Yes. As you said he was the #2 pick had be been chosen 13-20 no problem. But a #2 Overall Draft Pick should matriculate to become more than a rotation guy.
It was a sum of their parts kind of thing. Not that they didn’t have talent, but playing with a bunch of other talented guys and a great coach in Roy Williams also made them look better.
Another thing I always say about super athletes busting is "Athleticism doesn't mean shit if you don't have the IQ to put it together." And that's what happened to Darius Miles and Tyrus Thomas as well.
I never thought williams was a transformative franchise player. I felt he'd be a defensive/role player. His athleticism was insane but to me- he lacked a nba IQ, awareness off the ball, and hunger
No hes just tall ive been to the same gym he was at 100 of times hes trash im not even joking he sucks really bad thats why the guy that made the video had to talk about everyone else but the person he did the video on
Far from a bust…. I seen this guy when he was in high school in the ADIDAS BIGTIME score 36 against the Atlanta Celtics…. Who had a front court Randolph Morris Josh Smith and Dwight Howard Marvin Williams was a player
He’s kinda like what Otto Porter is, top 3 pick expected to be a star but didn’t really live up to it but definitely wasn’t a scrub and could hold his own
Marvin was a solid player but going back to UNC for another year as primary option with Tyler Hansbrough would have better prepared him for the league. That being said, imagine if the Hawks took Chris Paul instead of him.
I’m going to do a commentary on stunned growth if JC doesn’t go to the league, I mean ESPN. His reporting is is consistent, never to high or to low. Having played with many of his people he speak about. More times than not hes spot on.
You know, I always played Marvin Williams as a scorer aside from Joe Johnson while I played NBA Live during the 2000's. I know he has capability to be a star, but never materialized. Yet, I don't think he's a bust since he last long as a stretch 4 in the league than I expected.
He was straight but he was one them players drafted for pure potential it's was a popular thing in the 2000s I remember tyrus Thomas was the same way along with a few others
Atlanta should've drafted Chris Paul he was tailor made for that team.. But it was apparent that either Marvin or Bogut would go#1. Marvin with the Hornets giving them 14ppg would've been solid.
Brother Aaron.. it's the reason why certain franchises, may never win a title, during our lifetimes. Or at least not before we're in senior citizens homes. You passed up on D-Will and CP3, when you already had multiple forwards, that do the same things Marvin did, but at an NBA level. Biggest head scratcher, of alltime gang.
In today's game, Williams could've done pretty well. He could fit in seamlessly as a starting 4, and develop into a multi-position defender. Interesting point about him leaving too early, let him start after May left and have him develop his post moves and ball handling. But at the end of the day, it's always going to be about who the Hawks didn't pick, when they had a huge gaping hole at point guard and Paul and Deron Williams were available. Since the Hawks drafted 4 or 5 forwards in a row, they had no reason to pick him and put him in a logjam. If you want to meme Matt Millen for drafting wide receivers, you can meme Billy Knight for drafting forwards.
The Hawks GM at the time should've been fired after the draft. They were comfortable with 2 washouts at point over 2 future All-Stars and it cost them badly
With him, he happened to be one of those "potential" draft picks that didn't even have much PT in college. I wasn't sure at the time he would even do as well as he did in the NBA. Hell, he performed much better than his Carolina teammates in the league. No bust, but okay career.
3 and D guy. Just like Crowder and a bunch of others. They’re role is vital. I think these drafts picks are always overhyped especially the latest one, Cunningham.
I never thought he was that good him leaving early was a blessing of some sort but 15 years in the league can't be that bad beats working in a warehouse
He's a bust for not living up to his draft position (and being drafted ahead of Chris Paul), and he's not a bust at the same time because he managed to last 15 damn years in the league and still prove that he's a great roleplayer
Atlanta should've drafted based on team needs clearly. They needed a PG. Joe Johnson was a good player but he wasn't a natural point guard. They probably would've been in playoff contention sooner of they took Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
What makes him a bust was the fact he drafted ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams when the Hawks needed a point guard. Had he been drafted between 15 to 30, he would've never faced the massive pressure to produce as an NBA player.
