After watching too many videos to try to understand LFE configurations, this is the first that kept it short, to the point and in plain English. Thank you.
Please listen to the entire video. I had bass issues until I finally understood what the LFE settings were on the receiver. You can do all of the room treatment in the world, subwoofer placement, bass adjustments on the sub. But if you don't understand the LFE sittings on your receiver, you just won't have the optimal bass. Either too much (boomy) or too little. (thin)
Great job I just finished setting up my system and running all the speaker wire (12 gauge) and I’m very happy and was glad to see you saying things I did. I have a Sony A90J and a Denon 3700H receiver. I have two Klipsch RP-8000F Towers along with two Dolby atoms R-41sa’s up on the wall on either side of the screen. I’m currently using the TV as a temporary center channel until I get my dedicated center speaker. Finally I have two RP-600m bookshelf speakers as the rear surround speakers. I set all the speakers to small and then set the crossovers to 20 above the frequency response and I’m using LFE + main. I’m still tinkering but it’s sounding pretty good so far.
Really good video Gene. However you specifically ask for comments (which is good for RUclips algorithms) but I’m not seeing very many answers from you to questions. There are a lot of decent questions I wish I could read your response to as you are a brilliant guy. More cowbell please:-) aka more answers please
My 5.1 system is only used for multichannel cinema content - as such, I always keep my front Polk RTi12 towers to 60Hz because they're huge and I want them to be able to "flex their muscles" a little alongside my sub. The other channels - center and in-ceiling surrounds - are kept at 80, with LPF of LFE on 120Hz. I have always kept Double Bass off (with Onkyo AVRs) and used LFE (with my current Denon), not LFE + Main.
I like your T-shirt sir, besides as always loving the content and everything that you do in the AV world for us enthusiasts! In my personal opinion, it is safe to say that you are the beating heart of the AV consumer product reviews!
Perfect explanation/clarification! I like that you also talked about lowering the crossover, and when multi-sub is done properly is not the way to go. I did however do this when running a single sub to help with localization, lowered to 60 Hz and it seemed to smooth things out a bit.
@@xavdeman But that is wrong. If you set your speakers to 80 you need to set the crossover to 80 as well. Otherwise you have a large gap of 20 hz between where the sub starts to roll off too early and your mains only go down to 80hz. The subwoofer crossover MUST match the cutoff range of your mains. You lose a lot of bass energy with that gap. 80 Hz is my cutoff too for subwoofers. Although some people argue you should set them to 120hz, which is imo way too high and makes the subwoofer easily "visible" to my ears. You should never be able to localize the subwoofer. That only means its placed vey badly or the crossover setting is too high.
@@Cenkolino There is no serious main speaker made in the last decade that 'cuts off' above 60Hz. You can easily set the crossover to 60Hz, or even 40Hz (of course you limit the dynamic range somewhat because mains won't play as loud at 40 Hz as your subwoofer but most people don't listen at 100dB all the time anyway).
Hi Gene that is great clarification 👍 I know your busy , but can you a video on avr's and connecting to amplifier and how to set them both. If you have the time. Thanks Gene keep it up .
I have an older Denon 3805 I am still rocking. If I set the front to Large and sub to LFE, i DO get bass from the sub? Changing to LFE plus Main doesn’t seem to change anything. FYI I am speaking for 2 channel music. Am I crazy? Not that it should matter but speakers are Psb status gold sub svs pc13ultra….
Hello, thank you for the video. Question, I have the Bower & Wilkins ASW608WH 8" subwoofer. The question is, I can barely tell I have a subwoofer working. I have it setup with my 9.1 Atmos surround system, but for the life of me I can't get that deep base. Do I have the wrong subwoofer (space is an issue is why I have the 8")? I have the B&W series 700 center channel and bookshelf speakers followed up with 6 of the B&W M1 speakers all running off my Denon 11.2 receiver. I was playing an Allman Brothers bluray DVD called All My Friends and I had great sound through the speakers, but barely anything from the subwoofer. Then when I started playing with the dials in the back of the sub, all I was really getting was static and a weird cracking sound. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
I have a 7.2 Yamaha RX-V665 A/V receiver with a 7.1 Klipsch Synergy speaker system with F3s being the main front speakers. I purchased the system in 2012 and it is still going strong. The receiver has a 2 channel mode for listening to music but I never use it. I use the 7 channel Enhancer mode for music and movies. I always use the YPAO Optimizing mic for calibration of my speakers and sub. It seems to work for me and the easiest way to do it. I set the mic on a tripod and placed it in my listening seat at ear level. I also did the subwoofer crawl for my sub. But this was a nice video with lots of good info.
