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@@The_Punisher I understand that youtubers gotta earned their bread but for fuck sake, this is a video that the purpose of is warning everybody about the risk of digital media, and then he just became a hypocrite in the middle of the video. I know this wasn't in bad faith but still is fucked up (not only that but war thunder includes almost every goddamn type microtransaction.)
This video perfectly encapsulates why I don't buy new games anymore. Frankly, I can't believe most gamers still put up with such disrespect, and this video didn't even take into account how many games are released buggy, broken, and unplayable nowadays. The games industry has slowly made me not want to play games anymore.
I still buy new games, but only the ones that interest me. I've been more into indie stuff lately, but I definitely see your point. Dont get me wrong, there is still some halfway decent aaa content, but that's just it. Halfway.
What killed the industry was becoming so popular. I wish gaming never would’ve got as big as it has. Once it did every corpo saw how much they could screw the consumer.
Funny how the money game companies save money by not having to pay for discs or cases or transporting them and yet not a penny (even sometimes costs more than the physical copy!) is saved and passed onto the consumer. Another perfect example of the utter lie of trickle down economics, it never happens! Utter avarice from the private sector yet again.
If they cut the price of games by like 30-50% because of selling digital, I'd be more okay with this trend. But they are not passing savings down, they're pocketing it for themselves. Buy physical, take back your rights!
There's something fun about having all your games as discs and showing them off in a display. Digital games will never replace that. Also the buying second hand thing
Yea but those ppl who still care about Physical are becoming a Minority since the gaming industry is flooded by a bunch of 15 yr old kids who give out Braindead shit like "Who buys Physical anyway. The only ones who buy it are old men" or say sth like "Who doesn't have an internet at their house these days" or act like these stores will forever be online until the end of the world.. Its sad
I miss the simpler time, when you just had to pop in the game CD and you could play the game as much as you want, even if you didn’t have internet. Now, it’s become so invasive that even a normal singleplayer game can require you internet access for some reason. These decisions aren’t good for the companies doing it in the long run - because it’ll fuel hatred and even bigger demand for piracy, which would bring them even less money than if they’d invest in the logistics for physical disk media production of their games.
The problem is that may get corrupted and co-opted long term. Their communities aren’t really tending themselves and letting anyone in as long as they build egos the size of cathedrals or larger. This all might come crumbling down one day and we can lose everything.
Or the fact people pay $70+ for something that, being digital, literally has no value and can be infinitely duplicated. Thank goodness for Fitgirl Repacks and Empress.
@@MarvinPowell1 Yeah it's kinda crazy that piracy is the only thing actually providing us games that CAN be stored and played "out of the package". Just wait for all updates and fixes to be in a version like that, burn it on a disc and it's yours. I wonder how long it will take for the game business to find a marketable solution in there where they will start selling some "Final State Ownership Edition" for games where they sell us an actual game on actual discs to be owned for several hundreds lol (Though as a disclaimer, I'm not encouraging piracy as a means of theft and all deserving good products at least should be supported with a purchase to keep the good ones going.
Except even that is not an option now. Denuvo has almost killed piracy atleast for the bigger titles, They are coming for switch games now and I am sure more devs in the future are going to use it, performance be damned. Rn the only person cracking denuvo is a nutjob and that is pretty much it. So when Ubisoft "unintentionally" breaks The first Assassin's Creed game a few days before the release of mirage, Finding a copy to play is going to be even more difficult moving forward
@@SirNoobWulf Actually, to my knowlege, denuvo isn't even that big of a problem. A game might go uncracked for the first week or so, but it happens eventually. Even the switch games are going to have workarounds and patches at some point in the same way we had for ps1 or ds games.
@@SirNoobWulf " Denuvo has almost killed piracy atleast for the bigger titles" Then you have not been into piracy for quite a while. Denuvo is NOTHING for those who jailbreak it. Also there are plenty of people working on a single triple A title so you have multiple options. Piracy is growing more than ever and it will increase the more these corporates keep on enforcing customers to buy digital. Digital product is worse as it is more vulnerable to distribution than being able to dig a hidden tunnel to secure all your cds from society lol
I still find it really cool when previously digital only games get physical releases, like Celeste, Slime Rancher, Carrion, Undertale, and FNAF. Digital games have a place, but we should always have the option between the two. I was interested in entering a sweepstakes Sony put on to win a Spider-Man 2 PS5, but after hearing that the game is digital, I'll happily pass.
I never understand why people keep defending digital games. Yes, it’s convenient to buy the games and play quickly but the disadvantages are really too many. Physical media should be preserved.
The problem with going all digital is that you will never have the same experience as having them physically. When I would go to my local EB Store, I would always browse around for what games they have available or for clearance and sales/deals, and I would also get to know a little more about games I’m not super familiar with, like Final Fantasy or Resident Evil.
😢The last game I saw on GameStop was Resident Evil 7 PC-DVD and I bought it😢. And because the stores are getting digital, it feels worthless to have a shelf collection of my classic PS2, PS3, PSP and PS4 and older PC games. I wish we could go back!
I kind of feel sorry for people born during 2010's and 2020's, they will never experience the same thing as people did during the 2000's But I actually don't feel sorry for them at all, people born during 2010's and 2020's are idiots and born too late.
@@umakantkulkarni6856 Everyone wish they could go back to the 2000's, well except for people born during 2010's and 2020's It's their parents fault for having kids too late.
Bro this whole comment section is just soyboy men crying over disks because of nostalgia- you still don't own a game when you buy a disk, you buy the right to play it. Doesn't matter what you say, digital = physical in terms of rights. This RUclipsr is just yapping about nothing now, then uses that nonsense to get P2W grindfest games to sponsor it.
@@rc5249 My physical games don't require me to connect to the internet to play them. The only way a company can take away my right to play physical games is by breaking into my house and stealing them!
It's so sad to see that gaming it going this direction. I haven't gamed a whole lot in recent years, not nearly as many hours as I've put on my Wii. I've also been buying CDs of my favorite albums and albums I like that I come across in my local entertainment store. I want to own my favorite albums, so the record labels have no way of taking that music away from me. I somewhat fear this with my all time top artist: Rage Against the Machine since they don't exactly support these capitalistic practices, so I bought their albums physically. My 4 Rage CDs are mine, and will always be mine as long as I look after the discs. I also burned the files to MY PC,. MY hard drive. No one can touch my music there. Buy physical, go against this corporate greed.
2:26 They are not tracking you, its not your account, I bet if we carefully read EULA it would became clear that we dont buy games, we rent them, this is why we cant xchange digital games like we did with disks, but its not like its someone elses fault, its our own fault, we moved to digital, we couldve just say no to corporation, but we did not, cause digital is much more convenient. They its not "they", its our own stupidity and its doesnt not end there. Preorders, early access its all our own stupidity which is biting us in the a-s.
Refund policies are highly frustrating compared to physical media. I bought a game on steam a couple months ago, forgot about and and never played it. I noticed it in my library last week, and said "Aw heck, I haven't played this and I probably won't in the future" so I decided to try and refund it. Even with not even a second of playtime, they denied my refund because it had been more than 14 days, which seems like a small window. What if I bought the game on sale, didn't get a chance to play it and by the by time I realized the game was a pile of hot garbage, it'd be too late for a refund? It's just stupid, because if it was physical media I'd at least be able to sell it and get *something* back. Now I'm just stuck with a game I have no intentions of playing. With digital media, there's no way of selling even old games you don't play anymore.
When publishers can remove games from digital stores it's a huge issue. I bought a driveclub on PS4 physical but I couldn't get alot of the dlcs because Sony pulled the game from their stored
If games requires internet connection this is only situation when I buy a digital edition. I don't see a reason owning a disc for game that can be shutdown.
Uh, no? I literally refunded Skate, that new skateboard game on the seventh day to a gamestop in my area. I had even bought it from a different gamestop 20 minutes further away. So not only did they refund me, and my opened, played game- they also did it at a different store and didnt require me to drive all the way out to the further away one, on the seventh day. So nothing was omitted, I based this point on personal experience and reading the back of the Gamestop reciept.
