+Brass Fetcher I don't make requests often but I would very much enjoy seeing some .44 rem mag fired from a carbine. Specifically a 180 grain sjsp or sjhp loaded fairly warm. I know they rock out of my 10.5" ruger SBH at around 1,580-1750 fps so a 16-18" barrel should be expelling said projectile over 2,000 fps with a powder having the proper burn rate.
Great to see the greatest ammo tester on the planet back.... Underwood Gold Dot 125gr and Underwood Extreme Defender 90gr. PLEASE!!??....Would be more than glad to send you the ammo for free
Fantastic to see you back, and shooting my favorite caliber! It'd be cool to see a comparison that shows this round (or even better the underwood loading of the same bullet) simultaneously with other common defensive calibers.
I hear that; you put 9x25 in a carbine, and there's the PDW question solved once and for all! In fact, with stout louds out of the .357 (an under-max load of 800X at 34,000psi of pressure sends a 125gr bullet out of my stock Glock 31 at 1,500fps) in a carbine, that's easily a 200-yard cartridge right there. Speer says their LE .357 Gold Dot projectile expands reliably down to 1,100fps, and that's 125 yards out of my pistol. With a carbine barrel, it'll likely expand at 200 as well, and even further if you use a bullet designed for 9mm velocities!
+Joseph Putnam oh absolutely, imagine a 95 gr soft point from a 9x25 loaded stout! From a 16" barrel you'd be clockin over 2,200 for sure. I would feel comfortable using that for coyotes out to 250-300 given it stays consistently accurate at that distance.
Great to see a new upload, your tests are always well done and informative. Personally I'd love to see a test on the underwood 125gr GDHP loading for .357 sig if you can get around to it. It's one of my personal carry rounds and I'd be very interested in seeing how it stacks up to the buffalo bore 125gr GDHP loading you tested earlier.
I could almost guarantee with certainty that the underwood offering is loaded not only hotter, but with better consistency over the BB offering. This has been my experience with all automatic caliber offerings as well as 90% of all big bore/revolver caliber offerings regarding buffalo bore and underwood. Not to mention underwood is more inexpensive and readily avaliable. Now whether that excess velocity manifests itself in more KE dump and less penetration, leading to projectile failure, is beyond me and my testing as I have not tested your particular caliber/bullet weight or structure. But common ballistic sense indicates that there is such a thing as too much velocity given a bullets particular Construction. I often had my hand-loading buddy cook up a .357 sig with a 100 gr. semi jacketed soft point loaded at 1680fps. it retained weight(90%), penetrated deeply(16"), expanded(to .47")with slight delay and generated tremendous kinetic energy. Velocity+sectional density=success. -D.A.B.
+jack black unfortunately magtech has since discontinued the line of projectiles used at the time. But you can load short ogive bullets such as those for the .380 acp. Ranging from 90-105 grains they accomplish essentially the same end result as my personal loadings did. I like Speer and hornady hollow points, the XTP is my favorite for high velocity loads due to their higher sectional density and street records of deep penetration and less expansion. Don't load gold dots, hst's or other highly expandable projectiles at the velocity I stated. over expansion and under penetration should be expected in these cases. With the Speer 90 grain jhp my glock .357 sig with a lone wolf 6" barrel slings em out around 1800 fps loaded 6% over max pressure.
+Dalton Broome I thought I was wrong lol had to dig through the gun safes to find out for sure. It's a kkm barrel my glocks wearin, not a lone wolf.Kkm uses button rifling as well so velocity would be the same I suppose.
Dalton Broome I know that he was very ill but has recovered to the best of my knowledge. I'm not sure if his channel is completely dead, but his videos took an incredible amount of effort . ( I'm sure Brasscatcher can relate) He also has videos of a 2nd ammendment political nature. I believe he was quite frustrated (for many reasons) after some large media outlets used his content without obtaining permission. I really admire him for many reasons. He worked hard on his content and seemed to be a model for other gun owners to resist the left's anti-gun agenda.
