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Hey if you need any small youtubers who is an automotive engineer and starting the first of 2 planned 3d printing companies, let me know and I'll take a beta tester as well 🤞
hi, for interest sake, how much to ship a system to South Africa? i may have backers. i do S.T.E.A.M. workshops for high schoolers. and being able to print strong parts designed by them would be awesome. And no, I would not be printing other people's design's without permission. We design our own stuff.
If its everything like advertised, Micronics will disrupt the AM market. Crossed fingers that micronics won't be swallowed by bigger company and close it existence like it happened with WeMatter or Sintratec recently...
Not really , sls powder is expensive e.g sinterit PA12 is 300 USD for 2 kg. Micronics doesn't mention the powder cost in any of their videos so I am assuming it's expensive.
@@mecheng84 Yeah I'd rather stick to buying an expensive 3d printer and using $25 filament that will produce 10's of products, than spend $300 to produce just a few products. I'm actually glad someone brought this up because this now turns it from your average "desktop" sls printer, to, "you still need a second job if you want to print often" sls printer.
It wont, and most printer kickstarter printers are a overall fail. Thing is PBF printers (both inkjet style and SLS) have been around for a decades on the corporate level. They are a absolute nightmare to work with because of the clean up and post processing and this one will be no different in that department.
The fact that he totally looks like an unprofessional advertiser, but more like a engineering nerd, makes him way more trustworthy and relatable to me.
I havent been this excited for a 3D printer launch in a long time. Here's hoping the device lives up to the hype, I would love to see this succeed and drive ongoing innovation into home SLS!
Same here. It felt like the guy was talking directly to me and all my woes of dealing with resin printers to try to do printed part prototyping. I have a project that I had put on a shelf because I got sick of trying to navigate all the problems it has with resin.
Some people are saying it costs $100s of dollars for the powder... and $3000 for a 3d printer is just too expensive for 99.9% of people. Some people are looking into printing with the plastic pellets instead of filament, because the pellets are about 1/4 the cost.
@@deucedeuce1572 I agree that the cost of the device and SLS powder, typically expensive exingeering materials like Nylon-12, is high. However, SLS technology has long been completely out of reach for anyone except the ultra wealthy or manufacturing companies, with machines costing over $10K USD, not including secondary requirements like 240V power and post-processing setups. Remember, FDM printing was once costly and required significant technical expertise. Today, decent FDM printers are available for $500 USD or less, with minimal setup. An Ender 3 V3 SE, for example, can often be found on sale for under $200 USD and is suitable for beginners. This affordability came through economies of scale and competition. Similarly, SLS printing will become accessible for home use if a hobbyist-friendly machine succeeds, spurring further innovation and competition. Is this new printer for everyone? No. It's a cutting-edge, hobbyist/small print farm device likely to have many issues. Widespread use will identify these issues, leading to improved second-generation models, and hopefully inspiring competitors to make their own devices, driving costs for consumers down. In 5-10 years, we might see SLS printers for home use costing $500 USD with much more affordable materials as manufacturers are forced to scale up production to meet demand. I see this device as a potential first step towards that future 😁
Technically, they could still call it AI if they wanted, even if it didn't actually use any machine learning approaches. "AI" in appliances is just a buzzword used by marketers to refer to some form of unconventional automation and does not refer to any specific technology.
If you read the next sentence in the McMaster paragraph it actually says you're allowed to print them in order to determine if you want to buy them from McMaster. So you SHOULD print anything you order from them first, just to make sure it's the correct fit.
This is an impressively honest Kickstarter pitch! Few would be so brave to show the limitations and drawbacks of their product while advertising it but that's incredibly refreshing
You should wear a mask and gloves and have an air filter while using this. Nano particles small enough to pass through the phospholipid membrane of cell walls by say inhalation, are carcinogenic, that is a scientific fact, as was found with nano particles produced from internal combustion engines in cars. I hope that the correct research into safety of these materials for domestic use has been done. Please do not take my comment as a criticism, I am supportive of your project and machine, and if the price is right I would order one.
I love that this tech is getting closer to being truly available to the consumer market, though the price is still a bit high for the casual hobbyist. Best of luck.
@@robertdiehl4384 3 grand, not at all bad for those running print farms or have friends willing chip in for one. If I got 3 grand to drop on this I'd get a freeze dryer instead but yeah amazing price, wonder how much early bird pricing will drop it down by.
Yesss!! I've been waiting for this video, your first video had me itching to get one of these. Your design is really creative and it's clear you guys have the quality of the machine front and center.
Dude once the cost gets cheaper than resin printing, say $40 per Kg of a good powder like Nylon 12, we’re all in. You’ve done such great work so far so I’ll believe you if you say you’ll get it done.
@@NigelTolley No, it won't until enter and running prices get close to resin, not to mention it gets rid of that horrific porus finish. it looks good for profesional mechanical parts but not for wide consumer market... yet
@@grim3897 As someone who uses resin to achieve fine detail on decorative prints, that detail and part finish are the most important things. I'll gladly switch to a sufficiently competitive technology if it means I can do away with the hazardous material/waste management and mess inherent to resin printing and processing.