I was literally just doing a Google search for this very topic! Your video popped up. I'm running my large tower mains as full range. For two reasons....one , audyssey keeps setting my mains as full range. Two....it just sounds better to me. Lol! Anyways I was looking for an answer as to what to do with the settings. Your advice to run bass management, LFE+Mains sounds good to me. Thank you so much 🙂
I'm still confused. If your subwoofer crossover is set to 80Hz and the typical LFE (Low Frequency Effects) are coming out as 120Hz or less... how does the LFE properly come across when the subwoofer is ONLY taking on 80Hz or less?
I guess you will have to set both high pass for your mains and low pass for your sub at 120Hz then, if you favor 120Hz LFE from your sub rather than "regular" 120Hz from your mains.
This information made me subscribe to your channel. I've been watching you for a while, but this question was always on my mind. I have a pair of vintage ADS 1980 loud speakers a huge woofer and 2 tweeters. I love the full sound of the speaker set to large in 2 channel audio but I was running them small with 2 subs. My Yamaha v6a has the extra bass feature which I love, but until you recommend that I use the extra bass feature I was reluctant to use it. Thanks for the info you gain a new subscriber. You guys rock.
As someone who runs DefTech BP9080x's for LCR and BP8060's for Rear L&R with x2 HSU VTF-15H Mk2's this is exactly what I've been looking for! I could never find information where someone clarified this specific setup until now and it turns out I setup mine correctly at least for LFE+Main :P Thanks!
Thank you, Gene! For your comments about running large speakers full range. I have very large towers for my front mains, and mid size towers for my surrounds. I like to run both the front L/R and surrounds full range because I only have one sub(on the front wall by the mains). I can hear tremendous bass coming from my front L/R speakers and also from the surrounds behind me. If I crossed those speakers over at 80Hz, I would lose a lot of that and all that bass would be coming from my one sub. Now, before you tell me to run more subs, know that this system is in our family room and I am doing well from a WAF factor to have even my one sub. Of course, I am sending the LFE channel to the sub. I have experimented with my center speaker( which is pretty good sized) between setting it to LARGE and SMALL, but I have not yet settled on a preference.
Wrong , If you set your front speakers to large and use the LFE + Main setting your front speakers get the full range regardless of crossover setting . You set the crossover of the front speakers to 80HZ then the sub will play everything below 80Hz . Your fronts will still get the full range .
Great Video ! According to all details ( In video and replies ) I'm a bit confused. Can you please explain in SIMPLE WORDS what is : LFE+MAIN or LFE , When to use each of them ? Thanks.
80Hz was the way to go for all of my past setups but there's a clear difference on my current one with 50Hz sounding a lot fuller. The problem is I'll listen to music for 15-20 minutes or be half way through a movie sometimes and realize I didn't even even turn on the amp for my subs. My floor speakers are all Solstice "DIY" speakers from PE set to small.
hi , im using this setup . i find it better to set towers to large and lfe+main. the bass is louder n better, its like having multiple sub pumping at your face.
Have have the Denon AVR-X3700H, I am running 11ch, I purchased the 5ch Rotel 1585 External Amplifier, Off the External amplifier am running my Center speaker, My front LR and my Front LR Surrounds, I notice in my Pre out section I only see The from LR speakers highlighted Preout not my Center and from Surrounds speakers, Not sure what am doing wrong.
That set of settings is allowed, but results in no difference from "LFE" only. "LFE + Main" only routes additional bass signal (a copy) to the sub from speakers set to Large (generally the L/R in actual practice).
@@ShamuXEagleDriver That's what I always thought, and if it is in fact accurate, then I think Denon should design it so that LFE+Main is un-selectable when all speakers are set to small.
@@ThunderStruckMTB your are absolutely right! When setting all speakers to small, there is no point keeping the subwoofer mode selectable as LFE or LFE+Main!! -It's just meaningless. Denon/marantz definitely should modify the setting through a firmware update.
