Thank you Bobby for this. Just bought the waves ssl ev2. Seems to be really cool. I've got the c4. It does everything I need it to do. My fav waves plugin that I own is def prob the ssl Gbus comp. Thing is a beast. Lol
Dude thank you! I wanted the H compressor but already spent too much money on plugins this season and I was bummed that I couldn't get it. So cool; a compressor that sinks with beat interesting feature. Can't wait to work with it. thanks again man. Merry Christmas!
Wow awesome news 🙂 Thanks again Bobby for sharing your hidden Waves plugin gems, some of those i've never seen before but seem incredible seeing where and how to use them to get the best results out of them, thanks for your helpful tips. Congratulations on your Waves plugin giveaway, thanks to you and Waves as well, great work & is much appreciated. All the best.
MV2 seems to be very popular among big name mixers. I never thought of it as a hidden gem for that reason. It's definitely one of my favorites. I also love R-Bass, Kramer Tape, and the SSL comp. But those are all pretty popular, I believe.
the problem I always seem to have with MV2 is that it does not have a release button so i always get it out of my chain again. i might give it another go with some (contra)bass.
Dude PIE doesn’t get enough love. There is something happening underneath the hood on that plug-in where it makes the drums pump. But no other compressors sound like it
H-comp is really nice. I put at on my master bus with parallel at 20% along with kissing the needle on the SSL comp. If the mix doesn't sound good with that, fix the mix.
i honestly love almost all my waves plugins and have i got a ton of them! but for vocals i recently got howard benson vocal plugin and man its tons better then my waves cla vocal one!
Would the MV2 work well on a DI bass track before re-amping to keep the bass more consistent especially on parts that are played across multiple strings?
Great video! Keep up the good work. Just got H-Comp and am wondering this. If my release is set to 1 4th of a note, this means it will need X time to return to 0 compression right? Right. So if im having 3dB of gain reduction it will take X time for -3dB to return to 0dB of gain reduction, and that is done in a particular Y speed. But if, at the same X time, im having 10dB of gain reduction it would need a release of much faster Z speed to go from -10 to 0 dBs. So if Z speed is greater than Y speed it means that the release is program depandant, right? Am I getting it right or am I missing something?
Did my experiment and for your info, for the release to be accurate to the rhythmic value it needs around 20dB of gain reduction. In other words, you DO have BPM value as the release but only if you compress in the -18 to -20 range. If you compress around 4-5 dB the gain reduction will be at 0dB in way faster than the given BPM value. Gonna report this in the forum and see what I get.
Great observation! This is true, it will be program dependent. The release envelope shapes are quite complicated which will have an effect like you mentioned. In my experience, it tends to get really close and feel "right" on most sources. But at the end of the day, you need to trust your ears! Sometimes a song can sound better with a little longer or shorter release than what is calculated by this plug-in. Great, great comment! You have a very good understanding of this stuff 🙂 thanks for sharing!
Hey Bobby, I have a question. Are you familiar with the Goly Cross Compressor? It’s a piece of hardware that does a really cool thing. It compresses the low end but then also uses that low end info as a side chain to expand the high end. I was wondering if you knew of a plugin that does this or if you could think of a way to make this happen using existing plugins. I tried figuring it out last night but had a brain fart. Thought you may have some ideas. Thanks my friend!
Whoah! That sounds crazy. Thanks for the question. I have some ideas about how to do this. I do something similar with a gated parallel compressed drum bus that is triggered by my shells... Let me experiment and get back to you!
