London Trams & Trolleybuses 2012, East Anglia Transport Museum & National Tramway Museum, Crich.
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- Trailer for DVD from Bob Hodges Transport DVDs, available from www.bhtransportdvds.co.uk. Part 1 is film of the London day at the East Anglia Transport Museum, 6th May 2012 and Part 2 is film of the London day at the National Tramway Museum, Crich, 8th July 2012. Part 1 features 8 London trolleybuses plus 1 from Newcastle in action, including London no.1 which normally is at the London Transport Museum Acton depot. London tram 1858 also features in this chapter. Part 2 features London trams 1622, 331,, 159 and Johannesburg no. 60 masquerading as a former LCC 4 wheel car. Trams from Glasgow, Leeds & Blackpool also ran at lunchtime which was followed by a cavalcade of the London trams including former London Tramlink works car 058. The day finished with a re-enactment of the last tram on 5th July 1952. Two superb events captured on one DVD, total running time 72 minutes, wide screen PAL system.
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Thabk you for up loading.ive been a big fan of trollies and trams since my childhood!srill am a big kid;😮😅
The trolly moves so gracefullyand quietly😊
Truly looks like great fun. I remember the street trollies in Denmark when I was a kid. Always enjoyed riding those, but they have also been gone since the late 1960's.
they had it rite back in the day..no noise or smoke,,nice video
Thanks for your comment, you are right about the pollution angle.
David Frobel many cities on the continent use these. ..surely with rising oil prices they could be reinstated in Britain?
Geoffrey Smith haha. I thought the same and then saw your comment!
+David Frobel Environmentally friendly, for sure!! 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Colin Clarke az
I'd love to go back in time and see all the old British tram networks, they were so extensive!
WOW this is beautiful how have i missed this . They are SO QUIET!
I'd loved to have seen those
Has anyone noticed that at 40 seconds into this video, on the right of the image, there's a young boy playing in a game of 'Hide and Seek' and counting to 100 while his pal goes off to find somewhere to hide? A charming little scene.
Y are one great observer of minute details sir....great observation...
Yes, quite fantastic!! Nanny apparently off duty. 🥰 Boys will be boys. 🤫
I visited Crich a couple of years ago- it's awesome! What a collection of trams- have to get back there, mayeb next year.
I am amazed at how those overhead cables stay in place.very clever.
This type of electrification is being used all over the central and eastern Europe.
Rick Jando It’s all over Europe. It’s just the UK that decided to go with 3rd rail instead of overhead wires for some reason.
The classic exterior fits the historic city of London.
I remember trolley buses going along Edgware Road (A5) in Burnt Oak back in the late '40s - time flies!
See; electrified transport is nothing new. These buses are just lovely.
What a splendid sight ! I can remember the trolley buses, but the trams are fantastic. Thanks.
So classic ....beautiful and timeless.......always in style...!!! Love it
Amazing! Would love to visit this museum some day and ride the trams and trolley buses. Thanks for sharing.
Both the museums featured are excellent, the East Anglia museum has just acquired land next to the museum, when developed it will pretty much double the size of the museum.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs , Thanks! Will try and get there in the not-too-distant future.
Ah the memories of the streetcars, trams and trolleys in Chicago! Clean, quiet and they went everywhere. Like most large cities we tore up the tracks, pulled down the wires and now live with stinking, noisy buses making the air unbreathable. But, the oil , tire and auto industry s are happy.
Its like going back in time.. fantastic!!!
3:34 that's more 2020 like than 2012
I see what you mean!
lovely thank you for uploading.
Absolutely marvellous! At 71, I’m just old enough to remember riding on the Stockport trams as a little boy. Unfortunately, after they stopped running in August, 1951, they all went to the scrap yard and none of them survived, which is why they haven’t got any at Crich. The Stockport trams looked very much like the older London trams, like the one with Last Tram Week on the side.
One was preserved:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockport_Corporation_Tramways
I hope there's more
Nothing like the track squeal of old trams!
True. The modern trams don't squeal the same way, it's almost like they're shearing their wheels or something.
Trams are the best
It's something that I have never had the pleasure of traveling on one. A cross between a tram (old ORIGINAL type) & a bus. Shane these lovely things are only seen in use on special occasions.
Most pleasant and luxurious way to travel... like gliding!
