Milling a Stand for a Robot on Our 1950s SIP Hydroptic Jig Borer!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- When modern tech meets vintage precision, we are using our 1950s SIP Hydroptic-6 Jig Borer to mill a stand for a Welding Robot! A fun quick job and something a little different to what we usually do. In this video we are milling the top plate of a stand that will hold a welding robot and to do that we are going to be using our 1950s SIP Hydroptic No 6 Jig Borer because the stand is too big for our normal milling machine. How good is that final surface finish!
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nice little surprise on Monday morning. Thank you.
Whoa a mid week vid. Excellent
That the stand gets bended due to the welding operations , amazes me a bit...ohno now o see its a new frabricated one 😅😅
Thought it got so Hot of that weldingrobot it bended 😅
Great video
Grtz from the netherlands
Johny geerts
I had to check my calendar to find out what the day was! ;-) Magic little bonus - thank you!
Ah that machine is a beauty, in the hands of a mater craftsman.
The only 'problem' with unexpected mid-week CEE is that my brain now thinks it's Friday night and I'm about to crack open a cold one, only it's 9:30 am and I'm at work :D
😭 hahaa sorry mate we know we've fucked up a few people's routines today 😅
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering
Agreed!!! However...
Sometimes that can be a GOOD thing!🤓
...IT'S A CRUEL WORLD- GET USED TO IT-!!!!
I am SERIOUSLY relieved that I am not alone with this. :D
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering I have some parts for SIP borer laying around if you need them. But Serbia is quite far from Australia.
My Monday has been a bit shit but seeing this extra CEE video has definitely helped brighten things up.
Hey mate hope the rest of your week is better
Another great job presented by a great team and Karen showing yet again her editing skills taking to another level👍
It's Monday afternoon here in New York. To get an extra video is freaking awesome! Thank you folks for putting it out there!!!!
That's a beautiful surface finish for a 70 year old machine! I'd say you got a good one there.
Nice to see that bad boy in action!
Lovely calendar!
Old machine never die they get redone and made new again great video keep up the good work God bless from GA and stay safe 🙏
After the first pass I thought "nah, he's not going to be satisfied with this finish, it's not up to his standards".
Looks like I've been watching this channel for quite some time now...
BTW: Can I take the liberty to presume you shave twice a year? 😉
Nice easy job for a change. Thanks for the video 👍🇦🇺
Wow I thought it was Friday too.....Great video.......Thanks for sharing.......Now Im spoiled
Thanks for watching!
Man, what an awesome machine! Keep up the great videos 👍
Hope that robot understands how lucky it is going to be, it will be working in a top notch shop.
Thanks
That’s a lush finish ! :) nice work guys interesting to see something different :)
Aaaa , Coffees on!! Just a short today! Cheers!;-)!
I have never seen you so clean shaven. Are you going through a change of life phase?
Привет из морозной Сибири!
such a great video but such a shame its not friday
Oh come on now Kurtis.. people would pay good money to see you turn that stand on a lathe! 🤪
Holy F’ mate bonus video. No I’m going to be confused about what day of the week it is.
I’ve looked up “hydroptic” from several sources and none seem to apply for this machine and it’s actions. How does it apply do you think?
HI ALL
yup im with ya ya dont wanna spin that in the lathe lol crikey im thinking the laser on the weiled is not leverling properly correct ? also was the bottom of the legs leveled too awesome job can u give us an estimate wat the bore bit would cost ? thx big pat to hommie and a good day to karen @ kirtus thx
As a photographer I would like to now what gear are you making videos
a Samsung S10 galaxy phone and an old iphone 8 for the timelapse 😂
Why not the bottom too so it’s parallel?
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One thing I absolutely love about your content is there is no rubbish music dubbed over the top like 99% of other YT videos. So nice being able to hear the machines doing their thing. Don’t change this and you’ll have a fan for life! Thanks for the bonus Monday content!
Hey mate we learnt that in the early days from viewer comments, workshop sounds or commentary is the preference!
I have a soft spot for chips flying off to the sound of an orchestra performing classic music.
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering simple music over audio-muted (very noisy machines or speed-up) parts is also aceptable, but yeah, thanks for having neither constant babbling nor obnoxious music in UNaceptable places
That's what makes this channel the best. It's got Karen
I always love hearing chips over music
Karen does such a great job with these videos
She does. I really liked the nut tightening shot, where Kurtis clamped that stand on the sled (?). Perfectly timed!
she sure does......Bravo Karen....
