What got Nathanael so upset? (Our Bible experts discuss)
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2022
- Why did Nathaniel burn his work and dump the ashes on his head? What was the inspiration for Nathaniel's backstory? Our three Bible consultants (Rabbi Jason Sobel, Bishop Robert Barron, and Dr. Doug Huffman) chat with Dallas about the historical tradition of sackcloth, ashes, and Nathaniel’s response to Jesus.
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Protestant here checking in to thank you for bringing in Bishop Barron.
I think the scene of Nathaniel asking God "Do you see me!?" is probably one of the most powerful moments in Season 2 for me. Edited to say I promise I typed the comment before I heard Bishop Barron say the exact same thing, ha!
One of my favorite scenes as well. Very relatable, and superb acting!!
One of my very favourite scenes of all too. I return to watch it often. Very powerful. Thankyou Dallas and team for your great work.
Agreed it hit me
These discussions I feel should happen after every episode. A Catholic bishop, a rabbi, and a Protestant minister all together putting forth different perspectives. As a Catholic, I love it that Bishop Barron is on these discussions. He is just brilliant. God bless Dallas Jenkins.
Agreed 👍🏼
Amen.
Me too
I wish the panel had asked BP Barron if he still thinks of Jesus as the “privileged way”.. Also, a follow up question I would ask Bp Barron is: does he still proclaim belief in Hans Urs Von Balthasar's theory that hell might be empty... just curious..
Wish they'd get an Orthodox priest to advise as well. Fr. Barnabas Powell would be great, he's a former Pentecostal pastor who converted to Orthodoxy 20+ years ago, very humble and funny, charming man.
These roundtables are where we dig even deeper to find the truth and meaning of the gospel stories and show scenes.
Agreed 👍🏼
They are inspired and inspiring.Never watch "man" motivated roundtable discussions but these are superb and I would watch them always. Kudos 👍🏻👍🏻⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Yes, and we appreciate the discussions of the 3 gentlemen in this conversation and the other ones that have added their perspective. God Bless them. 🙏🏻🙏🏻☺☺
We Catholics actually have an ancient practice where on Ash Wednesday, the priest will mark our foreheads with ashes made from palm branches that were blessed at last year’s Palm Sunday. We do it as a sign of repentance for our sins.
With all the division that often splatters in conversations of Faith it’s refreshing to see these round table discussions. Great job Dallas🕯👍🏼🕯
I cried with Nathaniel under the fig tree, and cried again when he knew Jesus saw him. It was a beautiful scene.
When i read this passage, i cried too much like i am that Nathaniel that during my trials God saw me and when i watched the clip the passage give life to that scene.
Nathaniel’s story is one of if not my most favorite so far! I cannot tell you how many times I have watched that episode simply to watch Nathaniel’s redemption and surrender to Christ!
Mine is the 1st. Mary's 2 stories.
The 2nd is that one.
@@indiecouncil3057 I agree with you that Mary’s was great, too but I also love Nicodemus!
That scene is one of the most relatable moment. We have innumerable 'under the fig tree' moments asking God 'Do you see me????
And all the while He's there....
That's the truth!
As someone who has more than once in anguish prayed for their own death , very accurate depiction of a Mental Breakdown .
God bless you.
Peace be with you
This scene of Nathanael failing and asking God if He sees him, touched the deepest part of my soul. Thank you! I relate to this!
Thus particular scene is absolutely hands down my new favorite that I watch over and over and over and over and cry like a baby as he is correct it does get into your soul. That young man is so talented and he truly has the love of Jesus in him!!!
Bishop Barron, always a delight.
No.
Can't wait for these roundtables to be released in the S2 Special Edition DVD this spring! They are so theologically informative and add so much to watching the episodes discussed. This chat is particularly special because of Dallas's own story of how The Chosen was "birthed".
This is some Seminary level conversations. I would binge watch this for real!
It’s so great to see Bishop Barron on there. He has such great wisdom.
Católicos ciegos
Discussions with a rabbi. priest, and theologian are terrific.
