Why I Hate Modern Art
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2020
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O’Connor, Francis Valentine. “Jackson Pollock | Biography & Facts.” Encyclopedia Britannica, 7 Aug. 2020, www.britannica.com/biography/Jackson-Pollock.
“The Unveiling of Mark Rothko's No. 16 in Ottawa.” CBC, 2018, www.cbc.ca/archives/the-unveiling-of-mark-rothko-s-no-16-in-ottawa-1.4748480.
Vogel, Carol. “David Geffen Sells Jackson Pollock for $140 Million.” The New York Times, 1 Nov. 2006, www.nytimes.com/2006/11/02/arts/design/02drip.html.
"Art, Education and Training ." Renaissance: An Encyclopedia for Students. . Encyclopedia.com. 16 Oct. 2020 www.encyclopedia.com.
“Patrons and Artists in Late 15th-Century Florence.” National Gallery of Art, www.nga.gov/features/slideshows/patrons-and-artists-in-late-15th-century-florence.html. Accessed 10 Dec. 2020.
Reyburn, Scott. “Picasso Painting of a Lover in a Beret Brings $69.4 Million.” The New York Times, 1 Mar. 2018, www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/arts/design/picasso-painting-sothebys-69-million.html.
Custodio, Mariana. “Why Is (Some) Abstract Art So Expensive.” Mariana Custodio, 8 Oct. 2020, marianacustodio.com/why-is-some-abstract-art-so-expensive.
Wikipedia contributors. "Conspicuous consumption." Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, 26 Nov. 2020. Web. 10 Dec. 2020.
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**Edit:** Hey all, I made a new video on the topic of AI Art. You can check it out here! ruclips.net/video/-fD9UNah7TU/видео.html
I don't know or when how this video suddenly blew up, but first, I'd like to thank everyone for your constructive comments! You've all raised some really important points that I failed to consider or address in my video--Especially about many major inaccuracies on historical details--which, well, was pretty hastily put-together for a class I had to pass. Either way, thanks for taking the time to check out the video and for leaving your comments!
I've lost respect for art, even though I do it. I think the problem with art is the same reason why anyone would love art: it's subjective. Pisschrist is art just as the Mona Lisa is. Tying your dick to a pole and smacking the pole on another pole is art. Oko Yono screaming for 4 hours is art. DaVinci is an artist, Van Gough is an artist, H.R. Giger is an artist. The asshole who made a golden toilet and labeled it America is not a fucking artist. It's juvenile, impractical, and no skill. Martial arts have rules, so should any in my opinion.
yeah no problem!
Hey, I think your ideas are really interesting, and I among others have left in the comments, some counterpoints. I'd love to hear your take on these, if you'd be inclined to give it.
haha the almighty algorithm found it and plugged it into a bunch of our feeds :) i like the subtle comedic style of your video essay
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I do feel like nowadays, artists speak much more for their paintings and not the other way around anymore.
A picture can say a thousand words, and yet they don’t seem confident enough to let their work speak for itself
Just like a shit movie. Lots of narration, but less really happen
Chess speaks for itself
i mean most of the paintings scream the artist was lazy
So that's why Minimalism was created and it's still shit
i don't think this is a problem within modern art itself, its a wider problem that deals with the monetization and capitalization of art in general. attach a piece to a famous name and you suddenly got yourself a masterpiece
i agree with you
Thank you. This guy just has a personal bias against modern art cause he thinks it’s “easy” his real problem is with capitalism
That’s wrong. It’s the period and the artist that attach the value. Picasso did some really bad stuff at some point particularly with his potteries which attract very little value with the only people buying it, buying it to say they have a Picasso.
@@mattys_room There's still so much people liking and buying talented art, and/or ignoring elites. Is that's capitalism doing wrong too?
You are the only one who gets it.
i think it looks interesting mostly because that pattern (if you can call it that) will never happen exactly again. not saying it’s worth millions to me. but it is pretty sometimes. but ALSO rich people buy art to save on taxes and park their money.
For me personally the best prize for this painting should be at 50.000$ and i drop it way too low because it's kind of silly to get millions with a piece that is easy to make even tho the "pattern" is unique
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣that is why i love modern and pop art
But by that logic any combination of splatters can be presented as a masterpiece worth millions
Who is going to buy it back from rich people with that price also, so how its parking your money then?
bro wtf are you doing here
I make abstract art myself. However not for the sake of making something, it's almost always while I'm on the verge of a breakdown. Whether it's a PTSD, borderline personality, panic attack, or anxiety disorder meltdown just depends. My art is a form of release and sometimes it ends up looking really nice. Each of my paintings has a psychedelic quality, and sometimes no direct focus, just what looks like a dream. My most recent painting is full of vibrant colors, something not quite solid from watercolor oozing acrylic in harsh blended brightness, painted while struggling with drug cravings and hallucinations.
Expensive modern art irritates me for the same reason. It's just sort of pointless. Abstract itself can be really fun and really pretty, but GOD
For real, I make art too when I'm trying to release my mental illness, but it turns out so bad that my thoughts were messy. But hey, it's worth it
Sone abstract art requires skill. Not everything has to be realism. But throwing a can of paint on a wall isn’t art. That’s my issue.
The point of abstract art is the self expression, which is specifically why it's weird to see so many capitalization around it.
@@idunnoalaska5071 Everything is art.
Expensive art are usually of dead artist. In the top 100, all were dead when they went for hundred of millions. Rarely artist are making the money, it's gallery and middle men that are making the money.
If you considered its history and went back you'd find that abstract art had its purpose. Same with all movements of art that challenged the traditional standards of art during the turn of the century. It's just sad that the dictates of the art market took advantage of modern art making it loose its meaning and instead became an avenue for pretention.
Well said
its also sad when you learn that a lot abstract artists like Hilma af Klint or Mondrian were tied to spiritual movements and using basic colors and shapes was a way for them to reach spirituality, meditation, some kind of primal source of creation. and now Mondrian's paintings has been turned into patterns and printed onto mugs, pillows and anything that can be sold. it really loses any meditative aspects the artists had in mind
I also randomly splashed paint on an oversized canvas like Jackson Pollock. I was motivated by my "art spirituality" and my "inner desire" to splashed paint on the canvas and to get in touch with my "philosophical consciousness."
I then ask people for $100 million dollars for my art.
@@johndorilag4129 then u wd just be copying pollock but pollock copied no one
@@johndorilag4129 same thing would happen if you.. lets say filled a patent for an invention that's already patented. why try to copy somebody instead of making something new on your own?
also your problen is that you do it for money, pollock did it for self expression and discovering new visual forms, only later he got popular among art collectors
I lost faith in modern art when i went to an art museum and the "sculptures" were a pile of bricks, a stick, a boat, a coat and literally a box full of bull crap
You're kidding..right..??
In my museum they had a toilet screwed to the celling and a empty can of coke on a table that was cordoned off.
I like to think that the artest frogot his coke amd when the museum came and asked to pay money for it they were like "lul sure buddy, 5 million."
Modern art is a joke.
@@dirtyshinobii nah I've seen this kind of stuff before. It's laughable. I think a banana and duck tape sold for 10s of thousands. Forgot the artists name. But yes...
@@dirtyshinobii You should look up the story of the famous installation named _Fettecke_ which means _A corner of fat_ by the German artist Joseph Beuys. After the 5 Kg of butter accidentally were cleaned away by the janitor, who mistook it for the trash it was, some months after Beuys' death, a friend of him declared that the piece of art was dedicated to him, saved the remains from a trash bin and made a piece on his own called _Reste einer staatlich zerstörten Fettecke_, or _Remains of a state-destroyed corner of fat,_ "state" because it happened in an acadamy of arts run by the state. Obviously a court also granted his friend a 5 digit compensation for the destroyed "piece of art", paid by the county aka tax payer. 👍
04’ the Moma, blue canvas with animal foot prints and various animal shit. Totally broke me.
I went to a gallery recently, and was frustrated by the amount of effortless, hollow, cash-grab type paintings that dominated the gallery. White canvases, lines and scribbles. It hurts me I could spend hours painting something with as much detail and skill and possible and achieve nothing, and these people could sell nothing for millions.
Edit: I don't mind modern art in how it looks, only how much it sells for. I don't mind some nice scribbles, they aren't eye-bleeding or anything, but the prices certainly are. Also, I'm not a good artist, but I try my best at it, I put time and I put effort into it, which is something that can't be said for some painting I see going for millions.
Exactly 😭 I cry when I look at art platforms like Saatchi it’s so absurd. It’s just INSANE
Art is a mirror
@@popdoom4979 no..it's a skill
Last art walk I went on, most of the art sucked. It was so much better the before the 2010s when the galleriea had standards.
1) Stop going to galleries if they cause you pain. For example--if galleries contained nothing but still life paintings, portraits and landscapes, I would stop going to them.
2) Did you just now discover that modern art exists?
3) Apparently, in your mind, art is little more than a display of technical abilities.
I've always hated modern art because of how it's viewed as superior to portraits or nature's landscape painting. I'm a first year art student and one of my first paintings for my portfolio was 3 large hibiscus flowers and as I showed it to the lecturers I was told it wasn't chaotic enough so when I went home I splashed diluted paint all over the painting that took me a few minutes and a bit of anger from being dismissed, the next time the lecturer saw the painting he said it looked better which troubled me a lot. Because of that I have made it a point in my artworks to not splash paint on any of my canvas' even if it's abstract in a way.
