Why did Lyme not volunteer for the 75th Hunger Games?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Hi friends! This week we look at the 75th Hunger Games, and specifically the tributes from District 2!
District 2 is a career district, and therefore had multiple victors to choose from for the Hunger Games. Enobaria ends up being the female tribute, going in against Katniss and the rebels. However, the rebels had a female victor form District 2 on their side, Commander Lyme. So how come she didn't volunteer to go into the arena?
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I also think that if Lyme went into the Hunger Games the capitol might get suspicious of a rebel alliance. Because all of Katniss’ allies made sense to what she was doing before the games. (Peeta was her “boyfriend”, she talked to Finnick a bunch during training and the parade, Johanna was Finnick’s ally, and Katniss wanted Wiress and Beetee.) I think it would raise suspicion that a career would ally with someone from district 12. Especially that they are all victors and they all new each other except Katniss and Peeta because they had just won the games before. Just a theory, I love your Channel and wait all week for new Hunger Games videos!
you’re leaving out one issue, technically speaking finnicks a career. career districts are 1, 2 and 4 as said in the books, maybe less in the movies
@@isaacmccall7162true, but you also need to consider, the tributes are monitored. And Katniss wanted Mags. So her allying herself with the one person who cares about the woman still makes sense to the capitol.
And at some point having too many allies in itself would be suspicious. Most of the tributes hanging around not killing each other and clearly stalling for time might get the Capitol thinking about a possible plot going on. Especially if they keep being able to survive the game maker traps.
Lyme may have suffered PTSD by the capitol bullying her family or something and then switched to the rebels. I’m honestly surprised there is not more tributes like her who just hate the capitol.
Probably because most are used to it. After more than 70 Hunger Games it would just be as normal as waking up for lots of people.
There were. At the beginning of catching fire 41 of the victors were still alive, 18 died in the arena. A majority of the remaining victors were brought to the capital in between catching fire and mockingjay where all the rebel sympathizers were executed with the exception of Peeta, Annie, and Johanna. The rest of the victors were killed by the rebels for supporting the capital. This is why there are only 7 living victors at the end of mockingjay
@@potatopockets4980so the others were killed. What about the deleted scene in the movie? Victors purge?
It’s possible there is more victors who hate the capital but want to be left out completely. I know myself and I can say with an outside viewpoint that I would not want to make any waves in the slightest. That’s just me tho
I feel like we need to learn more about some of the more minor characters, it would be cool if we learned a bit more about the star squad, some of the victors and tributes.
IKRR SO MUCH Katniss is very unobservant
@@hf4189 But also, in the books and movie it is from her POV and especially after the first games she has horrible memories and stuff so she can't focus on other stuff and in Mockingjay, she has to really focus on getting through the Capital, (and Peeta) and can't do much else.
It's fan fiction but I'm sure most people know about Christian Blanco's games
@@rex8329 Yes.
Maybe I would want to know more about madge and gale
I think she didn’t volunteer because she was the leader of the district and she couldn’t exactly leave her position I think and she is a rebel leader so it could have all been a part of Plutarch’s plan for her not to go in unless she got reaped
Well, maybe they forgot about her or faked her own death or something quoting Beetee "There is always a flaw in the system."
Wait I thought Enobaria was one of 7 living victors who voted for what was supposed to be the Capitol games for the Capitol's children.
Yes, but she wasn't part of the rebel plan, she was taken to district 13 later in the war. So she didn't know anything about it
@@AdrianMartinez-qx8wl If you read the description, it implies she died. (Which she definitely did not because the voting took place just before what was originally Snow's assassination by Katniss but ended up being Coin's and Snow died in (possibly not due to) the aftermath of Coin's death)
Sagrika Chahal no it just says that she was against the rebels which she was but that doesn’t mean she died
@@Gummyz25 So it probably was changed then because when I first saw the description (over 2 hours ago) it initially implied that. And @ElefontGaming, who also posted their comment about the same time as my original backs this up.