Thx Gene, I'm still running an Old Onkyo HT-RC430 1080P, and it displays LFE+Main as Double Bass and in the manual doesn't really explain what to do and how to set it, so thank you for this explanation. I watched this other video where this guy explains how to set the crossover in your AV receiver and the crossover on the sub itself. He said some interesting things like how you don't want them set the same. I know I got some old ass equipment but my TV still works great, I can't wait to upgrade though but I'll wait till it totally dies.
Thanks for the video. I have a Yamaha RXA-3080 I use with my Klipsch front main towers that can go down to 32 HZ along with a Klipsch center channel, Klipsch 14 inch sub woofer and rear surround speakers. So for multi channel playback with the Yamaha AV I have set all my speakers to small with a crossover of 80 HZ and I set the sub woofer to LFE. When I want to use 2 channel playback from my turntable and cd player I use the front pre-amp jacks connected to my 2 channel Mcintosh MAC-7200 that is actually connected to my Klipsch front main towers and I use a different Klipsch 15 inch sub woofer where I do not use the LFE setting but rather I set the crossover to 45 HZ. The Mcintosh has a home theater pass thru function and this allows me to share the front main towers with both receivers. When I want to watch movies or listen to multi channel audio I turn on the Yamaha which is connected to the Mcintosh with a trigger cable and both receivers power on and the Yamaha powers all the speakers except the front mains where the Mcintosh handles them. When I want to playback 2 channel music only I just turn on the Mcintosh by itself and it only drives the front mains from 45 Hz and above and the 14 inch subwoofer handles all the bass below 45 HZ. This setup is more expensive but I find it to work so much better because AV receivers cannot match the 2 channel playback of a dedicated 2 channel amp like the Mcintosh MAC 7200.
Hey Gene, I’ve followed the site and RUclips channel for years now and I’ve found that even when I’ve used full range towers, some with integrated powered subs, for home theater crossing everything over in my specific room sounds best at 80hz. I’m currently using Mirage HDT-F’s for LCR and HDT surrounds with 4 Mirage OMD-5’s for heights. My subs consist of a pair of Mirage BPS-400’s and SVS SB1000’s in an L shaped room. Using REW and MiniDSP 2x4HD I’ve been able to determine 80hz is indeed the optimal crossover setting and have -/+2dB from 17hz-180hz. Your videos pertaining to multisub setup and the series you did on bass with Anthony Gramaini were instrumental in getting me to where I am today! Keep it up man!
Thanks Gene.....My Yamaha YPAO RX-v479 changes the speaker settings on my Klipsch towers to large and bookshelf surrounds to large but leaves the center Klipsch to small. Sets the crossover to 100 and places my SB3000 18 feet away. Sub is actually about 14 feet. Weird. so I changed the speakers all to small but did not change anything else. I'm just starting to learn REW to further fine tune the bass and find your videos super informative. Thanks again.
I am using my sub on a 2 channel system (only) and the bass that I enjoy is only a helper to reach down that 1 octave. The speakers I have do not have so much energy below 50Hz even tho they are rated for 40Hz My room is 20ft deep and 12 feet W. by 8ft. My experience has been that when I added the sub, my high frequency improved in clarity and fullness.
The only video giving you precise answer to a precise question... Loved it. I've boggled with this setting (sub/main, main, sub) on my sony avr for 3 years and now I know what i want to do with it. Which is, all speakers SMALL 80Hz crossover and Sub/Main.
Gene, Grazie mille!. Much appreciate your expertise. It has been very helpful with finishing of basement. I added in wiring for four subs, two front two back per your recommendations. For now I plan to "decouple"the subs of my Def-Tech towers running them + the rear subs, Velodyne through a Mini DSP for bass management. Again, Thank you.
Appreciate you Gene! I've got a pair of REL T9X's arriving in a couple days....Psyched to integrate them into my system. B&W 803's in the front (set to large) and 805's in the rear (set to small)...Rotel 1095 multi channel power amp with a Marantz AV7703 processer. I'll hook up the RELs with the High Lever connection to the Mains connection on the ROTEL....LFE to the Marantz....after properly breaking them in I can't wait to listen to my Genesis SACD's with that house shaking low extension bass pedals!....if you ever get to the SF area, LMK...we'll go to gym and lift, come home and grill some steaks and listen to Peter G. and the boys.....cheers.
Hello! Thanks for the video. I have Dali zensor 7 and also Dali vokal centre speakers. I just bought a Dali E12 subwoofer. Should I set all speakers to small and crossover set at 80 on the receiver and on the subwoofer? Thanks!
