Ngl, this character is still fuckin insane to think about conceptually, but whereas I used to just duck him in tower when he was a war crime, I actually don't mind fighting him now. I think they actually did a great job of meaningfully nerfing him and making him substantially less obnoxious while still keeping the character intact. I actually think he's pretty cool now and I like watching him. Bravo Arcsys. You stockholmed me.
Insane neutral in any place of screen ✅ He converts any random hit into a full combo with wall break super, who means he receive back his win condiction easily (bullets).✅ Not Bad Match ups ✅ No weaknesses except doesn't having a dp (it doesnt matter because his offense is S+) ✅ Is extreamily safe in almost all his mix up/ pressure options ✅
First thoughts before watching, although i don't fight HCs often the way the concept of having a gun in strive is already extremely strong. It is a GUN after all. I currently think having it in the game will make it already hard enough to balance as it can already to almost anything you want it to; Pressure, zoning, combos, and the like. Going forward I'll have to fight more HCs to see if I would consider him broken at my current level. Looking forward to this vid.
The answer is simple. You could spend an entire lifetime trying to find a meaningful way to interact with Happy Chaos on defence and you’ll never find anything.
ah season one, where he had a fullscreen tracking ~30f (19f if the opponent was in blockstun) 60 damage move that inflicted 43f of guardcrush that he could stancel to make +20 and loop into itself with an unbufferable single digit gap that did 25% chip and did 50% of your health if he caught your dashblock
Its funny how many times his nerfed and he still wins. They buff Ramlethal as top 1 and she still doesn't win and the devs are like why does Chaos win buy not Ram. Simple Chaos players are just cracked and Ram players just suck or are not good enough.
I think chaos is in a pretty good spot right now, such a cool concept for a character, just in the wrong game maybe... He was doing way more fucked up shit than the rest of the cast was allowed so it wasnt much fun for anynone, and arcsys left it like that for way too long. If he was nerfed sooner to be like he is now i think he wouldnt be half as hated, hes really fun to play too
Chaos ain't even in 10 anymore, and people will still complain about him, lol. Chaos players can only expect 1 useless "buff" and 3 to 5 nerfs in any patch. There is no reason to play if you know your character will only get Nerfs fr 😂
I played HC up to 1700-1800 on ratingupdate in season 1/2 because I found him fun. But I quit because it made me feel bad winning and other players would often 1 and done. Returning in season 4 and playing new characters, it feels good to beat a HC with the MU knowlege. But boy is that matchup annoying even still.
Calling Happy Chaos a top tier is a stretch. While he's still capable of denying gameplay to his opponent, many other characters are as well, and unlike those characters (Ram/Gold Lewis/May), he leaves you a lot more chances to escape on top of the risk/reward not being as scewed in his favor. Also, what you have to do with Happy Chaos is a lot more straining on the player. Not only do you have to put in waaaaaaaay more hours on HC than every other character (besides Asuka and Zato who are on a similar lvl, if not even harder), you also gain waaaaaaay less milage out of him. Difficult characters are supposed to be good, but as it stands, why should I invest the time into this character if I can pick someone else and preform better in way less of a time investment? If you lose to HC in his current state, you either have a terrible matchup against him, or the HC is just str8 up better then you period. Too many ppl have been traumatized by season 2 or brainwashed by people traumatized by season 2 to see this character for what he is: simply annoying. I get it, it feels terrible not being able to play the game whlie HC throws 50 mixups at you, but many people don't take into consideration that he has to land 3-4 full combos + 2-3 trades or so to actually win the round x2/3 for the game, while some characters get you with one combo, put you into a similar pressure situation as HC and then kill you if you lose the next mixup (wich is also 10x simpler to pull off). But everybody is still hating on HC, and to those people, I can only recommend you 1 thing. PLAY THE GODDAMN CHARACTER AND SEE HOW PAINFUL IT IS TO PLAY HIM. Additionaly, this video mainly uses clips from season 2 making the entire video not about the current state of HC, it's rather about how broken he was. Thx for reading my Ted... Scrub Talks.
@@v.3T No. I’ve argued enough about happy chaos in this lifetime. I did read all of ur comment tho and I’m thankful you expressed how u feel. He is a very cool character
@@DomiWurld well yeah, he is, but he's also meant to be the villan. They desinged him to be a dickhead like Umbrella in Skullgirls (who was literally based on a salt companys logo). On top of that, in thematic sense, he's just perfect, because the philosophy of this character is that he does the most terrible stuff he can think of while knowing he's a lot more powerful then you (in lore), so you strive to improve to beat him. He literally gives the game it's name. I do get the frustartion everyone has with this character, and I don't want to deny anyones opinion on this topic, though I think the entire comunity can agree, that there are many more bigger problems in this game than HC currently. HC is in the perfect spot currently in my opinion, although the clone nerf should have come way earlyer, not now. With all of the garbage other characters can pull off since the season 4 patch, it just kinda felt wierd geting the clone nerfed now.