The video quality is amazing, and Karen is very creative in how she composes and edits the videos. Kurtis is ok too.😉
@@spidersinspace1099 Comparing to Karen, Kurtis is an ameture! 😜
I am most impressed with the welding shots where she uses a TINTED Lens to watch the welding go on.Its more accurate and more entertaining to watch that kind of welding with that view thank you milady
With the steady rise of smart machines I don’t know if we should give the robots a leg to stand on… 😅
Better to have smart machines than stupid operators. Not everyone is as skilled as Kurtis is
@@Torta--is--PLUR That one few right over your head.
I for one, welcome our robot overloads. They certainly couldn't screw up worse than the human politicians.
I like Terry Pratchett take on elections. In 4Ecks, a country on the Disc World "not really Australia" . When people get elected they are put in prison right away because it saves yime.
@@Templar797 Yup if few quite fast too. 😋
An unexpected dose of CEE machining porn!
Usual insistence on perfection and great to see the big guns having a work out. 😊
Watch out for the nice calendar 😅
Getting a bonus video from CEE is like finding a cold beer in the back of the fridge when you thought you were out. 🍺
When you're not satisfied with the finish and you know what to do to improve it, and you do it period, simple as that, and that's what makes all the difference in machinists. Thanks for sharing.
"You need CNC and robotics to stay competitive in machining industry today"
CEE: Hold my beer!
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He don’t need cnc not for work he does
Finnish Press channel guys have a mid-sized CNC milling machine in their shop (doing random fixing too) - and it works quite less the manual machines.
GOD YES!
With his skill, Kurtis can likely do any particular job twice in the time it would take him to build the program to do it on the CNC...
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I can really only see him use the CNC for repetitive operations making dozens of the same part (bolts, pins, shafts, gears, V-Blocks to sell to competitors etc.) that would otherwise eat up a lot of time he can use for the unique jobs* that are the meat & potatoes of his business...
* And MOST of the work he does is unique because it's all repair work and things rarely break in exactly the same place in exactly the same way which makes building a CNC program for EVERYTHING he does would take too long compared to doing it manually...
You can't compete with CNC for high volume production, but for low volume, especially custom jobs like this, manual is the way.
Whoa! This is a welcome surprise!
I was just thinking that 😊😊😊
Great video as usual!
Really nice to see the side by side view with the 2 camera's. Really adds a bit of understanding of how the machines are operated!
That is such a old machine that will never be used everyday. Love your channel and I hope you have a great channel for your lifetime.
Thanks so much!
Much better finish with the second cutter used as a ‘fly cutter’ I would have been tempted to give the bottom a skim cut too.
Probably a wasted operation as the base would be leveled and shimmed on site.
In my experience if you are going to fly cut a face just use a 1 tip cutter, the bad finish is because the other tips are dragging , because of no load on them
I use to work at a shop that built big fans like for coal mines. They had a big mill to square up the bearing pedestals. The guy that ran it would ride on the table sitting in a lawn chair.
Nice, I've been itching to see the jig borer in action, it may be an idea to build a large diameter fly cutter for facing jobs like this, I have just made one myself which is 220mm minimum diameter and maximum of about 300mm
This is how it starts , one day Kurtis is making a seat that a welding robot has demanded while it's on smoko , next thing Arnie is kicking in doors looking for Sarah Connor.
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I know it takes a lot of time, and it must be a hassle filming and deciding what should be filmed, but I want you two to know what a f*cking treat it is when you put out 2 videos in a week. Everything you’ve put out has been great content. I’m sure you hear it often, but both do incredible work.
Right!?
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Nice work Ole son, it's nice to have a change of pace. Karen is a monster at filming and dealing with the talent.
Hey.. mid week release.. cool..and totaly unexpected.. in radelaide for work and woke to see another qualtiy ep.. thanks team..made my mid week.. regards Patchy ☕🍳☕🍳
Hey mate! Don't work too hard 😎👍
Old school machine work requires old school tools and supplies. Glad to see WD40 is intercontinental. Thanks.
I was trying to read the can to see what it was. Good to know.
I notice that Curtis said he didn't *want* to spin it in the lathe, not that he *couldn't* spin it in the lathe. How dangerous would it have been to do so?