You should be able to make that happen with a good dynamic EQ like fabfilter pro-q3 or the free tdr nova! Use the sidechain settings. I think you can have a per-band sidechain, which would be necessary to make this work, but I don’t recall for sure
@@psychoticchemist you can’t do this with a regular dynamic eq. There’s a video on the Goly RUclips channel where they explain the effect using a sine wave and some drum samples. It’s something completely different. There may be a way to route a similar type of compression effect but I’m not smart enough to figure it out. Lol
@@davidasher22 if your description is correct, then a dynamic EQ that allows for a separate side chain signal for each band would definitely work as far as I can tell. You set your desired compression on the low end with normal “internal” sidechain (in other words, no sidechain), then you add a bell curve in the positive direction (for expansion instead of compression) on the high end with the sidechain on that curve set to just the low end of the original track
@@psychoticchemist my description is simplified. That’s why I included the name of the processor and where to find the video explainer. There’s also a gearspace thread where you can find more info on the unit and it’s cross compression feature. Here’s a more detailed explanation from the thread though if you don’t want to look it up yourself. - It’s a 2-band EQ: band 1 selectable between 17Hz to 834Hz and band 2 443Hz to 24K; both with variable Q between 0.3 and full spectrum; switchable between bell and shelf modes - The shelf curve can vary between Baxandale style to steep s-curve (see diagram in the manual) - Both EQs have a compressor with amount of compression, attack and release (it’s not clear if these work just on the frequency range of the EQs or some other split. I assume the former. That mean that if there’s no EQ boost, there’s no compression - The Band 1 compressor has a side chain filter, variable in steps up to 234Hz. This affect Band 2. - There is a cross-compression function on each EQ which applies the opposite level of compression to the other EQ. As this can be applied in steps between 2:1 and 1:8 passing through 1:1 ratios. The ratio signifies how much you are inverting and seding to the opposing band. It never flat out compresses the level on the other. This operates independently of the compressors on each band. - plus a few other switchable options The main feature though is the cross compression. This is from the manual.. DYNAMIC SECTION: Standard compression, standard attack and a release, with 3 auto-modes. This is not a generic consumer unit, and I don't believe in restricting the ranges to "fool proof". We give you the option, because going a little off road is sometimes extremely pleasing. If you want play it safe, avoid the yellow and red settings! CROSS COMPRESSION: Inverts the amount of compression done on a band, and injects it to the opposing band at the set ratio. Since you're using the low end to counteract the high end, and vice versa, it can be described is "musical" in a meaningful way. It's also important to note, that use of the cross compression and compression does not exclude each other, so the processing allows for 4 dynamic interactions going on at once. Tip:lf you bypass a band, you can still activate the cross compression. In this scenario, you use the controls for ratio/attack/release exclusively for that. But the explainer video on the RUclips channel is the best explanation.
Great - so the order is DeBreath to remove the breath, so then we can use C6 to make it more breathy. (JUST KIDDING!) 😉 (Thank you for showing this, though - I didn't think DeBreath would do so much, but it's on my list now, after hearing your examples.)
I'll check out your video, but I don't use any of the Waves plugins I own. They've all turned out to be disappointing. Especially the Manny M series. I fell for the bundle discount for a limited time trick - they're awful unless you like harshness.
If it weren’t for the scammy upgrade system that’s basically tricking people into a subscription. I uninstalled all Waves and will not use them anymore.
What are your favorite Waves plugins? Any in this video that were eye opening 👀 ?!?
Thank you Bobby for this. Just bought the waves ssl ev2. Seems to be really cool. I've got the c4. It does everything I need it to do. My fav waves plugin that I own is def prob the ssl Gbus comp. Thing is a beast. Lol
Waves is annoying, how I have to renew product licenses after two years of purchase.
RComp
What's the song in the video?
@@hazeofthegreensmoke505 no you don't
Thank you for the free Hcomp, happy holidays!
MV2 my fav. Upwards make everything more audible, and 'present'. And thenks for the H-comp.
Dude thank you! I wanted the H compressor but already spent too much money on plugins this season and I was bummed that I couldn't get it. So cool; a compressor that sinks with beat interesting feature. Can't wait to work with it. thanks again man. Merry Christmas!
Wow awesome news 🙂
Thanks again Bobby for sharing your hidden Waves plugin gems, some of those i've never seen before but seem incredible seeing where and how to use them to get the best results out of them, thanks for your helpful tips.
Congratulations on your Waves plugin giveaway, thanks to you and Waves as well, great work & is much appreciated.
All the best.
Thank you for the subtitles!! Merry Christmas!!
Sorry! Yt won't auto generate subtitles for you?
Thanks man, great videos and advice 🎉
the H-Comp has been my return buss compressor for a long time, it's very good.
This is a great reminder for all, thanks!
Whose vocals are you using for this demo? Sounds incredibly familiar but I can’t put my finger on who
It's Jonah from Dear Spring: open.spotify.com/album/6VvkVI4pt5yQOXKHEASCMO
Cool video! What's the difference between cranking the Kramer PIE + lowering the input level, and just using it "normally"? Thanks! :)
Cheers for this, Bobby! Ever since I saw your previous video on this compressor, I've wanted it.
The C6 is the most impressive, but my fav is the MV2. I already own most of those.
Thank you! Merry Christmas!
Same to you 🙂
Your tips made all work for more than their prices!
Always room for more frugins
MV2 seems to be very popular among big name mixers. I never thought of it as a hidden gem for that reason. It's definitely one of my favorites. I also love R-Bass, Kramer Tape, and the SSL comp. But those are all pretty popular, I believe.
Yes, Jaycen Joshua and Jack Joseph Puig love using MV2, however, I would say that they are fairly underrated in general sense.
the problem I always seem to have with MV2 is that it does not have a release button so i always get it out of my chain again. i might give it another go with some (contra)bass.