+poot111111 I'm with you 100% poot. He did immaculate work and always kept things non biased and educational. I truly do understand the weight and difficulty of his work. I used to upload various firearms videos myself, reviews, ballistics, experiments etc. and even my low budget minimal quality material took hours to shoot, edit, and upload. it was certainly frustrating, so I commend him, brass fetcher, Hickok, IV8888, demo and all the other gun channels that put out factual educational information for us gun nuts to enjoy and for new comers to become infatuated like the rest of us lol. Glad to hear Tn is doin good, gotta look after my neighbors hehe... I live in Kentucky lol
Or even better, some .22-250 action maybe?!? I love showing my gun buddies how easily my 50 gr. hp's cut through ar500 steel but I'm curious as to the wounding potential after defeating 1/4" of 500 Brinell plate. would love to see a steel/gel test.
+Spencer King I've seen them in their entirety...and I need more lol. I wanna see some hand loads. Hot loads topped with Maybe an m855 projectile from a pulled 5.56. Idk something other than a vmax or hp. I'd pay for him to test a Speer 62 grain bonded soft point in gel, maybe even with some bone and hide simulate. I've taken coyotes and deer with the 55 gr sp but I'm thinking of jumping up to the 62 due to my twist rate being marginally fast. I use my 22-250 in place of my .22wmr, my .223, my .308, 25-06, 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag and my 257 weatherby mag. obviously with varying projectile designs and weights, my scope gets re zeroed at least three times a month. It's my Little mini belted mag and I love it. therefore I very much enjoy seeing high speed footage and field reports of this caliber. In literally every load option if possible. This being the best high speed terminal ballistics channel on YT it's only natural that I ask for more from the source of valuable material. -D.A.B.
If you are saying you chose the .357 sig to carry then you sir have good taste in handgun ballistics lol. You'll enjoy the cartridge the more you learn about it and the more you see it's full potential demonstrated. Bottlenecks all the way!!
Before buying this ammo double check the part number. There are 2 variations of this ammo. One is low recoil one is not. The full power version is part #54234 and the rounds have 6 petals instead of 5. I don't know the part number for the low recoil stuff because I don't own any.
@@rasro The part number of the "limited penetration" 357 SIG Gold Dot load for a 50 round box is what was listed at the start of the video: 53918. The 54234 (and 53972 which is reportedly loaded to the same specs) is loaded to a somewhat higher velocity. (If the part number begins with "2" that indicates a 20-round box.) Not "low recoil," but slightly lower velocity and "limited penetration."
@@johnstewart2011 - Sorry, no. Using your part numbers: Mfr: P/N 53918 UPC: 076683539182 MV: 1350 fps ME: 506 ft lbs Mfr: P/N 54234 UPC: 076683542342 MV: 1375 fps ME: 525 ft lbs The differences are negligible, penetration would be basically the same, felt recoil between the two would be indistinguishable.
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 200-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
Thank you .. great to be back.
Brass Fetcher what's the barrel length used for the rest?
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy my favorite gel shooter is back in action!
4.4"
Could you test some Winchester Ranger-T 9x19 and .45 ACP?
+Brass Fetcher I don't make requests often but I would very much enjoy seeing some .44 rem mag fired from a carbine. Specifically a 180 grain sjsp or sjhp loaded fairly warm. I know they rock out of my 10.5" ruger SBH at around 1,580-1750 fps so a 16-18" barrel should be expelling said projectile over 2,000 fps with a powder having the proper burn rate.
whoooaaa. i guess someone finally remembered their log in information
Welcome back. Been waiting on a HIGH quality 357sig vs gel test. Thanks for your time.
My favorite round, great to have you back.
.357sig FOR THE WIN!
MORE PLEASE 😎
good to see you back!
Welcome back!
Glad your back.
Fantastic! Glad to see more of your stuff! You are a valuable research resource.
Here from the future to tell you this round lives again
I carry these rounds from underwood, 1500 feet per second, so loud and powerful that i can barely do quick follow up shots on target
Happy that you have returned. Love your videos.
Holy cow new from the best ammo tester great stuff brass glad to see ya back
Here's JOHNNY!!! 😝 Good to see you back!
Good to see you back!!
Welcome back John. 1400 fps will do it every time.
"The armadillo didn't stand a chance."
And they are fast little buggers when motivated. :)
They can clear a four rail fence when they want to.
I'm glad you're back!!! Love the vids!!👍👌🇺🇸
Great to see the greatest ammo tester on the planet back.... Underwood Gold Dot 125gr and Underwood Extreme Defender 90gr. PLEASE!!??....Would be more than glad to send you the ammo for free
SHINE NWGA YES PLEASE TEST THE UNDERWOOD ECT
Back and with one of my favorite rounds no less!
ripdimebag42 Best Round Ever!