"Licensed, not sold" actually means that you can't sell copies of your copy, it doesn't mean that you don't own your copy. Legally talking, we do own the games bought digitally, but in practice most of the time we have to use workaround methods to actually own them like circumventing or removing DRM by using a cracked executable (Steamless for the Steam's case although that's developer's choice to use SteamStub since there some games that do not use it, GOG sells DRM-free copies so there's nothing to crack) and jailbreaking the consoles to be able to run backup copies (doesn't apply to Xbox One and Series since it'll likely never be cracked). As for selling and lending, how do you sell/lend a "used game copy" if the offer is infinite?
Yeah, I remember watching Ross' video on why he believes games as a service are fraud (The same guy who did Freeman's mind), he brought up a user by the name of Delicieuxz on the Linus Tech Tips forum that pretty much explained and mentioned how the "You don't own the games you bought" is a myth and/or corporate propaganda. This whole saying may have worsened cause many AAA companies would rather make a product that is live-service always-online only, instead of a traditional game, there for it's not really a owned game since it'd get shut down without warning sometimes since the product is more of a provided service than a game. Games like Black Ops 2, GTA V, Halo (all Bungie). These are traditional games, but then you have Fortnite, the newer Call of Dutys (Maybe?), Halo Infinite. These are more of Live-service games cause they are built around a service-model rather than a standard game model. It can be understandable that people would feel like they don't own anything when so much of gaming now-a-days is predicting that the next big game coming out is just another Live-service game with a unknown death-timer. At least games like Baulder's Gate 3 keeps some hope in the gaming market. But sadly we'd need more games with the same quality and standards.
Dark Space: Digital Games is bad. Also Dark Space with his sponsor: Hey try out this cool free to play war game that may or may not be shut down in the near future!
1. Dude, you HAVE to put these videos on your resume or something, you’d be like, *AMAZING* at an animation marketing job! 2. Yeah, a problem I had with Starfield was that the game costed a hundred dollars to get early access, and I couldn’t even play the game on PC because it said I need a ‘higher graphics card’ booooo! I got a refund but, still man, still. 3. It really sucks that the Xbox 360 store is shutting down, I never bought any games aside from dlcs for gta 5 and red dead redemption, but if that means the Avatar Store goes down too, man, that would suck, so many cool Minecraft, gta 5, red dead redemption and just other casual avatar clothes down the drain 4. It really is going to suck for consumers if every triple A game in 2030 is going to be over 100, there’s a limit, for games ok, and I think that limit should stop with Red Dead Redemption 2’s price, 60, dollars. 5. Yeah, I agree for once with this 2:58 Once, I bought South Park: The Fractured but whole, which I played on my friend’ computer which wasn’t used for gaming computers, and it really wasn’t working well, but unfortunately, because I played it for more than an hour or two, I couldn’t return it, which was so unpleasant and awful cause I had to play it in a lower graphics mode or else the game would constantly crash, and it crashed a lot of times! Yeah, there should definitely be a change in the refund system. Great work as always Dark Space/ Ocean!
Nothing about your experiences are invalid, but the second point you listed is a 'problem' with the customizability of a computer. Simply put, your computer did not have the strength. You are not the one at fault here in my opinion, I believe platforms should be more open to the layman about the power of their rig. But what you describe is a problem with your computer; too little power. Increased via a better GPU. there was nothing more that could really be realistically done on Bethesda's part besides cutting down the graphics and scope of the game. That's just how it is in the space.
@@tazinboor3913 oh, no no you mis-read. See, I'm advocating for the fact that you SHOULD know, and it should be far more prevalent on storefront pages. All I was trying to do was, as someone who is still partially a layman in the computer space, explain to you why this was a thing that happened. But I can relate to your experience. I have had that happen many times before as well. And I do apologize if the original comment was worded strongly. Not at all my intention to make you feel unwelcome
@@sammyday9743 “Unwelcome and ‘ruded’” I’d also put, ok. It’s fine. At least you told me you weren’t trying to be annoying to me, instead of saying another comment criticizing my “proximate” knowledge.
I think this issue runs far deeper than just games, with the mindset of young people today. Most of us (and those I work with) don't really have conscious awareness of digital privacy or data collection as a primary concern. Could be because almost every service they use inundates the same license agreement to them, and just shuts them out otherwise, or just information overload apathy. In other words, the freedom has been taken for granted, while slowly being stripped away, as the less conscious the problem appears. Evil spreading as good people do nothing.
I think more people are aware than you think, it's that like you said, you can only use their product if you agree with the terms so it's more so a mindset "i don't have a choice"
Very rarely do I sit down and focus on a Video the entire way through, your entire channel forces me to do so. Extremely important message you're sending here. Thank you!
First of all, these animations are impressive. I don't know how long these videos take, but that's beautiful. If you're of a certain age, you probably saw all of this coming 20+ years ago when they started selling discs with broken or outright missing games that required online access to download, and I wasn't about to pay the console manufacturers money to have online access that should have been free since I was already paying for my own internet service. To this day, I've never finished that Lego Star Wars game I have for the OG XBox because it had a game breaking bug that I can't download or apply a patch for. I stopped buying consoles and thus their games at that point and they can go fornicate themselves.
Most people don’t even care, for example I seen people not even caring about SM2 not coming with a disc for collectors Edition cause they claim they only want the statue but if you’re paying that much and getting a steelbook at least make it make sense and stop giving these companies the green light sayings it’s okay, I wanted the collectors edition for myself since I missed the first one but after the shadiness from Sony I passed
I noticed that once you mentioned it. The disks just have the name of the game on the CDs. Back then it had the name and some unique design to differentiate from other games
A lot of these seem to be issues with the storefronts rather than digital games themselves. I bought Deus Ex from GOG and they give you the direct download as well as the ability to download it in their launcher.
i think i never seen an intro so well made, the thought of previewing what you're about to see just adds up to the hype, feels like i'm waiting for a movie on a theater! quality stuff here!
I don't know what it's like in other countries but weirdly in Australia it's far cheaper to buy games at a store on disc then on the Microsoft/Playstation store. New games are usually between 90-110 AUD in a physical store while online they are currently 125 AUD which is insane considering it is far cheaper to not have to produce and distribute physical discs.
Don’t forget that you can sell them too. Bought God Of War: Ragnarok for $100 AUD and sold it for $70. I could’ve maybe got more but I wanted to quicksell. I only spent pretty much $30 and got the same experience.
Thanks for making this video. As an owner of physical games (or what I have left since childhood), I “own” a huge library of games on GamePass and Steam but there are games that I love the most and would play again that I would go far to get physical like Jedi Survivor or Halo MCC because if I ever get disconnected or the Internet shuts down, I can still play those games because I own the physical rights. I agree that DRM is so stupid and some games are like, “You must connect 24/7 in order to play them!! 😈😈😈” that’s just greedy, selfish, and impractical guidelines for games.
only issue is that it's impossible to buy physical PC games unless you get it shipped, and I don't have a disk tray for my PC. Otherwise I agree with this video, don't play console anymore but if I did I would be buying physical as well.
This video and the comment section will go down in history as proof to future gamers that some of us saw that a full digital gaming world was a colossal mistake. No more nostalgia. Very well done, Dark Space!
Phycical games with the ability to play them offline for one simple reason: Ownership! Its writen on every games cover if its require online connection just to play it or not.
I won't be surprised if the "solution" for all of this will eventually be an "final state ownership edition" for select titles that you can buy for 150 dollars at the end of the game's lifecycle (all fixes, updates and DLC delivered) that has the disc or set of discs that actually have the full game on it. Though not sure if they'd give it out for such an "affordable" price. ...and the saddest thing is, I'd probably even have to take the bait with all my favorite games just so I can rely that I have the actual full thing ready to play whenever.
HORIZON FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION " REPRINTED DISC VERSION " ALL UPDATES, PATCHES, EXSTRA CONTENT AND DLC BURNING SHORES INCLUDED ON THE DISC WITHOUT HAVING TO CONNECT ONLINE. Playstation 5 OFFLINE PLUG AND PLAY " SUPPORT THIS '
You can’t return a physical copy of a game anywhere if it’s opened. What are you talking about? In my opinion the return policies make complete sense to me on digital marketplaces.