Here's the thing. We know Lyme dies because besides her never appearing again and implying she died, she isn't in the vote for if there would be a symbolic hunger games. You might say that she wasn't able to attend the meeting in-person, but then why didn't she call them to be in the meeting, or set up something so that she can attend which the nation is definitely advanced enough for. So she didn't join the meeting but what if she was just busy. Well coin says that the group is "the 7 surviving victors. The victors that are alive if we count Lyme are (Lyme, Annie, Katniss, enobaria, Johanna, Peeta, beetee, and finally haymitch). THATS EIGHT. Even if she couldn't come why would she say only 7 victors are left alive. Because she died during the battle of district 2 or later. Can anyone tell me if I missed anything or if my theory is faulty
I've always wondered what happened to Lyme. She wasn't in the scene where the remaining victors vote wheatear or not they should have symbolic Hunger Games, but we never heard of her death...
Also, I think that she was needed outside the Arena, so going to the games would be a huge risk. And considering that she was on the rebel side, she probably wasn't eager to go back like Brutus or Enobaria.
Maybe Lyme didn't volunteered because she has a school to run and Wednesday enrolled there.
That or she was fighting bears.
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Maybe Commander Lyme mentored Cato and tried to get him to turn against the capitol but he didn't believe her until after Clove died
I’m pretty sure that might not be the case.
I would think that the female victor mentors the female tribute and Vice versa for the males
@@roses2122 That's almost definitely not the case. We know that Mags mentored several male victors, so Lyme definitely could've mentored Cato.
Theory idea: why did haymitch want katniss and Peeta to act friendly together before peeta confessed his love for her? Did he know before hand?
From the beginning, peeta always wanted to help katniss win the games. I think he probably told haymitch about this, and so haymitch figured the best way to go about making sure katniss won was to present them as a team
in the books Peeta helped Haymitch get washed on the train after being very drunk. It's speculated that Peeta told him then.
@@MrBraders101 I don’t know about right then. He was so drunk he probably wouldn’t have remembered what happened
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He also wanted to protect them from being sex-trafficked afterward. If he could sell that they were in love, maybe they’d be exempt from being sex slaves afterward cause the capitol loves the love story
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Video ideas (I love your videos ♥︎):
What would happen if wiress didn’t figure out the arena was a clock.
What would happen if Johanna, wiress and beetee had died in the blood rain.
What would have happened if the careers attack was successful (75th)
What would happen if snow killed Gale in catching fire
I actually wonder what the blood rain was for. I mean, yeah, it’s horrible, but all that really happens to Johanna, Beetee and Wiress is they get covered in blood. And, yeah, Blight dies from the forcefield, but that’s only because they just happened to be right near it when the rain started. It’s pretty badly designed on the Gamemakers’ parts, because it doesn’t really mentally damage any of them like the Jabberjays did either. Johanna seems the same as normal, and Beetee’s problem was he was stabbed in the bloodbath (not the blood rain, the cornucopia bit) and Wiress was in shock (understandably) from being in the games again. Also, whose blood did they use? Avoxes, maybe, but that would be a waste of servants (I’m not cruel, by the way, I’m trying to see thing from the Capitol’s perspective) and you’d need to kill a load of people to get enough blood for a thunderstorm. Also, it’s the Games, they could probably resort to drinking the blood and not die of thirst. Did they make it artificially? Or would that just ruin the effect of having blood raining from the sky, like, ‘Yeah, but it’s not _real_ blood.’?
I don’t understand.
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 I personally believe the Game Makers collected the blood of the lifestock in District 10. As the Games are always planned long beforehand, there would have been enough time to do so. I think at one point Finnick points out that the tributes die way faster than usual in the games so the Game Makers did not need to much blood if the games are only supposed to last not even a week. I am not exactly sure though wthat the purpose of the blood rain was. The Game Makers could just have gone for the shock factor in audience and tributes alike. The tributes in the arena would have to deal with deal emotional impact of the blood raining on them and the disappointment there was no visible source of water and also none from above. Even if you are in big need to find something to drink the thought of going for blood will probably disgust people even in the arena. By the time they might have figured out that this mitght be a source of liquid, the blood already vanished due to a super soaking ground and self cleaning plants maybe. It is also possible the blood rain was used as a tool to get the tributes into the next sector where something deadly awaited them when they were disoriented.
