They are awesome, super happy with them. One point: if you build a home theater full of folded motion tweeters, the treble is additive, so yea ... EQ is your friend.
@@thebl1ndbat Yes, exactly, you can have too much of a good thing. I kept the MLs as the front 3, while going with in-walls from HTD for the surrounds and ceiling.
Thanks so much for this comprehensive review, as I've been interested in the F200's for some time now. I wish I had jumped on a great deal that was presented to me. They seem like the ideal all-around speaker for me and my 50/50 two-channel music/movies mix. I've heard the F200/F100 several times at audio shops and what struck me is the sheer mid range power and lack of compression on loud transients such as rim shots and snare drum shots. Also, the natural sound, brilliance, and power of brass instruments such as the big trombone sound on the right channel of Trombone Shorty's Neph. At the audio shop, this trombone had all the "blatty" sound of a real trombone in the room. Also, the bass didn't seem to be boosted, at least in that room. And the tweeters sounded great to me, just clean and powerful, yet without harshness.
I agree. Brass and hard piano key and drum shots are realistically sharp without sounding distorted. They are impactful like in real life. Thanks for the comments!
Great review. Well, you sold me on these. I am going to be using these for 2 channel music, not theater. I appreciate you reviewing these. Not many on the internet. I was going to go with the Arendal 1723, but I saw these, and liked the looks of them better.
Thank you for the comprehensive review. I loved that you gave your thoughts on other speaker options. I've been on the fence for the MLs for awhile. I would love for you to also give your thoughts on the center channel and the MP10s.
I just dropped the MP10 review. I don't have the C100 anymore but I think it's a great center. The 2.5 way design does work better than a regular MTM. The MLP sounds the best but It also sounds good from either side of axis however, I do believe if you measure each side off axis, the response will not be the same so each side hears something a little different. Still good, just not the same. You can't be in both spots at once so the only way to know it is to jump back and forth during scenes listening for it. I hop that helps!
Got my F100's based on Andrew's review. The speakers are really great for HT and music. I would love to hear these with your Anthem to compare against my NAD. Dirac has really made a difference with these.
I have the Martin Logan 60XTI which is the previous version of these speakers. I bought the Anthem AVM90 and that change was unbelievable. Music has never sounded better and movies are great as well.
Thanks for this great review. I know it's the f200's we're reviewing here, but I have to ask - Do you or anyone here have experience with, or a qualified guess on how the Anthem MRX 1140 Receiver would handle the f100's for 2ch and 5.1ch. The 1140 is amazing and have a lot of power for a receiver and works really good on my 8ohm Polk ES60 2.1 and 5.1 setup, but I worry a little bit about how it would handle the 4ohm f100's speakers, specially in a 5.1 setup and if I were to get Martin Logans Center and surround speakers as well.
Thank you for this review. I've been considering these speakers, and they're on a very short list. One odd (perhaps) question. Does the 50.75" height include the spikes? And where does one get those washers you're using?
I really enjoyed this review, especially since you provided in room measurements, and the comparisons, especially with your previous ownership of the Arendal towers. I had a question about the compression issues you ran into. So even with the EQ applied and crossed two competent subs, you'd still get treble distortion? Was this consistent with only high spl? And was it exclusive to the front towers, or the other speakers in the lineup too? Do you plan to review the rest of the lineup? I see you've got MP10s as surrounds, and I'm curious how those hold up, compression wise, since they're being asked to keep up with the towers, and the rest of the system.
Glad you enjoyed the video. The compression on the 1723S' was noticeable at high levels right at or a few db above reference. Crossed over to subs at 80Hz. It was just the front towers. 5-10 db below reference they still sounded great. It was during a get-together. I assumed the nasty sound was from the tweeter but I didn't want to replicate it to investigate further lol. I get a lot of questions about the MP10's so I think I'll do a short video this week on them
This must be a bad tweeter or something else. The arendals are thx certified and measured by tons of reviewers and are know to perform at high spl. I own them and have no problems whatsoever. Watched dune 2 at reference and it was great. That soundtrack true hd is no joke.
Awesome job, thank you so much I really like how you made it so easy. Recently sold my ML summit X looking make 5.1.4 in my living room/ i have very good Processor (audio control x7 ) and good multi and 2 ch amp ( Audiocontrol 7 ch amp , Bryston 4b set , anthom 352 g2 ) What do you recommend speakers for 70 movies 30 music ? I’m not sure buy the 13a or just XT f200
Hi thank you for the review. I would really like to hear your thoughts, how would you compare these with Polk R700, I understand they may be completely different league but so many great reviews on Polk even by Andrew. And is it even possible for you to hear one and give your honest opinion. I heard couple videos on you tube of both of them and ML sound way better Thank you
I have not heard the Polks but i think Andrew compares the F100's and Polks so you can probably get an idea of their characteristic differences. The F200 is basically the F100 on steroids so sound signature and dispersion will be the same.