I would just like everyone to be aware that a significant part of Strive community thinks that current Pot is stronger than HC ever was, and that includes ''pro'' players, and in case some people forgot Burst wasn't full screen at the time, so HC was incredibly safe from it. Strive community isn't very bright to put it mildly.
I played him back then and I was total ass, but hey I could still zone and that definitely strained some friendships lol. Also old reticle was better idk why they changed it to the place holder we got now.
Hes gotten easier to pick up id say but harder to master since its not just lemme jail u from fullscreen. Hes ALOTTTTTTTTTTT Weaker than he was in his prime.... Still broken tho lol
The only change where he was made easier was the special inputs out of steady aim. Because of the increased gravity on bullets in one of the patches, certain links are harder. The increased concentration cost from season 3.5 or whatever makes resource management routing mandatory and you can't gorilla through offense without scoring focus state. Obviously, with Fire having to be handled independently, all of your frame traps are manually timed and I think because of the execution requirement to put the gun away and launch with ATR, putting gun away to be safe in situations, and keeping routing in mind for available resources at a given time, playing the character well requires good knowledge, good reaction, and very consistent execution. Him being bottom 6 ish in the cast for effective HP and losing scapegoat PRC means your fundamentals on defense need to be quite good too or you're going to get smoked for getting caught by anything.
@@DomiWurldin my mind I can remember that over time they struggled to balance him. When they initially tried he was still considered top tier and strong. Not only could he lock you down with zoning but he was also able of solid rush down. He had too many tools with his greatest weakness perhaps being that only so many players could use him effectively due to how much more complex he was than some of the rest of the cast. I think the vision was that he would always be a strong dlc and they could have easily over nerfed him to compensate for how controversial he was. Complex characters should always have high upside to reward players for the learning investment while still understanding that every character needs holes in their game to create interesting matchups. And Happy pretty much dominated every matchup early on
Haven't seen the whole vid yet but I think the fact that HC has both the best zoning tools (what can be better than a gun that aims for you) AND great rushdown potential (what I mean is that his normals are extremely good for footsies and almost any hit leads to a full combo that either results in hard knockdown or wall break, all meterless) is mainly the reason why so many people hate him. Like, you essentially have to guess not only HC's next move but his whole game plan and be one step ahead. Not to mention that labbing him is also extremely tiresome and boring because you have to learn long and complicated, almost xrd-like combos.
Is it me or are gun characters in guilty gear broken. Strive was Happy Chaos. Xrd was Elphelt. XX and X Justice. I swear these characters have given not just the community PTSD but also the devs which is why am concerned about Unika for S4 because she uses a gun.
I get he has been nerfed many times, but I still wish he got just obliterated tbh. As far as my "casual" experience goes, he still can start zoning you and then when you move at least a bit towards him he just runs up and shmixes you to death if you can't challenge his pretty good I'd say buttons. I don't know the match-up for sure but it doesn't feel like there is much I can do in general. It feels almost impossible to win in neutral against a somewhat competent HC main if your character doesn't have fast buttons. Like, what does, for example, Bedman (my main) do? Harass HC with needle? It's kinda slow for that sa far as I know :/
hc's old reticle is soo cool man. but zoning centered hc has to be the most boring thing to ever sit through. thank god i started in season 3 lol. at least hc now is sort of a rushdown in most mus
discord.gg/EtQvd6mK
Wild that whenever chaos received a nerf he would immediately go to c tier on most teir lists and then proceed to preform the same
Arc System Works: You know who needs a complete moveset overhaul? That's right. Ramlethal.
Ngl, this character is still fuckin insane to think about conceptually, but whereas I used to just duck him in tower when he was a war crime, I actually don't mind fighting him now. I think they actually did a great job of meaningfully nerfing him and making him substantially less obnoxious while still keeping the character intact.
I actually think he's pretty cool now and I like watching him. Bravo Arcsys. You stockholmed me.
Ive seen enough, nerf Zato
So real
Romolla was the fucking goat, I miss watching her chaos
So true
Insane neutral in any place of screen ✅
He converts any random hit into a full combo with wall break super, who means he receive back his win condiction easily (bullets).✅
Not Bad Match ups ✅
No weaknesses except doesn't having a dp (it doesnt matter because his offense is S+) ✅
Is extreamily safe in almost all his mix up/ pressure options ✅
This is only true for s1 and 2 chaos
That Ky was almost close to throwing out a move. We'll have to nerf Stun Dipper again.