It's more of a pain to set up than necessarily dangerous. No round surface to indicate off of, and indicating square work is annoying. Since it would be all face cuts, concentricity isn't a concern, so the indicating wouldn't need to be very precise, but it's still long and would be awkward to get mounted in the chuck.
more than likely he didn't want to use the lathe due to the tedious set up required to get that properly running in the lathe.
I think dangerous is measured in kilogram. So I think it’s 150 kg Dangerous
Since it's symmetric, the spinning it self wouldn't be particularly dangerous. However I wouldn't feel safe doing work next to it, could get badly beaten if you got to close to the wings.
Since there are no round areas to stick a rest under at the top end, VERY dangerous...
That muck mass spinning unsupported in a lathe...I'm not surprised Kurtis didn't want to even try it...
But then, with the Hydroptic, he didn't need to since it's by far the best machine for that kind of work...
Great to have another good video to watch and get to see the how the new old addition works. How long did it take you to figure out all the controls? Thanks. Regards Richard 🇬🇧
Hey mate didn't take long to figure out the controls, just need to remember which way things go when I haven't used it in a while 🤣
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering So it's a refresher course in RTFM? 😅
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering looks a very good machine for doing what you just did. It's nice to see older machines still working. I have a 1943 Wilson Lathe and some 70's machines. Far better build quality than the modern equivalents.
Regards Richard
I was like “it’s Friday already?!”🤣. Great to have more CEE any day of the week!
What a machine thankyou guys for all the matching glory and staffie heaven 💙
Immer wieder schön zu sehen wie sie arbeiten, sehr schön erklärt
When a craftsman isn’t satisfied with the finish quality and takes a few extra minutes to do it right speaks volumes!
its crazy how this big of a machine can just do a 0.1mm pass over such a big surface without any issues. manufacturing the machine must be incredible.
This machine would most likely do 0,01mm pass without problems
Specifications say .003mm 😮
@@chrishartley1210 damn.
@@chrishartley1210 still very impressive
VERY large castings that are then Precision Machined and assembled...
A lot of the precision this machine and others are capable of it come from their shear mass and rigidity more than the precision surface grinding they undergo...
this surface is really awesome. great job!
Gotta love those wonderful old style noises that the Hydroptic makes 😍😍 and thank you so much for a Monday video!!
I'm always here for the beautiful surface finishes. Top job you two!
You two together would make a fantastic team👍
Mark of a true machinist: He'll take an extra pass just to make it look better. While staying within specified tolerances.
Nice video, must be fun to do a simple job for a change.
And Karen, your first split screen, you never disappoint and I am always impressed with your video skills. That's from a 35 year photographer, me.
Now that's an old throwback that you don't see anymore... a calendar!!!
Love the different machines that you use. Also love the amazing camera work. Super job.
When touching off, we used a Blue Riza Paper in oil on the surface, when the cutter tore it off we new it was exactly 1/1000 from the surface. ( before you say Bananas, remember we went to the Moon using bananas units)
What a great machinist and videographer the pair of you are.
When I read the video title, I was like, "What's he want to mount a robot onto the jig borer for????"
The idea of spinning that stand in the lathe is intriguing!
Beautifully done. What a great machine for that age.
Man I go to work all day in a machine shop, run lasers, EDM, Punch press, press brakes, mills, lathes ect and then I come home and watch you work, doing the same thing but different parts...
what does that say about me?
You are committed to you job and do the best you can.
Thank you!
Dad had a SIP jig borer in his shop as a kid. My work was limited to the Bridgeport milling machine.
Many fond memories
bit of a long shot but here in Far north Queensland we have a lubrication spray called "Mako Oil" I use this from completely oiling up machines or parts to using it as a cutting fluid. it works really well for the fitting and turning work i do out in the field and in the workshop. I definitely would recommend giving it a try out
Awesome to see the beast get out and shake some dust off and do some work. Great video and it was a joy to watch.
Love your work brother. Keeping the world entertained and informed ✌️
A Monday episode that doesn't follow on from a cliff hanger Friday episode! Kurtis, you're spoiling us.
Nice job! I used to love doing jobs like that for a one off but the borer we had was smaller than that one you have.
Got to love Curtis and " He only expects the best! " Allot of people would say, well it level, that will do !! But Curtis wants it level and look good.. And I respect him for that.. Just wish all companies would got that little bit further and take nothing but the best.. Good on you CEE
I love watching someone that knows what he is doing. Keep it up Kurtis.