I would not ruin my art like that. Then I don't think people should go to art school. You can learn some basics and tips on yt.
I am proud of you.
Abstract art expresses emotion. A portrait is just a portrait.
@@elevate000 a portrait requires skill. Most abstract art doesn't.
Maybe you are in the wrong art school. If what you want to paint is realism, you should have gone to a more traditional art school. The thing is, flowers are a traditional art theme, and has been used countless times throughout art history. Still life is also a pretty calm subject, and after you destroyed your piece, it wasnt just about artists passion and dedication, but also about the anger and frustration you felt. Therefore, it conveys all the aspects of your struggles as an art student, which makes it much more interesting. You probably feel like you ruined your work, but maybe you could use your experience as a way to learn more about the world of art. Its great to try the most challenging things in the art world, because, who knows, maybe by accident you will create something that will revolutionise art forever ! Maybe it’s worth the risk ? But prehaps you just like drawing pretty subjects, and while it may not impress your art teachers or other artists, it will be enough for you and will impress most people on tik tok anyways.
I hope i wasn’t offensive, i just would love to have the chance to have a teacher like yours to make me take risks and challenge myself.
In modern art the artist seems to be more important than the art itself
If a three year old splashes random colors on a canvas, no one cares
When a known artist does it, the "art" is sold for millions
It is also done for money laundering purposes or something:/
has always been the case my friend. Johannes vermeer's girl with the pearl earring was sold in 1881 for 2 Dutch gulden and 30 cents administrative fee.
this is similar for expensive clothing brands like gucci.
It may look ugly,
but it's gucci
yup, nailed it. i had an interview with a director of an art school. so, naturally, i show him my portfolio… and then he proceeds to ask me very personal questions. then, he told me that they were looking for people with “unique” stories - as I was a mixed-race girl from the countryside of France who had a troubled family, he was interested in me. ever since, i’ve been really disgusted by the industry of contemporary art.
@@nolwennlebourhis5597 lol
So what I got from this video is that you don't actually hate the art itself, you hate the art market... which many of the artists you mention themselves hated and wanted to mock with their artwork lol
Edit: damn I pissed more people off with my pfp than with my comment itself LMAO
mocking it worked and still fueled the marked nontheless
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@@lurji what
No because the art is bad and so it doesn’t deserve to fetch those values. It’s not about the mockery or whatever bs you want to make it about; it’s pointless squiggles or blobs which aren’t ‘art’.
@@rbanerjee605 what exactly would you say is art, then?
i am a big fan of modern art and i really agree with you, modern art becomes super expensive for no reason that it just feels like its money laundering, a lot of modern art and other abstract pieces are looking for money and the painting is just lazy but they say it "has a lot of meaning" and is "abstract", and there are people like jean michel basquiat and piet mondrian making actual masterpieces through the means of modern and contemporary or just abstract art.
Abstract art is, a lot of times, an expression of the artist's feelings and/or thoughts and if done well, it can make others feel that same way. Some pieces are better than others but most do have "meaning", or at least are intended to. Also, I don’t believe there is such thing as a “lazy painting”. They’re not all supposed to look the same. More minimalistic paintings are supposed to be exactly that - minimalistic. It’s not because the artist was “lazy” it’s because they aimed to capture/create a more simplistic look.
@@Mr20001as a self taught artist that is wrong.
@@dante_0962 Interesting. Explain, please.
I remember in 2008 I was in this modern art show and I said I didn't like any of the paintings. So this artist starts telling me why they're so amazing. To this day, I think modern art is made by someone who lacks talent, but still wants to call themselves artists.
Squidward has more talent than them
@@munnoh-tw6yw If I walk away uninspired and disinterested I pretty much don't care what the "true meaning" of the painting was. I've never had to ask the meaning of the cathedral or the context of it's construction to be awe struck and amazed. I believe that's what separates good art from mediocre art. Mediocre art has to be explained and post hoc rationalized as good whereas actual good art is something people strive to recreate and draw inspiration from.
It's a mistake to put Picasso in with the abstract expressionists. His work spanned the entire modern era.
Plus many artists wanted to escape the stranglehold Picasso had had on art at the time.
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@@RmationYT yea we're not talking about that, if you judge art you judge it by itself, not the artist
@@RmationYT it was dozens of years ago
This is purely constructive criticism, and I hope you take it that way.
Your perspective strikes me as someone who isn't a painter, there are some holes in your art/artist/audience model of meaning, and there are questionable things about your emphasis on 'easy' and 'hard'. Several of my freshmen and sophomore peers in college (they weren't Painting majors) brought presentations like this to Art History classes - the problem is that they thought they knew more than they actually did about the subject. It seems a bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect. You perhaps don't realize how much you don't know.
Rothko's work isn't easy to make, especially when he was developing it. He had to develop a methodology to make his paint be extremely flat, mostly conceal brushstrokes, and for his color fields to blend into one another with extremely thin paint without pouring/dripping/crazing/dragging. Do you know how complicated paint can be to handle, and know how to manipulate it to exact expectations? He developed a personal approach and compositional arrangements that are blatantly obvious when anyone has tried to appropriate them since. That's a rare artistic feat historically, and it applies to Pollock too. 'Easy' doesn't matter at all in the context of their work, and there's limited amounts of it in existence so...immense value.
Cubism isn't easy to paint, *especially* during the time when it was being invented. It's hard to imagine today, but there was a time when it was absolutely alien to everyone who saw it. It took remarkable, inventive compositional and subject-altering leaps. The perspective on painting fundamentally changed. There's a reason why it exploded, and why it's now an inseparable part of Western history. It's easy to take for granted what you've casually seen, however, it's borderline impossible to imagine an art approach you haven't seen because it hasn't been invented yet. That phenomenon happened frequently from around the 1850s to about the 1980s-90s.
There are artists in the representational vein who were highly controversial (Caravaggio, Manet) due to their work, but now many people naively see their work as run of the mill for their eras because of bad habits like superficial skimming through image searches on Wiki/Google or being shown a poorly contextualized presentation. It's easy to underestimate the value of context.
The irony of painting approaches that appear to have a high talent floor (classical-leaning representational painting) is that they're actually relatively easy to teach because they're almost entirely technical in nature. They can be learned like driving (albeit more difficult). Making master copies of famous artwork is a direct example. Creativity can entirely take a backseat to learning the skills needed to make representational paintings from many eras. The academy was literally this as a machine, and was rejected by many artists because art is more than a trade. Talent doesn't quite matter as much as you think regarding the work you seem to admire. You're conflating skill and talent.
On Pollock's work being meaningless: that is only possible if the artist has absolute control over the meaning of the work, which is a problem that was delved into via text like "Death of an Author" by Roland Barthes, back in 1967. Artists often don't even have full clarity of what their work means to themselves. Meaning is far more complicated than I think you realize, especially in a field like art.
Well said
YES THANK YOU, this comment is very underrated
hard agree. the fact that he showed a picasso while saying it took little years of practice (despite picasso literally being formally trained since before his teens) was completely absurd. I used to think the same thing about nonrepresentational/abstract art, then I actually *researched* the point of the movements and realized that wassily didn’t paint the way he did because it was “easier”
Totally agree !!
@@saadvon yes! I remember Picasso literally said he only took a few years to paint like the old masters but took forever to develop the style we know him for “drawing like a child”, he says
The modern and abstract art I admire the most is done by artists who have been thoroughly trained in the traditional arts. Picasso is a good example of this. He could paint very realistic portraits for example Le Moulin de la Galette”, 1900. Having this artistic background makes his abstract painting extremely meaningful. Pollack's earlier work also exemplified an understanding of figurative art and thus his dripping style paintings also reflect that.
Picasso was a fraud and petty criminal and guilty of mysoginy. Pollock was an alcoholic who drove his car into a tree. Real art is shamanic and that is as ancient as mankind.
Picasso isn't an abstarct artist
@@cicada1239 Pablo Picasso was not primarily known as an abstract artist, although he made significant contributions to the development of abstract art. Picasso is best known for his role in the development of modern art, particularly as a co-founder of the Cubist movement. Cubism is characterized by the representation of objects or subjects from multiple viewpoints and the use of geometric shapes and abstract forms to depict the essence of the subject.
While Cubism can be seen as a precursor to abstract art, it still retained some degree of representational elements, and Picasso's work often featured recognizable subjects, even if they were deconstructed or reimagined in an abstract way.
It's important to note that Picasso's career spanned many decades, and he explored various artistic styles and movements, including Surrealism and abstraction, later in his life. In the later stages of his career, Picasso did create some purely abstract works, but he is primarily celebrated for his contributions to Cubism and his innovative approach to representing the world in a new and transformative way.
@@RussMcClay that’s fair. I assumed you meant his popular cubist pieces are abstract art.
He was an impressionist, actually
calls the painting meaningless, immediately goes on to explain the meaning of the painting
From someone who is currently in art school, there are many, many talented artists that ive had the pleasure of working with. There are also those snobby rich kids who attended art school, not because of their talent, but because of the money their parents had. They all resort to Abstract Expressionism due to their lack of talent. This isn't exactly related to this video, but I thought it was worth sharing.
