Had Phillip shown even a bit of kindness and compassion and understanding to his wife here...what a HUGE difference that would of made in their lives...and his...
The hard part about this scene is that they are both right and both wrong. To the extent that the Queen made certain promises to her husband about the children's education, then those should be honored; however, the education of a future King IS Crown business, and therefore, she has to balance being a wife and mother and sovereign. He being menacing and using divorce as a weapon = abusive and bad. Her using the Crown as a trap door and trump card = emasculating and bad.
If you look at how Charles, Edward and Andrew turned out, due to their mother’s influence, maybe a tough school would have been what they needed. While Philip sounds harsh, the Queen does owe him this promise, for she has broken promise after after in the previous season, respecting the out-of-touch bureaucrats and traditionalists more than her own family, all because she allowed herself to be influenced by those same pompous people: not changing her last name to Mountbatten (the Windsors hypocritically and cowardly changed their name when they supported a war that betrayed their German cousins). not keeping her original residence (who cares if King George made Buckingham the royal residence? it was her choice to change that). not allowing her sister to marry who she wanted (again, who cares if a law was made by some narrow-minded king who wanted to control his sons? She was head of the Church of England, so it was her call).
Marriage is a contractual arrangement. Contracts are revised and revisted when necessary. How is it "abusive" when he reminded her about the terms of her contract with him?
Friend...if I was her...not only would I play the Crown card, I'd throw the whole deck at him! I'd of sent half the RAF and a tank battalion (or 2) to bring him home just to prove my point! Her son was being physically and emotionally bullied and he could care less......
@@fourthgirl Boiling down marriage to simply a contractual agreement is the grossest oversimplification...and that's coming from a lawyer whose job is to read contracts all day. Since I have to explain it, it's abusive exactly because he's using marriage as a contract...and treating it as something he can and will leave or make difficult, which would hurt no one but the Queen - and he knows it.
Slightly different but high school for me was completely different from that of my parents' and they didn't expect that, so they didn't know how to help me. It was a chore at best even though I wanted to learn and at worst times, emotional torture.
@ unfortunately fame and luxury has its price. Monarchs would never see it as abuse like we would and even if they did they would turn a blind eye to it.
A wise man considers that not everyone responds to the same stimulus in the same way. Kung Fu Panda explains it well, when Master Shifu tells Po that he can't be trained with the same method that Shifu used for the Furious Five. Philip's mistake was to believe that Charles would forge his character at Gordonstoun similarly to how he did when he was a kid. But Charles had a very different personality. Had he attended Eton, it would have been far better.
@ Also, and I can’t believe I’m having to clarify this, DOES HE REALLY THINK HES THE PARAGON OF A GOOD MAN? Dude is literally threatening to cheat on his wife if he doesn’t get his way 😂 what the FACK
I feel I when I watched The Crown the first time round it was a bit of a blur!! These little clips of The Crown do help in understanding the bigger picture a bit better!!
He is so horrible to her in this scene. She is 1000% correct in what she is saying to him and tells him how much their child is truly hurting and shows him how much she also is hurting...and how does he respond? He responds back with verbal abuse and threats. I'd say I lost ALL respect for him here, but that happened in episode 3 on the boat...
@@taymur0804 Nah it was episode 3...on the boat...when Phillip tells Elizabeth their marriage is a "prison" and he yells how upset he is that his son "outranks" him....that whole conversation is when I lost all respect for him.
Elizabeth spoiled and pampered Charles for many years. By the time she got tough with him, think the Diana years, it was too little & too late. That probably irritated Philip. It certainly didn't help to prepare Charles for adulthood, or the monarchy. Philip saw Gordonstoun as a way to balance that. As for the reference to their wedding vows ... theirs was a very modern marriage when traditional roles were assumed by husbands and wives. It had to be difficult, from time to time, on both of them. To that I can only add, what spouse today (male or female) wouldn't be angry if they felt their vows were not being honored?
Phillip was wrong about Gordonstoun for Charles. But he was right about the marriage - "you can't always fall back on the crown" as the closing trump card. In the end everything can be made into a State issue and then any hint of a marriage is toast.
I agree. The Queen overplayed “the Crown card”; she repeatedly broke promises to her family (promises to things that were not harmful to the State) over “the Crown”, when in actuality she was too weak to stand up to the pompous administration.
I understand that they were both wrong here in how they acted/reacted. Phillip saw his 'authority' as a parent, the only real authority he had, being undermined. However, a lot of the time it was more like Elizabeth, at least in this series, used the Crown as a crutch for when she made decisions, an excuse. "The Crown demands this or that".
I don’t know what Philip was playing at. His father was the youngest Prince of a displaced King. He is way too far down the succession for the Danish thrown and he was given favor in the UK because his mother was a granddaughter of Victoria. None of his sisters were safe. His safety and comfort in the world came from his marriage. I understand why he was so committed to Gourdston but I think the founder was dead by the time Charles went so it could be different. Much to Philip’s dismay, Charles, William, and now George are different than their siblings.
Had Phillip shown even a bit of kindness and compassion and understanding to his wife here...what a HUGE difference that would of made in their lives...and his...
The hard part about this scene is that they are both right and both wrong. To the extent that the Queen made certain promises to her husband about the children's education, then those should be honored; however, the education of a future King IS Crown business, and therefore, she has to balance being a wife and mother and sovereign. He being menacing and using divorce as a weapon = abusive and bad. Her using the Crown as a trap door and trump card = emasculating and bad.
Promises should be able to be broken if you have a unhappy child. He should see it not as emasculating but as being reasonable.