Question: since you are setting speakers to small, does it make sense to buy a larger bookshelf or smaller towers that are 2.5 way for your main speaker? I only listen to movies and it seems a waste to buy $5-$8k towers of youbare just going to set them up as small
Regarding using Sub in Stereo , Tried to add a sub to hear Bass from it instead of the main speakers (LFE) , Because of smaller sub size from the front speakers it seems to me that I don't hear bass depth as produce from big Resonance ark.
@@brainguynyc8729 ruclips.net/video/OPA6tvrqx6A/видео.html I interpreted him saying "full range towers" as towers like mine (bp9080x front & bp8060 rear) with "subs" in the tower as this. Maybe I am misunderstanding on second thought as all 4 of these towers and even my 9080 center channel have LFE inputs on them that I'm not using. Maybe Gene can elaborate on this specific setup as I think you and I are in the same boat.
With powered subs in your towers, connect your LFE channel to the sub and it will disconnect it from the speaker cable signal. Then set your speakers to small and it is like you added two additional subs to your system. When I finally figured this out, the bass sounded way better at all the seating positions. It can also give you more flexibility to positioning your other subs, especially of you have 2 or more as you can have dual subs in front and rear ( as long as your tower subs have decent output and gets down to around 20 Hz Powered towers like this used as rear speakers sound amazing with dual subs up front either in the corners or 25% in from each corner
I do not have a subwoofer but I got old loudspeaker Pioneer 12 inch driver so so I want the most out of them speakers I just purchased a Marantz 8015 what should I do
Thank you for this clarification Gene, you're awesome! I've been debating this topic in different forums for quite a while. I currently have 2 Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X subs and AV10 preamp. B&W 702 S3 mains, so I have it set on LFE + Main and crossover at 80hz. My question is what should the Crossovers be for my Center Channel which is also a B&W 700 series, and my surrounds, B&W bookshelf speakers?? Thanks in advance!
I've wondered about this! When I go to 2 channel on the Sony STR ZA5000ES it defaults to using only the front LR speakers. I'm going straight back to the manual! Thanks
Any over 120hz will be fine to keep it from messing with your subs. Not much bass at 250hz but having it hight won't affect anything. Having it below 120hz and you will lose bass and you don't want that.
Hi Gene. I have a pioneer vsx lx51 avr. I am unable to find this feature of LFE + Main together. Can you guide me how to enable this feature with my avr. Thanks
Hello ,i recently aquired a used NAD T755 reciever i think the make year is 2008 if i am not mistaking,i am interested in listening to it mostly on 2 channels but I can't get the deep bass i want out of it i set just the front speakers on i turned off sub and all other surround from the reciever settings i tested it on a pair of smaller 6 ohm speakers from an old philips fwc-785 mini sistem thought i would first adjust the settings on the small speakers then move on to my main speakers that are custom 2 way speakers wich are composed for cabinet with one bass speaker eminence delta 10 a and a driver for mids and highs on 8 ohm before this reciever i had a few amps until now an electronica a 350 with unitra loudspeakers old amplifier ,the philips fwc-785,and an technics su-v8 had no issues with any of the above amplifiers on neither of the loudspeakers in terms of bass output or of power i had the eminence loudspeakers connected to my fwc-785 and i got much more bass and power then i am getting from the nad 755 right now i have resetted the reciever to factory settings and then i tried everything in the osd menu all the settings a few times either i missed something or something is wrong with this reciever it can't be that low power and that low on bass it should at least have driven the small philips loudspeakers to their max level before i passed half volume i dont think they have more than 30watts rms per loudspeaker ,the previous owner said that the reciever has been sitting for some time wich by the dust inside it was true but if you can help with any ideeas i more than welcome your thoughts thank you in advance !
What about the typical recommendation I hear to plug your bass ports when crossing over towers as small at 80hz. Is that even still necessary if it’s crossed over at 80hz?
What about anthem I run mrx720. There is an option in my quick volume control when I can lower lfe I forget exactly the name I’m not at home but I want to see the anthem version of this.
Hi Dave help... I have a RXA3080... My set up is 5.1. 2.. Front presence. I ran the ypao. I wanted to re run the ypao as I was not happy with the result.. When I did, the set displayed as 11 speakers... When I set it to 7 speakers... The Ypao excluded my sub... Need your expertise. Tks
Hi Gene - If I use LFE + Main for 2 channel music listening (could keep it on for movies as well). Is there any difference for having my front L/R set to large or small if I keep the crossover consistent and set to 80hz?