It's exciting to see the tech progress and the cost come down. I love my resin printer but no supports is a game changer. They need to somehow get the resolution down to a super fine level before it'll replace resin printing. He said it's great for minis and stuff, but ignores the obvious granular texture.
You know why the powder is so expensive? The nylon they use to make it is cheap... very cheap. (Like even glass filled nylon is only a couple bucks a kg if you buy the pellets.
PLEASE get in contact with Headmade Materials/ Cold Metal Fusion. It would be SO awesome to be able to print metal green parts on this inexpensive machine.
for your auger problem: something that you could try in a different prototype is a grain elevator for the powder, where the auger remains stationary and the tube is what moves good luck at open sauce, this looks great
@@LoganDark4357 If you can afford a $3000+ printer... then the powder probably isn't that expensive. I have trouble seeing how it could be used for commercial purposes though. I'm not sure if anyone's willing to pay for parts that cost that much. A normally $50 part may now cost $70 in nylon alone before all the other costs are factored in.
Ok, now for a brief list of reasons _not_ to switch to powder printing (particularly if you're not planning on using this thing industrially): 1) Hazards! Very fine dust is _very bad,_ regardless of how non-toxic it may be. You're going to need an N95 mask or a very good fume hood at minimum every time you work with the powder. A proper respirator is probably your best bet. 2) Price! This thing is *triple* the price of a Bambu X1 Carbon, and the per kilogram cost for equivalent materials is roughly double compared to the X1C. SLS is powerful technology, but, at least in the home, consumer market, the benefits rarely outweigh the literal cost. 3) Workflow! SLS requires much more complex workflow. Removing and safely handling the powder (see above) requires other tools in addition to the printer itself. Formlabs, the leader in this technology, sells their SLS machines as a three piece set: the printer, a fume hood/powder recovery device for coarse powder removal, and then a media blasting cabinet for fine powder removal. If you want the beautiful results shown here, you'll need a media blasting cabinet in order to get the powder off. Basically, what I'm saying here is that if you're the average at-home 3D printing enthusiast who uses their printer to print fun plastic tchotchkes, you have no need for this device. It's more expensive, more complex, and a bigger health hazard than you want. Just get an FDM machine and have fun printing PLA. This device is really well suited for engineering and manufacturing applications - where cost is a secondary concern to extremely high performance and/or throughput.
God I WISH I had 3 grands to drop on it. It's a steal at that price, but not only do I not have the need for it, I don't have the space to operate it either. But OMG I want one so bad.
I really wish I had the money for this, because I do have a need for this. And can move stuff in my workshop to set this up. it will replace so many tools.
Really exciting stuff! I'll probably be sticking to FDM for the time being for various reasons, but I'm excited to see what this thing can do once it's out in the wild
I don't have the money for SLS (yet), but I'll definitely follow this interesting development! So far I've done resin printing and it's kinda annoying tbh, so something like this sounds really good
Dangit Micronics, I hate you guys because of how much you're tempting me. Not only do you bring SLS printing to the hobby space for a very affordable price, you just had to go ahead and add some impressive features to improve reliability and safety. I want one of these so bad but I literally have nowhere in my home (or outside of my home) to run it. If I had more space, I'd be jumping in on the Kickstarter the second it goes live...
@@DDryTaste true, but unlike FDM and resin, no supports needed and the excess gets reused. so much less waste. And offering quality parts to your clients will make them more likely to pay more.
@@DDryTaste Yeah, that's definitely true, however this isn't unique to this printer, so we can't blame Micronics for that. It's also likely that we might see lower prices as more consumer SLS printers hit the market. This also might be a way to manage FDM printing waste: Collect like plastics (e.g. PLA) in bulk, shred them and pulverize them in a ball mill after. While it won't be as high quality as specially made SLS media, it certainly will work and offer a broader range of recycling options and potentially lower consumer costs.
@@MrGerhardGrobler Yeah I'm sorry but it is more then 10x the price per kg and I am pretty sure you won't even use 2x the filament to support a fdm printed part. It would get a lot more enticing if they manage to get down the price of the powder.
Oh my God this is so exciting, I can’t afford a $3000 3-D printer but the fact that SLS printing is getting this affordable is so exciting. I’m looking forward to $1000 or $1500 machine.
I wish I could get my hands on one of these. I 3D print parts for toys I sell. This gives a much more kid friendly product. can be washed, bounce resistant. And as a supporter for 3D designers, printing articulated models will be awesome. I can already see so many applications for this.
Having worked a very large compagnie's makerspace, and visited quite a few in Europe I would say the only issue fabmanagers will have with this machine is the ATEX safety from powder particles
I really like the perks associated with SLS but that finish dosn't look super great for miniatures. A ton of grain compared to resin SLA, is this a resolution issue or a powder issue?
This is looking so goood! If this come this good at this price point it is an industry game change. Congrats to the whole team and thank you, even if does not come out this perfect the impact has been already made in my opinion. It would be great though if you could mention the people involved in the project and their background experience to give backers more confidence. Edit: I saw your channel has others video so I´ll check it out, i guess there is plenty of information already.
I really do love what they're doing, but wow, this thing misses the mark by miles. Do not do this at home, it is not safe. The 3D printing service still a priority.
