Tilak Devasher: Pakistan will have to reconsider its policy of courting India's hostility
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Tilak Devasher, renowned for his expertise on Pakistan, has authored four highly acclaimed books. His debut work, "Pakistan: Courting the Abyss" (2016), was lauded as ‘easily the best book on Pakistan' by Khaled Ahmed, a distinguished Pakistani commentator. His second book, "Pakistan: At the Helm" (2018), was described by Pakistani reviewer Mehr F. Husain in Dawn (August 26, 2018) as a book that should rest on the bedside table of any future Pakistani leader.
Muhammad Akbar Notezai of Dawn, reviewing Devasher's third book, "Pakistan: The Balochistan Conundrum" (2019), hailed it as superior to writings on the same topic by domestic academics and authors. The Dawn further acknowledged that it was “among the most well-researched and balanced books on the subject.” His latest publication, "The Pashtuns: A Contested History," (2022) has also been received well.
Having retired from his position as special secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat of the Government of India in October 2014, Devasher currently holds a seat on the National Security Advisory Board (NSAB), a 12-member body. He also serves as a consultant at the Vivekananda International Foundation.
Throughout his professional journey, he contributed significantly in various capacities in regions such as Jammu and Kashmir, Delhi, and overseas. His specialization in security matters, particularly those concerning India's neighboring countries, culminated in his transition to writing after retirement. Beyond his literary works, he has penned articles for numerous newspapers, magazines, and think tank publications. Among his regular contributions are pieces for the Indian Express, Tribune, and occasional features in India Today. Additionally, he is a familiar face on television talk shows.
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Shakil Chaudhary is an alumnus of Government College, Lahore. Subsequently, he studied international relations at Quaid-i-Azam University Islamabad and media at the London School of Economics. He has worked for several English-language newspapers.
He has written a critically acclaimed bilingual book, Handbook of Functional English (Ferozsons), to help those who wish to improve their English skills. Prof. Tariq Rahman, one of the finest linguistic scholars in South Asia, has praised it in these words: "This book is an excellent guide for the South Asian user of the English language. It gives examples of both the British and American varieties of English and provides guidelines to avoid the common errors of most Pakistanis when they write and speak English. It is also a comprehensive guide for pronunciation, vocabulary, editing and all other aspects of English usage. It has been written with great care and attention. I recommend it to students, editors, writers and other users of English in Pakistan."
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Excellent discussion! Love it! Religion has destroyed Pakistan, we desperately need a change in our education system! We need modern education with critical thinking! India is not our enemy we are our own enemy!
@user-wr5fe2pt7l agreed! Nothing happens overnight! First and foremost thing is a desire for change and we don’t even have that!
@@mohsinafzaal7159agreed, changing textbooks and arresting terrorists is step 0 - at least a statement of intent - real change will take at least 2 decades after that
i never heard a pragmatic comment before.
True. .. ❤❤❤
Yes, religion into every sphere of life is not workable 🙏
zaid hamid aur Abdul Basit dono true Pakistani mindset ko represent karte hai.........
Such people should be encouraged do that madrasachachap brainwashed Jihadis dream about 72 hoors with their 135 feet height, 75 transparent clothing through which momins can see their blood veins, they will serve them choicest wine and stand in queue to have sex with momin.... idiots are longing for everything in Jannat that is abhorred in their life on Earth...this actually their perverted and frustrated sex starving... highest number of people surfing porn site are momins...
My honest feeling is that Pakistan and India can never coexist, and Pakistan will continue to prove to be India's major headache. Truth be told, India would never like to touch Pakistan even with a bargepole, leave alone entertaining the idea of undoing the partition. For heaven's sake, leave India alone, and we will survive and thrive very well without anything to do with Pakistan.
