Hey Jay, you gave me some advice on my AK that prevented me from selling it; now it's completely customized and the issue it had is gone. Hope you and Misha are doing well!
Sheesh the camera you are using is awesome. Great video. So much content can be made on Kalashnikov pattern rifles. There is just so much needed to be known and not a whole lot of easy to find answers, but you guys do a fantastic job at Mishaco
Jay, I have a 57 parts kit I bought a couple of years ago. Looks like it was unfired going to use it on a sharps brothers receiver. Your not kidding about smooth. That bolt in the carrier is like a piece of ice.
I also got a similar kit from Arms of America when they were just $399! That one had slight bluing wear. Still waiting on its completion by Two Rivers.
I generally find that to be the case too, though I know academically there shouldn't be any reason for it other than the weight. Maybe the smooth bolt travel helps cut down in some felt vibration?
@@jaysblades Exactly what you said. I'm sure the weight cuts more the vibration and the butterly bolt carrier traveling and also noted the tubular recoil spring has to help as well. I think its all the combination that makes it a more smooth shooting rifle than stamped receiver. Thank you for your reply!
This video prompted me to purchase this same rifle. I've always loved my smooooth milled Arsenal, circa 2001, but wanted a more traditional looking AK. Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore listed one of these in their used section for the premium price of $1499. While doing a little research to see just how overpriced it may be, I came across this video. After just hearing the sound of your action I went back to the SOS sight and hit the buy button. No regrets. And though I've lived in Texas 30 years, I grew up in Minnesota, which is where the receivers were made. Added bonus. Keep up the great work and say "Hi" to Misha!
Beautiful rifle! Im getting a mak90 this friday! Was going to get an older zastava then i stumbled across the mak today, I got to have it ! Haha , love what you guys do , thanks for sharing with us! Stay well stay safe!
I got hold of a Polish 1960 KBGN kit with the gas block switch. Got 1,000 dollars in it time I got a receiver and got built. It's second in line behind my Russian Type 3.
This one was my first and right now only AK you are right the bolt action is smooth. My only issue is it's very difficult to find any accessories for type 3 milled receivers.
I have 2 of the m70abm, Yugoslavian parts kits with milled underfolder receivers. I gave one to my oldest son and the other is my favorite AK. I would love to find one of the polish builds but they're getting up there in price when you find a nice one. Excellent rifles. I believe the ABM's will stand the test of time also.
Picked one of these up in February for about 1650$, you’re 100% right about it having the smoothest action, my Maadi feels gritty as hell in comparison haha.
Polish AK action is very smooth, because they have a nice "Polished" bolt carrier. I have a Romanian WASR and a Polish WBP Fox, the difference are huge.
Milled is heavier but more rigid, which only slightly contributes to accuracy. Some milled receivers have been known to crack under heavy use, but the average weekend shooter will never push their AK/AKM that hard. Milled is also more expensive. Different flavors I guess. I've moved on from the Kalashnikov world, but they can really sing if you know how to lube it. Glad I subed to this channel !
For practical sakes, stamped because of weight and price. For coolness factor and also having a receiver that will literally never break if properly made (Bulgarian current issue rifles are milled 556 AK).
As much as I love the smoothness of a milled AK, for practically, the weight savings pushes me to generally prefer stamped as well. I don't think any benefits as mentioned here *outweigh* that factor.
A guy has one of these on gunbroker right now. He is asking 5500 if I remember right and that is absolutely crazy, I bought mine in beautiful condition for 1300 all said and done. What this guy doesn’t know, is that the pmk did yes have a milled receiver, but on the original the receiver would have a an oval with an 11 in it and here’s the big part, the barrel was screwed into the receiver and not pinned. I mentioned to this guy his price was ridiculous and he’ll never get that out of it. Fifty five hundred is ridiculous for a parts kit build with century on it. I don’t know what group of wizards at century quit or got fired but their guns are not the same. Older ones were definitely nicer and not rushed. Everything done right. Another and last thing, the pmk also came with a wood pistol grip…
My wife does - she's the one who convinced me to buy it, or rather, she takes credit for it! She also talked me out of getting a Desert Eagle so there's probably some credibility in her side of the story.