Are you austrian by any chance?
Exactly. These abstract artist have no talent and that's why they hide under the abstract umbrella
@@chrystianaw8256 okay but that is no reason to hate a whole movement or genre of art. People imitating creativity and talent have always existed, putting a price tag on art only sharpens this, so to me and I think, as it should be for everyone artistic, you should not even consider the price of a painting while enjoying/judging it. Especially to abstract art that cannot easily be judged in meaning or skill needed
@@giannistaz I agree with him
no reason I just hate abstract art
Goofy as shit
I mean there have been snobs riding each art movement to the ground, that's what art history is
I think good art evokes some kind of feeling or emotion upon looking at something where the more you look at it the more interesting it becomes, I don't think there needs to be any meaning, I think a lot of older abstract art shocked people because no one had done it before, abstract art today is worse because it's overdone everyone is trying to do it, the shock value is gone and it's just boring to look at after you've seen a few you've seen them all.
I agree, his arguments would go better against contemporary art
This! I was looking for someone to say this
He said here that it was a celebration of the activity of painting itself, which imo is definitely a meaning, and also quite beautiful. It’s just really a shame that it lost that meaning along the way, and just became what it is now
To be fair currently there are so many good artists taking inspiration from hyperrealism to surrealism. Today good art doesn't equal market value.
ah yes, the good ol back in these times this was better than nowadays
I used to feel this way until a roommate of mine decided to go to a party as a Jackson Pollack. He got a white suit coat used and splattered it with paint. He did the front one day and the back the next. They looked similar but gave me different feelings. The front seemed to be exuberant, the back a little pissed off.
Then he told me that he had gotten into a kerfuffle with his girlfriend after the front but before the back. I had to acknowledge there was something to this stuff.
When I was a kid I went to the Ottawa Museum of Art. A main exhibit (which cost the taxpayers major bucks) was a massive blue canvas with white masking tape on the corners. It must have been 10-12" square. There was also a tiny black dot in the middle of the blue canvas. The title ... "Lac Claire", which is French for "Clear Lake". I'm not even joking. What next? A white canvas called "Snowy Day"?
Giant green painting called grass
Went to Amsterdam recently. Went to a Modern Art Museum - it was embarrassingly bad, there was a whole room and inside was just some Ikea lights draping from the ceiling and a bunch of people hmming and haaing around it.
Then I left and went to the Rjiksmuseum. Gorgeous art. Beautiful history.
good
They also said that about Van Gogh
in that museum i put a used tissue into one of the installation to see if someone would notice
@@dariosalvi4962 Well, I didn't that's for sure!
@@dariosalvi4962 Well, the structure of DNA is art on it's own. So......😂
A major art museum went to a woman's studio and gathered all the paintings for display. Critics praised each one as a masterpiece, each one showing off the artist's skill and style wonderfully.
The artist later had to admit that some of those paintings were done by her 8 year old daughter. The "experts" couldn't tell the difference.
Anyone can call themselves or somebody else a critic or an expert. Maybe you should start to be the one to judge who you consider these things. It's very easy to noone can do deep and profound analysis of work like this, when the people you call critics and experts are holy fools that got their credentials from rich people needing an "expert" to help them evade some taxes in an art deal. Find someone who can teach you to appreciate things you weren't able to see the merit in before, because analysis, evaluation, appreciation and criticism are skills that need to be trained. If you find someone that can help you foster those abilities in yourself, then you have a real expert and not a charlatan.
The source is that i made it the fuck up !
so does that mean there is no value in the the child’s drawings?
Source?
Nonsense.
It's not easy to be the artist you can't call yourself artist just by throwing thw paints, to become the real artist you have to practice and do hardwork on your art and show something representable and meaningful.
There's no set criteria for being an artist. If you produced art regardless of what value others see in it you're still an artist.
Thankyou o great arbiter of art
Representable and meaningful wtf does that mean
@@jpm199it means you have to express a story. You have to convey a message. Or sometimes, it can be art that doesn't necessarily convey a story or message, but allows you to feel the way the artists felt in that moment. In the old renaissance paintings, they all conveyed a story, or they conveyed a message of some sort. The Impressionists and post-impressionists like Van Gogh didn't necessarily convey a message or story, they were more geared towards conveying how the artist felt when they looked at that particular scene or subject. A lot of the time, these impressionist paintings are interesting because, like Van Gogh, these artists were going through extreme bouts with mental illness, or maybe the artist had an alternate vision of the subject. Maybe instead of trying to duplicate a photograph, the artist wanted to simply add some style to it by making the colors pop more, or by using short, vibrant strokes. The thing I have a problem with is that these modern "artists" are able to just paint a square, or screw a nut onto a bolt and all of a sudden, BOOM, it is some sort of slillful masterpiece. The artist shouldn't have to explain the artwork. The artwork should explain the artist. It takes absolutely ZERO talent to splash some paint onto a canvas and try to portray it as some sort of masterpiece. In this modern art era, there is no subject. There is no message. You aren't even getting a genuine dive into the mind of the artist. Or, even if you are, it doesn't negate the fact that it took zero talent. It is still art, but I, and many others, view it as entirely unfair for this talentless art to recieve so much praise and value while there are tons of artists out there with much more talent, who have invested countless hours behind a canvas perfecting their craft, only to live paycheck to paycheck. To me, the thing that makes art so special and unique is that it takes so much effort and time to be able to produce such magnificent paintings, and no artist sees the same subject. Each artist sees it a little different, so they use their talent and skill to paint what they see and put it on canvas for others to really understand them. You lose all of that when the art being produced requires the same skill and dedication and talent as anyone else. It isn't special. It isn't unique. It is just dumb. There is nothing special or talent-full about splashing a single paint color onto a canvas. Telling a story, conveying a message, or allowing the viewer to see the subject how you see it through your paintings which were painted with dedication and true effort is real art. That is something special.
I hate how art teachers alqays felt like rhey were trying to make you feel bad if you dont like abstract art.
“The painting speaks! Do you not hear what it says?”
“Yeah, it says ‘don’t drink while you’re painting.’”
-from _Top Cat,_ aptly summarizing modern art all the way back in 1962
Wait, the Show Top Cat?
I like looking at abstract art as a texture, it can be used as decoration in many kinds of things, but the monetary value makes little sense and it's more about the painter's name than anything else
Haa haa, I remember that episode very well. TC is my favorite cartoon.
Lol
I love how the community is giving constructive criticism to the video’s thesis. I honestly don’t know where to start but you all dissected the video well! Hopefully this counts as my discussion post lol
Yeah, I very much appreciate it! 😅
ruclips.net/video/fSZQc6g8Q3w/видео.html I dont like modernity
Someone will duct tape a paper to a wall and it will sell for $500000000000000000
I absolutely agree that there is an extremely modern/simplistic problem in the art world led by greedy people. all ways of expressio should be valued, there are abstract artists who make absolutely stunning art, and everyone has their own taste, yet I can’t help but get frustrated with paintings like the black dot on the canvas that sold for millions or other just ridiculously simple things like that.
Agreed
@@munnoh-tw6ywstop cherry-picking examples, everyone brings up Comedian and says it’s the worst art. That is just something that non-artists say. Now do I love it, no. But it sure is better than the 40th fucking boring ass Kinkade painting in hotel lobbies. They’re both jokes but one is a purposeful joke. Also people who say this shit don’t actually go to art museums. Some of my favorite works are super simplistic like the Fragile future works or Mel Chin’s Spirit. Yes the banana is a fucking joke, and that is the point (Also classical art also has money laundering behind it, most art does) also this umbrella term of modern art is stupid. So many cultures have so many kinds of art that are not just the same few boring ass classicism in inspired pieces.
what I personally think about modern abstract arts is that they are more like expensive collectibles rather than masterpieces
yep.
"beauty is in the eye of the beholder" - some random person at some point
@@Hpr-um2ll some beholders are blind. They only see the prestige and not effort and skill. Even a persons fart sounds good for those people and call it HIGH ART.
'expensive collectibles" have included furbies, pogs, garbage can kids and pencil eraser trolls. that says it all.
Aye, expensive colletibles to do some money laundering with.
I can only say after studying art history i know it's not the popular opinion but I absolutely agree with you, it's like they aren't even trying anymore but charging millions for scribble scrabble
No, most abstract and modern artists were fine artists or illustrators and good at it. Do your research. They simply wanted to try something else. Wouldn’t life be boring if clothing designers only designed one thing over and over?
I swear it's all because of money laundering. Someone can make millions of dollars by swinging a paintbrush and putting in a dogshit meaning
@@deniseberman8633theres glass art, thread art, stop motion, normal animation, etc.
They just take 1000x more effort than splashing paint and are more pleasing and interesting
Art is not about who can do it , it's about who does it.
You’ve combined art history and art market (completely different things) together to make a poorly articulated point that’s based on the lack of understanding of said movements. It’s basically “my child can draw this too” argument but using fancier words.
Even Clement Greenberg, the ultimate anti-post-modern thinker, was the biggest defender of abstract expressionism.
Exactly.
Yes.
abstract expressionism wasn't really postmodern
You know modern art is bullshit. So why are you pretending it isn't?