In my honest opinion, India could become a major country if it stops placing Pakistan in any facet of life and keeps surging forward with all its internal resources at its command. The vast majority of the country, with the exception of a few like Mani Shankar Iyer, firmly holds the view that Pakistan should never feature in any aspect of life or thought. Instead, India should forge an unassailable identity of its own and become a formidable force to reckon with in the world.
Paxstan will not let us live peacefully if they have enough to eat.
Absolutely spot on!
Very well said!
Agreed
I couldn't have agreed more on what you have said. You are spot on.
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Sir I respect you and your most of guest but some of your guest talking nonsense so sometimes uncivil comment come from depth involuntary
Shakil Sahib, your debates and your guests are always sensible 🙂 Kudos to you 🥰
Sir, Pakistan has no parity with India....even difficult to feed our people now🙏
Dear Sir You are doing excellent job in inciting a thoughtful conversation in Pakistan. However you are up against a very powerful deep state which stands on only on hating India. If India and Pakistan become friends then Pakistan does not need such huge spending on Army All the generals enjoying in US,Canada,UK has to pack up and comeback. Pakistan deep state got everything to loose from this situation. India moved on from Pakistan but it's just pain in the neck that needs to be handled. What are your thoughts?
Pl bring one interview with zaid hamid alsio 😂😂😂😂
Mr. Devasher, let the Army of Pakistan continue to think that Indian Army is no good.
He has been a Top Officer of India's Premier External Agency ,R&AW 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Shows the level of people in India & compare them with Rogues in ISI, says it all I attended a lecture by chap called Durrani @Oxford Uni, trust me , he horrified the audience with his views & remarks , regarding loss of human lives !
@@RajPatel-jx5px I feel the problem with ISI is that it is run by Army officers who don't have a clue about Intelligence while Our R&AW and IB is run by Career Intelligence officers.
@@MohdNisar-zm6bo It is not only about intelligence but the ideology, mindset which drives Pakistan.
@@madandu completely agreed 🙏
this journo says, debate hai, dam banane chahiye ya nahi, level dekho iska, ye debate waha sahi hai jahan dam ka main purpose electricity generation hai, jahan life depend karti hai dams ke stored paani pe. wahan in debates pe sochna bhi dumbness hai.
Heard Parvez Hoodbhoy, he too sounded pretty heavy Hinduohobic.
वो भी टिपिकल पाकिस्तानी जलकुकड़ा है। ब्लैकहोल के एक प्रोग्राम में आज ही उसने चंद्रयान मिशन को कोई बड़ी सक्सेस नहीं बताया... साधारण इवेंट के तौर पर पेश किया है।
Parvez looses his ability to think rationally when faced with Hindu civilization and its deep roots in science culture philosophy. He just cannot bring himself to acknowledge that Hindu civilization has achieved much because the denigration filter overcomes rationality and wise informed analysis 🧐
He has the maximum rationality and objectivity a Pakistani Muslim can have.
@@NDX76 बिल्कुल सही सर। वो भी भारत की प्रगति को हिन्दू प्रगति कहकर प्रत्येक प्रगति को कम दिखाना चाहता है।
अभिषेक जी ने एक दिन पाकिस्तानी एक यू ट्यूब चैनल पर क्लास लेनी शुरू की थी पर उनको पूरा समय नहीं मिला और अब वो कभी भी अभिषेक जी के साथ आएगा नहीं!!!
@@shyamsunderchoudhary8866 science की अपेक्षाकृत थोड़ी ज़्यादा जानकारी होने के कारण उसे कुछ ज़्यादा ही हाइप दी जाती है... वास्तव में उसकी अंधों में काना राजा जैसी स्थिति है... मासूम भारतीय उसे सिर्फ इसलिए पसंद करते है क्योंकि वो पाकिस्तान की आलोचना कर देता है लेकिन वो है हिन्दूफोबिक ही और भारत की तरक़्क़ी से चिढ़ता है... लेकिन इंटेलेक्चुअल होने का जो ठप्पा लगा दिया है इस कारण खुलकर ज़ाहिर नहीं करता।
After many days heard something worthwhile from a very knowledgeable and articulate tilak diveshar ji
We don't want any kind of relationship with pakistan 👎🏻
Tilak Devasher himself knows 🇵🇰 will never change Its a Reality for 🇮🇳
@Shakil Sir, You will be surprised to know that not a single scientist or engineer in Chandrayaan 3 project is from IIT. You can understand what is the level of education even in non-IIT institutes.