Just curious why you didn't start upside-down, with the inverted top shimmed to the table and flatten the base first? Or did you Shim the base for milling the top?
If the Top was out of flat by 0.5mm due to welding stress, then I'd have to assume the Bottom was also, yes?
After unbolting wouldn't the milled flat surface be distorted by the relaxing base?
I've seen much bigger (more ridgid) weldments distort when clamped down to a Machine Table, then move back when unclamped.
Its always a pleasant surprise when we get an extra upload during the week. I dont do any kind of machining myself, but something about your precision and care for the quality you produce got me hooked from the 1st video recommended to me a little over a year ago. Since then I think I’ve gone back through at least 3/4 of your videos. Thanks for the hard work and know its appreciated!!
What a nice surprise to not wait the whole week
Thanks guys!!
Once again Bravo
Quite the talent and impressive machines
CEEA would like a dollar for every " what about machining the bottom" comment.
I was ready to sit down and watch the AFL after every Fridays CEEA video routine.
Hi Kurtis, I hope I'm wrong but I think you wasted your time on machining that top face. When you clamped it to the table 1:23 it looked like the bottom face wasn't flat, so you have stressed the fabrication to clamp it down, when you release the clamps, chances are the top face flexed. Should have shimmed the bottom face. Nice machine BTW.
It's nice see older machines still being used and you do fabulous work in your shop. I used many times an old Tos hori borer for Tenix ship building, I found that plate cut out with plasma cooked the edges hard. A chamfer ground right around edge of plate reduced vib & insert wear & increased surface finish. These surfaces were later used for (hand scrapped) chocking. This was for the many Anzac Ship project machinery foundations and bases made in Williamstown Vic.
5:00, I am wondering what about the BASE of that mount.? What un-flatulations may have occurred.?
Woo hoo Monday's too, brilliant surprise. Very good finish at the end, tall structures can be a bit difficult due to vibration, but all good at the end. Interesting trick with the insert. We had an old Webster & Bennett 48", which was very old WW2 era, but it left a great surface finish. The operator cared for that machine as if it was his child, forever cleaning, oiling and greasing. He was on that machine for at least 30 years. Thanks Kurtis and the lovely Karen for this surprise.
If the top is slightly warped from the heat of the welding fabrication , I would think the bottom would share the same fate. Surprised you did not flip it over after completing the top, and do the bottom as well, to keep the two surfaces parallel.......
Thankyou CEE, what a nice and relaxing video😊
It's not Friday...is it?! Thanks for the special treat Karen and Kurtis!
Awww I misunderstood about the welder I though it was for YOUR new robot welder!! Great vid as always!
but Kurtis IS the robot welder 😂
Surprise a CEE video on Monday, (in the US) Always a treat. Thanks
You have to also be one of the smoothest fork lift operators in the world, it would have hit the old slab a dozen times before I got it to the mill,,hehe! great filming once again Karen :-) I am still hopeful soon to see you and Matty on that 1Kmm Klopp ??? Cheers for Tx, Bear.
Early morning (for Austalia) upload? Nice. 7:30am!
It's probably been said before but I can't understand how less than 10% of the people that view the content created by all your hard work and skill bother to take the split second of time it takes to hit the like button. I really appreciate all your content and feel that you (and other creators like you) deserve that small reward at the very least!
Your solution to achieve a much finer finish was a good thought. Sometimes using low flow air to sweep the swarf off the surface will go a long way toward eliminating the gouging by trailing cutter inserts. Love to see a supposedly obsolete machine being used to handle a one off job on an oversized part.
What a beautiful surface, That would make a really nice coffee table, bugger the robot stand.
Should of just jerry-rigged a scotchbright onto it, and gone for it. But maybe that is a bad idea.
If swarf really is the issue, mount an air jet to the spindle so that it blows the swarf away from the trailing cutting area should help you immensely with your surface issues.
I can't believe this, a Christmas pressy in March, whoop whoop. Seriously Kurtis I need a feature length, movie version of you channel. Just for me, no one else. I'll let them watch it after me 'cause I'm that generous. Looking forward to Friday..
I‘m surprised the customer didn’t ask you to make any mounting holes, it seems like that would be easy to do with the part already set up.
I don't know why, but there is something, so dam satisfying about these precision metal grinding machines, It's like ASMR, for the eyes.
Yuss!! More of these small job/short videos would be awesome 😎