If you look at how Charles, Edward and Andrew turned out, due to their mother’s influence, maybe a tough school would have been what they needed. While Philip sounds harsh, the Queen does owe him this promise, for she has broken promise after after in the previous season, respecting the out-of-touch bureaucrats and traditionalists more than her own family, all because she allowed herself to be influenced by those same pompous people:
not changing her last name to Mountbatten (the Windsors hypocritically and cowardly changed their name when they supported a war that betrayed their German cousins).
not keeping her original residence (who cares if King George made Buckingham the royal residence? it was her choice to change that).
not allowing her sister to marry who she wanted (again, who cares if a law was made by some narrow-minded king who wanted to control his sons? She was head of the Church of England, so it was her call).
Marriage is a contractual arrangement. Contracts are revised and revisted when necessary. How is it "abusive" when he reminded her about the terms of her contract with him?
Friend...if I was her...not only would I play the Crown card, I'd throw the whole deck at him! I'd of sent half the RAF and a tank battalion (or 2) to bring him home just to prove my point! Her son was being physically and emotionally bullied and he could care less......
@@fourthgirl Boiling down marriage to simply a contractual agreement is the grossest oversimplification...and that's coming from a lawyer whose job is to read contracts all day. Since I have to explain it, it's abusive exactly because he's using marriage as a contract...and treating it as something he can and will leave or make difficult, which would hurt no one but the Queen - and he knows it.
Okay, I don't like Philip here. Gordonstoun may have helped him, but that don't mean it would help Charles.
Slightly different but high school for me was completely different from that of my parents' and they didn't expect that, so they didn't know how to help me. It was a chore at best even though I wanted to learn and at worst times, emotional torture.
Babying a future king won’t help either. If Charles couldn’t even handle boarding school how well would he be able to handle leading a country.
That place was just the worst, though. They literally beat kids in to “toughness”. That’s not babying, that’s avoiding abuse.
@ unfortunately fame and luxury has its price. Monarchs would never see it as abuse like we would and even if they did they would turn a blind eye to it.
@@kibauno That’s definitely true. Nothing in that family is normal, man. It’s just so goddamn weird.
A wise man considers that not everyone responds to the same stimulus in the same way. Kung Fu Panda explains it well, when Master Shifu tells Po that he can't be trained with the same method that Shifu used for the Furious Five.
Philip's mistake was to believe that Charles would forge his character at Gordonstoun similarly to how he did when he was a kid. But Charles had a very different personality. Had he attended Eton, it would have been far better.
@ Also, and I can’t believe I’m having to clarify this, DOES HE REALLY THINK HES THE PARAGON OF A GOOD MAN? Dude is literally threatening to cheat on his wife if he doesn’t get his way 😂 what the FACK
LOL, I dont even remember this scene. It's new to me, but I'm glad I came across it, I need to watch this episode again😳
I feel I when I watched The Crown the first time round it was a bit of a blur!! These little clips of The Crown do help in understanding the bigger picture a bit better!!
I want Claire Foy as my mom.
This is one of those moments where the other half is absolutely 100% right. Philip has absolutely a horrible sense of parenting here.
He is so horrible to her in this scene. She is 1000% correct in what she is saying to him and tells him how much their child is truly hurting and shows him how much she also is hurting...and how does he respond? He responds back with verbal abuse and threats. I'd say I lost ALL respect for him here, but that happened in episode 3 on the boat...
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@@taymur0804 Nah it was episode 3...on the boat...when Phillip tells Elizabeth their marriage is a "prison" and he yells how upset he is that his son "outranks" him....that whole conversation is when I lost all respect for him.
Elizabeth spoiled and pampered Charles for many years. By the time she got tough with him, think the Diana years, it was too little & too late. That probably irritated Philip. It certainly didn't help to prepare Charles for adulthood, or the monarchy. Philip saw Gordonstoun as a way to balance that. As for the reference to their wedding vows ... theirs was a very modern marriage when traditional roles were assumed by husbands and wives. It had to be difficult, from time to time, on both of them. To that I can only add, what spouse today (male or female) wouldn't be angry if they felt their vows were not being honored?
Phillip was wrong about Gordonstoun for Charles. But he was right about the marriage - "you can't always fall back on the crown" as the closing trump card. In the end everything can be made into a State issue and then any hint of a marriage is toast.
I agree. The Queen overplayed “the Crown card”; she repeatedly broke promises to her family (promises to things that were not harmful to the State) over “the Crown”, when in actuality she was too weak to stand up to the pompous administration.
I understand that they were both wrong here in how they acted/reacted. Phillip saw his 'authority' as a parent, the only real authority he had, being undermined. However, a lot of the time it was more like Elizabeth, at least in this series, used the Crown as a crutch for when she made decisions, an excuse. "The Crown demands this or that".
I don’t know what Philip was playing at. His father was the youngest Prince of a displaced King. He is way too far down the succession for the Danish thrown and he was given favor in the UK because his mother was a granddaughter of Victoria. None of his sisters were safe. His safety and comfort in the world came from his marriage. I understand why he was so committed to Gourdston but I think the founder was dead by the time Charles went so it could be different. Much to Philip’s dismay, Charles, William, and now George are different than their siblings.
This scene pissed me off. Philip was a total ass and clearly threatened his wife and Queen. Hopefully no conversation like this actually happened.
Humans are not perfect and sometimes humans are mean beyond words, even ones that are kind and thoughtful. We all have our moments, unfortunately.
Phillip: Fine!
Philip was an ass for sending him to that hell on earth. Don't you want the best for your children Phil??