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Understanding Pakistan (based on ‘Pakistan: Courting the Abyss’) | Tilak Devasher
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- Опубликовано: 16 авг 2024
- The talk will focus on some fundamental questions like why, for example, is Pakistan such a troubled and troublesome state? Are its problems of recent origin or are they rooted in its very genesis? ? What accounts for Pakistan’s visceral hostility towards India? What are the non-traditional threats that Pakistan faces?
About the Speaker:-
Tilak Devasher is the author of three widely acclaimed books on Pakistan: ‘Pakistan: Courting the Abyss’, (December 2016) ‘Pakistan: At the Helm’ (July 2018), and ‘Pakistan: The Balochistan Conundrum’ (July 2019). He retired as Special Secretary, Cabinet Secretariat Government of India in October 2014. He is currently Member, National Security Advisory Board (NSAB) and Consultant.
0:00- PS
2:17 About the speaker
4:28 Genesis of Pakistan-the Pakistan movement
4:58 Hindus & muslims cannot coexist
6:08 Syed Ahmed Khan
9:08 Meaning of Pakistani identity
11:18 Problems with an Islamic identity
14:3 Arabization of Urdu
17:35 Terrorism in Pakistan-a deliberate state policy
22:00 Pakistan army and its beliefs
24:00 Punjabi dominated army
32:00 Pak’s Kashmir obsession
35:00 India’s Pak policy -faults
37:50 5th August, 2019
47:00 Distorted History in Indian education
54:15 T.V. discussions, TRP oriented
57:00 Prithviraj Chauhan, Rajputs,
1:01:20 Pan Islamism, two-nation theory, Syed Ahmed Khan,
1:04:07 Solution for Pakistan, non-traditional security threats,
1:08:24 ethnic divisions in Pakistan
1:12:24 Balochistan movement, Baloch freedom
1:15:30 Are some Indian politicians compromised?
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Extremely professional/ extraordinary. Please keep awakening people so that they are aware of the situation - situational awareness. Your other videos have watched with the same curiosity. I would like to see people at large to listen 👂 to your thoughts.
Mr.Deveswar
What a wonderful analysis.Our PM Mr.Narendrabhai Modi must see this video.
Please Modi Sir my appeal to you is to have
Mr.Deveswar amongst your principal advisors if not in Cabinet. Similarly create a China think tank - a group of advisors . PMO do not seem to have such research based opinionmaker / advisors otherwise unwise settlement with China over pangongso would have not be executed.Now I understand China is refusing to vacate our recently occupied go back to status qua ante.Why did you and defence minister announce that one inch of our land have not be occupied by china whereas at depsang, gogra etc they moved in well within our territory!!
*It is the Indian maulanas, muftis, the muhaddis, etc. who have supplied intellectual fodder to the violent schools of thought that have run amok in Pakistan.* Be it the Jamat e Islami, the Barelvi school, the Deoband seminary, the Ahl e Hadees, or the Tablighi Jamat, all have their main centres in India. It is the brute fact of numerical superiority of Hindus that has kept these forces from doing the same inside India what they have enacted in Pakistan.
Well articulated. These should be modernized.
Even the hindus have pampered muslims too much. It should have been the other way around
Absolutely right
There is noticeable economic decline amongst muslims due to the higher population growth.
Implement UNIFORM CIVIL CODE (UCC) as stipulated in our Constitution. Introduce the 2 child per couple policy for all citizens. If anyone opts for an additional child then they will have to pay for all government amenities that are provided free to all. If a couple get divorced after having one or two children; then after the next marriage they can have only one more child. This will put a check on the demographic changes taking place, as well as reduce the poverty level amongst muslims as a group. Implementing this, the Nation will prosper.
@@SantoshK.Mangalore Economic status doesn't bother them. Since they are headed for heaven by following sharia Hadith Quran etc.
A very comprehensive and deep insights. Never before I have heard such an excellent narrative.