HYDRA DYNAMIC. Nope u idiot. 10mm is better. And 9x25 dillon is better. 9x25 dillion is best round ever
Too bad only Underwood makes the Dillon round that I could find
Missed you guys, Thanks for sharing !
Fantastic to see you back, and shooting my favorite caliber! It'd be cool to see a comparison that shows this round (or even better the underwood loading of the same bullet) simultaneously with other common defensive calibers.
I would like to see a .357 sig loaded hot vs a stout 9x25 Dillon. They are my go to calibers, the latter being my favorite automatic cartridge of all.
I hear that; you put 9x25 in a carbine, and there's the PDW question solved once and for all! In fact, with stout louds out of the .357 (an under-max load of 800X at 34,000psi of pressure sends a 125gr bullet out of my stock Glock 31 at 1,500fps) in a carbine, that's easily a 200-yard cartridge right there. Speer says their LE .357 Gold Dot projectile expands reliably down to 1,100fps, and that's 125 yards out of my pistol. With a carbine barrel, it'll likely expand at 200 as well, and even further if you use a bullet designed for 9mm velocities!
+Joseph Putnam oh absolutely, imagine a 95 gr soft point from a 9x25 loaded stout! From a 16" barrel you'd be clockin over 2,200 for sure. I would feel comfortable using that for coyotes out to 250-300 given it stays consistently accurate at that distance.
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W0000!!!! Good to see you back man!
.....and he awakes from his 9 month slumber ...... 👍🏻
Nice to see you are back- hope you are doing well :-)
Get this man on Patreon! I’d throw him a few bucks if it means we get more videos.
welcome back!
Love your stuff
Great to see a new upload, your tests are always well done and informative. Personally I'd love to see a test on the underwood 125gr GDHP loading for .357 sig if you can get around to it. It's one of my personal carry rounds and I'd be very interested in seeing how it stacks up to the buffalo bore 125gr GDHP loading you tested earlier.
I could almost guarantee with certainty that the underwood offering is loaded not only hotter, but with better consistency over the BB offering. This has been my experience with all automatic caliber offerings as well as 90% of all big bore/revolver caliber offerings regarding buffalo bore and underwood. Not to mention underwood is more inexpensive and readily avaliable. Now whether that excess velocity manifests itself in more KE dump and less penetration, leading to projectile failure, is beyond me and my testing as I have not tested your particular caliber/bullet weight or structure. But common ballistic sense indicates that there is such a thing as too much velocity given a bullets particular Construction. I often had my hand-loading buddy cook up a .357 sig with a 100 gr. semi jacketed soft point loaded at 1680fps. it retained weight(90%), penetrated deeply(16"), expanded(to .47")with slight delay and generated tremendous kinetic energy. Velocity+sectional density=success. -D.A.B.
Sounds like an interesting load. Do you happen to remember the bullet manufacturer? might want to try rolling some of my own some time.
+jack black unfortunately magtech has since discontinued the line of projectiles used at the time. But you can load short ogive bullets such as those for the .380 acp. Ranging from 90-105 grains they accomplish essentially the same end result as my personal loadings did. I like Speer and hornady hollow points, the XTP is my favorite for high velocity loads due to their higher sectional density and street records of deep penetration and less expansion. Don't load gold dots, hst's or other highly expandable projectiles at the velocity I stated. over expansion and under penetration should be expected in these cases. With the Speer 90 grain jhp my glock .357 sig with a lone wolf 6" barrel slings em out around 1800 fps loaded 6% over max pressure.
+Dalton Broome I thought I was wrong lol had to dig through the gun safes to find out for sure. It's a kkm barrel my glocks wearin, not a lone wolf.Kkm uses button rifling as well so velocity would be the same I suppose.
Thanks for taking the time to look for me
I did a triple take!
A *new* brassfetcher video?
Thank you, I have been going through ballistic gel withdrawal hell without your content and TNoutdoors9
+poot111111 WTH happened to tnoutdoors9? Now that you reminded me of how bad My withdraws are from his videos.. Lol
Dalton Broome I know that he was very ill but has recovered to the best of my knowledge.
I'm not sure if his channel is completely dead, but his videos took an incredible amount of effort . ( I'm sure Brasscatcher can relate)
He also has videos of a 2nd ammendment political nature. I believe he was quite frustrated (for many reasons) after some large media outlets used his content without obtaining permission.