Not forgetting the cleaning station. And protective clothing that must be worn when cleaning. Handling such powder is not without its risks. I used to work in a dye factory and know my way around powder dust. You need good filters and extraction systems.
This SLS could become a realy game changer! How will you arrange shipping to EU/Germany and do i need to pay additional customs when backing? Will you have official reseller in EU later on for getting spare parts and accesories?
if you are going to drill threw a 3d print why have the drill going so fast that is a guaranteed disaster waiting to happen also who uses a drill to make holes in 3d prints just heat up the bit and push it threw the hole that way it enlarges the hole and melts the plastic in the hole to make a new skin for the hole also when are you going to launch a desk top MLS that's what im really waiting for full mettle 3d prints
Absolutely amazing piece of machinery. I'm looking into these machines for the producton of molecular biology lab equipment, and I'm really interested in the possibility of creating fully autoclavable parts. I have, however, not come across any information on whether this printer is able to print such plastics such as polypropylene. Is this something that would be possible? Please take note, I have very limited experience with 3d printing in general, and any information would help alot!!
As someone who owns a good SLS system, don’t believe the hype here. It’s useful for many tasks but I use FDM far more. If someone sounds like a sales person they are a sales person. We don’t like sales people
This video is hilarious and very informative. Y'all are killin' it. I really hope this thing lives up to the hype. If I had lots of spare money, I'd be in.
From a nerd side of 3dprinting, I think it will be interesting for larger minis and statues, maybe some cosplay stuff. I think for standard player size models it will not be as good as a resin printer. at least from the print i had done. so keep that in mind. Still very cool wish you all the best.
Some critics to the Video, wished to see more of "how" it works and less talking, Humans need things to see, u can overtalk them and get them to buy one, but Results, and Pictures will allways talk more then someone standing there and talking for straight 7+ Minutes, and here some Joking critics :) Get a Mustache, glasses, a belly and a deeper voice! Wish to see that on some 1 April Reels or Videos! Best Wishes :)
I don't understand for who this printer is designed for... like hobbyist like me? No, as i print jewellery and miniatures and quality of this machine is not even close to resin printer, let alone powder dust and price for it, resin is 30 per kilo and resin printers are from 200 till 500. Then maybe for more advanced users, more businesses? Probably no as printing size is way too small. Is amazing equipment and fabulous work have been done on machine but so far can't see broad customer's audience for it. Will keep looking for success of this machine, everything great always starts from small.
Definitely interested in version 2 of this tech, the detail definition just isn’t quite there yet but looks really promising. I wonder if finer powder grain would help
You need to wear blue or some shit, and stop raising your eyebrow. This reminds me of a kid giving his 6th grade science fair project. sick video tho bro
Cool and all but they arnt minatures, going dor a legit 32mm minature you wont have near as much detail You can see in the nails on the thing you printed lost detail
I was already in love with this project from the first video, but seeing you take pride in the handwritten control logic and not shoving AI slop in the firmware somehow is the cherry on top and how I know this machine will be freaking awesome.
Love how the FDM and SLA examples at the start obviously had intentionally bad slicer settings. Having dealt with powder bed systems in corporate for decades, i will have to say no thanks. Powder recovery and soaking treatments are a overall nightmare.
1:40 I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but that's unoptimized FDM levels of quality, there's no way this could possibly contend with resin when you lose surface detail on this level, it is not miniture printing ready and i doubt it'll ever contend with resin if it will always require sanding to get rid of the bumpy surface
_I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER,, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER..._ seriously though, I was looking causally at some other resin printer videos because I stopped paying attention to the market for a while, then yall pop on my feed, now I'm not so causally looking into SLS
Honestly is great to see you guys coming in with this stuff, even if I personally probably don't have as much use for sintered plastics as I would metals, which is a whole different ballpark, still great tech though. As someone who does make a lot of thin walled parts I can at least appreciate why this would be great for precision mechanical parts, if not ideal for aestetics with the very porous looking surface finish right off the printer. As some general video making advice to help you guys out, I will just point out that you're pressed into a corner with solid walls, no sound dampening and you're shouting with overemphasis on every other word (Normal for anyone unused to relaxing when actively on camera and reading a script, no disrespect to you at all mate). My advice is take a deep breath and relax your chest and throat when talking, trying not to focus too hard on the individual words, just the message to get across so you speak your own words more naturally. Relaxing should also help prevent excessive volume as well, because your microphone is literally right on your chest so no need to project your voice to the camera, and beyond that try and print or buy some high frequency sound dampening material for the walls behind you, that'll go a long way towards improving the audio.
Can you add how it is better than resin printing? It appears resin printers achieve as good or better resolution at 1/10th the cost of this machine. This video only compares to FDM and injection molding. Not saying I'm not interested, but are the advantages worth 10 resin printers?
my question would be: when do you think it will be possible for a system like this, maybe smaller, to be around ~1000€? as someone who would love to play with something like this, I wouldn't be using it enough to justify the purchase at the current price point
Dude, don’t be scared-get a part-time job and save up the money to get the printer & supplies! Then be the first on your block to dominate your community’s market for specialty parts & artsy items. This technology thrives on printing mass quantities of small items at once!