Brilliant talk. This discourse must be taught in schools and colleges for understanding of this socio-political and religious phenomenon called Pakistan.
What a great talk. Knowledgeable speaker, clear communication and succinct pacing.
It was not Jinnah who made Pakistan - it was MK Gandhi. The threat for 'Direct Action's terror was only possible given submissive attitude of MKG. Had there been Yogi Adityanath in place of MKG, muslims would not have dared to threaten anything like direct action.muslims are He Rami but not stupid -they are very pragmatic . Muslims only assume aggressive posture when the opposition is meek (like MKG, Nehru) 💐
Sir Love and Respect from Pakistan ❤
I want to learn about the Chola empire to start with, then Krishnadevaraya empire and then proceed further.
It’s Vijayanagara Empire and not Krishnadevaraya Empire (he was one of the emperors)
King Lalitaditya..Samudra Gupta , rajaj raja chola, Ahom of Assam, Kodavas many more countless Dynasty has to be incorporated in our history books..
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Any talk about Pakistan without discussing Quran/hadits as its guiding principles is an exercise in futile and dishonest discussion.
Excellent talk
i just listened 12 minutes of this speech but i admire the analytical approach by tilak sb. It was indian nawwabs fear of post partition which lead to creation of pakistan. British sarkar provided full support.
@Ritesh Arora agree
Amazing lecture, Devasher Sahab! How eloquently you presented it.
Please do an episode on human rights issue of 'Roma' community (people of Indic descent).
Mr. Tilak Devasher is remarkably good in his research.... Javaid Khan
Sahi hai sir, terrific analysis and narration
Very well documented and comprehensive analysis of Pakistan.
Saved for future reference.
This video is a gold mine of information
I would actually appreciate more of question answer session than reading out a book :(
That's why I enjoyed the discussion on Goa Inquisition by Sefali Vaidhya and Ram Janma Bhoomi issue with Meenakshi Jain ji
An amazing insight of the insecurities in Pakistani Psyche
Islam and other religions can't co exits
The story of 'red riding hood' and the concept of "red herring" comes to mind. The only strategy is to allow Pakistan to follow its own path and India should wait for another couple of generations until the dawn may come.Just them learn at their own pace and total disengagement.
Erudite and well put. Thank you Sir.
Dear Tilak Sir,
I have 3 questions if you can shed some light :
1. Why did India not seize some part of Pakistani territory during / after Kargil as a future hedge against Pakistani misadventure like Israel seized Sinai during 1967 which they gave back to Egypt in 1971 in return for long term peace ?
2. Do you think Vajpayee ji was naive to believe he can actually go to Pakistan and achieve peace armed with only a smile and some kind words instead of some real hard bargaining leverage ?
3. Is continued hostility with Pakistan now a permanent reality since any other relationship with it will undermine the very idea of Pakistan ?
Would love to have your inputs on the same...
Rgds,
Sir,we Salute you on such a wonderful analysis on the issue.God bless you Jai Hind
Fantastic talk, great intellectual speaking about Pakistan mindset
India's definition of greatness is different from rest of the world... No one is great on the basis of what is their reign, how much area you have won.. Even Ashoka was considered great not for his war but for the way he ruled the sub continent, apologising to the common people and something like that
Sir the talk was awesome... Just a tip ... If possible keep the paper in the line of the camera.. currently it seems like a speech than a talk... I have seen your others videos keep it that way... 😊
pakistani average people are so much concerned about Kashmiris,when pakistan army slaughtered 3 million Bengali ,citizens,pakistan citizens didnt ask a single question to their army.
Lack of understanding of statecraft by indian leaders during british india is the reason why south asia is divided. China captured tibet & xinjiang. But in Indian subcontinent, 1st british separated burma, then partition of bengal & then partition at north west. We lost territories but china gained. Right now india-7th largest country and china-4th largest.
pacifist attitude of chacha lehru led to this. Had Patel not been HM, India would have shrunken even more
Excellent talk..! 👏👏
Fantastic talk, Mr. Devasher.