Tbh, Steam's refund policy never bothered me much. I've bought, tried, and refunded many games and they always do as long as it's within their criteria. I do wish you had more than 2 weeks but I can understand how they don't want people taking advantage and finishing a game and then refunding or refunding a long time down the line so they force a deadline. Because as opposed to a brick and mortar store, it takes no effort to return something digitally. That's the whole system around rebates for instance, you can rely more on the money the more inconvenient it is for the consumer to get it back. Playstation's is terrible bc you can't even test the game. A game doesn't have to be "broken" to still be terrible or have had false advertising. Not letting you even test the product is pretty scummy.
To be honest. This has been a shift across all media. We stream music, movies, and tv now, Video Games were one of the only industries left that had such a significant physical release still happening. I personally think Games are more valuable than a movie or a music album so I'd like to physically be able to purchase a game and have it in my collection.
Some companies are even changing physical return policies to go againts the customer. I recently purcheased a game for the switch that i did not realize only worked in the regular version and would not work in my switch light. I was about to take ot out of the plastic but after reading the back i realized and decided not to open. When i brought it back the next day they wouldnt take it back saying i "could have done anything with it." I didnt even argue i sold ot on the market place and took a 10 dollar loss. But at least i was able to get something back.
I think the reason behind physical discs not being made anymore is because it makes less money and the fact that the new PC Cases remove the part that is used for Disc Writers.
However physical would never completely die off for 3 reasons if you get banned on console you can still play the game if you own a physical copy of the game. Families are still more likely to buy a kid a physical copy of the game. Lastly physical goes on sales quicker and can be cheaper than the sales online
@@theoutsiderjess1869Physical media ain't perfect though. Limited copies if it's not a big game, discs can get scrashed/broke, or just don't work with time. Retro gaming is another world entirely with scalpers and all. Not enough space in some cases, big games are taking +100GB for the most part. And besides, corporations are the pne that can tell you if you want to play a physical game. The disc of the game you insert can be tied to an update and may not work with time. That never happenned in the PS2/Xbox era.
Yeah physical isn't perfect, but the PSP, Wii, Wii U, 3DS and soon the Xbox 360 and PS3 stores will die before even my Dreamcast and SEGA CD collections. Optical media is a problem, but physical isn't. Also good to remember physical servers with physical drives are the only thing keeping digital games in existence, with the only difference being that physical can be bought infinitely while digital goes when the licenses or servers go down.
>dark side old videos: fighting against real problems like microtransactions >dark side new videos: uhh digital media bad because uhhh you don't own a disk!!1!!1!!
companies have probably realised that a majority of their community is children that can't go to a store to buy their game as they are not of age so they have to go to an online store and purchase the game there.
In my country I don't even know where I can find physical copies... It's sad, but digital versions are becoming more and more popular. I miss the old days when I had a collection of physical ps2 games...
Honestly think it should be illegal for a company to shut down the servers and to track your playtime for anything more than a combat record or something.
I was going to say the same The US never does anything cause it’s got it hands deep in the lobbyers’ pockets, but the EU does often does fix and protect consumers from greedy companies, and if the EU passes laws fixing these issues, these companies might just use the same standards also in the US as it ends up being cheaper, or Americans will look at the EU, see it fixed the problem, and put pressure on politicians to the same… The rest of the world… well, if the EU & US do something, they tend to follow, or it ends up being uneconomical to use 2 different standards so the companies just apply the EU & US standards to the rest of the world
When I got a PS4, I moved away from physical copies and bought the digital copies. But now I have hundreds of digital only games on my store that I can never sell. And I'm very afraid with the new terms of service, I'll get banned for anything. Who knows, they could ban me for a message I sent years ago that's now deemed offensive and I would lost 1000's of dollars worth of games plus 8000+ trophies. I've now gone back to physical, I do have hundreds of ps3 games and a couple dozen ps4, and a few ps5. I'm more likely to buy physical now and in most cases... it's actually cheaper. Even new, Dead Island 2 is 90 dollars Canadian physical but 94.50 on the digital store.
It's also really odd that buying physical is cheaper than digital. I bought my PS5 as the disc version exclusively because I knew that I will end up saving money when not being restricted to only buying from the Playstation Store, but instead can find physical deals cheaper because it opens up so many different options where to buy from, all of them having their sales and campaigns separately. I've eaaasily already made back the difference for having paid more for the disc version than the digital only PS5 by even finding brand new PS5 games that sell with 59 euros on release day in physical stores, instead of buying them with 69 or 79 euros on PSN store. Sad if we lose that competitiveness in price and digital console marketplaces will have a monopoly to those prices.
TO ALL PHYCICAL GAMERS WHO READ" I GOT MY PHYCICAL COPY OF HORIZON FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION YESTERDAY " REPRINTED DISC " ALL UPDATES, PATCHES, EXSTRA CONTENT AND DLC BURNING SHORES INCLUDED ON THE DISC WITHOUT HAVING TO CONNECT ONLINE! Playstation 5 OFFLINE PLUG AND PLAY! JOY TO SUPPORT THIS! BLESS THE DEVELOPERS BEHIND FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION!
Digital might be something, but physical will always be superior. The easy fix is to make Physical slightly cheaper due to having to drive to get to the store and back and make digital more expensive. I feel like thats how it should've been since the start.
If I remember correctly AC Valhalla on the Xbox Physical Copy contained almost no content the only thing was on the Disc was a license to download the game which sucks.
I have avoided digital as much as physically possible for the last 3 years. I was burned due to licensing issues with game I got. I had a game based on an anime I liked, the game wasn't anything special, but I enjoyed it for what it was. I wanted to install it on my PS5 and the licensing had expired with the company, I submitted a report to Sony and they came back with "Yeah, the License has expired" Then locked the game from working on my PS4 Pro (it was working fine up until then) and gave me a refund... I then went on to buy the Japanese Physical copy (Which I'm learning Japanese anyway so that's fine) and now they can't stop me from playing it. The Day all digital consoles exist is the day I find a new hobby.
I wish renting games digitally was a thing. I'd rent a single player game for a weekend and beat it and never play it ever again. I used to be able to do this with physical games in the old days but rentals arent a thing anymore.
I have a lot of respect for insomniac they are like one of the only game developer companies that have a good work culture still. I think maybe Spider-Man 2s success could have companies reconsider crunch culture, but also reconsider selling physical copies.
Gotta thank the pirates for saving lots of games that were removed from digital stores, and allowing an option to patch out the online drm from legit copies.
I am very selective about the games nowadays, I don't jump on pre-orders and I lower my expectations and only buy a game if I feel it's worth it 100%...mostly on discs for console but on PC I have no choice.
The thing is that physical discs can sometimes be tremendously more expensive than the digital game, especially in the official stores.. That's pretty sad, because I used to by discs back in the PS2 & PS3 period.
@@jjnet123 Nice. here in Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, discs are way more expensive than digital games, especially new games, I don't know if the causes are taxes or something else, this makes me prone to always purchase digitally. Besides, I can access some online markets that sell PSN for other regions with various prices, some of which are impressively low. in comparison to the discs here.
Digital games are only worth it if they're cheaper than the physical copies. Why THE F*CK would anyone ever pay $60-70 to download some digital data online that you can get for free as soon as Empress or Fitgirl cracks them?
@@jjnet123 Same with the US, after a year a physical copy in a store would be down to half price while it would still be full price on the digital store. PC is kinda the exception with Steam sales, but even there, some companies like Activision are still trying to charge full price for decade old games when not on sale.
I tried to buy Insomniacs Spiderman 2 Collectors Edition but I had trouble trying to get into their website store. I went to buy it on Amazon but I couldn't find it, I tried to buy the Deluxe Edition and I couldn't find it so in the end I ended up pre-ordering the standard. I was bummed but at least I had a copy. Now that I know about the Collectors having no disc and Deluxe Edition not having a physical copy I am so glad I went with the base game. I saved myself from theft and I saved hundreds of pounds. Even Insomniac cant escape the clutches of corporate greed.