How does the material cost compare to traditional FDM printed parts for example a PA-CF benchy printed at 100% would take about 16.9g of filament an cost about $1.35 in material. How much would that same benchy cost made out of the nylon 12 powder you have on your website?
The one big downside of powder-based printing is that it's INCREDIBLY wasteful. It doesn't matter whether you printed a liter or a ml, the powder that was in the printer at the time can only be used for 2-3 prints, before it all has to be thrown out. I predict there will be DIY pulverizers being developed if powder-based hobby printing becomes commonplace. Also worth noting, the 50Mpa durability rating is roughly the same as high-end resins.
They're selling Carbon Fiber reinforced Nylon 12 powder for $250 for 5 liters. That's about double the per kilogram cost for an equivalent FDM material.
Cool product and idea but I'll stick with my 3d printer instead of paying $3000. I understand thats on the cheap end but that isn't cheap for the average person.
Very impressive! Interested to know about any testing youve done with re-cycled powders and what ratios of new to used powder yield usable parts. Im very sure your kickstarter will be a standout success, if i can convince myself to spend the money I would definitely love to grab one!
my dude, you need to learn some things about the world and how business is done today.. plus you can easily find answers for the very question you asked .. u must be a sad soul
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Bra-freaking-vo man. This was the best demo video I’ve ever seen. I was honestly skeptical before but the honesty goes light years with our community.
The second this tech is able to produce results as smooth as resin prints, without that granular texture, I'm making the switch. No supports alone is worth it, not to mention the other crazy benefits.
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this is it, selling my small cnc and getting this😂
Come to ERRF/Printopia!
Hey if you need any small youtubers who is an automotive engineer and starting the first of 2 planned 3d printing companies, let me know and I'll take a beta tester as well 🤞
Do you guys plan to open source any part of your software/hardware stack?
hi, for interest sake, how much to ship a system to South Africa? i may have backers. i do S.T.E.A.M. workshops for high schoolers. and being able to print strong parts designed by them would be awesome. And no, I would not be printing other people's design's without permission. We design our own stuff.
That McMaster segment is like those warnings on grape concentrates during prohibition, warning you what not to do so said grapes don't become wine lol
You wouldn't download a car!
@@Dryesiaslol. I might download a car.
@@ml.2770 I would 100% download a car, was referring to the hilarious anti-piracy campaign back in the 2000s
@@Dryesias I know. I got it.
I love how he said it with no sarcastic tone because he knew the sarcasm lies within the fact that he mentioned this "feature" in the first place.
If its everything like advertised, Micronics will disrupt the AM market. Crossed fingers that micronics won't be swallowed by bigger company and close it existence like it happened with WeMatter or Sintratec recently...
Not really , sls powder is expensive e.g sinterit PA12 is 300 USD for 2 kg.
Micronics doesn't mention the powder cost in any of their videos so I am assuming it's expensive.
They list it on their website, $300 per 5.3 liters
Listed density is .47 so it's about 2.5kg for $300. I don't think it has anything to do with them tho, the powder is just expensive
@@mecheng84 Yeah I'd rather stick to buying an expensive 3d printer and using $25 filament that will produce 10's of products, than spend $300 to produce just a few products. I'm actually glad someone brought this up because this now turns it from your average "desktop" sls printer, to, "you still need a second job if you want to print often" sls printer.
It wont, and most printer kickstarter printers are a overall fail. Thing is PBF printers (both inkjet style and SLS) have been around for a decades on the corporate level. They are a absolute nightmare to work with because of the clean up and post processing and this one will be no different in that department.
The fact that he totally looks like an unprofessional advertiser, but more like a engineering nerd, makes him way more trustworthy and relatable to me.
I think he is
Going for that early days Linus Tech Tips vibe
Womp.
This aged well lol
I havent been this excited for a 3D printer launch in a long time. Here's hoping the device lives up to the hype, I would love to see this succeed and drive ongoing innovation into home SLS!
Same here. It felt like the guy was talking directly to me and all my woes of dealing with resin printers to try to do printed part prototyping. I have a project that I had put on a shelf because I got sick of trying to navigate all the problems it has with resin.
Some people are saying it costs $100s of dollars for the powder... and $3000 for a 3d printer is just too expensive for 99.9% of people. Some people are looking into printing with the plastic pellets instead of filament, because the pellets are about 1/4 the cost.
@@deucedeuce1572 I agree that the cost of the device and SLS powder, typically expensive exingeering materials like Nylon-12, is high. However, SLS technology has long been completely out of reach for anyone except the ultra wealthy or manufacturing companies, with machines costing over $10K USD, not including secondary requirements like 240V power and post-processing setups.
Remember, FDM printing was once costly and required significant technical expertise. Today, decent FDM printers are available for $500 USD or less, with minimal setup. An Ender 3 V3 SE, for example, can often be found on sale for under $200 USD and is suitable for beginners.
This affordability came through economies of scale and competition. Similarly, SLS printing will become accessible for home use if a hobbyist-friendly machine succeeds, spurring further innovation and competition.
Is this new printer for everyone? No. It's a cutting-edge, hobbyist/small print farm device likely to have many issues. Widespread use will identify these issues, leading to improved second-generation models, and hopefully inspiring competitors to make their own devices, driving costs for consumers down.