On the contraire... If you ever studied art history then you'll understand the notion of how art has crossed borders in a global society. Art history and the commodity of art go hand-in-hand. Educate yourself. Henry, I totally see your point and have had the same reservations in regards to simplicity of some gestural art (as well as Duchamp's ready-mades, lol) but I also see the genius behind it and understand why it may be faired at those ridiculous prices. The rebellious and revolutionary actions of the Dada avant-garde have indeed fallen into the hands of the rich again.
Once Andy Warhol made a name for himself he changed his art into a personal joke. He was saying "People see me as an artist therefore I can make anything, no matter how bad, and call it art". Then people copied this message, took it to extremes and eventually evolved into people with no talent calling themselves artists and criminals trading this art as a way of laundering money.
Modern art had to be a revelation for drugdealers.
If i were a drugdealer i would totally splash some colors on some paper, call it art and my money coming in would be fresh and clean like a summer breeze.
And my customers of course would probably throw my art away pretty soon to make space for my next masterpiece
Warhol came later, and he created some interesting things that clearly took passion and effort.
Andy Warhol is a hack
Yeah that’s the absurdity behind it. Artists KNOW that all they have to do is splash some paint around and some critic will spend hours contemplating it’s deeper meaning. Artists KNOW that the public will buy literally anything.
Warhol was all about how mass production of art is good actually. They were fine art pieces celebrating how consumerism was creating egalitarianism.
my friend put an umbrella down and walked round the exhibition, seeing if people noticed it. no joke, people started taking pictures.
One thing about modern art that you cannot deny is it's reflection of our society- lost, confused, empty, angry, and the unequivocal hatrid of people for people. It represents a dark era of humanity and the conflict of man with other men- whereas, older dark art reflected man's conflict with himself.
Modern art is depressing and comparable to music in a bad frequency. It is almost cruel and intentional in creating an anger in the observer- it's manipulative. Older art was just honest. That's entirely different. Even "happy" art today is angry.
except thats not a modern thing, everytime someone complains about a not technological problem of why our modern world sucks its something that still sucked 1000 years ago, an example is socrates complaining about kids these days being lazy in the BCE era
i personally like abstract art, and modern sculptures. but only when you can genuinely see the meaning (ex- “i can’t help myself” i think it’s called?)
Agreed. Abstract art is suppose to at least have meaning. A lot of these modern art pieces are amorphous blobs
This!
A lot of abstract pieces today have no soul, no meaning, no value to it, they're just there so rich people can buy it and show off. Ironically, that is not the purpose of modern art, not the original at least; of it being the presentation of self, feelings, emotions and even protest against something.
There's a difference between abstract and just plain shit
You guys seriously need to google what modern art is, as does the creator of the video
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459
In the beginning he said I hate abstract expressionism but not for the reason you think. And then he said the exact thing I thought he would say.
Oooo
I think his lack of structure or emphasis on his point made it easy to assume that he's just another person confused why "talentless and easy" art grosses such big prices, WHICH WAS HEAVILY EMPHASISED , and was pretty annoying but also he brought up some good points about how people used this form of art to express themselves in "easy and accesible" ways, only for them to be selectively idolized and their art sold for millions making people discredit the movement. Or that's what I got out of this, cause most of the video is annoying rambling from a non experienced in the topic person.
The futility of art is not about how good a piece is, it’s simply you as an artist being the first to do a particular style.
You probably could've just titled this video "Why I hate high art auctions".
Just the fact that splattered paint can achieve such great value, makes me feel much better about my art.
It's not enough to do lazy art, you gotta have a famous name to go along with it.
@@luckystar9279 thats the only hard part
Like it's kinda pretty I guess, but it's not worth more than like 20$
I think that's the point here. I think the point he's trying to say is that modern art is not supposed to be our shouldn't be a shortcut for those who don't want to work hard to improve towards success.
i kind of understand the point of abstract expressional art. it's meant to invoke a certain feeling like home-y warmth or that old nostalgic feel from old cartoons. problem is it's not worth 500x buying a house outright.
I feel like at least some of these paintings must have been made as a dare or an experiment, basically the artists asking themselves how stupidly simple can we make these paintings without the art critics finally saying "Ok, now you're just taking the piss".
The irony is that that's sort of how the Modern Art movement was born. Back in the early 1900's, when Impressionism and the like were still seen as a new and controversial medium, Elsa von Freytag-Loringhoven anonymously submitted the piece "Fountain"-a urinal placed on its side and signed "R. Mutt, 1917"-to the Society of Independent Artists. At first glance, it sounds ridiculous, but the moment you try to dig up meaning, it oozes with the stuff. It's first and foremost a middle finger to the stodgy art elitists, proclaiming that anything can be made into art, so long as there was meaning behind it, while also lowkey saying "Your art's comparable to a piss pot."
"Fountain" was provocative, to say the least. The piece was almost rejected out of hand as nothing but a prank by the society's ranking members, and led to a heated debate as some tried to fight for "Fountain's" validity as a piece of art. "Fountain" was eventually lost, possibly destroyed by a disgruntled society member, but its impact lasted through the century. It encouraged artists to continue pushing the boundaries of art and meaning, and to never settle for the status quo.
All this from a urinal, and an artist who was, quite literally, "Taking the piss" on the art world.
(Honestly, "Fountain" is just a fascinating piece of art history, especially since it's spent the better part of the past century accredited to the wrong person-Marcel Duchamp, an artist with a similar style to "Fountain" and who claimed credit for it late in his life, after Baroness Elsa and everyone who could've known the true creator of "Fountain" was dead. It's still a point of controversy to this day, such that many sources, including even Wikipedia, continue to tout Duchamp as "Fountain's" creator. It's a story well worth looking into.)
Please see my stupidly large comment lol. Basically all of this was down to CIA involvement, encouraging (and enabling/funding) artists in a creative cold war with USSR
The people desperately trying to find meaning in a lot of these abstract pieces are complete fools, duped into thinking they're being 'deep'... Even the bloody artists were joking at the time they had no idea what they were doing (there are videos of this). Then its subsequently spawned a whole movement of people copying and being deeeeeep.
I think context is super important with a lot of these. I believe there are a lot of pieces that if they are made today would truly be meaningless but at the time they were made did indeed have a lot of power due to the social context, controversy they may have caused, political implications etc. like if someone made a pollock style now, it wouldn’t carry much weight but at the time it was huge because he was calling attention to the process of creating as an art form etc etc etc. even within that i could argue that that’s stolen from African artists who were making that point for a long time, and I personally am not a pollock fan..I don’t want to get into all that but it’s just one example
@@vurrunna Actually from what I have read it's only a theory that two guys claimed to be true, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of it being true and it doesn't really look like a sculpture from that women but looks a lot like a work from Duchamp... But it's a really debatable subject and maybe we shouldn't bother that much about who made it in the end. The impact it made to the art scene should be what we remember of it in my opinion.
@@gudlike3634 Ironically, I think "Fountain" matches Baroness Elsa's style far more than Duchamp's. They both had styles that relied on taking ordinary objects and turning them into art pieces, but where Baroness Elsa generally created pieces that held deeper meaning to them (much like modern art does), Duchamp made much of his art with the express purpose of having no purpose.
For reference, Baroness Elsa also created a piece entitled "God," a twisted sewer pipe made as a bit of a commentary on Duchamp himself, in part criticizing his egoism and self agrandisement. By contrast, Duchamp created a series of sculptures known as ready-mades, sculptures that just took ordinary junk like chairs and bike parts and declared them "art." Many claim that "Fountain" fits Duchamp's style of ready-mades, but the whole point of the ready-made was that it had no meaning; the meaning was in the context, of seeing a bunch of junk laying around an art gallery and calling it "art." The objects themselves were not chosen with much consideration beyond being stuff you wouldn't expect to see in an art gallery. "Fountain," by contrast, was a piece just dripping with meaning. It's not that Duchamp couldn't have made it, but rather that it was rather a bit more thought out than was often his style.
I'll admit, there's a good chance I might be biased on this-I originally learned the story (including Baroness Elsa) from my modern art history professor, who was adamant that Baroness Elsa had made "Fountain." However, he also spent an entire sabbatical exploring woman's history in the art world, a good part of which involved investigating the story of "Fountain" and who really made it. At the end of the day, we'll never _really_ know who made "Fountain," simply because all of the evidence is circumstantial at best; Baroness Elsa never made any claims to have made it, and Duchamp only ever made claims later in life when everyone who could have possibly known was already dead. When comparing the two, however, I feel like there are many more circumstances in favor of Elsa than of Duchamp.
Why it matters is the very reason "Fountain" matters-it was all about how we perceived and talked about art and the art world. By the same vein, just letting the story slide potentially ignores a great female artist in history; which, given how few there were until relatively recently (due to a vast array of factors, mostly that not many women had the chance to create art in the first place), would be a crying shame. It becomes a part of the piece's very impact, that even to this day it remains a point of controversy and discussion in the art world.