15 year career and you weren't even a starter in college? Success! Not his fault he was overvalued at #2. I thought he had a good career. Not great but good
Is it too early to do one on RJ Barrett? Is he good sure, but RJ was considered with Ja and Zion to be a franchise players you couldn't go wrong in what guy you draft.
Luther Head-Illinois…did well in high school and college,but had a short lived career in the NBA..now playing overseas and got his college degree years later..
Being from Atlanta…. This draft pick and and the Sheldon Williams pick made me almost HATE the Draft. Knowing they needed a Point and AC Law was not gonna cut it💯
He’s one of those rare “is he a bust” type dudes. By that I mean: He played 15 years, a lot of those years as a solid starter/contributor…but also never lived up to his draft status. Regardless of which side you choose, itself almost like you have to pause and think for a minute lol.
Do one on former New Mexico players I used to like: Marlon Palmer, Rueben Douglas &/or Kenny Thomas (Altho he made it 4 a min in L .. Palmer was a great scorer tho n #1 I’d say to do on)
I'm unsure if he was a bust, I think it was unexpected to be chosen at no. 2 overall, was a North Caroline 6th men. I think he could have had an extra 2-3 years of 15+ pts, he did well to change his style and I'm sure he was a good locker room guy, was lucky to hear him speak about basketball and sounded really smart and well educated
I'm sure his Financial Advisor/Planner doesn't think he was a bust. Guy was never a franchise player but he still had a nice long career, nothing to be embarrassed about. I would have thought his stats would have been better but he wasn't a bust, IMO.
Very interesting video indeed dude. Can you do a stunted growth video of the late 1980s to early 1990s Cleveland Cavaliers? In my opinion, they were supposed to be considered a dynasty team.
Marvin Williams was a good role player, but not worthy of being a top 3 ever. His draft stock was overblown in lieu of his college season from UNC, much like JJ Redick a year later. Scouts were comparing him to prime Grant Hill, despite UNC's competition watered down af outside of Florida and his yet his numbers were still being meh. Not sure what those scouts were smoking, but there have been worse though, such as a year later when Adam Morrison was compared to Larry Bird
He played 15 seasons,.....that's enough said......you know how many people and also former players that even didn't make it would have traded their career for his.......just because someone is not an All Star or Super Star in the NBA is not a bust
I think expectations for him were too high. Had he been a 8th to 15th pick we would view him alot differently. I don't consider him a bust simply because he's adapted to the games changing style throughout his years and clearly has proven valuable to teams with such a long career.
@@terryindachat7296 damn…at such a high pick I would’ve thought that a team would draft a player who had the potential to turn a franchise around like Chris Paul smh
Marvin Williams was a solid player who unfortunately played for mediocre teams during the Lebron/Golden State era where only a handful of teams were competitive. Retiring in your late 30's after a 15 years of work, with $110 Million in career earnings and a guaranteed pension of $200,000 a year for life, is the definition of successful. No way he could have lasted that long and been a bust.
He was a bust based on his draft position and the players he was drafted ahead of... however when you really look at it.. he wasn't.. I never thought he was as talented as his selection would've suggested.. 15 years and a double digit career scoring average.. he had a solid career
I love love iso Joe & Melo but u think of those two 1st & not kobe or KD/Melo or tmac or ai ? & those 3 Lbj,Melo, dwade showed this gen moves but they got them from some1 but yes they influenced this past gen.& as u said players looked up to this past gen we’re drafted in the early 00s & same time u say that, it shows harden & kyrie yes they influenced this past gen but they were drafted late 00s .. but salute
I respectfully disagree you can’t tell a guy to go back to school. When he got drafted at 3 and made more money than he would have the following year. Also he spent 15 years in the league. Otherwise I agree on your view just not telling him he should have stayed in school
Solid career, but he was a bust. I feel like I’m most situations, top 3 guys are eventually supposed to be best players on the team eventually. I say most because there are situations like Wiseman with the Warriors where they’re never gonna be that because you have all-time grays in their primes on the team. There’s an alternate universe where the Hawks took Cp3 and let him conduct that team, playing off of Joe’s iso’s, letting Childress and Joe run off screens, PnR with Jsmoove and Harrington, all the while playing all-defensive team-level defense….. it could’ve been beautiful. (Also that next they picked Sheldon Williams[at least he got to marry Candace Parker]. Passing up on Brandon Roy, Rondo, and Kyle Lowry)
I tried to tell people that Roy Williams was alot better coach than people gave him credit for. Not sure, but I don't think UNC had even 1 all star from any of those championship teams.