In 5-10 years, we might see SLS printers for home use costing $500 USD with much more affordable materials as manufacturers are forced to scale up production to meet demand. I see this device as a potential first step towards that future 😁
my man dont back the kickstarter till it releases, too many Kickstarter projects are scams.
None of that AI jazz? How will you survive in 2024 😂😂😂
Seriously though, amazing job
By not telling our customers to eat rock.
Technically, they could still call it AI if they wanted, even if it didn't actually use any machine learning approaches. "AI" in appliances is just a buzzword used by marketers to refer to some form of unconventional automation and does not refer to any specific technology.
2:10 Sneaky inclusion of the printed panel cover. Nice.
If you read the next sentence in the McMaster paragraph it actually says you're allowed to print them in order to determine if you want to buy them from McMaster. So you SHOULD print anything you order from them first, just to make sure it's the correct fit.
That joke went way over your head. Way, way over.
@@imowgrass I understand the sarcasm, but it only makes sense as a joke if they don't explicitly tell you that it's allowed
This is an impressively honest Kickstarter pitch! Few would be so brave to show the limitations and drawbacks of their product while advertising it but that's incredibly refreshing
But they are still trying to hide reviewer issues. Watch Strange Parts review video... not the most honest company.
You should wear a mask and gloves and have an air filter while using this. Nano particles small enough to pass through the phospholipid membrane of cell walls by say inhalation, are carcinogenic, that is a scientific fact, as was found with nano particles produced from internal combustion engines in cars. I hope that the correct research into safety of these materials for domestic use has been done. Please do not take my comment as a criticism, I am supportive of your project and machine, and if the price is right I would order one.
Cool, but this price point is industrial.
I love that this tech is getting closer to being truly available to the consumer market, though the price is still a bit high for the casual hobbyist. Best of luck.
What is the price of it? I never saw it listed
@@robertdiehl4384 $2999 starting price; it's in the description.
@@robertdiehl4384 3 grand, not at all bad for those running print farms or have friends willing chip in for one. If I got 3 grand to drop on this I'd get a freeze dryer instead but yeah amazing price, wonder how much early bird pricing will drop it down by.
@@robertdiehl4384$3,000. Their closest competitor is probably formlabs coming in around $20,000
@@robertdiehl4384 Around 3000$ if the discription can be trusted. A lot cheaper compared to the current market (20000+). Still to much for home use.
Always remember, if they don't tell you the price up front, it's not affordable. I'm sorry, but I don't have 29k right now.
a video editing master class. I almost forgot I was watching an advertisement for your new printer. This thing seems AWESOME!
Yesss!! I've been waiting for this video, your first video had me itching to get one of these.
Your design is really creative and it's clear you guys have the quality of the machine front and center.
Dude once the cost gets cheaper than resin printing, say $40 per Kg of a good powder like Nylon 12, we’re all in. You’ve done such great work so far so I’ll believe you if you say you’ll get it done.
I think it'll blow resin printing out the water, tbh.
@@NigelTolley No, it won't until enter and running prices get close to resin, not to mention it gets rid of that horrific porus finish. it looks good for profesional mechanical parts but not for wide consumer market... yet
@@grim3897 As someone who uses resin to achieve fine detail on decorative prints, that detail and part finish are the most important things.
I'll gladly switch to a sufficiently competitive technology if it means I can do away with the hazardous material/waste management and mess inherent to resin printing and processing.
It's exciting to see the tech progress and the cost come down. I love my resin printer but no supports is a game changer. They need to somehow get the resolution down to a super fine level before it'll replace resin printing. He said it's great for minis and stuff, but ignores the obvious granular texture.
You know why the powder is so expensive? The nylon they use to make it is cheap... very cheap. (Like even glass filled nylon is only a couple bucks a kg if you buy the pellets.
PLEASE get in contact with Headmade Materials/ Cold Metal Fusion. It would be SO awesome to be able to print metal green parts on this inexpensive machine.
for your auger problem:
something that you could try in a different prototype is a grain elevator for the powder, where the auger remains stationary and the tube is what moves
good luck at open sauce, this looks great
this is the reference for the idea: an olds elevator as reviewed by tom scott
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Excellent work on the humor. Wish I had the space for this...hopefully soon
I wish I had the funds for this, I guess once I do I will just have to keep an eye out for it.
The required powder is like $300 for 2.5kg
@@DDryTaste That's if you have the printer
@@LoganDark4357 If you can afford a $3000+ printer... then the powder probably isn't that expensive. I have trouble seeing how it could be used for commercial purposes though. I'm not sure if anyone's willing to pay for parts that cost that much. A normally $50 part may now cost $70 in nylon alone before all the other costs are factored in.
5 reasons not to - expense, dust inhalation, dust everywhere, risk of fire, risk of explosions.
Ok, now for a brief list of reasons _not_ to switch to powder printing (particularly if you're not planning on using this thing industrially):
1) Hazards! Very fine dust is _very bad,_ regardless of how non-toxic it may be. You're going to need an N95 mask or a very good fume hood at minimum every time you work with the powder. A proper respirator is probably your best bet.