Agreed 👍🏼
A jew Who doesnt think Jesus is his saviour? No thank you
@@damianperez7736 God doesn’t discriminate between religion and the Jews are just as much as his children as we are. The Jews are our older siblings.
@@damianperez7736 He is a Messianic Jewish rabbi.
@@Powerranger-le4up we are Gods children once we become part of Gods family which means becoming Christian. That is what makes us part of Christs body. Everyone can become part of Gods family but that doesn’t mean we automatically are, even if we are part of a false religion. No, we have to repent and follow Christ.
I always wondered what Nathaniel prayed under that tree on that day. Must have been a good one. This is a acceptable visual of what might have happened. Good work.
Most moving scene in season two: Nathaniel‘a recognition of divinity of Jesus and Jesus says “There it is.” What He waits for… that moment where He’s got ya! It is not a book moment, not a belief, not accepting Him as Lord and savior, no, the whole mind , body soul recognition. God must be experienced, all the rest is hearsay.
Favorite moments from Season 2 are definitely from that episode...
- do you see me?
- come and see
- I saw you.
Wow.
Speaking of sackcloth and ashes, we Catholics have an ancient practice done on Ash Wednesday to mark the beginning of Lent and prepare to celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus. Before the liturgy of the Eucharist is done, we walk up to the front and the priest will use ashes made from blessed palm branches from last year’s Palm Sunday to mark our foreheads. The mark is in the shape of a cross and the ashes are an outward sign of penance for our sins. Most of us won’t wash the ashes off until we have to shower or bathe. Non Catholics and even the excommunicated are allowed to receive the ashes on their foreheads.
Some of the more liturgical denominations of Protestant Christianity do this too.
Methodists started doing in in the early 90s. It's an optional tradition.
Our priest sprinkles them on too of our heads in a nid to ancient times. It's a beautiful service.
There's a quote from a significant 20th-century artist that keeps popping into my head, "The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away." - Pablo Picasso. I'm sure that Picasso was not much of a religious man, but to me, this quote is profoundly spiritual and applies to Nathanael's/Bartholomew's and many others' lives. We may think we know where God intends
to lead each of us, but we often get it wrong. Like, St. Francis of Assisi misunderstood God's charge to build his Church. So he went out fixing up a church building when God meant the Church proper, not just a building. Nathanael/Bartholomew made the same mistake. I found this scene very moving.
This is beautiful! Thank you for sharing the quote and your thoughts. It's got me pondering, and I must share this quote with my students!
I ❤️❤️❤️❤️the round table discussions. I’ve been waiting for them all season. I’m glad they are here✝️✝️✝️✝️
Great to see Bishop Barron in this discussion! 🙏🙏
The more we can look at God, the smaller any obstacle here dwindles. Good discussion! 🌿
The scenes with Nathaniel under the tree and then the one with Jesus were very powerful to me because it showed Nathaniel’s pain of failure (which everyone experiences in this lifetime) and him seeking God. Then the scene when he was with Jesus, being told that he was seen under the tree.
I had this exact question on my mind every time I watched this episode! This show is getting me through some very dark and lonely times. I hope you read this Dallas. This show is definitely divinely inspired. Just like the song All My Favorite Colors... My sister's and my brothers...
Also for anyone hoping for unity under Christ I find I learn a lot from the rabbi with the RUclips channel The Jewish Jesus.
Sorry to hear you are going through dark times. I pray that sunshine will come soon.
@@kwkw5711 Thank you and all prayers most gratefully appreciated.
Happy to see Bishop Barron in the crew. Love every one who are a part of this life Changing show about OUR LORD.
The moment Nathaniel recognizes Jesus as the Lamb of God still gives me a chill every time I see it.
Thank you guys for making these Amazing conversations available. Please do more of these chats... really blessed my heart. Can't wait for the released of season 2
I was once in a very long trial I called the "10-year takedown", came out at the end of it with nothing. There was a day I bowed low on the ground, grabbed a handful of nearby dry dirt and dumped it on my head. Didn't even care about dirt in my hair. There was something so emotionally satisfying and physically appropriate about expressing my grief and loss in that way - and I was fully aware of the ritual of tearing one's clothes and pouring dust on one's head.
