that 8 iron as far as my Callaway 7 iron until I checked the specs and realised the lofts…😮
I’d like you to compare spin rates with those stronger lofts Bryson always talks about how he’s strong loss and weak loss things to hit ideal spin rates for that specific club
I remember you liked the Wilson D7 that came out a years ago. My 7 iron is 28 degrees lol
Super strong lofts for higher handicappers never made much sense to me.
Sure, you might get more distance, but only if you can get the ball in the air for long enough - something higher handicap players struggle with.
All the tech in those clubs is made to get the ball higher, you are thinking about nothing but static loft.
Spin is king. 6000 minimum for a 7 iron.
The two things I'm interested in as a high handicapper is forgiveness and distance which these ones have in abundance. Most of the time I'm not going for the greens with a 7 iron so as long as they are going some distance and left and right within reason I'd be happy. You should've put these in the hands of a higher handicapper to get their thoughts.
Sad that there isn’t a +\- 3° from standard 36° in the old days.
The loft on my original Wilson LaunchPad 7 iron is 30deg.
Despite manufacturers claiming they decrease lofts to compensate for the low and rear COG making the ball easier to launch the issue is that rear and low COG only gets you so far. Loft still matters and below about 24 to 25 degrees, or a 6 iron in many sets like this, the average sub 90 MPH iron swinger doesn't generate enough speed to use anything weaker than their 7 iron or maybe the 6. Sure, they might get the ball in the air but the gaps become compressed. As a few others here have mentioned in a strong lofted set such as this ad others like it the st makeup should really start at 6 iron and add an extra wedge rather than an extra club in the form of a 5 iron on the long end that most don't hit more a few yards farther than their 6 iron as the loft dips to around 21 or 22 degrees. So, yeah, if the 6 iron 24 or 25 degrees then the set should be 6 through GW and AW. At least get the set up to 50 degrees on the short end. A traditionally lofted 8 club set would typically get you 24 thru 52 degrees or a seven club set 24 thru 47 or 48 degrees. That allowed you the option to add a matching gap wedge or to use specialty gap and sand wedges while on the long end you could usually get a matching 21 degree iron if you could hit it or you could start your long end with a 7 wood or hybrid. I don't care what you call the club but at least give my a loft spread that doesn't force me into something too low to be useful and then I have to discard an iron I was forced to buy but don't want to or can't use. And don't force me to buy more than two additional wedges to get through sand wedge.
combo hybrid sets are start to be more common, but your average old golfer still wants his 4/5iron as hybrids threaten his manhood! i play with 80 year olds that swing their 3 woods 65mph! they will never learn.
I had to search a while during a fitting last spring for irons with “normal” lofts. Ping Blueprints/i230 combo set, 33* 7 iron.
I have the old callaway razr x forged and the 7 is spec’d at 35* haha. These strong lofts are crazy.
Yeah I stick with my p7mc .. tighter options in the scoring zone .. some of the cobras loft vs loft are 2 clubs stronger
As I hit a very high (draw) iron ball flight I think these might be great for me actually!
Rick you should do a video on the technology in golf club especially drivers. We were just talking about this yesterday on the course about what golf club manufacturers are going to do now that they seem to be maxed out with the 10K MOI. How are they going to convince people that they are making the latest and great technology now?
My brother in law had the 22 Forged tecs (hcp 15) and is gaming them perfectly.
Fancying sending a black Vessel staff bag to The Netherlands 🚀😍?
Yes. My PXG PW is 42° which is a 9i in every other brand.
I think they should get rid of numbers on the bottom of the club and change them to loft degrees. My buddies hit 7 irons and I’m hitting a 5 iron because I play traditional lofts and they are all on these new lofts.
This really points out just how old my clubs are… my 7 is 36° 😳
In regards to how high it flies and how quick it stops I wonder if it could be related to your swing in specific because i have p790s i carry the 7i around 175 and the ball consistently flies super high and stops maybe 2 feet forward of the divot. My playing partners have all told me separately my ball flies higher than theyve ever seen. Also could be course related im sure on super hard pga greens it could be a bit different.
Different ball could help with spin rates I’ve played strong lofted irons as well as forged CB irons and had to play different ball between the 2 to help with spin rate
I have the king tech from 2022 and I would agree very strong but I found in my fitting the dispersion for me was 7 yards closer than the p790
The thing that doesn’t get considered by reviewers when testing these strong lofted clubs is that for a higher handicapper, they can hit a PW or 9 iron if they are 140 yards away rather than having to hit a 7 iron. Therefore they can get more height, it’s easier to control and likely to be more accurate. I bet if someone were to test a mid handicapper with a strong lofted 7 iron like this vs a less forgiving traditional lofted 5 iron, the dispersion and consistency would be better with the 7 iron. Plus in the UK, the greens are fairly soft (or wet) most of the year so there’s not as much of an issue with getting the ball to stop in time
The biggest issue I see in the Tec-X is that PW at 42°. If you're a new-ish golfer buying this set and a "normal" 52/56/60 wedge set to complete a bag, you'll probably have a 10° loft gap. If you're buying these, you almost need to find a 46° wedge and a 50/54/58 set. Outrageous!