Anywho, that's just my thought on it; I don't claim to be an expert, just a guy who learned a cool story in college and likes to share it whenever I get the chance. :)
I am in part an "abstract artist"; I work with several techniques that did require accumulating knowledge of chemical interactions between the materials, and the composition is super important as well. That being said, I still feel the same as you about the art in this video. I encourage everyone to express themselves creatively no mater what, but selling a canvas with 3 simple blocks on it for millions is proof of connections not talent and skill.
is not about how difficult it is to make those paintings. is about what's behind them. some people don't even want their paintings sold. the money comes in second place. it's not something that's made for rich to enjoy, it's the rich that take the paintings to themselves. every example that you did had a message behind, and it's because people don't understand what's behind those pieces that modern art is so hated.
(sorry for any grammar mistake, feel free to correct me.)
You dont hate contemporary art, you hate the contemporary art market. Those are two different things my friend.
agreed
just say you play with paint. lol
@@whoopdewhoop7154 🤣🤣 agree
Forgive him, he’s dumb
They may be two different things, but the market always influences how art is made and viewed. Artists are as motivated by money as anyone else, and seeing a paint splatter sell for millions of dollars absolutely has an effect on what kinds of art young people are incentivized to make.
I was at a hotel and there were two paintings that were just reddish orange. Super meaningful, changed my life
Depends on what it was, if it was still life that has been modified with different colours, it does have meaning.
@@LightYagami-DN Were you there. Was their experience less because you weren't there. Do you exist and have meaning?
@@spudpud-T67 Man, what is that bullshit u said right now? Mainly still lives are made for practicing your eyes, to see all the shapes, all the shadows, obv, they might put the painting there just for the room not to be empty, but that doesn't mean, that it was meaningless for the artist who made that painting, if u know shit about art just keep quiet.
@@LightYagami-DN Your incoherence defines all clarity. We all bow to your ...whatever.
@@spudpud-T67 Man, why so sarcastic, just cuz u can't even use Google to search what still lives means and why people draw it, i just told u. Sorry that i say facts and logic, i guess it's too much for your brain😂
In a lot of these discussions, theres a fine line between elitists and skeptics. For example: illustrators and people who use subversive mediums are often shamed for their lack of hyperrealism despite having much more to say than an old portrait
Your video should be titled: 'Why I Hate the Modern Art Market'. That is something most of us can agree with. But abstract art can be rather amazing. I own many pieces but I didn't pay millions [or even thousands] for them.
Modern abstract art is type of art that makes talentless people like me feel like artists
Respectfully, there is a test for your theory. Remember, the Pollack described sold for $140 million dollars. If it does not require talent…do it.
@@Bailark it realy doesnt.
None whatsoever.
All it takes is good marketing, knowing the right people . We all know that abstract art is used to money wash, people dont buy it because they actually admire the art.
@@yenisketches6047 sounds like you have it all figured out. Now there is nothing between you and tens of millions of dollars.
DO IT.
@@Bailark There is.
I am a lawyer, doing my masters.
I cannot get involved into money washing. However, I can get involved in catching those who do
@@yenisketches6047 Save it, Yeni. Your argument is weak because it doesn’t serve as a principle. Lots of things/industries are used for money laundering. That mere fact does not eliminate the value of the entire industries. Real estate, for example, is used for money laundering also. That does not mean that some expensive homes or commercial properties dont hold legitimate value. Therefore, just because some use art to launder money does not mean art has no value.
If you re a lawyer…don’t tell anybody. That was an absurdly weak argument.
Very interesting title. Especially considering that Pollock, Rothko, Picasso are NOT modern artists. Most famous and innovative art made after the 1920's is considered post-modern. Modernism was the art of Paris, but when the art world shifted to New York in the 1900s it became post-modern. The art of today is considered contemporary or new digital art. Greetings from someone who studied art history at university for four years.
You're correct. I feel like the video creator was talking out of his ass.
@@BigBossEats However, he's still right.
@@BigBossEats I think that his opinion still stands even if he didn't use the proper era names. I have to agree with him to some extent, as someone who studied fine arts for well over 10 years now, post-modern trends rooted in great ideology but quickly got tarnished by the elite. Nowadays, i see people claiming to be professional artists without even knowing human proportions, color theory or story telling only because they can splash colors onto a surface. I find it sickening. Even art has it's Wal-Mart version now, and those cheap laborers make it even harder for "real" artists to earn their bidding.
I hate post-modernism. It's good as an Ikea piece, worthless as an exhibit piece.
@@junosquill Paint mop girl comes to mind. She acts like she’s doing something riveting and new. She’s making a circle on a canvas with a mop instead of a paintbrush. A simple circle. Sometimes there’s 2 circles!
Her latest escapades have been lying on a canvas in the same pose every time while her kids dump paint on her. It looks. Fine. Not great. Not *that* bad. But not good. The art is supposed.. To be her. Not the canvas, not the paint on the canvas. Her. Her on the canvas. And it baffles me. What does it represent? It’s the same thing every time with the 2 colors swapped out. What does it mean other than “I’m rich and can do this and make profit because other rich people love me!”
Her art makes me angry for all hardworking artists out there. She doesn’t even do the art in her latest things. Someone else does the paint part. What the fuck
I mean, he clearly wasn’t talking about the movement of Modernism. “Modern”’s meaning can still be interpreted as “contemporary”. This is some good demagogy
I think it's abysmal that you can wholeheartedly describe someone as well educated and talented as Mark Rothko as "simplistic", or his pieces as devoid of experience. Mark Rothko started as a "regular" expressionist, and after extreme depression following WWII, Rothko felt that figurative, personable paintings didn't do justice to the overwhelming pain he felt. Over the years he grew into his known style (as opposed to him finding it by instance or making it out of the need for money) and only came said style due to his pain. Rothko's paintings aren't "just acrylic", he uses many mediums to create intense textures and intricate colours, ones only discovered through experience and trial. Mark Rothko didn't take his own life for you to dismiss his paintings as simplistic and meaningless. In an attempt to seek help, annotate his pain, and find god, Rothko devolved into the art style we know him by. Only after experiencing the Seagram Building paintings irl did I truly understand the nature of Rothko's art, I too looked at Modernism in the same way described in this video- now I may not be able to justify or defend Jason Pollock's morals or incentives, but I do know for a fact that Mark Rothko was merely a distraught, damaged soul.
I believe that some of what makes modern, or rather "abstract" art so desirable is not the fact that anyone can make it, but rather the fact that anyone can interpret it, and I know for certain that when looking upon "Black on Maroon", I didn't feel anything close to what Mark did when making it (or half the pain that resulted in his need to make art this way) though I can say that he gave light to my pain.
We would all benefit from a bit more art literacy. Bums me out really
Even with all this in mind you have not sold me on his art in the slightest. If the argument is "the art is good because of his emotional state and context at the time" then you can literally contextualize just about anything as amazing and "experienced" "art" if the artist is suffering or "depicting their suffering in unusual ways"
@@jamescobblepot4744 how do you expect to understand art when you don't try to understand art 🤣
@@jamescobblepot4744Well isn’t art just a reflection of the creators ideas and their life experience? I mean yeah, if you don’t know Rothko’s background his art is not that meaningful to you, but once you do learn it, it changes his art entirely.
You can say that about any art. If you don’t have any historical or personal knowledge about the artist or a work of art, its significance is massively diminished.
for example, Washington crossing the Delaware just seems like a patriotic depiction of Washington’s surprise attack on Trenton, but once you learn the historical context of Emanuel Leutze and the paintings inspiration coming from the 1848 revolutions, and the black red and yellow colors used in it, the painting transforms into an icon of German nationalism and German unification in the 19th century.
@@jamescobblepot4744 pieces of art---films, music, literature, etc.--- follow a movement, and many of them are reactions to something historical at the time (see Dada and modernism), and so there's context on how you'd view an art, and thus appreciate it. These days, people don't try to understand what they don't like. I think that's unfortunate. So much is missed. I personally don't like a lot of pieces, for example, Picassos, but I try to understand its context, both historical and personal, and derived pleasure from it, which is beyond liking or not liking---both too dismissive and close-minded. Art links you to something far bigger than you, than us. Think of it as history. We don't like it very much, but it'd be a mistake not to try to understand it. Beauty is sometimes, if not often, fickleminded. Say, you are dating this very pretty girl, so you LIKE her, but over several dates you got bored, realizing that there is nothing to the girl that fascinates you, that it was all superficial beauty; the opposite can be true to: you see a girl, not so pretty, even ugly, and over a couple of dates as you learn more about her, things change: you begin to notice her soft voice that sings, the gentle sway of her hips as she walks, her titling her head as she listens you, her laugher---then you begin to think: she's beautiful, and not only that, meaningful.
Art is very much about self expression now, but I feel that they express themselves in a way that only they can understand
Modern Art definitely is filled with extreme talent and masterpieces, unfortunately you just have to sift through a huge pile of **** to find it. I don't think you dislike modern art, i think you dislike modern art that makes the news for being sold for an obnoxious price to obnoxious people. But unfortunately this has existed throughout the history of almost anything creative. WAP by Cardi B has sold over 2 million records, went straight to no.1 in the charts, won numerous awards, you think Beethoven is writing a youtube video about how he hates Pop Music?
@@Peem_pom Don't make it about race, I used classical music as an example.
you're the same kind of person that would back in the day tell van gogh and other expresionists and impresionists that their art is shit, because it doesn't align with the rules of french academy of art. stop gate keeping and being a snob who can't recognise that wap is a joke song and shouldn't be taken seriously
@@Peem_pom thanks for defending how low the society has sunked. WAP not only serve the culture it reflects it.