You can still see the old electric poles along the Romford Road in Stratford. Why don't they bring them back???
tram tracks were still in place in the 60s through the Broadway and half through Tramway Avenue Our bike wheels used to get stuck if you weren't careful.And the Trolley bus electric poles always came off the corner of Romford Rd/Broadway
Oil sales manipulation
Stephen Dartnall : Same in Wallasey, so me Dad told me.
This is a wonderful video! Makes me want to rush out and flag a train.!
Thank you.
I'm crazy! 63 and some 60 years addicted to trams! Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes,.... oh, okay interesting too! But there is no Maserati compared to any tram! :)
rode on the trolleybus to Crystal Palace and the trams to Forest hill to see my granddad with my mum and brother some trams had yellow windows and others had purple windows
Those trams are just awesome. Thanks for posting. If you are ever in the states check out the Shoreline Trolley Museum in coastal Connecticut.
I love trams
That is some classy rolling stock
Nice.
Excellent bean's guys
We at Calcutta India have these old beauties.
wonderful video and the choral music at the end sure adds to it :)
Thanks for your kind comment, I used to go to school on London trolleybuses about 60 years ago, I have always loved the quietness and speed.
Woah Awesome
Thxs
Hello, old world! )
Beautiful low noise!
My grandfather was a driver for LPTB after the First World War and drove trams, trolly busses, and normal busses out of Clapham garage. I have a photo of him flagging the last trolly bus out of the depot. I am just old enough to remember trolly busses, when in the film one came round the corner number 662, I automatically said, Harlesden, Wembley and Sudbury and that was before I saw the destination board. Great video, wish I had a video when I went to Critch.
I used to ride on the 662 regularly along Wembley high street. They had a fantastic acceleration.
You had to really hang on.
Waw, the bus and the bus trolley are classic. Funny and interesting. Greetings from Indonesia
It's amazing!!!)
Kolkata Trolleybuses And Trams are great!
There are no trollleybuses in Calcutta...
He liked the trolleybus and the tram
I used to goto school by trolleybus in London.
wow, nice tram.... great video!!!
I went there today. brilliant. all volunteers. very helpful. kid's would love it. had a nice cup of tea and a sausage sandwich.
EATM is one of my favourite museums, unfortunately I live about 150 miles away so can't go there as often as I would like.
Brian Jones (Rolling Stones) was a big fan and expert of this kind of bus.
He has 1 or 2 bus.
Lovely & quiet, you could miss your bus if you weren't' watching
And fantastic acceleration, it was almost impossible to run and jump on unless one was an Olympic Sprinter, or a fast kid like I was. It was a game we used to play on the route 601, jumping off as soon as one foot was on the platform and one hand on a grab pole. It was very amusing to see a chap puffing and panting on the pavement after attempting to chase one, more so viewed from the drivers cab, although mine was the cab of an RT not a Trolleybus, some RT's were quick off a standing start if the injector pump had been mis-calibrated, accompanied by a cloud of black smoke.
The Kind of London You Don't See Very Often.
I remember going on the trolley bus in Newcastle about 1960
awesome movie, i love that vehicles.
Wow , awesome London transport
Thanks for your comment, the trams and trolleybuses were pollution free, we have a tramway system in south London and about 12 routes with electric buses with more to come.
This place is excellent, i've been there twice.
Excellent museum!
My bro loooves trams and trolley buses he is doing anything for them
Extremely cool. To achieve nirvana, I must visit, if not dwell in this great British paradise. I have found Utopia!
3:40 THE BUS PREDICTED THE VIRUS
Lol
#Kolkatatrams still makes such sound
great Video!
Great Video.
wonderful
0:38 "Guinness is good for you" hahaha
My Gran used to drink a Guinness every day for anemia - on doctor’s orders!.
@@annskinner8467 A good source of iron if i remember correctly.
beautiful !
so quiet I can hear the birds
My "Electric Rail Tram's" are very, very, very, very quiet no nose from them.
We hve great trollies here in salzburg!😊
Unfortunately the only trolleybuses we have in the UK are in museums.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs what is nicein the summer.the older trollies can be seen and ridden as the are dustd off an d put in daily servicewhich is fun!
Yes, this museum is excellent I have a couple of other videos taken there on You Tube. I used to go to senior school on London trolleybuses like the ones in this video.@@johannesfeigl5309
At 6:40 under the bridge we can see , that the two rails has to approach - even one part has to cross over in the territory of the opposite direction😉
Gauntlet track
beautiful
Thank you.
Good job
Very interesting!
10:00 replicating the end of London's trams, featured in "The Elephant Will Never Forget"! Do they have sections of track where trams run on third rail?