@@theresaalbert3915 That’s a lot of good points. I didn’t think of it being animal blood. And also the idea of forcing the tributes into the next wedge kind of reminds me of that part in Mockingjay when Katniss, Gale and Beetee are talking about traps, and they mention one that frightens the victim away from one area into another where the real danger awaits them.
I wonder how much of the plan the tributes knew? That coil was a pretty big ass thing to carry around and it didn't appear to me that Beete was injured at that point. (a knife in the back) and if Beette was with them in the bloodbath, he would have noticed the forcefield.
Well I'm sure it's not very pleasing to have blood raining down on you lol. @@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108
Great video as always! My more lazy theory for this is that the plan to free the Mockingjay was not yet set into place, or of widespread knowledge amongst the rebels by the time of the 3rd QQ reaping. Though Plutarch had the concept of the plan by the end of Katniss and Peeta's Victory Tour, I doubt that a full fledged orchestration was shared outside of select few victors like Beetee, Haymitch, Johanna, and Finnick. Due to its secrecy, I'd bet that the other rebel sympathizing tributes like Chaff and the Morphlings were only let in on the plan soon before going into the arena. I can't think of a way Plutarch would even communicate with victors like Lyme during a victor induced semi-revolution without rousing suspicion and thus compromising the entire mission. I know the victors have phones in their houses unlike common citizens, but they're most likely tapped. I welcome any contrary arguments to this theory :)
I also believe that the risk of being reaped with a district partner that is very pro capitol could have been on of the reasons why she didn't want to volunteer. It's likely she would have to partner up with her district partner and it would have been to much of a risk for her.
wait I just realized somethin why wasn't Lyme in the post war meeting where they voted for the 76th hunger games? wasn't she a victor.
Maybe she died?
Wait... yea idk why
@@marrzz__7696 that maybe it but it was never mentioned in the books or the movies
She was either a victim of the victors purge or she was killed in battle, all the tributes that were in the voting were the only ones left
@@dantegarcia4170 I think she had scenes after the victors purge so I don’t think it’s so
Or maybe she didn't believed in the cause of the mockingjay movement until the events of Catching Fire unfolded.
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I wouldn’t be shocked that if she was put into the games again the Capital would turn up the mutts to 11 to kill her quickly, seeing as how they were using that years game to kill off dangerous tributes. I also wonder if she had been picked, would Enobaria have volunteered?
Can you do how would the games have gone if clove didn’t give katniss that knife during the blood bath bc she couldn’t have cut down the hacker jackers
Maybe Rue, seeing Katniss didn’t have a knife, would give her her sharp bit of rock that she was using as a knife.
It could be possible that Lyme tried to convince the district 2 tributes after the reaping, but was unsuccessful, but by that time it was too late to volunteer
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even though they aren’t about it lol
It is unlikely that many of the past victors volunteered because at the end of the interviews all of them United in wanting the third quarter quell to stop
Also it would look really suspicious if one of the career tributes killed the other careers, since they always team up together
Actually I'd see it as normal. Only one can win after all and as people drop the more likely alliances will break.
I think they usually split up at the end of the Games so it probably wouldn't look that suspicious.
Cato is such an interesting character
Wait enobaria doesn’t die
No... when she comes out of the arena, she goes to the capitol then the capitol let's her go home to D2. Then she joins the rebels.
@@Mystix_x No... she got taken to D13(after being captured by the Capital) and then to the Capital to vote for the games with the Capital children.