They drafted him cause they wanted to be a big team and switch everything on defense, all the core players 6”8 and taller, iso Joe at point. But damn CP3 and DWill still on the board at a position you need? All time blunder by the hawks.
Jawad Williams was a solid college player and had 3 more years of experience, but Marvin Williams was supposed to be immensely more talented and yet he still couldn’t win the starting job. I never felt like he had that dog in him.
Most definitely the Hawks would've been much better if they drafted CP3 #2 instead of Marvin Williams. Who knows maybe CP3 could've taken them to at least 1 NBA finals trip. 🤔👀🏀
Would you consider Marvin Williams a Bust? #2 pick, 10ppg, 5rpg career, 15 NBA seasons.
Yes. As you said he was the #2 pick had be been chosen 13-20 no problem. But a #2 Overall Draft Pick should matriculate to become more than a rotation guy.
He was a solid nba professional player and role player …
1-4 draft pick should be a franchise player
Idk he lasted 15 seasons. But as a #2 pick yea he's a bust
I wouldn’t call him a bust as a player. But for his draft position you expect no worse that a number 3 option.
15 seasons in the league rarely ever happens to anyone. I would call that a dream come true hands down.
Right?!?! Maybe he wasn’t a superstar befitting of his draft spot, but he managed to eke out a 15 year career in the league, so it wasn’t all bad.
Seriously making the NBA alone is a BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT IDC how you perform IF YOU MADE IT YOU'RE NOT A BUST
For as high as he was drafted he is a underachiever
@@demonhunter758 underachievers don’t last in the league as long as marvin williams did.
You’re comparing him to players drafted to be role players. He was #2 overall pick expected to be a star. He’s a bust
Most definitely not a bust ..... very good role player
Not a bust at All
That's a bust
@@theetruth8626 lol chill
Family is set possibly for life. I'd be a bust all day long. I would love for people to call me a bust for the rest of my life.
It's kind of crazy that North Carolina's team got a couple of stunted growth guys Sean May Rashad McCants & now Marvin Williams
It was a sum of their parts kind of thing. Not that they didn’t have talent, but playing with a bunch of other talented guys and a great coach in Roy Williams also made them look better.
He was.....solid ....nuthin but a role playa baby!
Funny how many 2nd overall pick end up being a bust worthy but still goes mostly under the radar.
If anything, they were worse than the #1 pick more consistently it seems. Besides KD & Ja, idk anyone else that was super successful at #2
Bruh. Hasheem Thabeet didn't even make past his rookie contract. Lol.
@@KingofAwesome09 Alonzo Mourning 🤔
@@KingofAwesome09 Rick Barry
Bob McAdoo
Lamarcus Aldridge?
I remember texting u about Marvin Williams thanks for this video
Mervin or Marvin? 🤷🏻♂️
@@jayskicksnfits9372 Marvin I misspell it
That breakdown of early 2000's basketball was excellent 👌
Another thing I always say about super athletes busting is "Athleticism doesn't mean shit if you don't have the IQ to put it together." And that's what happened to Darius Miles and Tyrus Thomas as well.
Not really IQ but actual skill. Stromile swift…
Darius was starting to get it. His knee took it away
Man he made 124 million in salary during his career. I wish I could be a bust like that.