Not in the museum, it is all overhead line power supply. The conduit - 3rd rail was extensive in London with only the outer suburban routes being overhead line.
*I still recollect the Nottingham Trolleybuses of the late 50's and was amazed back then of their power and silence. Biggest Mistake to scrap them all, although Nottingham has a great Tram System believe it's losing around £48.5 million in the 2017 accounts !*
Tram-endous
it is beautiful outlook
Nice london Tram and Trolley bus . .good
Lovely
I'm just a bit too youthful to remember trolleybuses, so I watched with some degree of amazement at how we were so much better back when these things were in operation, how quiet and graceful they would've been as they rode silently along the streets. And then I got to 1:21 and realised what the biggest issue would've been. And also the second biggest, with all those ugly wires. Still, a small(ish) price to pay for all that clean air and quietness. I know I'd rather not have the rumbling of diesel buses passing my house five times an hour and pouring their carbons into the air.
Thanks for your comment, I used to go to school on trolleybuses in North London from 1957 - 1960, London trolleys were built to last, hardly any vibration and superb acceleration, many of them did more than 1 million miles in London.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs I suspect the trolleys in other areas were similarly sturdy. We had them in Manchester up until 1966 (four years before I was born) and my grandfather used to drive them. From what I can establish, the ones we had up here didn't have the two rear axle layout as in your video.
@@leopold7562 Manchester had 4 wheel and 6 wheel trolleybuses built by Leyland and Crossley. Crossley 6 wheeler no. 1250 is in the Greater Manchester Museum Of Transport. Ashton Under Lyne Corporation also ran trolleybuses into Manchester from Ashton & Stalybridge, most of their fleet was 4 wheelers, but they also had a few 6 wheelers. London only had 1 4 wheeler, an early prototype that was scrapped in the 1950's, the other 1890 trolleys were all 6 wheelers.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs Thanks for the info. As I said before, these were taken out of service before I was born, so I never got the chance to see them in the flesh. The only one I ever saw was a photo of my grandfather stood next to the one he was driving, a four wheeler, whilst outside the depot (I don't recall which one, I think it was near Cheetham Hill, but I could be wrong). As I'd grown up with the "liquorice allsorts" GMT liveries in the 70s and 80s, I was surprised to find out the trolleys were red! Obviously, as the photo was black and white, I could only see it was a single colour, so he had to tell me what colour it was.
Only every 12 minutes, you don't live on a busy route then.
like the filming of the trolleybuses
Surely will not loose there way around and any time be late as they are linked up on rails every way they go and no traffic to beep in the way to say move
Glad thathese vehicles were preserved.
Did any trolley buses take otheroutes? If so, did thelectrical connections divert? Or did it require stopping and moving the pick-ups to the other electricalines? Thank you.
very classy!
Nice one , simple as.
Way ahead of their time these. 150 years ago the majority of major town and cities in the UK had some kind of tram network, only for them to be replaced by buses but now, everyone wants to go electric again.
Aperi Oculus during 50s oil was cheap as water
Aha! Thought I recognised the Crich Tramway Museum! I edited some VHS tape for a friend who used to live at our housing commission units here in Port Stephens, Australia. Back around 1982 or 1983 she paid a visit to family in England, having a video camera(VHS format), naturally some videos were made and in this particular tape, was a segment featuring a ride on an open-topped tram at the Crich Museum. It was good to see more of that museum and good to see it's still active.
Thanks for your comment, the Crich Museum continues to go from strength to strength, I hope to visit later this year, unfortunately I live about 150 miles away so cannot go as often as I would like.
The old buses looked like you could push it over
Buses are much bigger and heavier today, especially electric ones with the weight of the batteries being quite substantial.
Very good video...
Very interesting vídeo. Congratulations!
Thanks for your comments, I have always liked London trolleybuses, I used to travel to school on London trolleybuses between 1957 & 1960.
So did I
Nice to see the Diddlers preserved
gorgeous
Good video. ♡ T.E.N.
hola ! saludos desde Barquisimeto Venezuela
This is what they took from us
At least we have a few survivors from that era.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs we must preserve it for future generations to see! Maybe some day we will realize that trams are actually a really good idea
Were doubledecker trams ever joined together to form trains or were they always operated as single vehicles?
The Swansea & Mumbles line used large 106 seater double deck trams between 1929 & 1960, they were often run in pairs. London County Council also ran double deck trams with double deck trailers between 1910 and 1924 on several routes in South London. The motor trams were E class double deckers and the first few trailers were open top ex horse trams, the production trailers were purpose built but still open top.
went there a few years ago
Trolley buses still exist? Wow never knew that!