@@averyt16 No, she was the only victor taken from the arena who wasn’t rescued by the rebels. She never joins the rebels, but Katniss’s deal with Coin means the rebels don’t kill her, and she was one of the Capitol favourites. She was in the Capitol for the entirety of Mockingjay.
Wooo! Good video idea!
Glad you think so!
If I were a victor, I would be SO ANGRY at Snow and the whole Capitol because if you are a victor, you were promised that you didnt have to be in the games ever again
I see youve taken many hits to the face.
So, basically... movie Johanna?
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I think the rebellion wanted her on the outside of the games. She probably did have pstd.
Why did Katniss get chosen as the Mockingjay? By the way I love all of your videos, they are Amazing!!!!
First of all, the mockingjays were created by chance, they are a cross between Jabberjays that turned out to be a cheek to the face of the Capitol during dark days, with blackbirds. Katniss had a strong bond with the mockingjays because of her father. Familiarity with Rue and the mockingjay brooch contributed to the popularization of this symbol. It was used not only by the rebels but also by the people in the Capitol, which made Snow furious. Katniss, like the mockingjay, became a symbol, the girl who challenged the Capitol and then brought the Capitol to its knees.
I know why.
Duh- cuz she doesn’t wanna go back in the arena
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Also could you maybe do a what if katniss and peeta never Allied with the other victors in caching fire (Johanna, beetee, finnick, etc)
OR
how did other victors original readings happen like Finnciks. I really enjoyed that video 😁 maybe mags or Johanna? It would probably be more interesting with mags or a career though.
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How do we know Lyme was a previous victor? How did I miss that?!!
Katniss said it in Mockingjay- the book.
Can you do a character spotlight on enobaria?
Id like to know more about lyme, what made a career tribute join the rebels?
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Rebellion or not, if I'd survived that hell to become a Victor I wouldn't have volunteered to go back in. I wouldn't have believed the rebels would have been able to get me out before I had to kill someone or gotten killed myself.
District 2 would always put their best foot forward. They decided beforehand that Enobaria would be in the games probably because they deemed her as the best at combat, and deemed Lyme as the better commander.
Can you imagine the older less agile Lyme in the games and Enobaria as the commander?
Loved the video . Lyme is such a good character ... I´d like to see more of her ! Btw, are you still making videos ?
I’m honestly not sure. I reckon Lyme tried to mentor. I think in a sense that Lyme is like Katniss and she probably had a younger sibling but this time I reckon Lyme’s Games were close to horrific and the Capitol probably killed or tortured or took advantage of her and her family. Do you know if they have any other TV shows in Panem. For example ones where there are Capitol contestants and kids (or adults) don’t have to kill each other? I know there is sometimes mandatory viewing like The Hunger Games or severe breaking news.
Same theory here.She wouldn’t be that scared of the games,only scared for her loved ones
To be honest she might be scared of the Games but you’re right: her worry for her family would override the worry for the games.
I think Katniss mentiones on her first trip to the arena that there are reanactments of previos Hunger Games in the preserved arenas. So maybe these reenactments of previous games are broadcastet sometimes. I could also imagine there being talent shows similar to those on TV today, for example to gather future stylists. As Panem is clearly based on the Roman society, there might also be similar entertainments like chariot races, maybe mixed with something typically American like rodeo. I could also imagine there being quite a number of "historical" movies that show why the Capitol is right to do what ever they want to the Districts and what a great and wonderful country Panem is. And in between there are plain propaganda spots.
Thanks for replying! Your idea seems the most likely and reasonable. 🙂
Capitol tennis, it takes place right after the hunger games and is nowhere near as popular
Can you do a couple videos on the Divergent series
i loved this videooooo
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If Lyme was a Hunger Games victor, are we to assume she died during the Rebellion since she wasn't present at the table of the remaining victors? If yes, how did she die?
She likely died in battle
Because enobaria raised hand faster than lyme?