The scene with Nathaniel is so heartbreaking and so relatable because yes we've all had those when we wonder if God sees us. Again so heartbreaking and relatable 💔😭
More Bishop Barron please.
Love this scene as well. Beautifully portrayed. Thank you for the round table discussion. Very insightful
I'm so happy to have Season 1 and 2 on DVD! The Lord is using you for something that will never EVER be forgotten in heaven. This series touches your viewers to the core. 🙏 Thank you!
This is a very helpful discussion about this part of scripture. Thank you for posting this because it beautifully expounding upon what it means when God is calling us to Himself, to come to him with a humble heart and in repentance.
The actor who plays Nathaniel did such a fabulous job during that scene!
“the moment of failure so that grace could get in” ❤️🏹📩
This is what should happen after every episode. Please, please, please do this after every episode of season 3. A Catholic Bishop (Bishop Barron), a rabbi, and a Southern Baptist minister with Dallas guiding the discussion. I know the scripts have been written. Anyone know when filming begins. Editing. Airing of season 3? Please tell me airing happens by Easter. God bless Dallas Jenkins❤️🌼🎄🌻🎚😁🚦🎁🌷🌹
If I remember correctly, in the video where Dallas discussed season 3 scripts he said filming would start soon and season 3 will probably release late 2022.
@@joshuatomeny3451 yeah he said it would end by Christmas. So that a lot of people can watch it during the holidays
I just finished season 2 and want to thank all those involved for this wonderful gift.
I am, what you might call, a budding Christian. I have not yet fully leaned into the faith, not because I do not want to but because I do not yet feel ready - In some ways I believe that it is God saying to me “not yet”.
Recently I have been praying for guides, lo and behold I discover this show. The humanisation of the stories has touched me in a way the bible has not yet been able to, that isn’t to diminish the role of the bible in my spiritual life, quite the opposite, it’s has deepened the role. Now I can read the bible with an understanding that the apostles are just like me, trying to figure this whole thing out. Even Jesus is presented in this way, though very much not like me - which creates in me a drive to be like Jesus or understand how I can better follow Jesus.
With all that, I thank you again! And look forward to season 3
Man’s ego is man’s biggest problem.
Your ego ain’t your amigo.
I was 50 before mine was finally crushed.
I thank God for that day.
🙏🏼❤️✝️❤️🙏🏼
I'm currently in the process of becoming a licensed architect. I have two test remaining. Both of which have a fail rate around 50%. I took both last week and failed. My score card indicated that I failed both test by less than two or three questions. I was devastated and frustrated, angry, tired, you name it. I saw this scene after a few days and immediate opened my bible to read this story. I 100% ran back to the Father. He is good and faithful to remind me that He hears, He sees me. I can and will take these test again, and in failure or success I will not run from Him. I lead worship for the youth and college at my church. Excited to tell this story, to remind these kids that Jesus sees them, he knows their true feelings!
I feel that The Chosen and the round tables are bringing all of us to a unity of faith, which Christ said, must come! I love this wonderful experience of sharing Jesus. Thank you.
I don’t believe “The resurrection of Gavin stone” was a failure. Dallas’ film had its place in time and the storyline spoke to many hearts 👍🏼
Bravo Bravo Bravo Bravo..wish the world were as giving and as friendly as you guys!!!I gain so much of good sense!! Many tks....wish I had ggown up with sharing your patience, and understanding!!!?
Nathaniel under the tree reminded me of in 2014 I was being emotionally abused by a guy I thought loved me and I would look up at the ceiling or out my bedroom window and ask God "why are you allowing this?"
I always believe that in order for God to fill me with graces,i need to be empty first
I took it as a sign of mourning for what he thought was calling of God that he was forced to give up in favour of what his true calling of God was, which is encouraging because sometimes our dreams even of how we thought we would serve God, are allowed by God to fail, so we could be directed towards something better. The calling of being the Messiah's apostle and the building of the true, eternal temple was much higher than serving God by building temporary places of worship.