@@odomisan it’s okay to want to express female sexuality I don’t see you people writhing upset about the vast exploitative industry that is pornography, so chill
@@Peem_pom why the hell do certain people on the internet always have to bring up the topic of race on every damn conversation
Modern art be like:
-Banana with a duct tape
-Costs around $500,000+
fr it’s a crying shame 😭
Some random person actually thinks it has meaning 🥴
Eating the Banana was part of the act too.
I saw a plain long blue pole in the corner of a room once at our local art gallery, along with several other abominations masquerading as "art." I was disgusted. I couldn't keep quiet about it, much to the embarrassment of the friends I was with. I don't think the gallery porters appreciated my comments either, LOL.
I feel that the more that Banana is mentioned, the more it is discussed, the more it is validated. Using it as critique for modern art gives it meaning, I think.
Maybe we should allow it to fall into obscurity.
1:03 looks like a bunch of birds shitted on the canvas
Modern Art is an much discussed topic since lots of people don‘t seem to like it, which I absolutely understand. The problem with modern Art nowadays is that those old paintings, which are being sold for atrocious prices, didn‘t have the chance to sell in the time they were painted. Modern Art did alot for the Art community, since people finally stopped to just draw realism or important people. Impressionism, Expressionism or Dadaism, all these art movements and those artist didn‘t really want to sell their paintings. It was just an art movement, against acadamism or the art rules that were normal back then. Abstract Art usually doesn‘t have meaning because those Artist drew what they felt, and it was different, something completely new, which can‘t be replicated. Thats why it‘s sold with such high prices. I understand if just an black canvas is sold for 100 mio dollars, but it was revolutionary back then and it can‘t be replicated. If someone did that nowadays no one would bat an eye, but considering that abstract art was so outrageous. I kinda get it. It‘s not most peoples cup of tea but if you know the history, it‘s kinda understandable.
These are the reasons I expected.
The invocations of the "meaningless" painting you opened with:
Decay
Murder
Growth
Recreate
Slough
Depths
Choppy
It feels like I'm staring into the Depths of the ocean
It feels like a dead animal rotting away
It feels like fungi on a crumbly tree's bark
It feels like the galactic filament of the universe
It feels like a labyrinthine castle fortress
I actually like this type of painting because no matter how many times you look at it, you can find so many different shapes and interpretations inside it.
I don't think it is fair to compare this type of modern art with a black canvas with a red dot in the middle or a banana taped to a wall.
i think the main problem with art is nowadays it isnt the art itself, but who made it if their famous the art will sell for more than if you were unknown in short it isn't the art it's the creator of art
This has to be the coldest take on modern art you could’ve had
could you tell me your take on it then?
@@ryujinswife1482 Why should he?
@@beanieweenie1349 cause im interested to know ??
@@ryujinswife1482 Oh, ok, my bad
@@beanieweenie1349 Because that's called constructive criticism
It’s frustrating to hear a person pretending to have any kind of authority over these opinions when they clearly didn’t take art theory in school. These pantings aren’t being bought for millions of dollars by some wacky rick guy who plans on keeping it in their guest bathroom. They are being bought by large foundations that are funded by many people to preserve them in galleries and museums. As for these paintings being meaningless, how can you say that when you just explained its meaning? Art is of its time. At the time, pollock was breaking free from conventional art, freeing the rest of the world from the idea that art needed to be this perfected tedious endeavor. Artists like him freed artistic expressions from the strict and constraining expectations people had of it in the past. It’s like saying Rosa parks didn’t do anything meaningful, she just sat at the front of the bus. If she were to do that today, maybe it would be meaningless, but at the time it was huge statement, and a protest. I think you’re confusing modern art with postmodern and contemporary. At the time that modern art came out, breaking away from traditional expectations was a big deal, it may not seem like it now, for those who lack perspective I suppose. Making these historical pieces worth millions of dollars actually keeps them from ending up in the guest bathroom of some wacky rich guy, not the other way around
Considering most of the paintings this RUclipsr seems to like are literally portraits commissioned by rich A holes to make themselves look like they weren't imbred or cowardly... to... wait for it... hang in their bathrooms... I think the essayist needs to take art history. Many historical works convey no meaning other than praise for brutal institutions, broken systems, and the often cruel people who controlled them.
I know some people say that it just looks cool and you have to 'use your imagination" but I agree. You could say that a 5-year-old painted that, anyone could just get a bucket of paint and drizzle it across a canvas on the floor. If that's what art is then, Is everyone a genius painter? No. I can understand that back in the 40's and 50's, that type of design was not very common in that time period, like stripes of different colors. Maybe that's why people think it's so cool, because it was a very new thing back then, it's almost like Pollock created that pattern. Either way, it's odd to think that people today think that it's "genius" and that it's "perfect", I don't know if people say that because of the great new trend of colors mixed like that was very important to today's society. I don't care, it's not genius to put a bunch of colors on a canvas with no picture, it's "meaningless" like you said.
When I was a teenager we went to an art gallery and the one piece that sticks in my mind was a huge canvas painted black with a smaller red square in the middle. That's it. Anyone could have painted it. And it was called 'breakfast'. We just had a good laugh at it.
Lol, I bet that art is so funny to you 😂 if I was there, I would instantly laugh so hard and mocks the artist for being "I'm sure you only want the money and that art you made is nothing than a void meaning"
And continue psychotic laughing (I'm suffering bipolar disorder, I can't stop it)
Waiting for the reply that says "But it did stick in your mind, so thats why its very good and requires skill duh!"
I wouldn't be happy with my time wasted. Especially when I want to learn and be inspired. I'm fine with some modern art like that, but not in a museum or expensive. It would be fine like as a doodle or a pattern on clothing.
@@DoctorBones1 If someone says that, that's like saying nazism is memorable to some people "therefore it was good". That would just be twisting what people say, projecting, pushing their views on people, and trying to dictate to people on how to think. There is such a thing as bad publicity and being notorious, which means famous for something bad. I don't think bad publicity is good.
And yet it’s the one piece that sticks out in your mind. Let that resonate.
You are meant to understand the meaning and general context of the painting just by looking at it. With abstract expressionism this usually isn't the case. You have to inform people of what your random splashes on the canvas represents.
Well abstract art has the purpose of making you think, the meaning is whatever it make you think and what you think it means.
@@bruhmaster6923 making people confused doesn't make it art
@@bruhmaster6923 out of all the abstract art pieces in the video the only one I've guessed was no.5, it had no meaning. It might have meaning to the author or the process of making it had a meaning, but for the viewer of a finished product there is none.
Its not really about the meaning in abstract art Its more about the feeling the colors and the compisitions vibe you. Thats why Its so good its never about meaning thats just a missconception.
@@bruhmaster6923 I wouldn’t say it makes you think so much as it makes you wildly grasp for meaning where there is none. It has fake depth and is worth no more than any random object that might “make you think”.
If u don't mind me n my opinion here.. for me, modern and contemporary art, includes abstract impresionism art style is indeed easy and seems like a nonsense. But what i study as a pupil in art school, actually only few artist that can accomplished all naturalism, realism, romanticism, surrealism, or other kind of 'copying nature or real life object' to a canvases can then get 'qualified' to make an abstract or conseptual work of art.
They must master all of it first. And then, many artist will then feel to do something more, they want to make something so new; since we already have photography that can actually copy the image eyes can see, theres not so much need to make a realistic pictures: except if they want it and they passionate on it.
So, a better way is to test some contemporary artists or abstract artists about their actuall skill on drawing a realism painting.
But, once again since we live in the post-truth era, and the value of art and aesthetic is no longer hold straight, anything can be right; anything can be art, as long as there are people who agree :v
I don't know. I used to say the same thing, but i came across an "action painting" at an art gallery earlier this year and it made me feel something. When i looked at the title of the painting it somehow matched with what i felt. And instantly I wanted it. But of course too expensive.
It's worth considering that a lot of this abstract artwork sprouted during and after World War II and it's worth thinking about how this freedom of expression grew and was celebrated with the backdrop of the defeat of the Nazis, where such art would be deemed degenerate or a threat to dictatorial rule. So whether you like the art or not, the fact that it's protected free speech and people can pay for it is amazing and often taken for granted, much like our democracy.
Also never judge art through pixels, you'd be surprised by what artwork you will viscerally respond to in person.
haha lol, but still tho you can go ahead judge art in pixels because it does takes some hardwork into it. but dont buy it individualy like an "unreplaceable token" that would be be cost 200k to millions of dollar.
when comes to digital art, commisions is the right fit into it
@@hzuki155 what they mean by don't judge it in pixel is that traditional pieces don't translate 1:1 to digital, first it's a reflecting surface, not an emitting one, second paint have volume and lastly, different paint react differently to light, plus our camera and screen aren't representing 100% of the colors we see
The nazi's where defeated in 1945. No need to continue. And yes, Pollock was actually a CIA plot, no really, it was.
Modern art has more to do with breaking the human spirit, just like brutalism is.
Many modern artist can't paint what you ask them to. If you ask to paint a "realistic" picture of anything they fail. Your average sketch artist is better. Which means they are BAD at expressing themselves. Which is their main job.