This is all common knowledge since the digital games era of ps3 and xbox 360. We always knew buy games physical, if its only digital, then have an account just for the purchase of digital games, and use your multiplayer account on the same console so your purchasing account does not suffer if your playing account gets banned. And store backups of digital games on extended HDDs. This alone solves most of the concerns in this video. Yeah digital still sucks, but emulators also exist for older titles that disappear. There's always an answer to all these issues.
People need to do some actual damn research We have NEVER owned games, back when CDs first became common place a ruling was heald that deemed buyung a CD didnt mean you owned the song, you owned the CD containing the song, the song itself was still property of the music label, thia meant you couldnt use the song in your own music, or rip it and burn it This also got applied to video games Why is this important Well this means that owning a game physically is no more or leas ownership, you hold no legal right over the data on the disc, its the comapny who owns that datas right to say what you can and can not do with a physical game you own, sure you can do whatever you want to the disc itself, but you can not touch the data on it This means things like game modding and playing backed up copies are NOT legally protected That doesnt sound like ownership to me And IMO if we never owned games in the first place, IDC about owning them even less
It’s honestly really sad it’s just getting worse and worse you can’t even have privacy no more I grew up with playing with discs like a lot of other people and I get it that the world is changing but hey, we should at least have some privacy
Great video. As a game collector, I'm definitely not happy about any of this. I will always prefer physical copies. I have a new motto: "Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition"
This is why I keep my Xbox 360 and my physical copies to that console. I can play completely offline, and Xbox can't take my games. Also, when I do buy digital copies, I wait until it has a huge discount. Obviously, if Sony or Playstation or even Steam just take games away, they would lose millions of customers and lose their trust.
Especially when Sony and Microsoft are updating system software with a virus malware bug stopping some physical games from working intentionally forcing users to buy digital games
As someone who always buys physical, i dont plan to ever go digital only anytime soon. Will always love physically owning my game rather than basically renting it on server's.
Considering how forgettable, generic and frankly boring most of the AAA games have been for a few years by now, I often ask myself the question if buying physical media for newer games is even worth the effort, even if the games were to still function for years later. I don't know, it's been a long time since I played a game that could make me stop and think: I'm going to be playing this game for many, many years in the future just i did for Driver 2, GTA San Andreas, Gran Turismo 4, etc...Last time I thought this was back in 2019 when I played RDR2 for the first time, and somehow I just don't play it anymore, it doesn't entices me enough to keep my interest. Maybe I'm just getting old and growing bitter of gaming as a whole, but I just don't see the point in wanting to keep something for me that was meant to be discardable.
The way I see it, digital copies aren't the problem. The problem is everything thats said in this video. Take all that away, theres no problem. I would still prefer buying physical copies tho.
Accounts shouldn't be able to get banned they should only lose access to multiplayer, messaging, and chat features but the account should still be allowed to buy and download games, DLC, and patches
The point about time limits for digital purchase refunds really stands out to me as it reminds me of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. The digital version is massive, but you're only required to download a few hundred MB to start the game. The remainder of the game's download (again, massive), is done through an in-game menu, so the time spent playing increases while you're initially downloading the game. The average person will pass, or come close to passing, the time limited before it's even playable
honestly i would love to buy physical games again but then a steam sale comes around and the reminder that my pc doesnt have a disk drive and that alot of companies sell codes in a box and it all crumbles piece by piece
The disc isn't included in the Spiderman 2 or Horizon: Forbidden West super deluxe edition cause not everyone has a disk ps5. There should still be the option to chose between them tho/
On the issue of refunds, I pre-ordered GT7 (digital) being a life-long fan of the series. Seeing the dissatisfied reviews upon its release, I requested a refund from Sony figuring I’d wait until it was on sale to pick it back up. Sony initially declined a refund stating I’d downloaded and played the game already. I had absolutely done NEITHER!! They eventually caved but made it apparent they were doing me some sort of favor returning my money since I’d never requested a refund before. I have not since and will never again pre-order a digital console game after that stunt they tried to pull! It also left such a bad impression I still haven’t repurchased GT7, even on sale for over half off.
The timing of all this stuff going down with the gaming industry right now makes me feel like it's an even better and smarter move now to mod my PS2 loaded up with a library 7-year-old me would've felt like the coolest kid on the block for having
UPDATE:
Best Buy confirms it's ending sales on physical movies/TV shows in 2024 (in-store and online). It will continue to sell video games.
“To state the obvious, the way we watch movies and TV shows is much different today than it was decades ago. Making this change gives us more space and opportunity to bring customers new and innovative tech for them to explore, discover and enjoy.”
Also,
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War Thunder is LITERALLY a digital game!
Hypocrite! War Thunder is a digital Game!!
>Don't buy digital
>has a digital P2W game as their sponsor
wtf
@leviplasma 😂 Don't buy it, download it for free
there is no sound
We're getting into a time where you have more ownership in a pirated game than an original copy
Well said
His sponsor is a download only game 💀
@@The_Punisher I understand that youtubers gotta earned their bread but for fuck sake, this is a video that the purpose of is warning everybody about the risk of digital media, and then he just became a hypocrite in the middle of the video. I know this wasn't in bad faith but still is fucked up (not only that but war thunder includes almost every goddamn type microtransaction.)
At this point I feel like piracy is ethical, nothing compared to the filthy practices of these corporations
and they will find a way to milk money from the pirated user.......
It's all getting worse and worse, but I mostly hate when they force you to always play online in a single-player game.
Shout out Hitman 2023 Lol
Payday 3
@@harterism Damn, I didn't know. 🙃
@@harterismfunny enough, there is literally no excuse for Payday 3.
There are hackers everywhere and pirates can play on the official servers
bro played pay day 3
This video perfectly encapsulates why I don't buy new games anymore. Frankly, I can't believe most gamers still put up with such disrespect, and this video didn't even take into account how many games are released buggy, broken, and unplayable nowadays. The games industry has slowly made me not want to play games anymore.
I still buy new games, but only the ones that interest me. I've been more into indie stuff lately, but I definitely see your point. Dont get me wrong, there is still some halfway decent aaa content, but that's just it. Halfway.
What killed the industry was becoming so popular. I wish gaming never would’ve got as big as it has. Once it did every corpo saw how much they could screw the consumer.
I'm not buying a ps5 as I'm happy with the games I've collected and played over the last 30 years. I'm leaving the hobby satisfied.
Fax🤦🏾♂️💯
@@Tampafan33 gatekeeping and staying niche, to a degree, is always better than going mainstream, in so many ways.
Funny how the money game companies save money by not having to pay for discs or cases or transporting them and yet not a penny (even sometimes costs more than the physical copy!) is saved and passed onto the consumer. Another perfect example of the utter lie of trickle down economics, it never happens! Utter avarice from the private sector yet again.
If they cut the price of games by like 30-50% because of selling digital, I'd be more okay with this trend. But they are not passing savings down, they're pocketing it for themselves. Buy physical, take back your rights!
A physical copy overall costs exactly 1 cent
Just stop buying video games.
The avarice never ends! "I want golf clubs. I want diamonds. I want a pony so I can ride it twice, get bored and sell it to make glue."
This is the fault of greedy companies not an economic system
There's something fun about having all your games as discs and showing them off in a display. Digital games will never replace that. Also the buying second hand thing
Touch grass.
@@ShadowMan64572lmao
@@ShadowMan64572 take your own advice clown.
@@ShadowMan64572 touch some female's bro
@@ShadowMan64572Facts
I’m glad we still have people who still care about physical media instead of digital
Yea but those ppl who still care about Physical are becoming a Minority since the gaming industry is flooded by a bunch of 15 yr old kids who give out Braindead shit like "Who buys Physical anyway. The only ones who buy it are old men" or say sth like "Who doesn't have an internet at their house these days" or act like these stores will forever be online until the end of the world..
Its sad
I brought two physical copies recently and honestly, I need to buy more of them.
the only thing why digital copies are better than physical is that you dont have to worry you game crashing because it got damage or got scratched
idc honestly, all physical media did was giving me problems
@@chrisspeed270 I can understand
I miss the simpler time, when you just had to pop in the game CD and you could play the game as much as you want, even if you didn’t have internet.