This is a awesome gun. This was my first AK and it is still my favorite. I think this is Century Arms forgotten magnum opus. It is a shame that after the Polish 1960 there really hasn't been any AKs on the U.S. market like this. The 1960 was the last affordable milled AK-47 in the proper type 3 configuration, at least that I'm aware of. I would love to see these old AKs make a comeback like the old ARs did with Brownells retro line.
Do you by any chance know where I can find a bullet guide for a 1958 milled polish ak47 been looking everywhere and cant find one its the only piece I need to complete my build
This was my first AK i bought believe in 2011 and think century out sourced these builds. paid the same you paid for yours. only ak i think to take its own version of a bayonet and think they had some with different furniture (buttstock) as some had grenade launching abilities? also mine was off a no matching parts kit even some parts showed wear (gas piston and dust cover) was your matching? anyway pretty nice rifle since ive owned it i maybe put 500 to 600 rounds through it. was thinking about selling seeing what they are going for (2k to 2500) but im torn. also mine has the slant break where did you get your break from?
Nope, not really. If a barrel is properly installed, you loose headspace due to wear to the bolt lugs and/or wear to the locking recesses. This process though takes 10s of thousands of rounds before enough headspace is lost to not pass a Field gauge. Please remember that a No-Go is different from a Field too.
Great review! I do have one question. What is reasonable price to pay for this rifle today? I just put a down payment on one at a gun show and want to make sure I am not overpaying. Also, is this the same AKML century made only 250 of? Any help is appreciated!!
Do you guys have a recommended alarm system, for obvious reasons. I live in the state MA. Restrictive but being a 20yr old I inherited a milled sks type-53. The receiver still has the milling swirl marks. It's a Norinco. Do you have any Norinco milled sks? I plan on moving to a less restrictive state. I would like your guys opinion on Norinco and how their quality is.
Hey Misha or Jay, I found a Romanian SAR-3 on GB for $1,138 that comes with five 30 round mags, two 5 rounders, sling and carrying case. I've really been wanting a 5.56 AK. Is this a good price or nah?
Cheaper isn’t better. Ak-47 is an exceptional hun, if not the best as of yet built (my opinion). I absolutely love my milled 1960. Snatched it from a pawn shop who didn’t know what they had for a really good price. Someone had put some kind of black almost rubberized paint on the stock that I took off and replaced the front hand guard with synthetic which should be a sin. Finding furniture may not be always easy and milled may be heavy but in the end the damn thing runs smoother than butter.
Interestingly, while Poland made lower handguards and buttstocks in hardwood (later laminate too of course), they seem to have made upper handguards near-exclusively from laminated wood.
Misha hey there I was wondering if you can give me some advice Misha I have a WASR with a TDI hand guard and I recently purchased a cleaning rod from Atlantic firearms and it will not fully go all the way in what do you think is the problem? I took it apart and can’t seem to see what’s the problem because nothing seems to be in the way.
Century and their "American milled receivers" are, in my experience, junk.I sold my Saiga 7.62 for an "American" C39v1 (and that for a v2) and I'll never buy from them again..
While I'm not surprised you had issues with a C39, I am surprised you got 2 of them (and traded a Russian for it at that!). You are a glutton for punishment my friend 😆 Anyway, the release of the M1960 predates the C39 by 6+ years, and if I remember right I believe Misha mentioned he didn't think the receivers were made in-house either, and with this being a kit build vs all new US production (like the C39) they're different, seemingly properly made, animals.
@@jaysblades I was a victim of marketing. I got another Saiga though. The V1 was nice. Left hand charging, went with almost every magazine, shot flat, smooth action, g2 trigger, etc. Then I educated myself after all the negative reception and horror stories came in. Even Jim Fuller spoke out against them and said they were engaging in deceptive practices by using Korean die cast steel for the receivers. Got my Saiga back and will never spend another cent on a century product.
Hey Jay, you gave me some advice on my AK that prevented me from selling it; now it's completely customized and the issue it had is gone.
Hope you and Misha are doing well!
Jay it’s great to see you do a video. We never get to see you cause you’re always behind the camera. You know a lot about AK’s.
Sheesh the camera you are using is awesome. Great video. So much content can be made on Kalashnikov pattern rifles. There is just so much needed to be known and not a whole lot of easy to find answers, but you guys do a fantastic job at Mishaco
Thanks! Recorded, edited and uploaded on a Pixel 2 if you can believe it.