@@cirwin4099 I would find somewhere to listen to them. I love the AMT on the ML's but the waveguide does contain the dispersion more than other AMT's and Ribbons Ive heard so they may not have the amount of "airiness" you remember with the Tritons.
21:10 There have been a few reports of these baffle issues being warped from F100 & F200 owners, it doesn't instil much confidence nor does it bode well for long-term durability, certainly not something I'd expect from a quality manufacturer like Martin Logan especially their "flagship" floorstander product, the F200 has a RRP of $9999 in Australia which is crazy, sure street prices are much less but still even at $7999 AUD those build quality issues are of major concern :(
Your conpression issues on the Arendals must be a bad tweeter or something else. The arendals are thx certified and measured by tons of reviewers and are know to perform at high spl. I own the 1723s towers and have no problems whatsoever. Watched dune 2 at reference and it was great. That soundtrack true hd is no joke. 😂
For me Changing my speakers every year isn't an option I need some that will last 5 years or more making the Arendals a little misleading as New speakers come out every 6 months to a years 😂😅
Wasn’t worth it to me when you can pick up a pair of 60TXi’s on close out for 2 grand. The F200’s are great but at $2749.99 each my decision was an easy one. The 60TXi’s look great in Red Oak too! 👍
@@hifihometheater - I would say they are priced fairly considering the high dealer MSRP mark up involved. Nothing against dealers because everybody’s gotta make a buck. At least ML provides a good value compared to some other brands,
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They are awesome, super happy with them. One point: if you build a home theater full of folded motion tweeters, the treble is additive, so yea ... EQ is your friend.
By additive do you mean the treble adds onto each other to make it too bright or something?
@@thebl1ndbat Yes, exactly, you can have too much of a good thing. I kept the MLs as the front 3, while going with in-walls from HTD for the surrounds and ceiling.
Thanks so much for this comprehensive review, as I've been interested in the F200's for some time now. I wish I had jumped on a great deal that was presented to me. They seem like the ideal all-around speaker for me and my 50/50 two-channel music/movies mix.
I've heard the F200/F100 several times at audio shops and what struck me is the sheer mid range power and lack of compression on loud transients such as rim shots and snare drum shots. Also, the natural sound, brilliance, and power of brass instruments such as the big trombone sound on the right channel of Trombone Shorty's Neph. At the audio shop, this trombone had all the "blatty" sound of a real trombone in the room. Also, the bass didn't seem to be boosted, at least in that room. And the tweeters sounded great to me, just clean and powerful, yet without harshness.
I agree. Brass and hard piano key and drum shots are realistically sharp without sounding distorted. They are impactful like in real life. Thanks for the comments!
Wow what a description. I almost could see the speakers and situation Marc was in. Thank you sir.
Great review! Sums up this speaker line perfectly. What size Oring did you use on the feet?
Thanks! here is a link to the Orings I used
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08VWHQNLK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Great review. Well, you sold me on these. I am going to be using these for 2 channel music, not theater. I appreciate you reviewing these. Not many on the internet. I was going to go with the Arendal 1723, but I saw these, and liked the looks of them better.
They are awesome for two channel! Congrats!
Yea i have F200s in a full ML theater, and the F200s sound better in 2 channel for most studio recordings
Thank you for the comprehensive review. I loved that you gave your thoughts on other speaker options. I've been on the fence for the MLs for awhile. I would love for you to also give your thoughts on the center channel and the MP10s.
I just dropped the MP10 review. I don't have the C100 anymore but I think it's a great center. The 2.5 way design does work better than a regular MTM. The MLP sounds the best but It also sounds good from either side of axis however, I do believe if you measure each side off axis, the response will not be the same so each side hears something a little different. Still good, just not the same. You can't be in both spots at once so the only way to know it is to jump back and forth during scenes listening for it. I hop that helps!
Your review was great. Easy to understand, covers everything I wondered about.
Very informative! Masterclass review.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Got my F100's based on Andrew's review. The speakers are really great for HT and music. I would love to hear these with your Anthem to compare against my NAD. Dirac has really made a difference with these.
If you're ever in the Southeast Michigan area, hit me up!
I have the Martin Logan 60XTI which is the previous version of these speakers. I bought the Anthem AVM90 and that change was unbelievable. Music has never sounded better and movies are great as well.
@@ashcountach1684- I have the 60TXi’s as well. I will have to check out Direc Live. I’m currently running Audyssey.
Great video! For home theater do you put the f200 equal apart then from sitting distance?
I would start there and play with the spacing and tow-in until you get the imaging and soundstage you prefer
Thanks for this great review. I know it's the f200's we're reviewing here, but I have to ask - Do you or anyone here have experience with, or a qualified guess on how the Anthem MRX 1140 Receiver would handle the f100's for 2ch and 5.1ch. The 1140 is amazing and have a lot of power for a receiver and works really good on my 8ohm Polk ES60 2.1 and 5.1 setup, but I worry a little bit about how it would handle the 4ohm f100's speakers, specially in a 5.1 setup and if I were to get Martin Logans Center and surround speakers as well.