Now, it’s become so invasive that even a normal singleplayer game can require you internet access for some reason. These decisions aren’t good for the companies doing it in the long run - because it’ll fuel hatred and even bigger demand for piracy, which would bring them even less money than if they’d invest in the logistics for physical disk media production of their games.
Let it happen at this point, people only learn from mistakes
This is why piracy and emulation are so prominent these days. At least you get to keep your games forever.
The problem is that may get corrupted and co-opted long term. Their communities aren’t really tending themselves and letting anyone in as long as they build egos the size of cathedrals or larger. This all might come crumbling down one day and we can lose everything.
I think the biggest way we get ripped off is paying 79 dollars for a game that could be a broken unfinished mess.
Or the fact people pay $70+ for something that, being digital, literally has no value and can be infinitely duplicated. Thank goodness for Fitgirl Repacks and Empress.
@@MarvinPowell1 Yeah it's kinda crazy that piracy is the only thing actually providing us games that CAN be stored and played "out of the package". Just wait for all updates and fixes to be in a version like that, burn it on a disc and it's yours.
I wonder how long it will take for the game business to find a marketable solution in there where they will start selling some "Final State Ownership Edition" for games where they sell us an actual game on actual discs to be owned for several hundreds lol
(Though as a disclaimer, I'm not encouraging piracy as a means of theft and all deserving good products at least should be supported with a purchase to keep the good ones going.
Then don't buy it and buy a game that works instead. Just a little thought.
@@ShadowMan64572 You might be onto something...
The new Forza Motorsport is a prime example.
Man they're real when they said "You will own nothing and be happy"
I was just about to post this comment. It’s gonna happen, no question. Just when… looks like we’re already well on our way.
And we dumb Americans accepted it
Literally 1984
This is super scary. I kinda dont wanna live in this dystopian world. Greed ruins everything.
Yall better start building PCs. I'm starting soon
Remember folks, if these greedy corporates get too ahead of themselves, you can always take your ship and sail the high seas
Except even that is not an option now. Denuvo has almost killed piracy atleast for the bigger titles, They are coming for switch games now and I am sure more devs in the future are going to use it, performance be damned. Rn the only person cracking denuvo is a nutjob and that is pretty much it.
So when Ubisoft "unintentionally" breaks The first Assassin's Creed game a few days before the release of mirage, Finding a copy to play is going to be even more difficult moving forward
@@SirNoobWulf Actually, to my knowlege, denuvo isn't even that big of a problem. A game might go uncracked for the first week or so, but it happens eventually. Even the switch games are going to have workarounds and patches at some point in the same way we had for ps1 or ds games.
@@SirNoobWulf " Denuvo has almost killed piracy atleast for the bigger titles"
Then you have not been into piracy for quite a while. Denuvo is NOTHING for those who jailbreak it. Also there are plenty of people working on a single triple A title so you have multiple options. Piracy is growing more than ever and it will increase the more these corporates keep on enforcing customers to buy digital. Digital product is worse as it is more vulnerable to distribution than being able to dig a hidden tunnel to secure all your cds from society lol
Yeah, if someone wants to play his/her favorite game without DRM, they would have to pay Empress 500€ (equivalent to 30,000 pesos in my country).
@@jacobxiaolong9104 blud there are more pirates than just empress.
I still find it really cool when previously digital only games get physical releases, like Celeste, Slime Rancher, Carrion, Undertale, and FNAF. Digital games have a place, but we should always have the option between the two. I was interested in entering a sweepstakes Sony put on to win a Spider-Man 2 PS5, but after hearing that the game is digital, I'll happily pass.
I never understand why people keep defending digital games. Yes, it’s convenient to buy the games and play quickly but the disadvantages are really too many. Physical media should be preserved.
The problem with going all digital is that you will never have the same experience as having them physically.
When I would go to my local EB Store, I would always browse around for what games they have available or for clearance and sales/deals, and I would also get to know a little more about games I’m not super familiar with, like Final Fantasy or Resident Evil.
😢The last game I saw on GameStop was Resident Evil 7 PC-DVD and I bought it😢. And because the stores are getting digital, it feels worthless to have a shelf collection of my classic PS2, PS3, PSP and PS4 and older PC games. I wish we could go back!
I kind of feel sorry for people born during 2010's and 2020's, they will never experience the same thing as people did during the 2000's
But I actually don't feel sorry for them at all, people born during 2010's and 2020's are idiots and born too late.
@@umakantkulkarni6856 Everyone wish they could go back to the 2000's, well except for people born during 2010's and 2020's It's their parents fault for having kids too late.
Bro this whole comment section is just soyboy men crying over disks because of nostalgia- you still don't own a game when you buy a disk, you buy the right to play it. Doesn't matter what you say, digital = physical in terms of rights. This RUclipsr is just yapping about nothing now, then uses that nonsense to get P2W grindfest games to sponsor it.
@@rc5249 My physical games don't require me to connect to the internet to play them. The only way a company can take away my right to play physical games is by breaking into my house and stealing them!
It's so sad to see that gaming it going this direction. I haven't gamed a whole lot in recent years, not nearly as many hours as I've put on my Wii. I've also been buying CDs of my favorite albums and albums I like that I come across in my local entertainment store. I want to own my favorite albums, so the record labels have no way of taking that music away from me. I somewhat fear this with my all time top artist: Rage Against the Machine since they don't exactly support these capitalistic practices, so I bought their albums physically. My 4 Rage CDs are mine, and will always be mine as long as I look after the discs. I also burned the files to MY PC,. MY hard drive. No one can touch my music there. Buy physical, go against this corporate greed.
"You will own nothing and be happy."
2:26 They are not tracking you, its not your account, I bet if we carefully read EULA it would became clear that we dont buy games, we rent them, this is why we cant xchange digital games like we did with disks, but its not like its someone elses fault, its our own fault, we moved to digital, we couldve just say no to corporation, but we did not, cause digital is much more convenient. They its not "they", its our own stupidity and its doesnt not end there. Preorders, early access its all our own stupidity which is biting us in the a-s.
Thank you for making video on this. Physical copies should never die
Blame Microsoft and Linux for not adding support for blu ray disc
Refund policies are highly frustrating compared to physical media. I bought a game on steam a couple months ago, forgot about and and never played it. I noticed it in my library last week, and said "Aw heck, I haven't played this and I probably won't in the future" so I decided to try and refund it. Even with not even a second of playtime, they denied my refund because it had been more than 14 days, which seems like a small window. What if I bought the game on sale, didn't get a chance to play it and by the by time I realized the game was a pile of hot garbage, it'd be too late for a refund? It's just stupid, because if it was physical media I'd at least be able to sell it and get *something* back. Now I'm just stuck with a game I have no intentions of playing. With digital media, there's no way of selling even old games you don't play anymore.
Refund policies are awful because like Dark said you can't form a proper opinion on a game within 2 hours.
That’s ur fault lmao months
When publishers can remove games from digital stores it's a huge issue. I bought a driveclub on PS4 physical but I couldn't get alot of the dlcs because Sony pulled the game from their stored
The closure of the Nintendo eshop was a huge warning for us to come
was hoping you'd also talk about full priced games that can't be played without an internet connection, even if you have a physical copy
If games requires internet connection this is only situation when I buy a digital edition. I don't see a reason owning a disc for game that can be shutdown.
Darkspace: dont buy digital copys
Also Darkspace: buy war thunder, a digital copy
The refund policy at gamestop is for unopened games.
That's a weird omission.
Same for the other retail stores. Skipping telling us that kinda makes me want to Unsub because that is a huge thing to not say.
Reseal it back, 500 iq
Uh, no? I literally refunded Skate, that new skateboard game on the seventh day to a gamestop in my area. I had even bought it from a different gamestop 20 minutes further away. So not only did they refund me, and my opened, played game- they also did it at a different store and didnt require me to drive all the way out to the further away one, on the seventh day.