Waves doesn't really have any hidden gems as they're all quite popular, it's just a way to get people to accumulate views on their videos
Kramer tape is gold. Love that plugin, but I feel it is more popular than all these. Thanks for sharing!
I had H-Comp on my Waves profile’s wish list for a while now. I just removed it, thanks for the early Christmas present and happy holidays to you!
Cheers to you 🙂🤘
Curious to check out the sync tip on the H-comp, which I now have thanks to you! Cheers!
This channel is a gem as well 🥵
Great tips. Thanks
Dude PIE doesn’t get enough love. There is something happening underneath the hood on that plug-in where it makes the drums pump. But no other compressors sound like it
I know!!! It lives on my drum bus!
I love all the waves plugin ❤
Awesome! Thanks!
That’s a Dope video.. helped me get a more in-depth understanding of my tools…. Thanks for sharing your experience with waves…
H-comp is really nice. I put at on my master bus with parallel at 20% along with kissing the needle on the SSL comp. If the mix doesn't sound good with that, fix the mix.
Very cool. Was kind of interested in the H Comp because it's got a BPM setting to save me some mathematics time with EDM. 🤓
Lin Multiband compressor is just awesome for the master channel. Along with J37 tape
i honestly love almost all my waves plugins and have i got a ton of them! but for vocals i recently got howard benson vocal plugin and man its tons better then my waves cla vocal one!
Is this song released? The vocals are outstanding!
Yep! It's called stationary. Check out some of their new stuff too! open.spotify.com/album/6VvkVI4pt5yQOXKHEASCMO
H delay is my favorite because you show me how to use it. I’ve used to Just put it on and turn down the Feedback. Thank you.😊
Well Bobby, I'm kinda torn between Center and MV2 as a new favorite. BTW, thanks for the H-Comp, man! You Rock!
Thanks I'll be testing the HCOMP, looks impressive.
wow just tried this kramer pie trick. insane
Thank you very much for all your output firm handshakes to you, have a great Christmas and prosperous New Year
Thank you!
You are more than welcome! :)
greaat content, thanks for the plugin :)
You are welcome! Enjoy!!!
Thanks cornthe HComp advise and for the video too. I like Scheps73 and qclone, great plugins!
Hi) Do you still use Genelec 8030? 😊
Yep! Loving these monitors.
@@RaytownProductions This is cool!
linMB also works great on vocals
Would the MV2 work well on a DI bass track before re-amping to keep the bass more consistent especially on parts that are played across multiple strings?
I would suspect so! I haven't experimented much with that, but it definitely sounds intriguing.
Great video! Keep up the good work. Just got H-Comp and am wondering this. If my release is set to 1 4th of a note, this means it will need X time to return to 0 compression right? Right. So if im having 3dB of gain reduction it will take X time for -3dB to return to 0dB of gain reduction, and that is done in a particular Y speed. But if, at the same X time, im having 10dB of gain reduction it would need a release of much faster Z speed to go from -10 to 0 dBs. So if Z speed is greater than Y speed it means that the release is program depandant, right? Am I getting it right or am I missing something?
Did my experiment and for your info, for the release to be accurate to the rhythmic value it needs around 20dB of gain reduction. In other words, you DO have BPM value as the release but only if you compress in the -18 to -20 range. If you compress around 4-5 dB the gain reduction will be at 0dB in way faster than the given BPM value. Gonna report this in the forum and see what I get.
Great observation! This is true, it will be program dependent. The release envelope shapes are quite complicated which will have an effect like you mentioned. In my experience, it tends to get really close and feel "right" on most sources. But at the end of the day, you need to trust your ears! Sometimes a song can sound better with a little longer or shorter release than what is calculated by this plug-in.
Great, great comment! You have a very good understanding of this stuff 🙂 thanks for sharing!
Hey Bobby, I have a question. Are you familiar with the Goly Cross Compressor? It’s a piece of hardware that does a really cool thing. It compresses the low end but then also uses that low end info as a side chain to expand the high end. I was wondering if you knew of a plugin that does this or if you could think of a way to make this happen using existing plugins. I tried figuring it out last night but had a brain fart. Thought you may have some ideas. Thanks my friend!
Whoah! That sounds crazy. Thanks for the question. I have some ideas about how to do this. I do something similar with a gated parallel compressed drum bus that is triggered by my shells... Let me experiment and get back to you!