I never thought williams was a transformative franchise player. I felt he'd be a defensive/role player. His athleticism was insane but to me- he lacked a nba IQ, awareness off the ball, and hunger
Facts
Yup
Agreed
No hes just tall ive been to the same gym he was at 100 of times hes trash im not even joking he sucks really bad thats why the guy that made the video had to talk about everyone else but the person he did the video on
Far from a bust…. I seen this guy when he was in high school in the ADIDAS BIGTIME score 36 against the Atlanta Celtics…. Who had a front court Randolph Morris Josh Smith and Dwight Howard Marvin Williams was a player
That’s a bust then buddy. If you’re referring to his highschool years instead of his time as pro
@@jeffkeys8703 you right buddy
He’s kinda like what Otto Porter is, top 3 pick expected to be a star but didn’t really live up to it but definitely wasn’t a scrub and could hold his own
Marvin was a solid player but going back to UNC for another year as primary option with Tyler Hansbrough would have better prepared him for the league. That being said, imagine if the Hawks took Chris Paul instead of him.
I’m going to do a commentary on stunned growth if JC doesn’t go to the league, I mean ESPN. His reporting is is consistent, never to high or to low. Having played with many of his people he speak about. More times than not hes spot on.
You know, I always played Marvin Williams as a scorer aside from Joe Johnson while I played NBA Live during the 2000's. I know he has capability to be a star, but never materialized. Yet, I don't think he's a bust since he last long as a stretch 4 in the league than I expected.
I think the only reason he's even mentality the word bust is his draft position. Carved out a solid career, even if it was unspectacular
He was straight but he was one them players drafted for pure potential it's was a popular thing in the 2000s I remember tyrus Thomas was the same way along with a few others
Bulls traded LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus smh
Atlanta should've drafted Chris Paul he was tailor made for that team.. But it was apparent that either Marvin or Bogut would go#1. Marvin with the Hornets giving them 14ppg would've been solid.
I still don't understand why Atlanta didn't draft a PG based on what their teams needed and it wasn't like CP3 and Dwill weren't highly rated
Brother Aaron.. it's the reason why certain franchises, may never win a title, during our lifetimes. Or at least not before we're in senior citizens homes. You passed up on D-Will and CP3, when you already had multiple forwards, that do the same things Marvin did, but at an NBA level. Biggest head scratcher, of alltime gang.
@@araynova no lies told
As an Atlanta native and Hawks fan...I've been wondering the same thing every since that draft 🤦🏾♂️
THE HECK the Hawks didn't select Chris Paul???? I still don't understand 15 years later! LIKE DANG!
In today's game, Williams could've done pretty well. He could fit in seamlessly as a starting 4, and develop into a multi-position defender. Interesting point about him leaving too early, let him start after May left and have him develop his post moves and ball handling.
But at the end of the day, it's always going to be about who the Hawks didn't pick, when they had a huge gaping hole at point guard and Paul and Deron Williams were available. Since the Hawks drafted 4 or 5 forwards in a row, they had no reason to pick him and put him in a logjam. If you want to meme Matt Millen for drafting wide receivers, you can meme Billy Knight for drafting forwards.
The Hawks GM at the time should've been fired after the draft. They were comfortable with 2 washouts at point over 2 future All-Stars and it cost them badly
... he was servicable aka a professional 🏀
JC said "IQ God" Josh Smith 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He, James Harden, Russell Westbrook. iQ gods! 😅
With him, he happened to be one of those "potential" draft picks that didn't even have much PT in college. I wasn't sure at the time he would even do as well as he did in the NBA. Hell, he performed much better than his Carolina teammates in the league. No bust, but okay career.
3 and D guy. Just like Crowder and a bunch of others. They’re role is vital. I think these drafts picks are always overhyped especially the latest one, Cunningham.
I never thought he was that good him leaving early was a blessing of some sort but 15 years in the league can't be that bad beats working in a warehouse
Marvin Williams was named after the great Marvin Gaye that’s actually a new shock for me to know 💯
He's a bust for not living up to his draft position (and being drafted ahead of Chris Paul), and he's not a bust at the same time because he managed to last 15 damn years in the league and still prove that he's a great roleplayer
He was such a beast at Bremerton High School! 💯
Bremerton fam.
Go Knights
I will say they reached taking him at number two as he was still really raw, expectations of the number two pick are extremely high
Dope video Bro!! You should do Danny Granger NEXT 💯💯
There was bit of a moment when star players were just role players that got picked when questionable scouting surfaced.
Atlanta should've drafted based on team needs clearly. They needed a PG. Joe Johnson was a good player but he wasn't a natural point guard. They probably would've been in playoff contention sooner of they took Chris Paul or Deron Williams.