Recently Pakistan blamed India for anti Christian riots in Pakistan.
For every such blame game, Indians are all the more convinced that we should not talk or trade with Pakistan.
As far as Pakistan is concerned, Indian government will not go against the sentiments of it's citizens.
Therefore, it's important for Pakistan to manage its image with Indian people if it wants normalisation of relationship with India.
First of all, Pakistan should remove hate speech against Hindus & India in it's school text books. ( India never did anything similar to that against Pakistan)
Finally Devasher sir joined your esteemed platform. Thank you Shakil ji. Jai Hind
India has bright future if pakistan is left out.
Relation with Pakistan is way over blown, it suits punjabi people only.
I.Ramamurthy
Thank Q Dr.Shakil Chaudhury Sab for having a good interview with Mr.Tilak Devesher of Indian popular Intelligent. The interview was quite interesting towards India and Pak.
With best wishes
Jai Hind
ayoda amma -what's with the weird formality "I.Ramamurthy "? affidavit
It was a pleasure reading 'The Balochistan Conundrum' by Mr.Tilak.The feeling i got after reading it and seeing how the army is dealing with the conundrum; a flood of knowledge going down into the ocean,wasted,untapped unused.( Alluding to Mr.Tilaks views on Chenab-size waters being wasted every year).'Courting the Abyss' too is a well written book with great educational value.We have not seen our public servants present literature of such value.
There is no question of India ever coming terms with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And we the indigenous people of India do not want anything to go with Pakistan
Very true
Very true
Very polite and excellent discussion. No blame game, purely based on facts.
You can clearly see differences between when Pakistani guest come nd when Indian
Right,the superiority complex has been damaging us badly and excluding us in the South Asia 🙏🌹🇵🇰
You mask your inferiority complex with a superiority complex. Descendants of people who were defeated in war and forcefully converted will always feel inferior to those who resisted and stayed true to their religion. To escape their inferiority they start identifying with their captors (Stockholm syndrome) and hence call them selves Central Asians and Afghans and Arabs. The presence of Hindus who are thriving inspite and despite you all remind you of your deep shame. Hence Zaid Hamid and Hamid Gul talk about Ghazwe e Hind to anhilate a superior race.
@@shrisheel👍🏼👌🏼
@@shrisheelit appears that every dick,tom & Harry from Pakistan who thinks that he is liberal secular intellectual wants to have good relations with India,want soft borders,people to people contact & peace & as such they host certain people from India who are still suffering from Jimmy mentality & have soft corner for Pakistan & Pakistanis.We Indians should let us be fooled by such propoganda from the people from both side & avoid any relations with Pakistan.We can never trust them
@@shrisheel👍👏👏
@@shrisheel...a 1300 yr old obsession. Nothing good has come off these fake jingoistic uneducated & disoriented punks to the pakistanis.
Shakil shaheb you are really a gem In journalism fraternity. ❤️ ❤ from India
Thanks a lot.
Mr. Tilak represents what ordinary Indian think about Pakistan, we want a peaceful and civilized pakistan and not jehadi Pakistan.
He is an excellent person and i always love to listen sir. We indian first country and then religion. Pakistan's downfall is mainly Islamalization.
I think it is best If Borders stay tightly closed.
And if ever People from India and Paksitan are to meet, then they can meet in Dubai, Abu Dhabhi which is nearby.
India is United & Marching Forward...