You should be able to make that happen with a good dynamic EQ like fabfilter pro-q3 or the free tdr nova! Use the sidechain settings. I think you can have a per-band sidechain, which would be necessary to make this work, but I don’t recall for sure
@@psychoticchemist you can’t do this with a regular dynamic eq. There’s a video on the Goly RUclips channel where they explain the effect using a sine wave and some drum samples. It’s something completely different. There may be a way to route a similar type of compression effect but I’m not smart enough to figure it out. Lol
@@davidasher22 if your description is correct, then a dynamic EQ that allows for a separate side chain signal for each band would definitely work as far as I can tell. You set your desired compression on the low end with normal “internal” sidechain (in other words, no sidechain), then you add a bell curve in the positive direction (for expansion instead of compression) on the high end with the sidechain on that curve set to just the low end of the original track
@@psychoticchemist my description is simplified. That’s why I included the name of the processor and where to find the video explainer. There’s also a gearspace thread where you can find more info on the unit and it’s cross compression feature. Here’s a more detailed explanation from the thread though if you don’t want to look it up yourself.
- It’s a 2-band EQ: band 1 selectable between 17Hz to 834Hz and band 2 443Hz to 24K; both with variable Q between 0.3 and full spectrum; switchable between bell and shelf modes
- The shelf curve can vary between Baxandale style to steep s-curve (see diagram in the manual)
- Both EQs have a compressor with amount of compression, attack and release (it’s not clear if these work just on the frequency range of the EQs or some other split. I assume the former. That mean that if there’s no EQ boost, there’s no compression
- The Band 1 compressor has a side chain filter, variable in steps up to 234Hz. This affect Band 2.
- There is a cross-compression function on each EQ which applies the opposite level of compression to the other EQ. As this can be applied in steps between 2:1 and 1:8 passing through 1:1 ratios. The ratio signifies how much you are inverting and seding to the opposing band. It never flat out compresses the level on the other. This operates independently of the compressors on each band.
- plus a few other switchable options
The main feature though is the cross compression. This is from the manual..
DYNAMIC SECTION:
Standard compression, standard attack and a release, with 3 auto-modes. This is not a generic consumer unit, and I don't believe in restricting the ranges to "fool proof". We give you the option, because going a little off road is sometimes extremely pleasing. If you want play it safe, avoid the yellow and red settings!
CROSS COMPRESSION:
Inverts the amount of compression done on a band, and injects it to the opposing band at the set ratio. Since you're using the low end to counteract the high end, and vice versa, it can be described is "musical" in a meaningful way.
It's also important to note, that use of the cross compression and compression does not exclude each other, so the processing allows for 4 dynamic interactions going on at once.
Tip:lf you bypass a band, you can still activate the cross compression. In this scenario, you use the controls for ratio/attack/release exclusively for that.
But the explainer video on the RUclips channel is the best explanation.
Great - so the order is DeBreath to remove the breath, so then we can use C6 to make it more breathy.
(JUST KIDDING!)
😉
(Thank you for showing this, though - I didn't think DeBreath would do so much, but it's on my list now, after hearing your examples.)
Hahaha don't forget to add MV2 after both of those to make the vocal breaths more intimate 😉
@@RaytownProductions "More intimate?" Great. 🤦🏼♂️ Now I have to put NC-17 warnings on my music! 😳😎
If i have to chose one, it must be waves H-Reverb. But i also like Vocal Rider, and Scheps Omni Channel very much
I'll check out your video, but I don't use any of the Waves plugins I own. They've all turned out to be disappointing. Especially the Manny M series. I fell for the bundle discount for a limited time trick - they're awful unless you like harshness.
Merci beaucoup pour le H-Comp !!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😃😃😃😃😃😃
Nice 👍
thansk for the freebie
Yes H comp is good.
Thanks
c6 all tha way. thanx for h-comp
Thank you
Thank U :)
Can I get the h delay for free?
Maybe one day! Hope waves will do this again for us 🙂
What’s hidden about them?
R bass and MV2
C6 and LinMB best
All Waves plugins should be free. All of mine just gather dust now, so many better options out there.
Cubase 😉
If it weren’t for the scammy upgrade system that’s basically tricking people into a subscription. I uninstalled all Waves and will not use them anymore.
Deep breath seems more useful for me,
Not sure about your trick about the Pie , not the best way to use it and get that "famous" tone.
Could you share with us how you use it? 🙂
I wished someone was giving away some free hardware, preferably, Manley passive massive and a old tascam 16 track analog tape machine....
Haha same! Got something very interesting in the works that falls in line with this. Nothing set in stone yet but stay tuned 🙂
@@RaytownProductions
O.k. Bud!
Anyone who advertised Waves doesn’t care for their followers. -1 sub
That might not be true 😂
All these Waves plugins look so dated!
THANKS
Thanks