Wow how am I so early
If Lyme had volunteered for the games, I don't think the rebels would have taken district 2 so easily. Cuz based on the circumstances of the rebellion and victors purge, who else had the military tactical skill and leadership to lead a rebellion in the most Capitol friendly district? Lyme even stated in Mockingjay that her troops suffered several casualties trying to take over the Nut. All she could do was secure the outer villages of 2. And plus, she was probably the last living district 2 victor other than Enobaria before her death cuz Betee stated that the victors who allied with the rebels or the Capitol were all dead. Even Katniss was surprised that Lyme wasn't at the meeting for the final hunger games. Also, if Lyme volunteered, she'd have to do with this question and decision: do I ally with with my fellow careers who are a brainwashed Brutus and two siblings who would do anything to protect the other, all of whom are Capitol pawns to the very end? Or help my peer Haymitch by allying with the face of the rebellion in fire girl, lover boy, a handsome Capitol sex slave, an abrasive young woman, and two of the most brilliant Victors in hunger games history?
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I think Lyme pretended to like the games or she liked the games but she hated the games after she won
could you do a character spotlight on enobaria if you haven't already?
district 2 weren't rebelling until after the 75th hunger games so and rebels would of never risked telling district 2 about the rebellion since they were the only district who sided with the capitol in the first war. so she may never of new about anything and did not want to compete in the hunger games again like most victors also didn't want to.
A rebellion like this would have taken years to build up, many of the underground rebels we meet would’ve been a part of the rebellion for years
How did THE distric 13 Contact plutarc and haymaitch
I thought she didn't know about the rebel plan or during the reaping a female tribute volunteered which would have been Enobaria
Video idea: why doesn’t anybody (especially in the Capitol) have mobile tech like smartphones, smart watches, etc. like we have now?
It seems like an intentional regression. After all, in the 10th games the mentors have communicuffs, which seem like large smart watches. I’m not surprised at all that there’s no personal smart tech in the districts, that seems obvious. But I’m surprised there’s no mention of personal smart tech in the prequel, especially since Snow was among the richest people in the Capitol. He at least should have seen other people using smartphones, smart watches, etc. And a lack of these devices if his peers have them would be a dead giveaway that he is secretly very poor.
Perhaps eradicating mobile tech is a way to make the population easier to control since they can’t communicate as easily? Even in the Capitol.
Nice! This became a video!
I don’t think Lyme needed to be a mentor. District 2 had many victors both before and after her that could mentor the tributes every year.
Does, or did, Lyme have kids? If the Capitol had threatened, or already killed, Lyme's kids, that would mess any parent up.
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Maybe she was chosen and Enobaria volunteered instead of her
maybe she was reaped and enoparia volentred
Question- do you think someone who's not of reaping age can volunteer or no?
No, they aren't even required to attend the reaping if they are not 12-18.
do you think the richer districts like 1and 2 and the capitol would have had phones or not
i have the sequel book but i haven’t read it so don’t spoil it pls
@@thegamingbadger6515 Hej, I haven't read the book yet either, so don't worry :-) Personally I believe that the mayors and their closest collegues of every district have such a device to be available in case of an emergency. The general population surely has nothing like this because it would make connection too easy. Maybe some high ranked people in the carreer districts are also trusted with something like a phone but they are surely strictly spyed on.
People in the Capitol surely have phones. Considering how much attention they pay to their life style and appearance, it would be strange if they did have the opportunity to show off. Also the Capitol is quite advanced in technology so even around the time of the 10th Hunger Games, they should be about where we are now. But even the phones of the Capitol Citizens were supervised and there surely are a lot of people busy filtering all the data just to make sure there is no uprising in the making.
These are just my theories but I hope you find them interesting and helpful. Enjoy reading the Prequel, if you're planning to do it :-)
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Well no one volunteered for Enobaria so maybe the victors of 2 (other than Brutus) don’t like the Capitol
Most of the victors of district 2 love the games they just didn't feel like going back
Becauses no.
What games did she win ?
51 I think
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Uh, who's Lyme?
It's explained in the video!
Cato's ending is so interesting