I really admire him for many reasons. He worked hard on his content and seemed to be a model for other gun owners to resist the left's anti-gun agenda.
+poot111111 I'm with you 100% poot. He did immaculate work and always kept things non biased and educational.
I truly do understand the weight and difficulty of his work. I used to upload various firearms videos myself, reviews, ballistics, experiments etc. and even my low budget minimal quality material took hours to shoot, edit, and upload. it was certainly frustrating, so I commend him, brass fetcher, Hickok, IV8888, demo and all the other gun channels that put out factual educational information for us gun nuts to enjoy and for new comers to become infatuated like the rest of us lol. Glad to hear Tn is doin good, gotta look after my neighbors hehe... I live in Kentucky lol
Awesome it’s been awhile
Please test Underwood in any caliber or .357 Sig. A clay medium would be wicked with SLO-MO captured
Love the info, could you please do a test on 357sig at full Sammi spec such as underwood 125g at 1500+fps. This would be awesome.
Good to see you still kickin around. Any chance we'll see 223 Vmax?
Or even better, some .22-250 action maybe?!? I love showing my gun buddies how easily my 50 gr. hp's cut through ar500 steel but I'm curious as to the wounding potential after defeating 1/4" of 500 Brinell plate. would love to see a steel/gel test.
He has already posted at least three 22-250 vids
+Spencer King I've seen them in their entirety...and I need more lol. I wanna see some hand loads. Hot loads topped with Maybe an m855 projectile from a pulled 5.56. Idk something other than a vmax or hp. I'd pay for him to test a Speer 62 grain bonded soft point in gel, maybe even with some bone and hide simulate. I've taken coyotes and deer with the 55 gr sp but I'm thinking of jumping up to the 62 due to my twist rate being marginally fast. I use my 22-250 in place of my .22wmr, my .223, my .308, 25-06, 7mm-08, 7mm rem mag and my 257 weatherby mag. obviously with varying projectile designs and weights, my scope gets re zeroed at least three times a month. It's my Little mini belted mag and I love it. therefore I very much enjoy seeing high speed footage and field reports of this caliber. In literally every load option if possible. This being the best high speed terminal ballistics channel on YT it's only natural that I ask for more from the source of valuable material. -D.A.B.
Nice! Was wondering if you'd be back and with a cartridge I recently started carrying too!
If you are saying you chose the .357 sig to carry then you sir have good taste in handgun ballistics lol. You'll enjoy the cartridge the more you learn about it and the more you see it's full potential demonstrated. Bottlenecks all the way!!
Thanks for sharing 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Can we get some 357 sig +p+ 147 underwood gdhp?!
Very Nice! How did the ft lbs distribute? If you measured that I would love to see!
josh benware calculates at 536 ft-lb
Before buying this ammo double check the part number. There are 2 variations of this ammo. One is low recoil one is not. The full power version is part #54234 and the rounds have 6 petals instead of 5. I don't know the part number for the low recoil stuff because I don't own any.
Wrong. There is no such thing as low-recoil 357 Sig.
@@rasro The part number of the "limited penetration" 357 SIG Gold Dot load for a 50 round box is what was listed at the start of the video: 53918. The 54234 (and 53972 which is reportedly loaded to the same specs) is loaded to a somewhat higher velocity. (If the part number begins with "2" that indicates a 20-round box.) Not "low recoil," but slightly lower velocity and "limited penetration."
@@johnstewart2011 - Sorry, no.
Using your part numbers:
Mfr: P/N 53918
UPC: 076683539182
MV: 1350 fps
ME: 506 ft lbs
Mfr: P/N 54234
UPC: 076683542342
MV: 1375 fps
ME: 525 ft lbs
The differences are negligible, penetration would be basically the same, felt recoil between the two would be indistinguishable.
can you do a video on underwoods configuration of this gold dot in .357 sig? and also light weight high velocity 9mm rounds?
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 200-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65g Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
Whats the best 357 sig gun? How is recoil?
What happened to your .357 Magnum video? I feel like some of your videos have disappeared.
Mosin Nagant I beg of you
Hello Brass, why are you removing 357 magnum videos?
To slow to be a .357 SIG. they really water down the round
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Wow this was a fail. It broke apart. 357 sig fail.