Thank you for this review. I've been considering these speakers, and they're on a very short list. One odd (perhaps) question. Does the 50.75" height include the spikes? And where does one get those washers you're using?
Yes that includes the spikes. These are the o-rings I used amzn.to/3V46IYG
@@hifihometheater Thank you!
I really enjoyed this review, especially since you provided in room measurements, and the comparisons, especially with your previous ownership of the Arendal towers.
I had a question about the compression issues you ran into. So even with the EQ applied and crossed two competent subs, you'd still get treble distortion? Was this consistent with only high spl? And was it exclusive to the front towers, or the other speakers in the lineup too?
Do you plan to review the rest of the lineup? I see you've got MP10s as surrounds, and I'm curious how those hold up, compression wise, since they're being asked to keep up with the towers, and the rest of the system.
Glad you enjoyed the video. The compression on the 1723S' was noticeable at high levels right at or a few db above reference. Crossed over to subs at 80Hz. It was just the front towers. 5-10 db below reference they still sounded great. It was during a get-together. I assumed the nasty sound was from the tweeter but I didn't want to replicate it to investigate further lol. I get a lot of questions about the MP10's so I think I'll do a short video this week on them
This must be a bad tweeter or something else. The arendals are thx certified and measured by tons of reviewers and are know to perform at high spl. I own them and have no problems whatsoever. Watched dune 2 at reference and it was great. That soundtrack true hd is no joke.
Awesome job, thank you so much I really like how you made it so easy. Recently sold my ML summit X looking make 5.1.4 in my living room/ i have very good Processor (audio control x7 ) and good multi and 2 ch amp ( Audiocontrol 7 ch amp , Bryston 4b set , anthom 352 g2 ) What do you recommend speakers for 70 movies 30 music ?
I’m not sure buy the 13a or just XT f200
I personally like Anthem AVR’s and processors for their easy user interface and ARC Genesis. For amps, I recommend Buckeye, Monolith and Outlaw.
@@hifihometheater thanks a lot for quick response, I fix the typo please check my comment again
Please let me know Thanks
I’ve never heard the 13a, sorry.
@@hifihometheater i just pick f100 couple hours ago 😅. Thanks
Hi thank you for the review.
I would really like to hear your thoughts, how would you compare these with Polk R700, I understand they may be completely different league but so many great reviews on Polk even by Andrew. And is it even possible for you to hear one and give your honest opinion. I heard couple videos on you tube of both of them and ML sound way better
Thank you
I have not heard the Polks but i think Andrew compares the F100's and Polks so you can probably get an idea of their characteristic differences. The F200 is basically the F100 on steroids so sound signature and dispersion will be the same.
Excellent review man. Subed.
great review thanks.what is the size ov your room
Thanks! Its an open basement that is about 6K cubic feet. I sat about 11ft from the F200's
Are these harsh at loud listening sessions, treble wise?
I never found them harsh but the treble is elevated so some people will be more sensitive to it than others
@hifihometheater thanx,i dont think ill them then.
I’m on the fence on changing from my kef r7 to these. Thoughts?
What is it you are looking to change? Do you use subwoofers all the time?
@@hifihometheater I do run a sub with my kef's. I just like the sound of the tweeter a bit more. I miss my GoldenEar Triton's. But they were so ugly.
@@cirwin4099 I would find somewhere to listen to them. I love the AMT on the ML's but the waveguide does contain the dispersion more than other AMT's and Ribbons Ive heard so they may not have the amount of "airiness" you remember with the Tritons.
21:10 There have been a few reports of these baffle issues being warped from F100 & F200 owners, it doesn't instil much confidence nor does it bode well for long-term durability, certainly not something I'd expect from a quality manufacturer like Martin Logan especially their "flagship" floorstander product, the F200 has a RRP of $9999 in Australia which is crazy, sure street prices are much less but still even at $7999 AUD those build quality issues are of major concern :(
I agree. They shouldn't leave the factory like that. Its also not fun packing a 80lb. speaker back up and lugging it up the stairs!
Your conpression issues on the Arendals must be a bad tweeter or something else. The arendals are thx certified and measured by tons of reviewers and are know to perform at high spl. I own the 1723s towers and have no problems whatsoever. Watched dune 2 at reference and it was great. That soundtrack true hd is no joke. 😂
For me Changing my speakers every year isn't an option I need some that will last 5 years or more making the Arendals a little misleading as New speakers come out every 6 months to a years 😂😅
@@edwarddesmond2975 you mean the martin logans?
How do they compere to the New svs elevetion ultra, or kilipsch rp 800 mii?
I have not heard any of those speakers, sorry
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Wasn’t worth it to me when you can pick up a pair of 60TXi’s on close out for 2 grand. The F200’s are great but at $2749.99 each my decision was an easy one. The 60TXi’s look great in Red Oak too! 👍
Those were some crazy deals on the outgoing models. Congrats!
@@hifihometheater - I would say they are priced fairly considering the high dealer MSRP mark up involved. Nothing against dealers because everybody’s gotta make a buck. At least ML provides a good value compared to some other brands,