So nothing was omitted, I based this point on personal experience and reading the back of the Gamestop reciept.
@DarkSpaceStudios that is an omission. Thats not their policy.
you got lucky then.
@darconex6936 their policy as written on the receipt says nothing about opened games being unreturnable
"Licensed, not sold" actually means that you can't sell copies of your copy, it doesn't mean that you don't own your copy. Legally talking, we do own the games bought digitally, but in practice most of the time we have to use workaround methods to actually own them like circumventing or removing DRM by using a cracked executable (Steamless for the Steam's case although that's developer's choice to use SteamStub since there some games that do not use it, GOG sells DRM-free copies so there's nothing to crack) and jailbreaking the consoles to be able to run backup copies (doesn't apply to Xbox One and Series since it'll likely never be cracked). As for selling and lending, how do you sell/lend a "used game copy" if the offer is infinite?
Yeah, I remember watching Ross' video on why he believes games as a service are fraud (The same guy who did Freeman's mind), he brought up a user by the name of Delicieuxz on the Linus Tech Tips forum that pretty much explained and mentioned how the "You don't own the games you bought" is a myth and/or corporate propaganda.
This whole saying may have worsened cause many AAA companies would rather make a product that is live-service always-online only, instead of a traditional game, there for it's not really a owned game since it'd get shut down without warning sometimes since the product is more of a provided service than a game.
Games like Black Ops 2, GTA V, Halo (all Bungie). These are traditional games, but then you have Fortnite, the newer Call of Dutys (Maybe?), Halo Infinite. These are more of Live-service games cause they are built around a service-model rather than a standard game model. It can be understandable that people would feel like they don't own anything when so much of gaming now-a-days is predicting that the next big game coming out is just another Live-service game with a unknown death-timer.
At least games like Baulder's Gate 3 keeps some hope in the gaming market. But sadly we'd need more games with the same quality and standards.
Dark Space: Digital Games is bad.
Also Dark Space with his sponsor: Hey try out this cool free to play war game that may or may not be shut down in the near future!
1. Dude, you HAVE to put these videos on your resume or something, you’d be like, *AMAZING* at an animation marketing job!
2. Yeah, a problem I had with Starfield was that the game costed a hundred dollars to get early access, and I couldn’t even play the game on PC because it said I need a ‘higher graphics card’ booooo! I got a refund but, still man, still.
3. It really sucks that the Xbox 360 store is shutting down, I never bought any games aside from dlcs for gta 5 and red dead redemption, but if that means the Avatar Store goes down too, man, that would suck, so many cool Minecraft, gta 5, red dead redemption and just other casual avatar clothes down the drain
4. It really is going to suck for consumers if every triple A game in 2030 is going to be over 100, there’s a limit, for games ok, and I think that limit should stop with Red Dead Redemption 2’s price, 60, dollars.
5. Yeah, I agree for once with this 2:58 Once, I bought South Park: The Fractured but whole, which I played on my friend’ computer which wasn’t used for gaming computers, and it really wasn’t working well, but unfortunately, because I played it for more than an hour or two, I couldn’t return it, which was so unpleasant and awful cause I had to play it in a lower graphics mode or else the game would constantly crash, and it crashed a lot of times! Yeah, there should definitely be a change in the refund system.
Great work as always Dark Space/ Ocean!
Nothing about your experiences are invalid, but the second point you listed is a 'problem' with the customizability of a computer. Simply put, your computer did not have the strength. You are not the one at fault here in my opinion, I believe platforms should be more open to the layman about the power of their rig. But what you describe is a problem with your computer; too little power. Increased via a better GPU. there was nothing more that could really be realistically done on Bethesda's part besides cutting down the graphics and scope of the game. That's just how it is in the space.
@@sammyday9743 Well how was I supposed to know man? Geez.
@@tazinboor3913 oh, no no you mis-read. See, I'm advocating for the fact that you SHOULD know, and it should be far more prevalent on storefront pages. All I was trying to do was, as someone who is still partially a layman in the computer space, explain to you why this was a thing that happened. But I can relate to your experience. I have had that happen many times before as well. And I do apologize if the original comment was worded strongly. Not at all my intention to make you feel unwelcome
@@sammyday9743 “Unwelcome and ‘ruded’” I’d also put, ok. It’s fine. At least you told me you weren’t trying to be annoying to me, instead of saying another comment criticizing my “proximate” knowledge.
I think this issue runs far deeper than just games, with the mindset of young people today. Most of us (and those I work with) don't really have conscious awareness of digital privacy or data collection as a primary concern. Could be because almost every service they use inundates the same license agreement to them, and just shuts them out otherwise, or just information overload apathy.
In other words, the freedom has been taken for granted, while slowly being stripped away, as the less conscious the problem appears.
Evil spreading as good people do nothing.
I think more people are aware than you think, it's that like you said, you can only use their product if you agree with the terms so it's more so a mindset "i don't have a choice"
@@I--benn--I very true.
Hard to see a solution without withering away.
All my games are digital, not 1 has ever been "stolen" or taken away from me. This video and these comments are like flat earthers lmfao
@@ShadowMan64572 Give it 20 years or so, then come back to this comment and let us know how those digital games are holding up.
@@DarkSpaceStudios I would be very skeptical of trying to predict for certain what happens 20 years into the future.
Very rarely do I sit down and focus on a Video the entire way through, your entire channel forces me to do so.
Extremely important message you're sending here. Thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate that so much. Humbled by it. Thank you for watching them in full
Dark space is consistent with that high quality content 🔥🔥
Very true but its a shame he doesn't have good morals with who he sponsors. Perhaps the only bad remark you could make about dark space.
@@FluffyChopshe has to make ends meet unfortunately there are way worse and even more RUclipsrs like this
Dark Space is consistent in repeating the same thing over and over again as well.
@@impointrsince when has made a video about digital media?
@@Jsipki265 I was alluding to the rest of his content especially almost every single of his GTA videos.
First of all, these animations are impressive. I don't know how long these videos take, but that's beautiful. If you're of a certain age, you probably saw all of this coming 20+ years ago when they started selling discs with broken or outright missing games that required online access to download, and I wasn't about to pay the console manufacturers money to have online access that should have been free since I was already paying for my own internet service. To this day, I've never finished that Lego Star Wars game I have for the OG XBox because it had a game breaking bug that I can't download or apply a patch for. I stopped buying consoles and thus their games at that point and they can go fornicate themselves.
Happy to see you addressing these issues, not a lot of people notice such things or even speak about/against it
Most people don’t even care, for example I seen people not even caring about SM2 not coming with a disc for collectors Edition cause they claim they only want the statue but if you’re paying that much and getting a steelbook at least make it make sense and stop giving these companies the green light sayings it’s okay, I wanted the collectors edition for myself since I missed the first one but after the shadiness from Sony I passed
I miss those times when game companies used some creativity even for the tiniest details. The cover art of disks, manuals, maps such an era.😢
I noticed that once you mentioned it. The disks just have the name of the game on the CDs. Back then it had the name and some unique design to differentiate from other games
I love my physical media… really don’t want physical discs to end
A lot of these seem to be issues with the storefronts rather than digital games themselves. I bought Deus Ex from GOG and they give you the direct download as well as the ability to download it in their launcher.
Gog also allows the re-instatement of previous updates of games you bought there.
Yeah, gog is the definitive way for PC gaming and DRM-Free content
Yes! I should have mentioned GOG. What an oversight. Thanks for bringing that up.
i think i never seen an intro so well made,
the thought of previewing what you're about to see
just adds up to the hype, feels like i'm waiting for a movie on a theater!
quality stuff here!
Yea this guy will probs get to at least a million subs with enough time
I don't know what it's like in other countries but weirdly in Australia it's far cheaper to buy games at a store on disc then on the Microsoft/Playstation store. New games are usually between 90-110 AUD in a physical store while online they are currently 125 AUD which is insane considering it is far cheaper to not have to produce and distribute physical discs.
Don’t forget that you can sell them too. Bought God Of War: Ragnarok for $100 AUD and sold it for $70. I could’ve maybe got more but I wanted to quicksell. I only spent pretty much $30 and got the same experience.