Picasso is the only one I respect, because he chose to draw like a retarded 7 year old. And he could make "nice" paintings if he wanted to.
If you see a Rothko irl it's just... wow, you can literally just start to cry or been looking at the painting for like hours because it absorbs you... With the thing you mentioned about the WW2, the american abstract expresionism started at the same time and was "brother" of the european informalism, both were very personals movements, they just tried to represent their interior worlds because the exterior world after the WW2 was very dark and decadent (you can see that very well on the european informalism, check artist like Manolo Millares, Dubuffet, Antonio Saura or Tapies).
Sorry for my english jsjs I'm starting to speak this language and it's a little hard to me jsjs
walking into a dark room in a galary and seeing a rothko on the wall apparently makes people break down into tears just because there’s something about it. I really like rothko and hope i get to see his work in person some day. I don’t know how you could call a piece dumb or superficial if it causes emotional responses like that, right?
When a person puts Picasso into the category of "guys who can't paint so they did easy stuff" I hear them saying "I don't really grasp my subject matter."
Yeah I got pretty confused when he mentioned picasso 😂 While I can understand thinking Rothkos are simple (though I’d disagree), the Picasso piece was pretty complex and beautiful and I think most would agree
Also wasn’t there once a point where Picasso was drawing traditional art early in his career
@@levitheleviathan2792 yes, he was pretty good at it too. not sure how this guy didn't know that
i’m pretty sure there’s a story about how picasso finished a masterful oil painting in like 1 hour because one of his wives needed money or something. If you don’t know oil is super hard to work with especially in only an hour.
Yeah that's a usually dead giveaway that someone has not taken the time to fully research the artists he's using as an example lol
art is the manifestation of ones heart, not ones mind
-me, right now
Yes, a lot of today paintings are fake art, but Jackson Pollock abstract painting is powerful. You dont need express only through specific form.
To be fair, when you look at a ditigal photo of Pollocks work, it is so much more flat than in person, especially 1:22 it looks pretty 2 dimensional almost like a decorative pattern. But in person, its like your vision is completely surrounded by these shapes. I used to be neutral about abstract paintings but when I saw Pollocks work in person it was like watching little kites or fire flies flying around you and leaving traces in the air. I dont know how to describe it but something about the way the lines moved was so mesmorizing and thought provoking to me. Im not trying to sound pretentious but as a visual person I really enjoyed the experience and Im sure it has inspired a lot of non-abstract art as well.
That's a valid and very interesting point.
100 years later and people are gonna hate the art we have today.
No kidding, you don’t think NFT’s will hold up?
Of course, because we already hate the art we have today
Well, they'll hate our art because AI will generate art better than ourselves
They had to make sure everyone got into art school.
Yeah especially after ww2
"about the energy of the splashing lines of paint" No it isn't, it's a document of what happened on that occasion, when a human, his conscious and subconscious created a painting using that method, on that day, at that time.
there was this one painting that i learned about in school. you wanna know what the painting was? a dot. it could be any colour, just a dot.
and my teacher asked me what i felt about it and what i thought it expressed.
i felt that it was a lazy and meaningless piece of art - nobody is able to actually understand what it is supposedly about because it was just a plain circle on a large canvas.
Do you remember what the piece was titled or who made it? Im intrigued, sounds interesting.
@@whoare9201 I think he’s referring to the Blue Spot by Bernard Cohen, and yea like he said, it’s just a dot on a large canvas
@@boombox2ikik239 thank you. i believe it is impossible to create something that is meaningless, or to create without purpose, there is never just a dot. though if someone tries to create just a dot i would definitely be interested in what they create
@@whoare9201 agreed, there’s always something behind it, but I guess it all matters on how important one sees it as that works
@@boombox2ikik239 Yes, the something behind it is "easy money that idiots will lap up eagerly".
Your description says it all. Abstract expressionism is modern art. Not all modern art is abstract expressionism. "Modern art" began in the 1860's to about the 1970's. It is a huge field that encompasses more than just some artist flicking paint onto a canvass and selling it for a million dollars. It is odd to dislike something based on its sale price.
yeah I do nt like them too. My teacher forces me to draw like a toddler( like you just close your eyes and draw ) then draw an object middle it. When I paint and draw like that she said "You did not get the point of the painting, you have to draw again" When I hear I like want to blow up!!!! I have spend more than 3 hours to draw it and she just said that. Ugh!!! I am still furious about it.
Your title "Why I hate Modern Art", is false, you hate how much people want to pay for it. What you hate are people that value specific art you don't find meaning in that they are willing to pay 7 figures for that you can't. If you spent time to research why they pay this amount, how they can afford to do so and what the specific art means in the context of art history, the influence it had in moving art forward and how that impacts culture specifically in design, science, philosophy, religion, psychology, identity etc and also art as a store of value against the ever inflating dollar - losing buying power, then you might have a different perspective. It's fine to have an opinion, but it falls apart and becomes meaningless when it's born from ignorance.
im sure theres plenty of badly made tools that were designed to make tasks easier for normal people that are worth a lot of money because theyre 6000 years old, and hence have historical importance. its not even something specific to art, its almost nothing to do with art, its just history.
Honestly it's always "rich people bad, why they paying so much for these art pieces" because they have fucking value. If those things weren't valued at millions of dollars they would be treated with less care, imagine all the fossyls and old things that would've been destroyed cause "it's just old shit", their value protect them lol
And I find nothing wrong in billionaires using art as tax write offs, better that money goes into museums then the state
Not even worth it explaining it too this guy
@@necaacen still valuable tho as artefacts
@skin dot com not exactly, let's say you're a billionaire with companies facturing billions, you buy an art piece valued at 10 millions, then it's valued at 50 millions and you donate it to a museum: you have to pay 50 millions less in taxes, minus the 10 you spent means you get to keep 40 millions more than what you would've kept. It's an exageration and not all situation are like this but you get that it's a powerful tool to pay less taxes
Money laundering on the other hand, idk how it's done with art pieces, sure there's a way but it's not easy to pay millions of dollars with drug money
Unless you meant money laundering as the process of paying less taxes, which is not, it's legal (morally speaking you get to think whatever you like, it's just the way to get screwed less)
Hey man, I’m an artist and fine arts major who used to hate modern art until I took modern art history classes. The whole point of the modern art movement (except for Dada) was to find new meaning in art (other than god, king, and country). I fell in love with this style after I was educated on the subject and I’m sure you can too. There are a ton of inaccuracies in this video.
Do you think its a good thing that people try to wash modern and classical art together? They have entirely different reasons for why they are special, but I see that a lot of people want to see modern art the same way they do classical. For example if they say that an abstract art is as good as a Caravaggio piece,first it would make no sense, and second it would just make Caravaggio's art look worse, if we compare the two together. Many people today say that everything can be art, but doesn't that devaluate the works of people that actually put something great down on the table?
@@tamas9554 I think that’s the problem when it comes to people misunderstanding modern art. They compare it to art that falls under the classical ideal when it’s trying to do something completely different. I’ve noticed that if you take a movement that falls under modern art and you put it in the correct historical or ideological context, it clicks with people. About your second question, I think that’s describing post-modern art and I haven’t been able to buy into that. I really really dislike post-modern art and it seems like a lot of what people don’t like about modern art are things they are confusing with post-modern art.
Dada was the only good art movement, it embraced the shitposting nature of modern art instead of pretending to be high art.
@@FromHellDesigns Most likely they confuse the two, although I can't speak about it much myself, since we will only learn about modern art next year, and I don't think they teach post-modern art in middle school.
@@tamas9554 if you’re interested my professor put up all his lectures on RUclips during the pandemic. They are actually really entertaining. His channel is Art History with Travis Lee Clark and just go to his playlists and click on ARTH3120 Contemporary Art .
I don't consider myself a "Modern artist", 'cause I don't do that kind of art. I mostly just draw characters. I start off with sketches on physical paper, and then I take pictures of them and do them on my PC or phone. In a way I technically am a "Modern artist", but I really don't consider myself to be that kind of artist. I just draw whatever comes across my mind, in my very cartoony style.
It’s interesting , I went to an art museum and some paintings took a lot of realistic practice and one piece of art I saw was just a big blue square, no border or anything just a blue square and I guess at the time I was like , how is this art? How ?I just didn’t like it.But when I think back to it, considering it was the simplest thing in the art museum , I remembered that the most out of all the more detailed art I saw that day..I just kept thinking why a big blue square?
The others were good and all but I think sometimes that the simplest among all the hard work into other pieces was like a way of remembering how some of us do remember the simpler things rather than the more detailed and complex , it opens up more opinions and views , or maybe it was just meaningless?, this video is a good opinion on modern art, this was just my thought on it :)
And maybe a mix of very talented pieces can be in a room with one simple blank square
Omg I just finished my Art course in college and let me tell you, seeing artists like Jackson Pollock, Helen Frankethaler, Arshille Gorky, Mark Rothko during history class really changed my perspective in the stuff that I paint. Actually helped me be more expressive and 'loose'/gestural with my ideas. I have a really hard time at making abstract compositions (my mind cannot think of subject matter with no boundaries if that makes sense) and I take a lot of inspiration from Antony Gormley sometimes whenever I paint something for fun.