🙏🏻🇮🇳🕉️🇮🇳🙏🏿
Sail Sir, Had you heard about "Bander ke Hath me Ustara".... Here Bandar is Pakistan and Ustara is Jehad.... Pakistan won't Prosper... Reason is Education, Islam and Mulla-Military Nexus... Genocide of Every Type has happened... 26% Minorities in 195q and now....
Excellent interview. This must be compulsory viewing for all the Namoonas presented on the channel by Shakil sahab 👏🏾
Quite interesting and informative programme indeed..
Yesterday, I watched you in Black Hole by Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy...
Gradually and gradually learned and logical people like you, are becoming more and more popular in India..
Keep doing the good work..
Jai Hind 🇮🇳 🙏
Shakil sahab is one person who I'm sure was genuinely happy with this for being a global achievement and not unhappy that it is india who did it
Unfortunately we have intellectuals sitting on the media all the times include irshad bhatti, hassan nisar, ayaz amir, sami ibrahim etc who are shapping the political understanding of people of pskistan. Shame on us.
Your establishment wants them. Because they want to keep the two nation theory alive. Good for Us Bharatiya too. Self destruction without any enemy involvement.
Name me a single book by so called intellectual. I am regular reader of dawn and i have never seen a single article/essay by so called intellectual!
Thanks!!
sad
@@twinklestar8275more mslms live in india than in Pakistan, we are riped for another partition if don't recognise the enemy within
My heartiest regards to both esteemed host & guest . Such debates r highly intellectual and academic hence should be repeated.🙏
हर तरफ़ लिखा है भारत,
सिक्का जहां भी उछाला जाये..
हर जीत पक्की है सनातन की,
जहाँ तक भी भाला जाए 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻..
जय हिन्द
जय भारत..
जय जवान,
जय विज्ञानं 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Sir, there is a hindi popular 2 liner ; play a flute before a buffalo, and the buffalo will keep on chewing the cud.
I am familiar with the proverb bhens kay aagay been bajaana.
Good afternoon from nice bank holiday day in London to you SC & your esteemed guest, very enlightening chat, just ordered courting with abyss. I am retired old man & have developed taste in current affairs globally, however my background was always in Law & Merchant Banking. TY, for these top quality presentations to us novices .
Pakistan is not anti India . Actually Pakistani are anti Hindu. Jai Bharat.🙏.
I loved the video. Your guest is brilliant and well informed. You are doing great service to your viewers. Stay away from jokers like Aftab Iqbal. I watched him critisze Pervaiz Hoodboy simply because his religious beliefs differed from his own. Shame. Keep doing the good work.
Thanks for such informative discussion
Chaudhary sahib your way of thinking is highly rational and I am a big fan of your intellect...great conversation..
Informed conversation, interesting and judicious. 😊
If terrorism n cricket can't go together then terrorism n trade can't go together.🙏
I hope and prey that Indian government in 2024 doesn’t start talking with Pakistan. That would be a disaster.
Great discussion with two wise and sane individuals.
Tilak - mr shakeel is a good interlocutor and very knowledgeable- will be very interesting interview
Excellent insights into Pakistani Military Mindset 👍
Your guest extremely intelligent.
Tilak sir jee 5th book 📚 jaldi aye gi naam hoga Ek Tha pakistan 😊😊😊😊
Great show as always Shakil ji. Heard great deal of Tilak Devesher ji. Very impressed by his intellect, sharp clear thought frame work. Excellent show. 👏👏👏
After a long time, a logical, fact based quality conversation on this channel. Thanks, Mr. CHAUDHARY for inviting Mr. Tilak Daveshar on your show. Not just because your guest is an Indian but he has done good work on understanding the internal dynamics of your country. BTW, was it a debate or a Q & A session? 😅Anyways, it's a good show. Some sensible discourse to understand the psyche of people and politicians of Pakistan. Good luck 👍
Shakil sb,we are grateful for arranging such rich debates on our country.
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We want more shows from Tilak ji.
Nice to listen to Deveshar ji and Shakil ji.