I am constantly telling people to buy physical media, get something tangible for your money! People are so lazy and will pay anything for convenience.
Thanks for making this video. As an owner of physical games (or what I have left since childhood), I “own” a huge library of games on GamePass and Steam but there are games that I love the most and would play again that I would go far to get physical like Jedi Survivor or Halo MCC because if I ever get disconnected or the Internet shuts down, I can still play those games because I own the physical rights. I agree that DRM is so stupid and some games are like, “You must connect 24/7 in order to play them!! 😈😈😈” that’s just greedy, selfish, and impractical guidelines for games.
only issue is that it's impossible to buy physical PC games unless you get it shipped, and I don't have a disk tray for my PC. Otherwise I agree with this video, don't play console anymore but if I did I would be buying physical as well.
Literally everything in our reality is getting worse. It’s depressing as fuck.
This video and the comment section will go down in history as proof to future gamers that some of us saw that a full digital gaming world was a colossal mistake. No more nostalgia.
Very well done, Dark Space!
We accepted the digital media on music, movies, games, etc. because of our dumbed down education
Phycical games with the ability to play them offline for one simple reason:
Ownership!
Its writen on every games cover if its require online connection just to play it or not.
I won't be surprised if the "solution" for all of this will eventually be an "final state ownership edition" for select titles that you can buy for 150 dollars at the end of the game's lifecycle (all fixes, updates and DLC delivered) that has the disc or set of discs that actually have the full game on it.
Though not sure if they'd give it out for such an "affordable" price.
...and the saddest thing is, I'd probably even have to take the bait with all my favorite games just so I can rely that I have the actual full thing ready to play whenever.
HORIZON FORBIDDEN WEST COMPLETE EDITION "
REPRINTED DISC VERSION "
ALL UPDATES, PATCHES, EXSTRA CONTENT AND DLC BURNING SHORES INCLUDED ON THE DISC WITHOUT HAVING TO CONNECT ONLINE.
Playstation 5 OFFLINE PLUG AND PLAY "
SUPPORT THIS '
You can’t return a physical copy of a game anywhere if it’s opened. What are you talking about?
In my opinion the return policies make complete sense to me on digital marketplaces.
Tbh, Steam's refund policy never bothered me much. I've bought, tried, and refunded many games and they always do as long as it's within their criteria.
I do wish you had more than 2 weeks but I can understand how they don't want people taking advantage and finishing a game and then refunding or refunding a long time down the line so they force a deadline.
Because as opposed to a brick and mortar store, it takes no effort to return something digitally. That's the whole system around rebates for instance, you can rely more on the money the more inconvenient it is for the consumer to get it back.
Playstation's is terrible bc you can't even test the game. A game doesn't have to be "broken" to still be terrible or have had false advertising.
Not letting you even test the product is pretty scummy.
To be honest. This has been a shift across all media. We stream music, movies, and tv now, Video Games were one of the only industries left that had such a significant physical release still happening. I personally think Games are more valuable than a movie or a music album so I'd like to physically be able to purchase a game and have it in my collection.
Another important point is the fact that physical copies mean the game can live on, even after the digital store closes.
I'm a big advocate of physical media video games movies TV shows and Music I don't buy digital unless I own a physical version
Some companies are even changing physical return policies to go againts the customer. I recently purcheased a game for the switch that i did not realize only worked in the regular version and would not work in my switch light. I was about to take ot out of the plastic but after reading the back i realized and decided not to open. When i brought it back the next day they wouldnt take it back saying i "could have done anything with it." I didnt even argue i sold ot on the market place and took a 10 dollar loss. But at least i was able to get something back.
I think the reason behind physical discs not being made anymore is because it makes less money and the fact that the new PC Cases remove the part that is used for Disc Writers.
However physical would never completely die off for 3 reasons if you get banned on console you can still play the game if you own a physical copy of the game. Families are still more likely to buy a kid a physical copy of the game.
Lastly physical goes on sales quicker and can be cheaper than the sales online
@@theoutsiderjess1869Physical media ain't perfect though.
Limited copies if it's not a big game, discs can get scrashed/broke, or just don't work with time. Retro gaming is another world entirely with scalpers and all. Not enough space in some cases, big games are taking +100GB for the most part.
And besides, corporations are the pne that can tell you if you want to play a physical game. The disc of the game you insert can be tied to an update and may not work with time. That never happenned in the PS2/Xbox era.
Yeah physical isn't perfect, but the PSP, Wii, Wii U, 3DS and soon the Xbox 360 and PS3 stores will die before even my Dreamcast and SEGA CD collections.
Optical media is a problem, but physical isn't. Also good to remember physical servers with physical drives are the only thing keeping digital games in existence, with the only difference being that physical can be bought infinitely while digital goes when the licenses or servers go down.
@@moister3727I've had physical discs for 5 maybe 6 years and plan to have them work for much longer its not that hard to not damage your discs.
>dark side old videos: fighting against real problems like microtransactions
>dark side new videos: uhh digital media bad because uhhh you don't own a disk!!1!!1!!
companies have probably realised that a majority of their community is children that can't go to a store to buy their game as they are not of age so they have to go to an online store and purchase the game there.
The average gamer is 25 to 40
In my country I don't even know where I can find physical copies... It's sad, but digital versions are becoming more and more popular. I miss the old days when I had a collection of physical ps2 games...
I don't see the difference between this and buying stuff in game. In fact the latter is much worse.
We need the EU to step into this
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Honestly think it should be illegal for a company to shut down the servers and to track your playtime for anything more than a combat record or something.
I was going to say the same
The US never does anything cause it’s got it hands deep in the lobbyers’ pockets, but the EU does often does fix and protect consumers from greedy companies, and if the EU passes laws fixing these issues, these companies might just use the same standards also in the US as it ends up being cheaper, or Americans will look at the EU, see it fixed the problem, and put pressure on politicians to the same…
The rest of the world… well, if the EU & US do something, they tend to follow, or it ends up being uneconomical to use 2 different standards so the companies just apply the EU & US standards to the rest of the world
When I got a PS4, I moved away from physical copies and bought the digital copies. But now I have hundreds of digital only games on my store that I can never sell. And I'm very afraid with the new terms of service, I'll get banned for anything. Who knows, they could ban me for a message I sent years ago that's now deemed offensive and I would lost 1000's of dollars worth of games plus 8000+ trophies. I've now gone back to physical, I do have hundreds of ps3 games and a couple dozen ps4, and a few ps5. I'm more likely to buy physical now and in most cases... it's actually cheaper.
Even new, Dead Island 2 is 90 dollars Canadian physical but 94.50 on the digital store.
It's also really odd that buying physical is cheaper than digital. I bought my PS5 as the disc version exclusively because I knew that I will end up saving money when not being restricted to only buying from the Playstation Store, but instead can find physical deals cheaper because it opens up so many different options where to buy from, all of them having their sales and campaigns separately.
I've eaaasily already made back the difference for having paid more for the disc version than the digital only PS5 by even finding brand new PS5 games that sell with 59 euros on release day in physical stores, instead of buying them with 69 or 79 euros on PSN store.
Sad if we lose that competitiveness in price and digital console marketplaces will have a monopoly to those prices.
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I never buy digital. Digital game prices in my country are €80. Physical game price is €60
Digital might be something, but physical will always be superior.
The easy fix is to make Physical slightly cheaper due to having to drive to get to the store and back and make digital more expensive.
I feel like thats how it should've been since the start.
“Digital games are ruining you!” *shills freemium digital only game*
Yeah that's the irony😂😂.
Yo, the Disc Case but no Disc killed me!🤣
It would be funny if it were not real, but it is, and I'm not laughing.
If I remember correctly AC Valhalla on the Xbox Physical Copy contained almost no content the only thing was on the Disc was a license to download the game which sucks.
That is almost every Xbox game.
Simple, buy a game, patch a crack on it, save it in an USB stick, keep it forever
personality I never liked digital games almost every game I own is physical and if a game is digital only than I don't buy it.