The solution will come from Pakistan: people will have to decide what kind of government they want: military or democracy
GREAT TALKS, THANK YOU SANGAM ,PLEASE KEEP IT UP
Excellent work
Thanks
The Pakistan army has a state
The Pakistan army has a state
Defender of territorial frontier and the ideology of Pakistan
Devious , presumptuous and persistent.....who is that lady that thinks that it is true..... curious
Inside out ... A complete view of Pakistan 👍
Thank you..lovely lecture
what a brilliant observatjon..sir hats off
Not only Mughal Empire is glorified....also the British Raj is glorified...why should i learn and remember some Vice roys and governor generals who are responsible for all the atrocities made on my ancestors?
Excellent talk ..
Excellent narration.
Huge respect to you
Super sensible talks..
Excellent! Thank you.
Thanks for the informative talk❤️
Sir, excellent analysis ! Pakistani army's last refuge is China, and they are just biding their time waiting for their signal.
Awesome sir, why this webcast came late? Thank you for your research. It helped me understanding various facts of history. How ignorant we are when our existence is being threatened by these radicals.🙏
Good presentation. I have read his book "Baluchistan Conundrum" on.Would like to read it again, and all his other books. If you could pl confirm that they are available in Pakistan.
The gentleman is requested to consider the advisibility for Indian establishment to open up for the people of Pakistan. We are siames twins. Its the politicians of both the countries who are mainly responsible for the problem. Moreover pak army is on the weaker wickets, and will be willing to play the ball.
Damn, that story of a young boy chopping off his own hands to prove his belief to a preacher was gruesome. I had no knowledge of that particular incident. It is shocking but I am no longer surprised by the extent of extremism that people adopt once this religion consumes their mind. As Tilak ji says if he is willing to do such harm to himself just to prove his faith then imagine what harm he is capable of inflicting on others in the name of the same belief.
Mr. Devasher you are speaking like you are reading a "NIBAND" from written matter. Please slow down to follow the words and subject. Not to criticize you but to understand properly please slow down. Vasant Joshi
Bravo 👍 excellent analysis 🙏
Tilak Devashar is spot on with his analysis. The next decade will be very scary and decisive for Pakistan and hope they will get their act together soon. If not, they will have a huge mess to sort out, with the looming civil war and draught etc
Knowing what Islam is it will take long time for the population to wise up and rise also because of stupid blasphemy laws and fear that Pakistan is rigged with. This is what happens when Islam is let lose to rise without any opposition. Feel sorry for anyone who is not Muslim and lives there.
@@funkjazz6625 feel sorry for the hindus still in malaysia ans indonesia, they will also be driven out if NRC is implemented
@@soheil527 how do you know has Indonesia and Malaysia told u, Infact Indonesian Currency has hindu god over there, Pakistan will be destroyed it will be fun
Amazing. Where do we get this transcript on book or pdf?
What if Pakistan doesn't exist?
Excellent
More think tanks needed of our retired officers for correct narratives and countering the propaganda of adversaries inside and outside.
Why no muslim league political party in Pakistan.
i think King of Sind also did the same mistake, he forgave ghori 10 times before ghori defeated and killed him.
One thing Mr. Devasher seems to not touch in his otherwise excellent analysis is the core of what is being fought over - the hearts and minds of the Indian people in Pakistan.
It would be useful to discern between the ideology of Pakistan and the state apparatus created around it on the one hand and the people of Pakistan on the other. More than anything, the ideology of Pakistan and the state apparatus built around it have been an imposition on the people of Pakistan.
The sworn enmity of the ideology and state of Pakistan to anything remotely Indian ie Hindu, even if it appears intractable at first, seems to be a mask for a barely hidden lack of confidence about the strength of the ideology over the people and a consequent need for constant validation. The constant and stressful demands on the people of Pakistan to reaffirm their allegiance only further betrays this suspicion of a lack of confidence in the commitment of the people towards the ideology.