Yo Bishop Barron!
I just finished re-watching Season 1-2 as I (along with everyone else) patiently wait for Season 3. It was wonderful to go back and see things I missed or thought a scene was one way and it was different or just enjoy it all over again. I’m glad I did too because I thought I watched all of Season 2 when it came out but apparently I missed a couple of episodes.
..."Sometimes we need our own failure to break open and ... to get god's grace in"...
such a profound truth!
I love that and it's funny because we talked early today about that. God is so good ♡♡♡♡♡
This scene hit home for me in a big way but really the actor (Austin) did an outstanding job - so much of his scene came from his eyes as much as it did his mouth - so intense and beautiful. One of my favorite scenes.
Honestly, Nathanael's first scene with Jesus was the most powerful for me. Even more powerful than Simon Peter's and Thomas' .
"Don't look at him (Philip), look at ME (Jesus) - this quote is very powerful for me.
I LOVE THESE! PLEASE DO A DICUSSION ON EVERY SHOW!
More of this pls!!!
God will receive the Glory 🙏 Viva Cristo Rey 💪🙏🙏
More please help us God with You at the table and all these faith filled people explore and learn
That story was the most meaningful to me of all in the series so far.
God Bless you guys.
🕯AVE MARIA
GRATIA PLENA!!! 💙💙💙
Ask God what to do next.. Then Breakthrough
L épisode avec Nathaniel est celui qui m as touché le plus car il as répondue à ma question si Dieu nous entends
@TheChosenSeries
You said lots of people could not related to the specific architect failure…I can tell you I relate directly with Nathaniel because that is exactly what happened with me, I had an architect failure and that was one of the ways the Lords grace broke Into my life and found me… I can understand the death of yourself kind of feeling cause I mourned that death in my life for about 3 years. It was this and a couple other things that caused me to hit rock bottom. So I relate directly with Nathaniel’s story…which is why I love it so much in your series! ❤
I reckon it's about the level we are at and regardless of our failures or what we think is failure, Jesus meets us at our level and is always with us and He doesn't see us as failures so 💞 🤗
Interesting comments by Dallas
Dallas,
The Resurrection of Gavin Stone is actually a fine movie with good Cinematography, good writing, and good acting. God simply held it down to bring you closer to Him.
I liked it. But it was definitely more like a TV movie rather than a feature film.
You ever seen The Prince of Egypt. The Chosen reminded me of it.
I liked Gavin Stone
I love the eucamenical discussions!
God bless.
It was cool today at church. During the sermon the pastor used a clip from episode one season one with Simon and Jesus the Fisher od Men seen just 59 secs. was way cool. We go to Good Shephard Lutheran Church in Tacoma WA.
I too love these as well :)
How many times in life I have done the same questions to God, shouting them out of my lungs: "Do you see me? Do you believe in me? Where are you? Am I a joke to you?". With time one learns that God's timeline is unfathomable, and I just have to wait and trust. If He only was a bit less silent...
Thanks for sharing. 🙂
I watched this interview then re-watched "I Saw You" several times with subtitles. If the accident and the building falling was supposed to be Nathaniel's fault my family missed it completely. We thought it was the foreman and the laborers intentionally not complying with Nathaniel's specifications which caused the accident and unintentional death while achieving their goal of ridding themselves of him the prideful Jew. Then Nathaniel finds himself in a similar Matthew situation except now nobody will hire him.
Aleluia Glória Deus.
I love King Jesus.
Amen.
@@purpleroyalty3290 amen. 😇
Chills Can you start to tomorrow ❤️❤️❤️❤️
These discussions are so enriching. Comprehensive insights pour out. I come away knowing that failure can bring freedom in so many areas. As I become aware it's not my ability, but allowing grace to step in as I'm a vessel to carry it through. Yes, that's very freeing for the work He wants us to do.
Thanks
I love the roundtables! Can you tell me when you'll be posting all of the Season 2 roundtables? Thank you!
Keep an eye out, Beth! Coming soon.