Very nice. I have heart him earlier also but today I have found him very objective and articulate. Can you please list out the books he authored so far?
@parthsarthi9806
Please go to Description for his introduction and titles of his books. Anyhow, these are the titles of his books:
Pakistan: Courting the Abyss (2016)
Pakistan: At the Helm (2018)
Pakistan: The Balochistan Conundrum (2019)
The Pashtuns: A Contested History (2022)
Among the discussion, there's a mention of one Gen Jawed Hassan and his book. When Mr Devasher narrated the inferences by Jawed Hassan, I couldn't help but laugh. No wonder, Pakistan lost every war since its birth. Her fundamental or rather Islam's fundamental mistake has been to consider Hindus as a weak race. Pity, Pakistan has never invested in intellect. Had her scholars truly read ancient, medieval and modern Indian history, they could have avoided the laughable state they are today. History is replete with numerous examples of common Hindu defending his honor with tenacity and prevail over adversary. Ayub, Yahya, Tikka, Zia, Hamid Gul, Musharraf and their ilk are glaring examples of misplaced intelligence and priorities. Look, where they took Pakistan! They need to revisit their basic philosophy, review 'their' version of faith and recalibrate education policy. That's yesterday. Or else, they are staring at an implosion of the State and will perish for certain.
Agreed. Even the Mughal empire's nobility was 15% Hindu, mostly from Rajasthan. The rest were mainly Turkish and Persian. Very few Muslims from India were included in this small, elite group. The Sikhs won all of today's Pakistani Khyber Pakhtunwa province. The decendants of Muslims of today's Pakistan played only a minor role.
Tilak Sahab ko Shashtaang Namaskar 🙏🏻
Waah waah waah mere desh ka intellect waaaah, so proud of you sir 🙏🏻🇮🇳🙏🏻
Shakil Sir, can you make a video on why should India help to normalize relations with Pakistan?
Shakil saheb, i find your sessions very potent and mature. Pls keep it up👍
-a keen listener
Shakil sab , no sane person in India ( including Muslims)wants a Akhand Bharat , as it is we have a unruly Muslim & other minorities and no body wants to add to this problem . Pakistani awam should be educated about this truth .
Shakil sahab your t shirt informal look is a good change from your formal suit and tie.
Deveshar ji is a respected intellectual who seldom makes controversial statements. Highly recommended for all into Indo Pak discussions.
Thank you both gentleman for a great conversation ❤ I never miss any of your shows 🌷🙏🏼
Regards to both of you sir. Learn a lot.
Thanks.
Shakil saheb please take water issue seriously
Tilak sir ki book to padhni hai.. Just to share One more book that I had read a decade back at the height of the US presence in this region by Anotol Lieven ..Pakistan A Hard Country..
Anatol Levin's book is like a primer for Pakistan. First book every one should tead, then reading other books should be a breeze.
Shakil sir please bring one interview with Zaid hamid alse 😂😂😂😂
@sanjaychoudhary682
I requested Mr. Zaid Hamid to my show, he asked me to send him a sample interview. After seeing one of my interviews, he declined.
True declined 😢😢
Moshinafazaal, u r quite right. It takes nerve to say what u have said. Religion has destroyed Pakistan indeed.
Mr. Shakil Chaudhury always picks and chooses people with common sense and logic on his shows, thus making the time spent on thevshow not a waste of time. Very open discussion based on facts and realistic status prevalent in both countries, lacking in any frivolous jingoism to ssy the least.
Per adhikter Pakistanis ke To yahi vichar hai inka bacha bacha jihad ki baat karta hai Bhai ,😡😡
Every Pakistani U Tube channel pr ye demand karte he ki vo Zaid Hameed ko apne channel pr jarur bulaye, aap Shakeel Sir se bhee ye hi demand rahegi!!!