2) Price! This thing is *triple* the price of a Bambu X1 Carbon, and the per kilogram cost for equivalent materials is roughly double compared to the X1C. SLS is powerful technology, but, at least in the home, consumer market, the benefits rarely outweigh the literal cost.
3) Workflow! SLS requires much more complex workflow. Removing and safely handling the powder (see above) requires other tools in addition to the printer itself. Formlabs, the leader in this technology, sells their SLS machines as a three piece set: the printer, a fume hood/powder recovery device for coarse powder removal, and then a media blasting cabinet for fine powder removal. If you want the beautiful results shown here, you'll need a media blasting cabinet in order to get the powder off.
Basically, what I'm saying here is that if you're the average at-home 3D printing enthusiast who uses their printer to print fun plastic tchotchkes, you have no need for this device. It's more expensive, more complex, and a bigger health hazard than you want. Just get an FDM machine and have fun printing PLA. This device is really well suited for engineering and manufacturing applications - where cost is a secondary concern to extremely high performance and/or throughput.
God I WISH I had 3 grands to drop on it. It's a steal at that price, but not only do I not have the need for it, I don't have the space to operate it either.
But OMG I want one so bad.
I really wish I had the money for this, because I do have a need for this. And can move stuff in my workshop to set this up. it will replace so many tools.
Really exciting stuff! I'll probably be sticking to FDM for the time being for various reasons, but I'm excited to see what this thing can do once it's out in the wild
I don't have the money for SLS (yet), but I'll definitely follow this interesting development! So far I've done resin printing and it's kinda annoying tbh, so something like this sounds really good
Dangit Micronics, I hate you guys because of how much you're tempting me. Not only do you bring SLS printing to the hobby space for a very affordable price, you just had to go ahead and add some impressive features to improve reliability and safety.
I want one of these so bad but I literally have nowhere in my home (or outside of my home) to run it. If I had more space, I'd be jumping in on the Kickstarter the second it goes live...
Affordable? The required "filament" powder is super expensive.
@@DDryTaste true, but unlike FDM and resin, no supports needed and the excess gets reused. so much less waste. And offering quality parts to your clients will make them more likely to pay more.
@@DDryTaste Yeah, that's definitely true, however this isn't unique to this printer, so we can't blame Micronics for that. It's also likely that we might see lower prices as more consumer SLS printers hit the market.
This also might be a way to manage FDM printing waste:
Collect like plastics (e.g. PLA) in bulk, shred them and pulverize them in a ball mill after. While it won't be as high quality as specially made SLS media, it certainly will work and offer a broader range of recycling options and potentially lower consumer costs.
@@MrGerhardGrobler Yeah I'm sorry but it is more then 10x the price per kg and I am pretty sure you won't even use 2x the filament to support a fdm printed part. It would get a lot more enticing if they manage to get down the price of the powder.
Oh my God this is so exciting, I can’t afford a $3000 3-D printer but the fact that SLS printing is getting this affordable is so exciting. I’m looking forward to $1000 or $1500 machine.
I wish I could get my hands on one of these.
I 3D print parts for toys I sell. This gives a much more kid friendly product. can be washed, bounce resistant.
And as a supporter for 3D designers, printing articulated models will be awesome.
I can already see so many applications for this.
Having worked a very large compagnie's makerspace, and visited quite a few in Europe I would say the only issue fabmanagers will have with this machine is the ATEX safety from powder particles
nice more micro plastic ! i love it
I really like the perks associated with SLS but that finish dosn't look super great for miniatures. A ton of grain compared to resin SLA, is this a resolution issue or a powder issue?
it's entirely possible seeing how atrociously unoptimized that FDM printed dragon came out, he must have printed it on a 0.6 nozzle
Quite a bit of energy for the delivery.. but it doesn't seem like a bad product. Unfortunately, like with resin, SLS is more than just the printer..
I love this, but I'm afraid that the comparison to FDM starts to fall apart once you compare filament cost
Europe included? 😍
Yes of course!
This is looking so goood! If this come this good at this price point it is an industry game change. Congrats to the whole team and thank you, even if does not come out this perfect the impact has been already made in my opinion. It would be great though if you could mention the people involved in the project and their background experience to give backers more confidence.
Edit: I saw your channel has others video so I´ll check it out, i guess there is plenty of information already.
I really do love what they're doing, but wow, this thing misses the mark by miles. Do not do this at home, it is not safe. The 3D printing service still a priority.
Your first UK customer here, just to boost your content!
You actually listened to feedback from the community as well??!!
I'm definitely saving up to buy one of these for concept models!!
Wow, I am excited to try this new technology!
This is magic or mirrors. Don’t make me spend 3K! Tell me it’s not real!
Only $3000 😂. Much less expensive than other sls machines but this isn't going to replace sla or fdm for most people
Not forgetting the cleaning station. And protective clothing that must be worn when cleaning. Handling such powder is not without its risks. I used to work in a dye factory and know my way around powder dust. You need good filters and extraction systems.
This SLS could become a realy game changer! How will you arrange shipping to EU/Germany and do i need to pay additional customs when backing? Will you have official reseller in EU later on for getting spare parts and accesories?