Even more than the infidel Hindu based out of India, the state ideology and its enforcers in Pakistan get the creeps from the prospect of their own people becoming cognisant of their own, indigenous, pre-Islamic heritage. Far from solid, the ideology’s hold on the Pakistani people, beyond the few who grab the headlines, is not well understood and is probably paper-thin.
Indian strategists themselves seem to be stuck with the idea of Pakistan’s ideological hold over its people as intractable. The people in that country have sacrificed their own ancient heritage and glorious culture at the altar of the desert religion that has taken over their entire existence. As a result, they are a completely demotivated, deracinated people alienated from their own indigenous heritage and sustained only by the constant drumbeat of ideological hatred towards the Hindu, which is who they were, and really still continue to be, only not on the surface. A robust Indian effort at conserving the original culture and traditions of the people of Pakistan pre-Islam; and preservation and curation of the same would probably do much more to implode the state from within than anything a military could do.
As the US involvement in Afghanistan has proven, it is much easier to justify deployment of military resources than it is to give a thorough and properly curated, civilisational response. Same for Pakistan; it is much easier for them to play the military card against India than be faced with the terror of the glory of their own pre-Islamic heritage, and their own ancestors. Once the people get reacquainted with their own glorious indigenous heritage, the Pakistan state and its enforcers will begin to truly be seen as the impositions they are.
Thank you
Now time has come for unity of India and Pakistan. Let us start working on it. Let us find similar minded intellectuals on both sides.
We are same people, who were once following culture of Indus valley civilization, Then Vedic dharma, then Sanatan Dharm, then Budh Dharm, then Islam and Sikh. Yes, Pakistani Muslims mind were poisoned by British, but time has come to move on. We cannot be happy when we see our brothers in Pakistan suffering. China is gradually colonizing Pakistan. This is not in the interest of either India or Pakistan or Afghanistan. Our intellectuals like you guys should start formulating unification plan.
its a vry gud lecture
Totally shocking statehood - very sad for them!
CORECTION - Mughal empire was destroyed totally from the roots by maratha empire and after 140 years british came.
And don't forget the Sikhs
Problem with an Islamic Identity: it has not proved a glue to hold the cultural mosaic
Islam was not able to supplant ethno-linguistic variations
It has not proved an overarching identity
Excessive defensive ness in time of crisis. What would be wrong for example if India air dropped emergency supplies eg.water I have seen people dying of thirst reports in Sindh
India had 4 or 5 muslim education ministers under congress government.
Hindus and Musselman have served in the British Indian Army together though under the British system of Regimentation which kept Muslims and Hindus separate at the level of soldiers. However, in battles or in military campaigns they fought together many times led by officers of both denominations. There is no scope for an old guard or new generation Pakistani general assuming Hindu Army to be cowards or week. That assumption therefore perhaps has been made on civilizational traits, the elites, rulers, and leadership. India that officer would have studied through British, Colonial, and left history writers lenses no longer exist.
well those were non-vegetarian oriented and largely of dynamic faith i.e. punjabi hindus who migrated and now are largely weared down by the humid climate and change in lifestyle by shifting to congested humid central indian climate with diet levelling down too...
Agreed to all your hard work and very detailed notes .
Constant and monotonous description creates lesser interest to look into the details.
Lailahaillallahmuhammadarrasullah
There is noone else other than Allah to be worshipped and Muhammad is his messenger
This one line is enough to understand the ideology.
This itself is peace 🤞 because it denies the existence of other god's.
And this is exactly why the country is permanently weak and brittle. It's broken once and it's going to again when Balochistan regains it's freedom.