I like how you structure your arguments.
What makes him a bust was the fact he drafted ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams when the Hawks needed a point guard. Had he been drafted between 15 to 30, he would've never faced the massive pressure to produce as an NBA player.
15 year career and you weren't even a starter in college? Success! Not his fault he was overvalued at #2. I thought he had a good career. Not great but good
Great video all was spot on
J.J Hickson the guy who dunked on him in the intro I completely forgot about that guy
Is it too early to do one on RJ Barrett? Is he good sure, but RJ was considered with Ja and Zion to be a franchise players you couldn't go wrong in what guy you draft.
great vid and topic
Jawad Williams was on that team too what happened to him
Luther Head-Illinois…did well in high school and college,but had a short lived career in the NBA..now playing overseas and got his college degree years later..
Do a Stunted Growth on Thon Maker.
He was a very steady average rotation wing player at best .
Been waiting on this one
Love his stint in Charlotte as a fan
Pascal Siakim should be NEXT stunted growth! He regressed tremendously after the pandemic season!
Being from Atlanta…. This draft pick and and the Sheldon Williams pick made me almost HATE the Draft. Knowing they needed a Point and AC Law was not gonna cut it💯
You should do Andre Ingram next! G League dude that went off for the Lakers those few games in 2018
Role player but worked on his games improved his jumpshot eventually became a legit 3pt threat
One of my Favorite former Charlotte Hornet.... #Shout out To the Former ACC Freshman of the year. The Best Conference in the country💯
Oh snap. 5:48. The "College Hoops 2k6" picture.
When he came out of UNC I didnt expect him to ever be a 20 plus ppg player
D Will and Joe ended up in Brooklyn...but damn in Atl when they were young and healthy would've been crazy. Cp3 would've been even more crazy.
As a Hornets fan I don’t think so, Marv was a solid role player.
He’s one of those rare “is he a bust” type dudes. By that I mean: He played 15 years, a lot of those years as a solid starter/contributor…but also never lived up to his draft status. Regardless of which side you choose, itself almost like you have to pause and think for a minute lol.
Every diehard Hawks fan (like me) remembers that draft as one of our worst moments in team history. The fan base was so upset we didn’t get a PG.
Do one on former New Mexico players I used to like: Marlon Palmer, Rueben Douglas &/or Kenny Thomas (Altho he made it 4 a min in L .. Palmer was a great scorer tho n #1 I’d say to do on)
Marvin Williams is the consummate professional player
I'm unsure if he was a bust, I think it was unexpected to be chosen at no. 2 overall, was a North Caroline 6th men. I think he could have had an extra 2-3 years of 15+ pts, he did well to change his style and I'm sure he was a good locker room guy, was lucky to hear him speak about basketball and sounded really smart and well educated
I'm sure his Financial Advisor/Planner doesn't think he was a bust. Guy was never a franchise player but he still had a nice long career, nothing to be embarrassed about. I would have thought his stats would have been better but he wasn't a bust, IMO.
If Marvin was drafted in today’s game, he’d be an all-star level player, consistently
We need one on my boy Santia Gaines that use to play on the Nets sorry if I spelled his name wrong
Very interesting video indeed dude. Can you do a stunted growth video of the late 1980s to early 1990s Cleveland Cavaliers? In my opinion, they were supposed to be considered a dynasty team.
Anybody remember Sean may ?
Marvin Williams was a good role player, but not worthy of being a top 3 ever. His draft stock was overblown in lieu of his college season from UNC, much like JJ Redick a year later. Scouts were comparing him to prime Grant Hill, despite UNC's competition watered down af outside of Florida and his yet his numbers were still being meh. Not sure what those scouts were smoking, but there have been worse though, such as a year later when Adam Morrison was compared to Larry Bird
All facts
The greater Tacoma Seattle Bremerton area got hoopers.
I can’t call him a bust lasted 15 seasons and scored over 10k points in the league #respect 🫡
He played 15 seasons,.....that's enough said......you know how many people and also former players that even didn't make it would have traded their career for his.......just because someone is not an All Star or Super Star in the NBA is not a bust
Please give D-Wade his defensive accolades that MAN BEEN A 🐕 ON D!!!!