This is exciting! Would love to see more examples of miniatures printed at 35mm scale and below.
if you are going to drill threw a 3d print why have the drill going so fast that is a guaranteed disaster waiting to happen
also who uses a drill to make holes in 3d prints just heat up the bit and push it threw the hole that way it enlarges the hole and melts the plastic in the hole to make a new skin for the hole
also when are you going to launch a desk top MLS that's what im really waiting for full mettle 3d prints
If I had the money I’d be the first to pledge for the kickstarter
I honestly thought he was being sarcastic about the McMaster Carr thing until he highlighted the ToS
Absolutely amazing piece of machinery. I'm looking into these machines for the producton of molecular biology lab equipment, and I'm really interested in the possibility of creating fully autoclavable parts. I have, however, not come across any information on whether this printer is able to print such plastics such as polypropylene. Is this something that would be possible? Please take note, I have very limited experience with 3d printing in general, and any information would help alot!!
I want one but as a hobbyist that’s a bit out of my price range. Here’s hoping success will bring a lower price point in the not too distant future.
I'm mostly curious how good this is at creating smooth, flat surfaces. The finish makes the surface look a bit rough?
Awesome work. This is a game changer. If you were to fill the build box with parts, how long would it take to print them all?
200mm/67mm hours with 0.15mm layer height. And 200mm/15mm hours with 0.1mm. Maybe a bit longer
at 4:01 it says 25hs and 2:30hs for cooldown
Works out to 50s/layer
As someone who owns a good SLS system, don’t believe the hype here. It’s useful for many tasks but I use FDM far more.
If someone sounds like a sales person they are a sales person. We don’t like sales people
I don't think he is claiming that his SLS machine is a replacement for FDM
This video is hilarious and very informative. Y'all are killin' it. I really hope this thing lives up to the hype. If I had lots of spare money, I'd be in.
2:05 SLA engineering resins can easily do 50 MPa and are isotropic as well.
I already spent 2500 on my bambulab x1c kit with upgrades... My wife will kill me if I go for this one now.
Make her some supercool 3D printed jewelry, gold plated (silver if she prefers) and you’ll be golden!
From a nerd side of 3dprinting, I think it will be interesting for larger minis and statues, maybe some cosplay stuff. I think for standard player size models it will not be as good as a resin printer. at least from the print i had done. so keep that in mind.
Still very cool wish you all the best.
Some critics to the Video, wished to see more of "how" it works and less talking, Humans need things to see, u can overtalk them and get them to buy one, but Results, and Pictures will allways talk more then someone standing there and talking for straight 7+ Minutes, and here some Joking critics :) Get a Mustache, glasses, a belly and a deeper voice! Wish to see that on some 1 April Reels or Videos! Best Wishes :)
This thing is going to be over 3k
hold up... what's wrong with printing mcmastercarr parts? as long as you're not using them for commercial use, it should be fine?
I don't understand for who this printer is designed for... like hobbyist like me? No, as i print jewellery and miniatures and quality of this machine is not even close to resin printer, let alone powder dust and price for it, resin is 30 per kilo and resin printers are from 200 till 500.
Then maybe for more advanced users, more businesses? Probably no as printing size is way too small.
Is amazing equipment and fabulous work have been done on machine but so far can't see broad customer's audience for it. Will keep looking for success of this machine, everything great always starts from small.
Definitely interested in version 2 of this tech, the detail definition just isn’t quite there yet but looks really promising. I wonder if finer powder grain would help
Oh yeah, availability - lol.. lowest is $19k or $29k... Good job selling to Formlabs..
You need to wear blue or some shit, and stop raising your eyebrow.
This reminds me of a kid giving his 6th grade science fair project.
sick video tho bro
This is how companies should present their products. Like they used to over 100 years ago when honesty was more important than sensationalism.
Vitalik Buterin sure is aggressive!
Yes, and finally selling a real thing instead of crypto-vaporware!
I'm Really excited about this! I hope you've taken steps to navigate the existing patents in SLS printing.
Cool and all but they arnt minatures, going dor a legit 32mm minature you wont have near as much detail
You can see in the nails on the thing you printed lost detail
I want one so bad
you would have to be an absolute fool to back a printer on Kickstarter, many printers sound brilliant on paper but in reality turn out to suck.
What is the expected life of the laser ? A typical co2 laser in a laser cuter / engraver from epilog have a life of around 5 years
I was already in love with this project from the first video, but seeing you take pride in the handwritten control logic and not shoving AI slop in the firmware somehow is the cherry on top and how I know this machine will be freaking awesome.
The first 3D printers I ever saw were SLS in 2010...!! They were in colour and cost over $1,000,000......
wish there were more interesting material options like translucent powers etc..
Love how the FDM and SLA examples at the start obviously had intentionally bad slicer settings. Having dealt with powder bed systems in corporate for decades, i will have to say no thanks. Powder recovery and soaking treatments are a overall nightmare.
Sure it has more difficulties than fdm and sla, still this method looks next level for some use cases
I laughed the SLA supports.
I never use FDM or SLA after we got SLS printers. We have formlabs printers and their cleaning stations, very simple and automated.
Can this print smooth surfaces? Everything looks grainy.