I invite you to come to Vancouver, Canada; rail trams were switched out for trolleybuses in the 50's and we now currently have the worlds largest trolleybus system, as well as them being used on the busiest lines in the city.
Here in my City (Linz/Donau) we have 4 trolls bus lines and upgraded zur 45 and 46 line with bigger more efficient ones
Daniel Holowaty sorry what is "zur"?
MC_P_123 lol its Autocorrect.. I meant "the"
There's a large trolley bus network in Arnhem, with very modern trolley buses.
I was going to ask why did they get rid of trolleybusses, but then 1.17 told me...
Yes this used to happen sometimes, the trolleybus would come to an abrupt halt and the conductor had to get the long bamboo pole out and and re-connct the trolleybus to the overhead. There were several reasons why trolleybuses were abandoned in London: trolleybuses were seen as inflexible, diesel buses could easily go off route if needed, most of the trolleybuses dated from 1936 - 1940 and the cost of replacing them and other infrastructure was deemed at the time to be too much. In those days pollution from petrol and diesel vehicles wasn't perceived as a problem, unlike today, hence the introduction of battery electric buses in London in recent years.
United Kingdomers make cute trams. Or is it Kingdomerians?
It's British
We MADE cute trams. Note the tense. We don't any more. We buy in bog standard trams these days. And we don't run trolley buses either. Jesus, we had all this brilliant clean public transport and we tossed it all away for diesel. What were we thinking??
@@leopold7562 Influence from oil companies and motor manufactures on Govt. Ministers. In that motor buses and trucks offered "clean" and flexible transport, not tied to rails or wires or so they convinced them that it was the way forward. No one predicted the growth of the car and the congestion caused by it. Look at films of the M1 back in the early '60's almost deserted and not a piece of armco barrier in sight, no speed limit either as few cars could top more than 70 mph for long periods unless one owned a Jag or Healey 3000, thus overheating and breakdowns were common as people discovered when trying to run their mini, Morris Minor, Zepher or Zodiac flat out for miles.
1:40 *Hook on the Wrong cable and you are all Toast, well done !*
I think the driver is using a wooden stick that doesn't conduct electricity
Funny that, the London trolley buses weren’t fittet with automatic retreivers. You know, spring-loaded reels taking up the slack in the trolley rope, and if a pole went off the line, the rope rushing out would actuate another spring, reeling the rope back in and the pole back down. Just curious, could be a reason for not having them… :)
I don't know why London or most other trolleybuses in the UK didn't use automatic trolley retrievers, they were very common in other countries, another case of the British being different perhaps?
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs maybe just an excuse for abandoning a mode of transport not profitable for oil companies?
London should bring back its trame network and get cars off the road just as they do in Amsterdam there transport network is years ahead of britains .
I been there before!!!
They painted trams and buses better then it's great at Crich museum geoff cooper
Where is this? You don’t seem to,have mentioned it anywhere.
Whoops, It’s in the credits. Still, in the title would have been helpful.
I still haven't gotten the idea behind the ones on rubber wheels anyways..the driver steered waaay of the electric cable detaching itself
Trolleybuses could deviate from the line of the overhead cable quite a bit, there was a limit though before there would be a dewirement. Driving a trolleybus was quite a skilled job, the conductors played an important part too, their job, apart from collecting the fares, was to change the points on the overhead at junctions.
@@bobhodgestransportDVDs I drove trolley buses in Johannesburg, South Africa in the early 1970s. They were quite easy and pleasant to drive once you got used to the quirks, such as controlling the "snatch" on take off or acceleration from low speeds, plus the poles throwing. They were quiet and the cabs were cool, unlike some of the motor buses (AEC Mk 5s) which were noisy and in Johannesburg, sitting next to the engine could make you unpleasantly warm.
On the pole throwing, after an initial period of some incidents, you got to know the quirks of the system and where pole throwing could occur, so took appropriate care, not least because it was a pain in the neck fishing for the poles in the sky, often with the sun directly overhead, making visibility a problem. I managed to reduce pole throwing to virtually none, although it could be unpredictable, some buses being worse than others, probably as a result of tension issues.
As others have noted, they were quick on acceleration and had to have very good brakes as they tended to roll quite easily. Some drivers couldn't stand them, but I had no problem and certainly preferred them to the Mk 5s.