The sound alone is amazing dosent even sound like an Ak action lol nice gun sir
Jay, I have a 57 parts kit I bought a couple of years ago. Looks like it was unfired going to use it on a sharps brothers receiver. Your not kidding about smooth. That bolt in the carrier is like a piece of ice.
Kevin Springer how much are the sharps receivers where are you going to buy one?
I got a Polish kbk AK47 "N" kit from Apex gunparts and TRA builit it on a Tortort reciever with a Bulgarian classic barrel. My favorite AK. Its art.
What was the condition of the parts kit like?
Excellent. I wish I could post a picture
@@noelr2502 same here I can only imagine how great it looks.
I also got a similar kit from Arms of America when they were just $399! That one had slight bluing wear. Still waiting on its completion by Two Rivers.
Thanks. I had the chance to shoot one. Really smooth shooter and was more pleasant to shoot than stamped receiver.
I generally find that to be the case too, though I know academically there shouldn't be any reason for it other than the weight. Maybe the smooth bolt travel helps cut down in some felt vibration?
@@jaysblades Exactly what you said. I'm sure the weight cuts more the vibration and the butterly bolt carrier traveling and also noted the tubular recoil spring has to help as well. I think its all the combination that makes it a more smooth shooting rifle than stamped receiver.
Thank you for your reply!
This video prompted me to purchase this same rifle. I've always loved my smooooth milled Arsenal, circa 2001, but wanted a more traditional looking AK. Sportsman's Outdoor Superstore listed one of these in their used section for the premium price of $1499. While doing a little research to see just how overpriced it may be, I came across this video. After just hearing the sound of your action I went back to the SOS sight and hit the buy button. No regrets. And though I've lived in Texas 30 years, I grew up in Minnesota, which is where the receivers were made. Added bonus. Keep up the great work and say "Hi" to Misha!
Man, thats beautiful ak
This is one of my favorite firearms. The internal parts are robust and although its heavy it's an awesome weapon.
Beautiful rifle! Im getting a mak90 this friday! Was going to get an older zastava then i stumbled across the mak today, I got to have it ! Haha , love what you guys do , thanks for sharing with us! Stay well stay safe!
I got hold of a Polish 1960 KBGN kit with the gas block switch. Got 1,000 dollars in it time I got a receiver and got built. It's second in line behind my Russian Type 3.
This one was my first and right now only AK you are right the bolt action is smooth. My only issue is it's very difficult to find any accessories for type 3 milled receivers.
I have 2 of the m70abm, Yugoslavian parts kits with milled underfolder receivers. I gave one to my oldest son and the other is my favorite AK. I would love to find one of the polish builds but they're getting up there in price when you find a nice one. Excellent rifles. I believe the ABM's will stand the test of time also.
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That's the price of the Parts kit at AOA
ATM
With accessories etc.
The sights on mine were canted one direction and the gas block the other. I redrilled and installed oversized pins.
I have a polish kit I need to build some day, I hope it turns out as nice as that one! Thanks for the video.
Holy crap! I too had an AES-10b for my first AK (RPK). I recently got a WASR-10 UF to keep it company. Cheers Jay, that's a beauty of a rifle.
Picked one of these up in February for about 1650$, you’re 100% right about it having the smoothest action, my Maadi feels gritty as hell in comparison haha.
Polish AK action is very smooth, because they have a nice "Polished" bolt carrier. I have a Romanian WASR and a Polish WBP Fox, the difference are huge.
Very shiny!
What a beautiful piece of Art
There are still polytech triggers available (new old stock).
Thanks Jay.
Rich.
Very cool and I have only seen a handful of the early Century Polish milled AKs.
Man finding a M1960 AK either fairly used or unused is quite rare. They're priced high but worth buying if you have the right amount of money
We all know alot about AK's now thanks to Misha.
Cool I was waiting for this one 😀
What’s better for the AK platform,? Stamped or Milled? I’m told stamped and sloppy is more in line with the AK.
Stamped, it'll save you money and function the same.
Milled is heavier but more rigid, which only slightly contributes to accuracy. Some milled receivers have been known to crack under heavy use, but the average weekend shooter will never push their AK/AKM that hard. Milled is also more expensive.