I have avoided digital as much as physically possible for the last 3 years. I was burned due to licensing issues with game I got. I had a game based on an anime I liked, the game wasn't anything special, but I enjoyed it for what it was. I wanted to install it on my PS5 and the licensing had expired with the company, I submitted a report to Sony and they came back with "Yeah, the License has expired" Then locked the game from working on my PS4 Pro (it was working fine up until then) and gave me a refund...
I then went on to buy the Japanese Physical copy (Which I'm learning Japanese anyway so that's fine) and now they can't stop me from playing it. The Day all digital consoles exist is the day I find a new hobby.
Thank god you didn’t buy the North American version because the price is stupidly high for a discontinued game
I wish renting games digitally was a thing. I'd rent a single player game for a weekend and beat it and never play it ever again. I used to be able to do this with physical games in the old days but rentals arent a thing anymore.
Get the game pass🙄
@@yGmACIE everything isn't on game pass 🙄
I have a lot of respect for insomniac they are like one of the only game developer companies that have a good work culture still. I think maybe Spider-Man 2s success could have companies reconsider crunch culture, but also reconsider selling physical copies.
Gotta thank the pirates for saving lots of games that were removed from digital stores, and allowing an option to patch out the online drm from legit copies.
I am very selective about the games nowadays, I don't jump on pre-orders and I lower my expectations and only buy a game if I feel it's worth it 100%...mostly on discs for console but on PC I have no choice.
The thing is that physical discs can sometimes be tremendously more expensive than the digital game, especially in the official stores.. That's pretty sad, because I used to by discs back in the PS2 & PS3 period.
I was also buying discs for my PS4, but, gradually, I began to rely on the digital store
It's the other way around in the UK. Physical discs are cheaper than digital downloads
@@jjnet123 Nice. here in Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, discs are way more expensive than digital games, especially new games, I don't know if the causes are taxes or something else, this makes me prone to always purchase digitally. Besides, I can access some online markets that sell PSN for other regions with various prices, some of which are impressively low. in comparison to the discs here.
Digital games are only worth it if they're cheaper than the physical copies. Why THE F*CK would anyone ever pay $60-70 to download some digital data online that you can get for free as soon as Empress or Fitgirl cracks them?
@@jjnet123 Same with the US, after a year a physical copy in a store would be down to half price while it would still be full price on the digital store. PC is kinda the exception with Steam sales, but even there, some companies like Activision are still trying to charge full price for decade old games when not on sale.
They give the collectors what matters most, the case to put on their shelves and brag to the few friends they have about their collection
I tried to buy Insomniacs Spiderman 2 Collectors Edition but I had trouble trying to get into their website store. I went to buy it on Amazon but I couldn't find it, I tried to buy the Deluxe Edition and I couldn't find it so in the end I ended up pre-ordering the standard. I was bummed but at least I had a copy. Now that I know about the Collectors having no disc and Deluxe Edition not having a physical copy I am so glad I went with the base game. I saved myself from theft and I saved hundreds of pounds. Even Insomniac cant escape the clutches of corporate greed.
This is all common knowledge since the digital games era of ps3 and xbox 360. We always knew buy games physical, if its only digital, then have an account just for the purchase of digital games, and use your multiplayer account on the same console so your purchasing account does not suffer if your playing account gets banned. And store backups of digital games on extended HDDs. This alone solves most of the concerns in this video. Yeah digital still sucks, but emulators also exist for older titles that disappear. There's always an answer to all these issues.
People need to do some actual damn research
We have NEVER owned games, back when CDs first became common place a ruling was heald that deemed buyung a CD didnt mean you owned the song, you owned the CD containing the song, the song itself was still property of the music label, thia meant you couldnt use the song in your own music, or rip it and burn it
This also got applied to video games
Why is this important
Well this means that owning a game physically is no more or leas ownership, you hold no legal right over the data on the disc, its the comapny who owns that datas right to say what you can and can not do with a physical game you own, sure you can do whatever you want to the disc itself, but you can not touch the data on it
This means things like game modding and playing backed up copies are NOT legally protected
That doesnt sound like ownership to me
And IMO if we never owned games in the first place, IDC about owning them even less
Until the end of physical games i am going to buy them I am still on 99,9% physical game purchases.
War thunder, a download only game ad on a video about how bad is digital games, this is Hypocrisy btw
I'll be buying disks for as long as I possibly can.
It’s honestly really sad it’s just getting worse and worse you can’t even have privacy no more I grew up with playing with discs like a lot of other people and I get it that the world is changing but hey, we should at least have some privacy
Alan Wake 2 has seriously dropped the ball not releasing a physical version
If we lose discs and physical media then I’m never buying game consoles ever again
Great video.
As a game collector, I'm definitely not happy about any of this. I will always prefer physical copies.
I have a new motto: "Reject Modernity, Embrace Tradition"
That is why, i no longer care modern triple AAA game any more
This is why I keep my Xbox 360 and my physical copies to that console. I can play completely offline, and Xbox can't take my games.
Also, when I do buy digital copies, I wait until it has a huge discount. Obviously, if Sony or Playstation or even Steam just take games away, they would lose millions of customers and lose their trust.
Especially when Sony and Microsoft are updating system software with a virus malware bug stopping some physical games from working intentionally forcing users to buy digital games
Considering how much Valve cares about their end users, I'm actually surprised they don't do something about it themselves.
As someone who always buys physical, i dont plan to ever go digital only anytime soon. Will always love physically owning my game rather than basically renting it on server's.
Considering how forgettable, generic and frankly boring most of the AAA games have been for a few years by now, I often ask myself the question if buying physical media for newer games is even worth the effort, even if the games were to still function for years later.
I don't know, it's been a long time since I played a game that could make me stop and think: I'm going to be playing this game for many, many years in the future just i did for Driver 2, GTA San Andreas, Gran Turismo 4, etc...Last time I thought this was back in 2019 when I played RDR2 for the first time, and somehow I just don't play it anymore, it doesn't entices me enough to keep my interest.
Maybe I'm just getting old and growing bitter of gaming as a whole, but I just don't see the point in wanting to keep something for me that was meant to be discardable.
The way I see it, digital copies aren't the problem. The problem is everything thats said in this video. Take all that away, theres no problem. I would still prefer buying physical copies tho.
Accounts shouldn't be able to get banned they should only lose access to multiplayer, messaging, and chat features but the account should still be allowed to buy and download games, DLC, and patches
Funny how they stopped making good games around the same time they went digital.
The point about time limits for digital purchase refunds really stands out to me as it reminds me of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020. The digital version is massive, but you're only required to download a few hundred MB to start the game. The remainder of the game's download (again, massive), is done through an in-game menu, so the time spent playing increases while you're initially downloading the game. The average person will pass, or come close to passing, the time limited before it's even playable
My main problem with digital games are their prices should be cheaper than physical one. But look what we got today... 70$ for only digital data?!
And they wonder why Piracy is as popular as ever.
The pirates are about to enter their digital version of the prohibition era.
It's kinda depressing because even if we ever try to do something about it we're never gonna actually get what we want.
honestly i would love to buy physical games again but then a steam sale comes around and the reminder that my pc doesnt have a disk drive and that alot of companies sell codes in a box and it all crumbles piece by piece
On pc it's entirely different because you have DRM free options like GOG.
The disc isn't included in the Spiderman 2 or Horizon: Forbidden West super deluxe edition cause not everyone has a disk ps5. There should still be the option to chose between them tho/
On the issue of refunds, I pre-ordered GT7 (digital) being a life-long fan of the series. Seeing the dissatisfied reviews upon its release, I requested a refund from Sony figuring I’d wait until it was on sale to pick it back up. Sony initially declined a refund stating I’d downloaded and played the game already. I had absolutely done NEITHER!! They eventually caved but made it apparent they were doing me some sort of favor returning my money since I’d never requested a refund before. I have not since and will never again pre-order a digital console game after that stunt they tried to pull! It also left such a bad impression I still haven’t repurchased GT7, even on sale for over half off.
The timing of all this stuff going down with the gaming industry right now makes me feel like it's an even better and smarter move now to mod my PS2 loaded up with a library 7-year-old me would've felt like the coolest kid on the block for having