1:40 I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but that's unoptimized FDM levels of quality, there's no way this could possibly contend with resin when you lose surface detail on this level, it is not miniture printing ready and i doubt it'll ever contend with resin if it will always require sanding to get rid of the bumpy surface
_I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER,, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER, I DONT NEED A $3000 PRINTER..._ seriously though, I was looking causally at some other resin printer videos because I stopped paying attention to the market for a while, then yall pop on my feed, now I'm not so causally looking into SLS
Glad you are interested. Feel free to check out our other videos to see if SLS is the right technology for you 😇😇
One of my concerns would be, how to have a smooth finish surface on SLS parts ?
Should have known the $2999 was too good to be true. I'm sure there will be like 5 early bird units or something equally obscene.
Honestly is great to see you guys coming in with this stuff, even if I personally probably don't have as much use for sintered plastics as I would metals, which is a whole different ballpark, still great tech though. As someone who does make a lot of thin walled parts I can at least appreciate why this would be great for precision mechanical parts, if not ideal for aestetics with the very porous looking surface finish right off the printer.
As some general video making advice to help you guys out, I will just point out that you're pressed into a corner with solid walls, no sound dampening and you're shouting with overemphasis on every other word (Normal for anyone unused to relaxing when actively on camera and reading a script, no disrespect to you at all mate). My advice is take a deep breath and relax your chest and throat when talking, trying not to focus too hard on the individual words, just the message to get across so you speak your own words more naturally. Relaxing should also help prevent excessive volume as well, because your microphone is literally right on your chest so no need to project your voice to the camera, and beyond that try and print or buy some high frequency sound dampening material for the walls behind you, that'll go a long way towards improving the audio.
Can you add how it is better than resin printing? It appears resin printers achieve as good or better resolution at 1/10th the cost of this machine. This video only compares to FDM and injection molding. Not saying I'm not interested, but are the advantages worth 10 resin printers?
my question would be:
when do you think it will be possible for a system like this, maybe smaller, to be around ~1000€?
as someone who would love to play with something like this, I wouldn't be using it enough to justify the purchase at the current price point
Dude, don’t be scared-get a part-time job and save up the money to get the printer & supplies! Then be the first on your block to dominate your community’s market for specialty parts & artsy items. This technology thrives on printing mass quantities of small items at once!
I'm sure it's still cheaper than buying 40k miniatures at retail price, but maaaaaaybe i'll wait for the price to drop a little bit 👀
Yah dude I'd LOVE to have one, problem is 3 grand is WAY more than I can spend on basically anything...
Speed?
How does the material cost compare to traditional FDM printed parts for example a PA-CF benchy printed at 100% would take about 16.9g of filament an cost about $1.35 in material. How much would that same benchy cost made out of the nylon 12 powder you have on your website?
The one big downside of powder-based printing is that it's INCREDIBLY wasteful. It doesn't matter whether you printed a liter or a ml, the powder that was in the printer at the time can only be used for 2-3 prints, before it all has to be thrown out.
I predict there will be DIY pulverizers being developed if powder-based hobby printing becomes commonplace.
Also worth noting, the 50Mpa durability rating is roughly the same as high-end resins.
@ClokworkGremlin I looked around and can't verify your statement on throwing out the powder. Can you tell me where you got this info? Thanks.
From the specifications on the Micronics's website: "Material Refresh Rate 10% Build Volume Filled)"
How thin is thin wall prints? We are in the bottle packaging industry. Can you print at 0.2mm wall thickness?
We recommend a minimum wall thickness of 0.6mm
Where would we get the powder and at what costs compared to FDM?
They're selling Carbon Fiber reinforced Nylon 12 powder for $250 for 5 liters. That's about double the per kilogram cost for an equivalent FDM material.
@@kerbalengineeringsystems7415 Ok. Well i think that price would fall if SLS kicks off and other suppliers start to offer powder.
Cool product and idea but I'll stick with my 3d printer instead of paying $3000. I understand thats on the cheap end but that isn't cheap for the average person.
Enought power for metal prints?
I have to ask, are those miniature prints as grainy as they look? They dont look detailed but look to have a really unpolished surface.
Your transparency about limitations and features is incredibly refreshing. I want one!
When you click a video and find out it is an ad...
Very impressive! Interested to know about any testing youve done with re-cycled powders and what ratios of new to used powder yield usable parts. Im very sure your kickstarter will be a standout success, if i can convince myself to spend the money I would definitely love to grab one!
I don't get why a kickstarter is necessary if the product already exists.
my dude, you need to learn some things about the world and how business is done today.. plus you can easily find answers for the very question you asked .. u must be a sad soul
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Bra-freaking-vo man. This was the best demo video I’ve ever seen. I was honestly skeptical before but the honesty goes light years with our community.
crazy awesome!
Oh hey, Starship launch footage. You a rocket nerd too?
The second this tech is able to produce results as smooth as resin prints, without that granular texture, I'm making the switch. No supports alone is worth it, not to mention the other crazy benefits.
You can get pretty close by shot peening the parts in a regular media blaster using Acrylic blasting media to get a semi-gloss finish.
What kind of powder materials is this machine capable of printing? Would it be possible to upgrade parts to handle more higher temp materials?