Thanks for this video. One thing it cleared up is LFE does not go to the mains, ever. If my fronts and center measure down to 35hz where should I set their crossovers to? Sub (LFE) is set to 120hz. If my three front speakers are set to 70hz that would mean they roll off there and the sub handles the bass? This would be easier on the amp because the sub is powered, right? But, if the three fronts are able to drive down lower than the 70hz crossover would that not be better? Say setting the front pair to 40hz and keeping the center at 70hz? Or would it be best to keep the front three the same since they (all three) measure down to 35hz?
Great info. One area I don't think you are considering is the quality of the towers vs. The sub(s). I have RP-8000s and 2 R-12SWs. Movies are great, but music with the LFE+main the sound stage just collapses to the left and right speakers. Bass is only slightly better and the listening experience has less impact. For a lot of music with no bass below 40hz you can't even tell the bass changes. A lesser sub detracts from the listening experience if you don't have subs at the same level as the mains.
Man I'm struggling with my new reciever an this exact setup. Recently purchased a Denon, have the RP8000's for L/R, RP504c center, RP5000's as sides an 600m's for my rears all paired with two 12SW's. My problem is mother of God the bass is heavy an very present even at low volumes. All speakers set to small an crossovers at 80hz, my subs in the Denon are set to just LFE/120hz an dialed all the way back to -12.0db! Where have I gone wrong here?
You need to adjust the speaker levels. They should be 75DB matched across your system. I run my subs at 78DB and the same for my center channel. Placement is also crucial. Should be 8-12 inches away from the wall and not exactly in a corner. Set the gain on the subs to 50% and test their level with an SPL meter. Then, in the tuner turn all the extra add-ons to the off position. Now you’re ready to tune your speakers.
I should also mention. People don’t understand how to adjust the speaker level. You need to turn the volume all the way up to 0DB, which is reference level. That is how you correctly. Adjust the speakers to the 75 DB placement.
hello, I have a taga hoarmony SE212 Sub woofer, Denon 2700h, Monitor radius 270,200,90 as my front ,centre and surround. I m not getting the chest slam/kick when playing action scene. I have my crossover at 120Hz/LFE. Can you help me how to get the base effect
Meanwhile Denon (X*800H series) has introduced the additional optional possibility to route LFE to front main speakers. The OSD includes meaningful drawings that are virtually self-explanatory.
Hi Gene. Firstly thank you for this video. This is a topic that's been on my mind as I'm new to the hobby of audiophile. I've recently purchased the Marantz cinema 50 as I'm building a home cinema set up around it. I have two good quality front tower speakers from Piega and two smaller satellites. My question to you is: should I set all my speakers to small, set the subwoofer up on the Marantz as LFE only and the crossover points of all speakers and sub to 80Hz? I'm also going to put another sub diagonally opposite the first, in the back left corner of the cinema room. There's a setting in the Marantz AVR when you go from one sub to two/three or max to four that becomes available: should I select standard or directional for the SUB output settings in this case? Love your channel keep up the great work.
Hi. I've a question. On audissey app, what's the frequency filter utility? Someone says to don't touch this, someone to put on 500 Hz or between 200 and 300 hz. What exactly happen when I touch this setting? Thanks
Friends of topic I have a doubt since some time not getting answer if I have an Apple TV 4K new model and a hdmi converter optical to miniDSP 2x4hd that in turn is connected to my active towers is that the correct chain for apple lossless and movie watching I don’t want to buy a reciever snd 5.1 setup
Question Please : I have a processor with ability to configure 5.1 A/V and 2 Channel stereo. I have very good front speakers and not so good SUB. In 5.1 A/V I set front speakers on small , LFE+Main , On Stereo , Set Front speakers to Large and NO SUB at all so I will only hear the very good front speaker without that sub. Is it logic ? Thanks.
I have 2 tower speakers. Motion 60xti and And I have dynamo 1600 Martin Logen sub I have ave denon h4400 which is better song lef- Main or lef please let me know
mind explain thaat interaction with REL subwoofers and high level imput? currently i own 2 REL T/9x as subs and i consider getting a 3rd sub to connect through high level to the center speaker but this means setting the center speaker to large. . does that stress the amp? does that dmg the speaker? will it cause issues in sound? ty
What's your outake on the dynamic compression setting in a Marantz receiver. I have the 1711 and I don't know if I should set the dynamic compression setting. If I leave it off I have to crank up the volume to get any volume. If I set it to low I don't have to turn it up that loud.