Different flavors I guess. I've moved on from the Kalashnikov world, but they can really sing if you know how to lube it.
Glad I subed to this channel !
For practical sakes, stamped because of weight and price. For coolness factor and also having a receiver that will literally never break if properly made (Bulgarian current issue rifles are milled 556 AK).
As much as I love the smoothness of a milled AK, for practically, the weight savings pushes me to generally prefer stamped as well. I don't think any benefits as mentioned here *outweigh* that factor.
Cool story how you met misha!
Oh, I'm so ready to get spoiled. There's a little more saving up to do, but later this year I'll make a WBP my first AK. 😁
A guy has one of these on gunbroker right now. He is asking 5500 if I remember right and that is absolutely crazy, I bought mine in beautiful condition for 1300 all said and done. What this guy doesn’t know, is that the pmk did yes have a milled receiver, but on the original the receiver would have a an oval with an 11 in it and here’s the big part, the barrel was screwed into the receiver and not pinned. I mentioned to this guy his price was ridiculous and he’ll never get that out of it. Fifty five hundred is ridiculous for a parts kit build with century on it. I don’t know what group of wizards at century quit or got fired but their guns are not the same. Older ones were definitely nicer and not rushed. Everything done right. Another and last thing, the pmk also came with a wood pistol grip…
You have great taste
My wife does - she's the one who convinced me to buy it, or rather, she takes credit for it! She also talked me out of getting a Desert Eagle so there's probably some credibility in her side of the story.
Behind every great man there is a great lady
Any idea how many of these Century put on the market?
I bet even they don't know for sure. AT a pure guess? 3,000-4,0000...and that's based on expert analysis of.....nothing lol
Overlooked these several years ago and now they are going on Gunbroker for close to Polytech prices lol.
This is a awesome gun. This was my first AK and it is still my favorite. I think this is Century Arms forgotten magnum opus. It is a shame that after the Polish 1960 there really hasn't been any AKs on the U.S. market like this. The 1960 was the last affordable milled AK-47 in the proper type 3 configuration, at least that I'm aware of. I would love to see these old AKs make a comeback like the old ARs did with Brownells retro line.
Sharps are the only us made milled receivers I can think of
I love Polish guns! Their furniture is quite nice as well!
Where can I find a polish 1960 milled bolt, bolt carrier and recoil spring assembly? Or a parts kit containing those?
How about showing us some SKS’s?
Were can I find stamp receiver wood stock only poly tech?
A milled receiver is always better than the stamped receiver.
Very cool.
Beautiful. $$1500+ in today’s panic market. I wouldn’t let go of my WasR for less than that if I was crazy enough to even sell
It.
I’ve had people offer me more, last guy offered me 2200 for mine. But I love this damn thing. It’s a beast.
Hopefully, WBP releases some milled AKs and someone agrees to import them. Atlantic said they're too busy meeting the demand for the WBP Fox.
I help run a small shop and range in Harrison, ar. Id love to come see you guys some time.
Do you by any chance know where I can find a bullet guide for a 1958 milled polish ak47 been looking everywhere and cant find one its the only piece I need to complete my build
Do you have a video explaining the older and newer version of the polish ak47 pistol? And if its made by I.O
Please qnswer questions soon
Soon!
Most beautiful ak47. Polish made quality ❤
This was my first AK i bought believe in 2011 and think century out sourced these builds. paid the same you paid for yours. only ak i think to take its own version of a bayonet and think they had some with different furniture (buttstock) as some had grenade launching abilities? also mine was off a no matching parts kit even some parts showed wear (gas piston and dust cover) was your matching? anyway pretty nice rifle since ive owned it i maybe put 500 to 600 rounds through it. was thinking about selling seeing what they are going for (2k to 2500) but im torn. also mine has the slant break where did you get your break from?
Do these have a screwed and pinned barrel? Do any, besides the original Russian type 3? Are screwed in barrels resistant to headspace issues?
Originally as made in Poland? Yes. The CAI 1960 Sporter? Its a Press+Pin just as most US builds are (even old ones from say Gordon Tech).
And, it is easier to set and adjust the headspace with a press/pin barrel compared with screw-in.