@Aravind P : now even you talk like Islamists. There are many gods, and many more shall come. Jai Mahadev
Very good q from a viewer about need for india to assert in the neighborhood. The anchor is confused about the need to sort out a cantankerous neighbor and resolutely. Instead talks about vaccine, as usual, Nehru/Gandhian hogwash. India must assert its right to and its neighbor’s right for self determination (in this case Balochistan). Actively helping the Balooch from extinction is a necessity fir everybody
India first education minister was MOULANA AND OTHER 4 ISLAMIC EDUCATION MINISTER ruling 35 year.what do you expect
We should stand tall with Hindutva. It is our life and soul. Do not negotiate on this under any conditions. Muslims must be taught to respect Hindus and if need be fear the Hindus. There should be no thought in their mind if coming against us.
Legacy
Islam opportunism
Dependence of ML on British
Parity
Good analysis. Some of it is repetitive, nothing new.
To much of anything(religiosity) is harmful , can we use strength and convert it into weakness.
Too right - too much religion is a curse
Rastrakutas were the ones who ruled from mysore to kannauj
"undo ".. Pakistan is best for humanity.
👍👍👍👌👌👌
Modi accepted that Pakistan is not a normal State and is ignoring Pakistani Army, Imran Khan and their shenanigans.
You would have done better if you had presented this in Urdu; MR Daveshar!
It's the practice of the pandits and upper castes with their diabolic caste system that gives a chance to the non Hindus in general to say that the Hindus are devious and cannot be trusted. This has never been addressed by the leaders or intellectuals. Cutting of a hand is certainly horrible but we too have crazy people who after being indoctrinated by Sants and swamy's go and perform a human sacrifice. This is in all religions. This borders on insanity (and every population has their share of these people).
You have not once criticized the current regime in doing exactly what you say Pakistan does...polarize the population on religious grounds.
So credit is due to the earliest political leaders for changing the trajectory of the new nation. By developing schools and universities we have a tipping point where everyone wants to get educated (delhi is another interesting example).
Trouble is that the conventional politician is in a huge hurry to get re-elected and hence has no time for long term strategic thinking. That's the pity of our sub continent.
Enjoyed your talk and I can see that the tax payers money was not wasted on you.
Any difference between Pak school syllabus and NCERT in Indian school on Hindu,...a brief history of Pak , Kudos 👍,TN is weak point ..the founding fathers of Dravidian party requested Jihna to merge TN with Pak
Dear Venugopal, I disagree...TN ‘was’ a weak point..Today it ‘is’ Not
U came much later
Army officers need be made to listen this
All Hindus should listen
Mumbai attack 26 /11 missing sir.
What's the meaning of Faiz's poem!? TN will always remain India as long as it's Hindu Identity, temples, culture , language is protected. Cholas, pallavas took Hinduism, Bhuddism abroad. Muslims r Tamils they don't speak Urdu or Hindi ,one should feel alarmed if Urdu belt starts it's influence on them. Kerala is a serious case from 1923 Mopplah movement massacre of Hindus.
Thilak bhai,kabi thomara rungh ghorah hotha hai,aaj thora sa samla hai
Not 1940 much before see mopala and gandhi
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understanding pakistan? yeah, good luck on that one!!!!
Jitna bhi propegenda ker lo. Kuch bhi nahi ker saktay. Pakistan ko Hindu ki qabar banayengay. Inshallah
Phele East Pakistan ab Bangladesh hai
Labbaik ya Rasool Allah 😂😂
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हिंदू एक पिल्ला है
हम, भारत के मुसलमान, पाकिस्तान के साथ हैं
पाकिस्तान जिंदाबाद
लंबे समय तक असदुद्दीन ओवैसी
Go to Gandhi and the aili brothers mop Lala rebelion
The LACK of KNOWLEDGE, world affairs and history, of the moderator 'APARNA' is appalling. This is evidenced by the factually incorrect facts and anecdotes she refers to when asking questions.
The height is that she put the 1st Education Minnister of Free India in the same quarter in which she put Sir Syed and Jinnah. I bet she will not be able to spell the full name of Maula Azad.
She should voluntarily resign or be assigned to a more fitting job function. Or she should be trained to study and be familiar with the subject matter before asking questions.
Your rant seems to have a personal grind, rather than objectivity
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