Rick, big fan of the review videos. I have a request, can you make a video comparing matte golf balls vs normal balls.
Currently, I play prov1s and volvik vivid… my scores are dramatically lower with the volvik balls. Ball flights are higher and 100% straighter with the long clubs using the volvik. Is this a thing or just my dumbass golf game???
Volvik is most likely flying much higher because its a firmer ball than the ProV1. Straightness could be a spin thing
I really struggled with the previous generation forged Tec x. Possibly the lowest launching lowest spinning iron I’ve ever hit. This iron is made for one of two players. Player one is someone who delivers a massive amount of excess loft and spin at impact and most likely has average swing speed. Player 2 is someone who has very high swing speed and is able to actually generate enough spin for the ball to climb despite its low loft. Not sure what cobra are doing here. Seems like this is a small segment of players, maybe I’m wrong
I got fit for these 2 years ago the forged tec x. However I'm finding as I've been improving the u predictability of the distance is killing my game. But I'm not sure if it's time to upgrade to further drop my handicap. I started at 31 and I'm down to 23 now.
The Callaway Epic Forged from 2019 was already at 27°
In my book a 7 iron should be 40°
😂 7 irons were originally 35 degrees
@@paulstephenson5815 Lofts have been getting stronger ever since we began using numbers instead of names for clubs in the late 1920s.
7 irons were originally around 44° and the 8 iron was the most lofted club in the UK.
I like the 40° 7 iron as it falls in perfect 4° steps with a 56° SW, 52° PW, 48° 9 iron, etc all the way to a 20° 2 iron. These lofts were pretty common from the late 1950s to the end of the 1960s.
Yes because when they fuck the balls up they will crank the loft even more. The average player hits it no where and courses generally getting longer so most people need the help. not all but most
Clever marketing perhaps to get folks to buy the distance and also fill the bag with much more wedges to fill gaps?
The issue is with these strong lofts it just requires a 5th wedge and then it defeats the purpose of hitting it further because now the 7 iron is in the 6 iron position of the bag
The Tec-X set needs a 10 iron... I will say, though, that while I'm not a strong-loft-hater (I understand and appreciate the physics and club design around launch), I do wonder where there's a tipping point where it starts hurting higher handicaps. I have a set of Ping i e1 irons, which are not even that strong by these standards (32* 7 iron), but visually when you put a strong 7 iron down by the ball and see no/low loft on the club, it can also be a bit intimidating. It looks like you've got a 4 iron next to the ball and that despite your logical self's knowledge about the inner weighting of the club, nothing's going to get it in the air. At a certain point, I worry that could cause some people to flip the club at the ball to try and subconsciously add loft to get the ball in the air.
Surprisingly, I got fitted for last year's forged TecX and hate the feel. Changed tge fitted KBS graphite to KBS steel light and still bad.
Rick, aside from lofts, how do these new ones compare to last year's? What shaft were u using?
Everyone is chasing more distance so all the clubs are getting stronger. It’s not a bad thing but it will get harder to stop balls on greens
I’m still rocking the Fly Z Pro’s. I’ll be upgrading to the P770’s or P7CB. I hate the juiced up lofts.. I feel like I’ll only need like a 7-P in the bag. Ridiculous
That follow-through is very Luke Donald-esque.
Good, fair review, as always.
As someone who does club fittings I often feel like Cobra handcuffs themselves with getting mid-high handicap golfers into their products. The amount of times I’ve had a custom try the previous King Tec/Tec X & the current Darkspeed irons and have sub 4200 RPM backspin is insane, I can’t legitimately tell customers to buy them as I know in the real world these irons will be useless on the course…
The only time I fit customers into Cobra products is when I have a better player in and they’re looking at their CB/MB or King Tour range as at least I know they have sensible lofts!
Here is my thing with this. People will call it a 5 iron….but it has a modern day 7 iron shaft length. So the question to me is, is it easier to hit then a 5 iron? I have always thought that cobra should go this direction with the one length idea, but have 2 lengths. 9 iron through wedges one length (standard wedge)and 8 iron up another length(7 iron).
If you can get over the numbering issue… like your pitching wedge is actually a 9 iron and 7 iron is a 6 iron then they seem like good irons.
Don't know that I agree about the looks. The angles and edges are definitely styled after the King MB and CB irons. BTW did you add the Limit3d to the bag?!