@@TheChosenSeries "Ah, there's that word - 'soon'. It's the most imprecise thing in the world. What is soon?" 😊 Sincerely - thank you very much for the reply!!
When Will the Many Waiting Out Here Finally Get To See SEASON 3????????
IT'S BEEN FINISHED FOR A WHILE NOW AND EVERYONE IS VERY VERY ANXIOUS 🥰
We will begin filming soon...Here's a sneak peek: ruclips.net/video/kOfo94cj5gc/видео.html
They would put ashes on them to know that they are in mourning as a Sign in the Valley but that God Would Still Bring him Through it. SHALOM
God bless 🙏🙏🙏
From building synagogues, to helping build the Church.
Also, related to the scene but unrelated to the subject:
Who is the bushcraft aficionado?
I keep spotting items being used as props and wardrobe (either the same or identical green shemaghs on Little James, the guy who carried Matthew in his cart, others; Nathaniel's ferrocerium rod used to start the fire under the fig tree; the blades used by Philip and Matthew when stripping bark, the backpacks and bags made of leather).
Was wondering if the show had a supplier, and if it was Dallas or someone else who came up with the idea to use these things?
Still in common in the southern outback-villages of Germany between Bavarian*Forrest and Black**Forrest an original katholic tradition was to put ashes on your head on Wednesday after Bavarian „Fasching*“-/Allemanish„Fas(t)en**Nacht- Tuesday knowing about having sinned on the festival days before to welcome springtime, and starting 40 days of lent before Easter.(the night before lent**). The proverb „to put ashes on my head“ also means to feel guilty for what I have done wrong to somebody/everybody by confessing it in public, like „mia culpa, mia maxima culpa“ - an act of repentance. (Low from Munich*BY and Fribourg**, BW, both in Deep South of 🇩🇪)
YES
@thechosen
Nathaniel's greatest moment was when he asked God if he sees him? That question has been asked many time and yes I've asked God this and God do you hear me? God why don't u answer? Funny thing is he always answers but not in the way I wanted. This has been one of my fav episodes.
He makes it personal. Thank you for sharing how you connected with this scene, Donna!
Is season three coming to the app any time soon?
Are all of the season 2 roundtables discussions out somewhere?
Bishop Barron!!!
Wow, no place to look but up! ( When you hit rock / dust bottom)
Because I said I saw you…you believe. It’s something different for each of us to believe.
One cannot "dig deeper" to find the truth behind human stories this old. One merely hypothesizes. Almost anything could have been anybody's back story. However, to those familiar with the Gospels, certain things are less likely to have been the back stories.
Matthew 23:9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One.
That Nathanial scene is so great because his failure was also one of his biggest successes! He found his true purpose. The project he was working on was WITHOUT GOD... lol... and now with God Nathanial is better than ever.
He was under a fig tree. See, it's a reference to original sin. God comes to us and invites us out of sin, beginning immediately!
Anyone know whether principal filming of season 3 has begun? Will season 3 be out by Easter?
He said in the last livestream. Filming begins mid-late April. Season 3 should all be released by the end of the year.
This scene, many of us will identify with
i know Job and many other people in the bible tore their Clothes put Ashes over their head and put on Clothes for weeping to show repentance and sorrow.
🕊💜🌍🌟
I agree with the second comment after mine
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( Ash on my head ) we do say that when disasters hit our home or something about to happen
I am an Assyrain Iraqi people of Babylon our culture is very close to Israel
If you read your Bible you’d know the ashes are part of a state of grief and repentance in the Jewish life. When king David chested with Bathsheba and they had a baby and baby was sick.. David dressed in sackcloth and ashes and didn’t eat for 7 days! When they reported the baby was dead David immediately arose dressed in his king garments and ate!!! Read your Bible do you know this movie is biblical! Chosen is doing a great job bringing the Bible to life!
Bishop Barron today, Fr. Gregory Pine tomorrow ;)
I like that they include the Rabbi because the Jews are God’s chosen people and part of God’s family. As Christians, we are basically the younger spiritual siblings of the Jews and we should respect them.