@@misha5670 Thanks, but once the headspace is set is it harder to lose that headspace on a screwed in?
Nope, not really. If a barrel is properly installed, you loose headspace due to wear to the bolt lugs and/or wear to the locking recesses. This process though takes 10s of thousands of rounds before enough headspace is lost to not pass a Field gauge. Please remember that a No-Go is different from a Field too.
@@misha5670 Thank you. "Knowledge is power." "And knowing is half the battle." All that.
Is the action smooth like the Galil Ace or smooth like the Bren 805? I've been eyeing these on and off for a while
Great review! I do have one question. What is reasonable price to pay for this rifle today? I just put a down payment on one at a gun show and want to make sure I am not overpaying. Also, is this the same AKML century made only 250 of? Any help is appreciated!!
Do you guys have a recommended alarm system, for obvious reasons. I live in the state MA. Restrictive but being a 20yr old I inherited a milled sks type-53. The receiver still has the milling swirl marks. It's a Norinco. Do you have any Norinco milled sks? I plan on moving to a less restrictive state. I would like your guys opinion on Norinco and how their quality is.
Type 56 you mean
Hey Misha or Jay,
I found a Romanian SAR-3 on GB for $1,138 that comes with five 30 round mags, two 5 rounders, sling and carrying case.
I've really been wanting a 5.56 AK. Is this a good price or nah?
Is that magazine wobble I hear?
Yeah. I just tossed an ancient polish surplus in for the video, first one I grabbed.
Understood thanks for the response big fan of the channel
Most mags wobble in most AKs.
Any idea how many of these were made? I've been looking for one locally for years. Building one looks to be over 1k
Not sure how many were built. I love mine.
So you actually used The Russian method of fixing your front sight
*slams shot of vodka* If it works is it stupid?!?! Blyat!
That is a beautiful rifles dude
Very cool
Oooo...its getting very swordy behind you :)
I see some parts kits on Arms of America for sale, all the money dumped into a milled receiver makes it useless.
How so? Can make a nice, fun Polish inspired AK out of one.
@@misha5670 Way more expensive than a wasr, it costs a thousand to make one. Stamped guns are way cheaper.
Cheaper isn’t better. Ak-47 is an exceptional hun, if not the best as of yet built (my opinion). I absolutely love my milled 1960. Snatched it from a pawn shop who didn’t know what they had for a really good price. Someone had put some kind of black almost rubberized paint on the stock that I took off and replaced the front hand guard with synthetic which should be a sin. Finding furniture may not be always easy and milled may be heavy but in the end the damn thing runs smoother than butter.
Most ak story ever. Canted front sight ? Hit um with a hammer didnt work hit it again
💯
So pretty
And soooo smooth.
Can I have it?
I have that rifle!!
Ya done good
Me too, absolutely lovely
That upper handguard tho.
Interestingly, while Poland made lower handguards and buttstocks in hardwood (later laminate too of course), they seem to have made upper handguards near-exclusively from laminated wood.
Misha hey there I was wondering if you can give me some advice Misha I have a WASR with a TDI hand guard and I recently purchased a cleaning rod from Atlantic firearms and it will not fully go all the way in what do you think is the problem? I took it apart and can’t seem to see what’s the problem because nothing seems to be in the way.
Eez NICE 👌.....Borat
no need to ask "is she pretty?"
Century and their "American milled receivers" are, in my experience, junk.I sold my Saiga 7.62 for an "American" C39v1 (and that for a v2) and I'll never buy from them again..
While I'm not surprised you had issues with a C39, I am surprised you got 2 of them (and traded a Russian for it at that!). You are a glutton for punishment my friend 😆
Anyway, the release of the M1960 predates the C39 by 6+ years, and if I remember right I believe Misha mentioned he didn't think the receivers were made in-house either, and with this being a kit build vs all new US production (like the C39) they're different, seemingly properly made, animals.
@@jaysblades I was a victim of marketing.
I got another Saiga though.
The V1 was nice. Left hand charging, went with almost every magazine, shot flat, smooth action, g2 trigger, etc.
Then I educated myself after all the negative reception and horror stories came in. Even Jim Fuller spoke out against them and said they were engaging in deceptive practices by using Korean die cast steel for the receivers.
Got my Saiga back and will never spend another cent on a century product.