Could you try testing some cheap used clubs that are from the 2010s? I play a 15 year old Nike set of irons and I love them, would be interested to see how they compare to a brand new 2024 set
A comparison video between the king tec and the 790s would be interesting
Do Sub 70 next please Mr Shiels! Irons and putter ... been gaming them and they're so nice
need to have rick play 9 with these types of clubs.
Ive started ignoring Iron numbers when searching for new Irons, I play a set of Wilson irons from the late 1960's currently, and had them measured for loft, my Irons are exactly one club off from modern player bladed Irons (my 7I is a modern 8I) and so on. my shopping tactic now has been to find clubs with lofts that line up with my current 2I-PW set I play just with a different number on the bottom, funny enough, my PW is a modern Gap wedge in terms of loft at 52* and my 2I is 20* personally id like to see a return to more traditional lofts because with some game improvement Irons the 4I is a traditional 2I, why not just label it a 2I if its going to be 20-21* in loft, jacked up lofts are just a marketing gimmick that has gone so far we will soon see bags with 5 wedges and 4 Irons instead of the more traditional 3 wedge bags
The stronger loft is link to people not been able to compress proprely there ball.
If you put this in someone who have a good compression you will see a launch angle of a 5 iron but in the hand of the average golfer, you will see a launch angle of a 7 iron.
Not a lot of spin but someone with low compression will not have a ton of spin anyway
I have the cobra tec x , but now i play the takomo cb301, iron 7 34°. I lost distance, but i have more pleasure to play this club. It is also difficult to do a aproche with the cobra (8/9/P), the loft is too strong
Nice looking clubs
My cobra Aerojet one length 7 is 26.5 degrees.
So little different, slightly more lofted. Then my 8 is 32 degrees, 9 is 36 degrees.
The 6 is 24 degrees.
So it may simply be correction by cobra to even up their gapping.
Rick cobra makes a one length 3 iron Utility that is absolutely amazing. Its a cheat stick. you should try it.
Ricks a regular ol Kyle Berkshire now with those tec x's 😂
Its the year 2050. I pull up to the first tee. Nice downhill 420 yard par 4. Guess I better hit wedge again.
The lofts on the X are very strong thats true. But Rick why are you comparing the spin numbers on a Cobra X 7 Iron to another sets 7 iron?? you won't be hitting the same shot with both clubs. Compare the spin numbers to the club you hit a similiar distance. So if you hit the X 189 compare the spin numbers to the club you hit 189. That is a more valid comparison. Since those are the clubs that would go head to head.
Also keep in mind, that 7 iron may be lofted like a 5 but it is still on a 7 iron shaft, which is easier to swing. One of the problems with "long irons" is they are longer shafted, making the swing more difficult.
I have the Cobras. I probably gained 10 yards of distance up and down the bag, but I didn't lose accuracy. I think this is because the club shaft didn't get longer. I did change balls to one that gives me more spin because I did feel like I lost some of that in the exchange. Overall I've dropped from a 15 to a 10.5 this year. And while I can't say dedfinitively its all the clubs, I will say when I'm standing at 165yds and hitting an 8 iron, I feel alot more confident than I did previously pulling out a 6 iron. And anyone who plays knows confidence matters.
I agree 100 per cent on what you said about Rick comparing spin numbers wrongly.
How many wedges do we need to match those? Are hybrids getting redundant? Many questions..
you should review the cobra king tours
Corporate lofts, it is simply done to make you feel better when people ask "which club was that" ?
I feel my irons are strong lofted but these are off the chart. For example i have some taylormade m2s and the 4i is 19⁰, the 7i is 28.5⁰ with a pw at 43.5⁰. Probably made to fit the multi wedge setup.
Yes
Rick, please get your hands on some Avoda irons and give them a whirl!
Is the purpose of the ball being further forward in your stance with long irons not to help get the ball in the air? And if so if you’ve got a stronger lofted 7 iron would you play this further forward in your stance?
I think RIck knows this, but loft is not the only issue that determines distance. Most 'game improvement irons are designed to launch the ball, in short the launch angle is higher due to a low centre of gravity. This means that the loft at address needs to be lowered to prevent the ball ballooning and control spin numbers, face tech also has an implication on these equations as well. So the distances clubs deliver is often surprising and NOT based on the loft. Ricks shock at 29.5 degrees is surprisning ince he has ofetn praised the P790's which are just 1 degree higher than that. Guess the reason this is the headline is theres not much to really say about the clubs themselves.
Seven iron is my lowest iron in the modern clubs ie 7-gap wedge. I carry 52, 56 and 60 wedges. The set came with six but I took it out for an additional wedge. P
As previously said: A 7 iron with that loft is "not" a 7 iron. It has the loft of my 5 iron! The manufacturers should just put the loft on.