My art teacher is making us do an assignment where we need to put down 2 artists and 2 readings that inspire us and do 10+ sentences about why we chose it and how it inspires us. Now that wouldn’t be an issue if she didn’t limit who and what we’re allowed to be inspired by. She literally gave us 4 sources that we MUST use to choose our readings and artists.
Almost all the artists we were allowed to choose from only did modern art
Edit: I’m dropping out : )
If she didn't limit the sources some students might choose a very *interesting* artist. Then again she could just say to keep the artist somewhat normal or something like that.
@@midastanggiat2266 I wanted all of mine to be inspired by the pre Raphaelite and art nouveau style because it was more fun
@@cinderfox5217 well that actually is normal my first thought was you were gonna put in some R34 artist
@@midastanggiat2266 oh I see what you mean, the fanart creators ect.
I'm sorry to say this but you have a bad art teacher
The point of art is to express one's self using your own creative methods
Choosing what you get to ge inspired by is missing the whole point
Being an art teacher she should know this better than anyone
I once went to a museum and there was a dirty napkin being displayed as art..☠️☠️
When you said $140 million dollars for the no. 5 painting, that elicited a physical response from me.
I love abstract art, because of the way it shows expression. No i don’t like looking at random blobs on a canvas, but I like learning about the way things are expressed and learning from them. It doesn’t really have to be easy or hard, but just…. Expression.. basically, I’m a big nerd :)
Yes ! ! I love looking at all the details to see if there’s a bigger meaning or another painting entirely behind all those colors ! I also think it’s because my mind works like “pretty colors ? I like :)”
I agree. I don’t like when “abstract” is meant to mean art with no creativity or skill needed. The point is just that it doesn’t have any underlying meaning to it.
I like abstract art. I like expression in art. I HATE Abstract Expressionism with a fiery passion. I once got lost in the abstract expressionism wing of an art museum and the only feeling that welled up inside me on looking at those "masterpieces" was utter disgust and a desire to run out of the room to find the 'good art.'
Sorry but I don't know where you can add expressions through abstract arts? My 4 year old niece could draw this..
@@xunvenile I think they mean the expression shown thru the colors and intensity of the paint, like as if someone scribbled on a paper angrilly
2:02 It's not the painting you buy. It's the contract of being able to show people around and say "By the way, this is the [famous painting] by the great [famous painter]" and then seeing the admiration of the people, that feels good. Attaching ones name to something that society deems desirable. Lots of Girard in this...
I believe that these ‘artists’ use ways to earn profit by splattering paint on a canvas and doing random brush strokes without any knowledge of colour theory or practice of sketch. When you compare a contemporary piece with a rococo portrait, you could clearly see the difference of detail and effort. The past artists spent countless years onto creating spectacular and breathtaking artworks and it is quite depressing that art has devolved into these money-making unskilful ways.
I am not stating that every modern artwork are completely meaningless, some of the, has effort put in and is an abstract way of putting emotions into it. But what I find negative is that people have lost their creativity and the way they understand art. Now modern society believes artwork are random shapes, structures, and splashes of colour. What shocks me is that there was an empty canvas sold for $84,000.
Colescolor is the perfect representation of modern art
I got a few things from this.
1. You don't hate modern art, or any genre in particular, per se. You hate the commoditization of art and the ultra rich, not uncommon.
2. Placing the meaning of art in the work that precedes its existence is, in a sense, commodizing art, viewing it as a product rather than expression, that leads to:
3. The way someone is personally affected by a piece. You might not like Rothko's pieces, seeing it as streaks of paint, and that is ok, but i personally feel oddly subjugated by the sheer size of these bigger absurdist pieces, it all boils down to what it makes YOU feel. Not liking it because you get anything out of it is ok.
I don’t admire abstract and modern paintings because I see that most them lack fine details, story, and an interesting view to look at as other art/painting genres do. However, I have to say modern and abstract sculptures can be very impressive.
Yeah, definitely.
My bone to pick with modern/abstract art is that art for me is a craft; a very expressive craft with a wide variety but a craft nevertheless. The author is making something, be it a painting, a drawing, an architectural plan, a sculpture, some music; they're making SOMETHING.
And my thing with any craft is that I like to admire the work and effort, and the skill of the author. Like, you know that statue of the birdwoman that became the face of a urban legend on the internet? Yeah, I find that thing interesting as heck because the level of detail put into it and the skill needed to do it is incredible. Or, let's say, fursuits; as ridiculous as it is, it takes a lot of work to make one, and some people can make some REALLY impressive ones; the skill of the maker (which goes from sewing, to air brushing, painting, and in some cases even eletric work to wire LED just to mention a few things) and the effort put into making one of them make them fascinating just because of the craft of it.
And when I look at a lot abstract and modern art, more often than not I see some random thing that looks like something I would do when I was 5yo playing with paint. There's no craft, no skill, barely any effort; it's just a bunch of random shapes, or paint thrown at a canvas; that's not interesting, it's not admirable. I wouldn't spend more than 5 seconds looking at a pollock painting because that thing is so utterly boring and soulless, it's just paint thrown at a canvas with no significant pattern at all. I 100% would rather observe a cosplayer crafting their costume, because I find the effort they put into making the outfits and matching the details, as well as the final product of all that work, so much more fascinating than what many of these modern artists do. (And I'm not entirely convinced that a lot of these super expensive modern paintings aren't just super rich people using it as a scam to get a tax exemption)
@@gabrielabatista6016 I used to share a similar sentiment to this, the "my 8yo could do this" view. And don't get me wrong, technical ability is a big factor in my appreciation of a piece. But, two things. First, a lot of modern art that looks like it isnt much, is much. Take Barnett Newman's "Who's Afraid of Red, Yellow, And Blue? III", which consists of three solid colors rectangles. Museum visitors to where the piece was held filed lengthy complaints about why they hated it, and it was eventually attacked and slashed with a boxcutter- very strong emotional reactions for a "boring" and "soulless" piece. Not to mention after it's destruction, restoration efforts failed to repair the red rectangle. The paint was filled back in, but something, some subtly which Newman achieved in the weeks he spent creating the piece, was unable to be recreated. It was more than just some blobs. Similarly, Rothko's work contains a very technically impressive understanding and application of paint.
Second, and what I asked myself that led me out of the "my 8yo could do this" perspective is, why does it matter? If someone produces a painting and it brings me to tears, what difference does it make that it was created through months of delicate procedure by a master, or in five minutes by an amateur? My reaction is not invalidated by someone's perceived skill or care. Furthermore, as I became more interested and looked into the background and meaning of popular abstract pieces I reflected back on famous pieces that were not modern abstraction, where I realized I was just as clueless as I was to Rothko. I can identify that in the Mona Lisa there is a woman, but there is surely much more I do not know simply by identifying the literal subjects. In the case of modern abstraction, there is as well, much I do not know.
Apologies that this is a little long, and if it comes across as rude. I find this a very interesting topic as a person who shifted from the perspective that this stuff isn't even art to anything is art. Oh and, fursuits are pretty cool uwu
Abstract sculpture is cool not abstract art
@@xefei abstract sculpture is abstract art
3:16 I didn't know that the spanish flag was exposed in a museum...
I like art that is recognizable. Proportions sometimes doesn't matter
Throwing shit at the wall is equivalent to modern art
I don't like abstract art either, I never really understood it, but I wouldn't fault others for liking or finding it appealing. But I wouldn't make any arguements to defend myself other than just, 'not my cup of tea' and therefore you won't be able to convince me to like it.
I like your point of an art form that was made so anyone could enjoy being once again monopolized by the rich, but perhaps you put a little too much time into saying 'anyone could do this' than many disagreed with you.
there are two points to distinguish art from scam
1. if you were given all the required items, colors, materials; could you do roughly the same yourself?
2. if you were given a chainsaw, a baseball bat, a knife or just a dart; would it be possible to essentially worse the art piece or would it roughly look the same?
If you told people hyping up a poor or simple or easy piece to pays thousands for it, would they do it or would they suddenly change their tune? If you let people choose one piece to have, a simple modern one or a realistic landscape, which would most people choose?
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c it doesn’t matter if someone else could come along and copy the artwork later, because they didn’t come up with the idea and create it in the first place. Artists express their original ideas and intentions through artworks. I’ve seen plenty of people say Rothko’s works are just rectangles, but did you realize he mixed those colours accord to his imagination, with the goal to elicit an emotional reaction from the viewer in response to the depth, purity, etc of the colours?
Those are not modern art, those are scribbles of chaos
I once saw a toilet being sold as art. It costed 10,000 pounds
3:40
me: hmm yes, more impressive than the previous pieces shown
I don’t agree. You’re complaining about elitism, then saying arts only worth something if it took years of practice. I respect your opinion but that sounds pretty elitist to me 😂
And he acts like painters like pollock, rothko didn't have years of practice before they went abstract
Yessss
If you want a modern abstract beauty may I direct you to ENA by JOEL GUERRA CASTIO
@@Barakon i LOVE ENA, it is not abstract, it is surreal. Abstract is usually something without narrative, ENA has a narrative.
@@coldjune_parallax I’d say it’s both :)
I am not going to go to a museum and pay to look at something I can probably make
Personally I can’t care how the art looks quality wise, but there has to be a story or motivation. You can’t just make the piece and THEN put a meaning to it. There has to be a reason behind the creation. That’s art.