I think expectations for him were too high. Had he been a 8th to 15th pick we would view him alot differently. I don't consider him a bust simply because he's adapted to the games changing style throughout his years and clearly has proven valuable to teams with such a long career.
He had the god given keys to be a all star player or higher he just didn’t try to learn how to drive 💯
Put some respect on his name, He was a starter almost all those 15 years. Became a true vet.
I say no to the bust theme…GMs need to do a better job scouting and picking for needs of the team instead of hype 🤷🏾
Were there even any real lofty expectations from Marvin when he got drafted?
not really, they was saying what he could becomein the next 4 years which was supposedly a good 2 way player.
@@terryindachat7296 damn…at such a high pick I would’ve thought that a team would draft a player who had the potential to turn a franchise around like Chris Paul smh
Boy was that guy in the first clip wrong
My hawks should’ve drafted Chris Paul I was mad for years and until we got Rayford Young
Magic Johnson was a great position-less player.
Marvin Williams was a solid player who unfortunately played for mediocre teams during the Lebron/Golden State era where only a handful of teams were competitive. Retiring in your late 30's after a 15 years of work, with $110 Million in career earnings and a guaranteed pension of $200,000 a year for life, is the definition of successful. No way he could have lasted that long and been a bust.
He was a bust based on his draft position and the players he was drafted ahead of... however when you really look at it.. he wasn't.. I never thought he was as talented as his selection would've suggested.. 15 years and a double digit career scoring average.. he had a solid career
I love love iso Joe & Melo but u think of those two 1st & not kobe or KD/Melo or tmac or ai ? & those 3 Lbj,Melo, dwade showed this gen moves but they got them from some1 but yes they influenced this past gen.& as u said players looked up to this past gen we’re drafted in the early 00s & same time u say that, it shows harden & kyrie yes they influenced this past gen but they were drafted late 00s .. but salute
3:10ish- Das JJ Hickson J.C.
Soild Player who didn't live up to his physical potential
@STUNTED GROWTH I UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY UNC AND DUKE PLAYERS.
CP3 and Iso Joe together? 😱
I respectfully disagree you can’t tell a guy to go back to school. When he got drafted at 3 and made more money than he would have the following year. Also he spent 15 years in the league. Otherwise I agree on your view just not telling him he should have stayed in school
Solid career, but he was a bust. I feel like I’m most situations, top 3 guys are eventually supposed to be best players on the team eventually. I say most because there are situations like Wiseman with the Warriors where they’re never gonna be that because you have all-time grays in their primes on the team.
There’s an alternate universe where the Hawks took Cp3 and let him conduct that team, playing off of Joe’s iso’s, letting Childress and Joe run off screens, PnR with Jsmoove and Harrington, all the while playing all-defensive team-level defense….. it could’ve been beautiful.
(Also that next they picked Sheldon Williams[at least he got to marry Candace Parker]. Passing up on Brandon Roy, Rondo, and Kyle Lowry)
I tried to tell people that Roy Williams was alot better coach than people gave him credit for. Not sure, but I don't think UNC had even 1 all star from any of those championship teams.
They drafted him cause they wanted to be a big team and switch everything on defense, all the core players 6”8 and taller, iso Joe at point. But damn CP3 and DWill still on the board at a position you need? All time blunder by the hawks.
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Jawad Williams was a solid college player and had 3 more years of experience, but Marvin Williams was supposed to be immensely more talented and yet he still couldn’t win the starting job. I never felt like he had that dog in him.
Most definitely the Hawks would've been much better if they drafted CP3 #2 instead of Marvin Williams. Who knows maybe CP3 could've taken them to at least 1 NBA finals trip. 🤔👀🏀
chris paul will not be cp3 if hawks draft him because of lack of minutes and touches
Iq God Josh Smith 🤣🤣☠
15 years, 123 million 😂😂😂 Bust where?!?!?!
Have you done danny granger?
Still waiting on that Rex Chapman
Have you done Gerald Henderson?
That was Tyron Lue 😂