Oh we reminiscing? I thought it was going to be why we hate HC today, I can give you a million reasons
First thoughts before watching, although i don't fight HCs often the way the concept of having a gun in strive is already extremely strong. It is a GUN after all. I currently think having it in the game will make it already hard enough to balance as it can already to almost anything you want it to; Pressure, zoning, combos, and the like. Going forward I'll have to fight more HCs to see if I would consider him broken at my current level. Looking forward to this vid.
Seeing Romolla in this is like watching someone you look up to get tried for warcrimes at the Nuremberg Trials.
The answer is simple. You could spend an entire lifetime trying to find a meaningful way to interact with Happy Chaos on defence and you’ll never find anything.
Could you say I'd take 10 years to find to interact with happy chaos in a meaningful way, but you'd forget in 2 seconds?
That's Abt it :>
ah season one, where he had a fullscreen tracking ~30f (19f if the opponent was in blockstun) 60 damage move that inflicted 43f of guardcrush that he could stancel to make +20 and loop into itself with an unbufferable single digit gap that did 25% chip and did 50% of your health if he caught your dashblock
Its funny how many times his nerfed and he still wins. They buff Ramlethal as top 1 and she still doesn't win and the devs are like why does Chaos win buy not Ram. Simple Chaos players are just cracked and Ram players just suck or are not good enough.
Might be your best thumnail yet lmao Eddie looks so goofy
Thank you for bringing back trauma... Definitely enjoyed playing Ino against Happy Chaos in season 1 -_-
Ugh im in pain looking at what we used to have with that old reticle man, so sad
any chance you could make a video on matchup specific stuff on sin for his tricky matchups
Yup
0:26 sir yes sir it feels good to reminisce about old time gone by
this video made me cry man Haha
I think chaos is in a pretty good spot right now, such a cool concept for a character, just in the wrong game maybe... He was doing way more fucked up shit than the rest of the cast was allowed so it wasnt much fun for anynone, and arcsys left it like that for way too long. If he was nerfed sooner to be like he is now i think he wouldnt be half as hated, hes really fun to play too
the checkmate incident
he'll probably be top tier forever until they do something about beng being an all-around neutral/neutral-skip/pressure/mix/conversion/zoning tool.
Chaos ain't even in 10 anymore, and people will still complain about him, lol. Chaos players can only expect 1 useless "buff" and 3 to 5 nerfs in any patch. There is no reason to play if you know your character will only get Nerfs fr 😂
I played HC up to 1700-1800 on ratingupdate in season 1/2 because I found him fun. But I quit because it made me feel bad winning and other players would often 1 and done. Returning in season 4 and playing new characters, it feels good to beat a HC with the MU knowlege. But boy is that matchup annoying even still.
Yeah yeah he's broken or whatever but man is he the coolest and one of the most fun fighting games characters I've ever played.
Calling Happy Chaos a top tier is a stretch.
While he's still capable of denying gameplay to his opponent, many other characters are as well, and unlike those characters (Ram/Gold Lewis/May), he leaves you a lot more chances to escape on top of the risk/reward not being as scewed in his favor.
Also, what you have to do with Happy Chaos is a lot more straining on the player.
Not only do you have to put in waaaaaaaay more hours on HC than every other character (besides Asuka and Zato who are on a similar lvl, if not even harder), you also gain waaaaaaay less milage out of him.
Difficult characters are supposed to be good, but as it stands, why should I invest the time into this character if I can pick someone else and preform better in way less of a time investment?
If you lose to HC in his current state, you either have a terrible matchup against him, or the HC is just str8 up better then you period.
Too many ppl have been traumatized by season 2 or brainwashed by people traumatized by season 2 to see this character for what he is: simply annoying.
I get it, it feels terrible not being able to play the game whlie HC throws 50 mixups at you, but many people don't take into consideration that he has to land 3-4 full combos + 2-3 trades or so to actually win the round x2/3 for the game, while some characters get you with one combo, put you into a similar pressure situation as HC and then kill you if you lose the next mixup (wich is also 10x simpler to pull off).
But everybody is still hating on HC, and to those people, I can only recommend you 1 thing.
PLAY THE GODDAMN CHARACTER AND SEE HOW PAINFUL IT IS TO PLAY HIM.
Additionaly, this video mainly uses clips from season 2 making the entire video not about the current state of HC, it's rather about how broken he was.
Thx for reading my Ted... Scrub Talks.
@@v.3T I’m afraid you missed the mark with this one my friend
@DomiWurld any argument to support that statement friend?
@@v.3T No. I’ve argued enough about happy chaos in this lifetime. I did read all of ur comment tho and I’m thankful you expressed how u feel. He is a very cool character
@@DomiWurld well yeah, he is, but he's also meant to be the villan.