Tilak sir right 100%
Zaid Hamid is a known Hindu hater, no surprise there. Most are like him in that country. What surprised me was that someone like Dr. Abdul Basit interviewed him. Dr. Basit was a high commissioner in India and is considered as an educated person. He also hates Hindus and India, but being a former diplomat one expected an open mind. May be he is desperately trying to be relevant..
Very intellectual debate 👍🏻
The rift between India and Pakistan will grow even more. The language is diverging, the religious differences never minimise but maximise.
Then feudalism and democracy can never be bedfellows. I only pray they don't subject their masses to war.
Tilak Devasher is a real intellectual . He is an Indian but worried about Pakistan. His views about Pakistan are worth listening. Pray that his views should also reach to the policy maker of Pakistan. Both countries should forget past and engage themselves for economic betterment of their people , majority of whom are living below the poverty level.
Pakistani Army thrives on "Hate India" and "Kashmir hamara hai" rhetoric. Therefore, no hope for normalisation can be expected as long as the Pak Army rules.
Mr.Deveshar a well read,a well informed man.A pleasing personality.Will Pakistan listen.
One Indian Origin Punjabi to Haryanvi origin Pakistan 😂😂
V good discussion. Thanks.
Sir, Great show as always.
Very good discussion 🙏
Awesome debate, Aftab Iqbal ko jroor dikhana
Journalism is not Pakistan's baby ,no one in Pakistan is that educated to carry that weight 😅😅😅😅😅
Sir we are very happy in India. I love my india.
Shakil saab, Tilak saab when Pakistan would not be develop their nation on wholesomely, they will try to do GAZWA E HIND on India
Love the analysis of India and pak... Lots to learn from this...
Thanks for the sane interviews
Great discussion.....
Shakil sir it is requeste to you please bring Indian intellectual from because they are learnered
Sakeel Sir, Zaid Hameed na sahi uska interview lene vale Abdul Bashit ko to apne channel pr bulaye aur unse puchiye ki aap Rajduut jaise sammanit pd se retire ho kr kaise ek joker ki batton me ha se ha mila liya tha!!!
Excellent❤
I thought i recognized you but after seeing the shirt I'm 100% sure you were in the front row on the black hole session today by Dr pervez hoodbhoy on chandrayaan 3
You are absolutely right.
Shakil ji, we can only laugh on small mind and joker Zaid, but shocking is an ExAmbasador giving plateform to him a number of times, showing radicalization level in Pakistan
No difference in Zaid and Ex Ambassodor Mr Basit. They have similar mindset and shared dias many times. Very unfortunate to have such ambassodor in Pak.
Nahin Mushkil Hai😮 Jab Jab Pakistan se relation banaen😮 tab tab Dhokha mila hai😮 ab relation India Banega Nahin😮 Kyunki Pakistan ke sath percent bacchon ke dimag Mein vah chij Bhar Diye jahaj jahaj jahaj
Shakil sir .. big fan from 🇳🇵 🙏
Thanks.
What an intellectual thus person is
Zeid Hameed ne Chandryaan pr tweeter pe nahi pr former ambassador Abdul Basit ke saath ek show me ' fake mission ' kaha. Ya'ni ki ' Laal Topi ' or ' Kaali ptloon ' ki ' chndryaan ' pr baat-cheet hui
Only solution to Pakistan's existing problem is secularisation of education system.
A debate full of insight.
Interesting, thoughtful
Excellent debate
Tilak sir ,very aptly said Zaid is pass time for us 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Partition sought to establish a new nation-state that would protect political interests of Muslims. What it achieved was creation of an army that runs the country by proxy.
Am reminded of Sushant Sareen-ji's tweet, "Pakistanis have to be seriously deranged if they think India will compromise only for the 'privilege' of talking to it?"
Talking about Zaid Hamid, India should tie him to Aditya L1, on the way to Sun, show him Vikram lander on the moon. 😀🙏🙏🙏
Sir where is Abdul Basit. He is totally telling wrong with Lal Topi interview