They desinged him to be a dickhead like Umbrella in Skullgirls (who was literally based on a salt companys logo).
On top of that, in thematic sense, he's just perfect, because the philosophy of this character is that he does the most terrible stuff he can think of while knowing he's a lot more powerful then you (in lore), so you strive to improve to beat him.
He literally gives the game it's name.
I do get the frustartion everyone has with this character, and I don't want to deny anyones opinion on this topic, though I think the entire comunity can agree, that there are many more bigger problems in this game than HC currently.
HC is in the perfect spot currently in my opinion, although the clone nerf should have come way earlyer, not now.
With all of the garbage other characters can pull off since the season 4 patch, it just kinda felt wierd geting the clone nerfed now.
i think he cool (i play him)
It's cuz he has swag
I would just like everyone to be aware that a significant part of Strive community thinks that current Pot is stronger than HC ever was, and that includes ''pro'' players, and in case some people forgot Burst wasn't full screen at the time, so HC was incredibly safe from it.
Strive community isn't very bright to put it mildly.
I played him back then and I was total ass, but hey I could still zone and that definitely strained some friendships lol. Also old reticle was better idk why they changed it to the place holder we got now.
Is happy chaos still considered to be one of the more difficult characters to execute now that’s he’s done through so many changes?
Hes gotten easier to pick up id say but harder to master since its not just lemme jail u from fullscreen. Hes ALOTTTTTTTTTTT Weaker than he was in his prime.... Still broken tho lol
The only change where he was made easier was the special inputs out of steady aim. Because of the increased gravity on bullets in one of the patches, certain links are harder. The increased concentration cost from season 3.5 or whatever makes resource management routing mandatory and you can't gorilla through offense without scoring focus state.
Obviously, with Fire having to be handled independently, all of your frame traps are manually timed and I think because of the execution requirement to put the gun away and launch with ATR, putting gun away to be safe in situations, and keeping routing in mind for available resources at a given time, playing the character well requires good knowledge, good reaction, and very consistent execution. Him being bottom 6 ish in the cast for effective HP and losing scapegoat PRC means your fundamentals on defense need to be quite good too or you're going to get smoked for getting caught by anything.
@@DomiWurldin my mind I can remember that over time they struggled to balance him. When they initially tried he was still considered top tier and strong. Not only could he lock you down with zoning but he was also able of solid rush down. He had too many tools with his greatest weakness perhaps being that only so many players could use him effectively due to how much more complex he was than some of the rest of the cast. I think the vision was that he would always be a strong dlc and they could have easily over nerfed him to compensate for how controversial he was. Complex characters should always have high upside to reward players for the learning investment while still understanding that every character needs holes in their game to create interesting matchups. And Happy pretty much dominated every matchup early on
Haven't seen the whole vid yet but I think the fact that HC has both the best zoning tools (what can be better than a gun that aims for you) AND great rushdown potential (what I mean is that his normals are extremely good for footsies and almost any hit leads to a full combo that either results in hard knockdown or wall break, all meterless) is mainly the reason why so many people hate him. Like, you essentially have to guess not only HC's next move but his whole game plan and be one step ahead. Not to mention that labbing him is also extremely tiresome and boring because you have to learn long and complicated, almost xrd-like combos.
I would say he’s an honest low mid tier now ❤
funny
Tbh i love hc has a concept
The execution is horrible tho
Its really painful to try to learn the match up
Is it me or are gun characters in guilty gear broken. Strive was Happy Chaos. Xrd was Elphelt. XX and X Justice. I swear these characters have given not just the community PTSD but also the devs which is why am concerned about Unika for S4 because she uses a gun.
I get he has been nerfed many times, but I still wish he got just obliterated tbh. As far as my "casual" experience goes, he still can start zoning you and then when you move at least a bit towards him he just runs up and shmixes you to death if you can't challenge his pretty good I'd say buttons.
I don't know the match-up for sure but it doesn't feel like there is much I can do in general. It feels almost impossible to win in neutral against a somewhat competent HC main if your character doesn't have fast buttons.
Like, what does, for example, Bedman (my main) do? Harass HC with needle? It's kinda slow for that sa far as I know :/
He not hype???
DAY 20 of waiting for axl discussion
hc's old reticle is soo cool man. but zoning centered hc has to be the most boring thing to ever sit through. thank god i started in season 3 lol. at least hc now is sort of a rushdown in most mus
anji discussion?
let me see if I can make something happen. I did have an anji video in mind tho🤫
season 2 HC, good times man 🤣
BRO. I was just about to send this to u
@@DomiWurld banger video bro, i swear this character will never be bad; his core design just doesn't let him be 😭
Take me back to season 1 chaos ;(
@@ChicoChopsFGC no