Thanks for your knowledge and time as usual! Quick question . If my front speakers can go down to 45 hz ( surrounds also are towers) should I set their crossover to 60 instead of 80 ? Or do you still recommend a 80 hz crossover regardless ?
In most cases 80hz is the right setting. Most speakers don't have significant output at the last half octave of bass even if rated to play down that low.
Whats a good crossover for surround sound satelite definitive technolgy speakers. Using 5.1 mainly for gaming with onkyo tx rz 50, emotiva C1+ center, B1+ for L and R, and 2 DF for surround sound.
Hi, recently I bought Denon avr-1600. I do not have power related subwoofer. I plug the subwoofer port with normal speaker but it does not come up. would you suggest me what I need to do in order to hear sound from subwoofer speaker?
Man I've been running my 5.1.2 setup with all speakers set to small and 80hz crossover. I just changed my front speakers to large, and it sounds 10x better. The bass is so much more instrumental and hits so much smoother. Front speakers are JBL 4311s. They go down to 45hz no problemo. What was I thinking. Now my extra bass remote button toggles my sub on or off instead of on and really on. Another plus to running your speakers as large (even if just in front).
So if I setup my L and R front towers as Large and select LFE+Main setting then what frequencies will be copied to the subwoofer? Everything under 80Hz?
Thank you. Didn't realize what this meant. My Yamaha receivers manual just says the extra bass boost the amount of bass output but didn't explain what was going on. I listen to music in two channel , I went in and set my fronts to large and put on the extra bass. Much better bass sound. Fuller and more even bass sound in the room. Luckily I can save two speaker sets , so I can keep all my settings separate for movies and music.
That's a bummer about the LFE+Mains setting on the Denon. I was hoping to use my towers (Tekton DI) as a multisub solution to smooth out my bass response. I was actually able to do that with my previous pioneer receiver setup because everything came from a PC and routed to the receiver as Stereo. My Room EQ graphs were quite a bit cleaner below 100HZ after calibration & Peace EQ with that configuration. Now I route through an NVIDIA Shield, with a Denon x3700h, so I'm probably going to lose the faux-multisub and the system-wide EQ. That was the tradeoff for Dolby Vision and a generally better video experience. Could I merge the LFE if I passed PCM to the receiver or would it maintain or drop the .1?
i have this on my mind,. how about i put a 1 Y rca to my 1 of L/R pre out,. from (right pre out channel for example) to my subs LFE, and to power amp that powers the speaker,. do you think this will make any harm to my denon x3700h?
Going to be honest. Tries this "Set all speakers to small" thing. It basically just made my Polk XT20's sound like they're from a 1950's radio era and my 8" sub just sounded like it was taking the "punch" it typically has and brought it to be more muted. It felt like there was "Less bass".
I have all speakers set to small. I was watching another video about this, that said once the crossover is set in the AVR, the subwoofer crossover should be all the way up, is that correct? I currently also have the subs at 120!
After watching too many videos to try to understand LFE configurations, this is the first that kept it short, to the point and in plain English. Thank you.
Please listen to the entire video. I had bass issues until I finally understood what the LFE settings were on the receiver. You can do all of the room treatment in the world, subwoofer placement, bass adjustments on the sub. But if you don't understand the LFE sittings on your receiver, you just won't have the optimal bass. Either too much (boomy) or too little. (thin)
Great job I just finished setting up my system and running all the speaker wire (12 gauge) and I’m very happy and was glad to see you saying things I did. I have a Sony A90J and a Denon 3700H receiver. I have two Klipsch RP-8000F Towers along with two Dolby atoms R-41sa’s up on the wall on either side of the screen. I’m currently using the TV as a temporary center channel until I get my dedicated center speaker. Finally I have two RP-600m bookshelf speakers as the rear surround speakers. I set all the speakers to small and then set the crossovers to 20 above the frequency response and I’m using LFE + main. I’m still tinkering but it’s sounding pretty good so far.
Really good video Gene. However you specifically ask for comments (which is good for RUclips algorithms) but I’m not seeing very many answers from you to questions. There are a lot of decent questions I wish I could read your response to as you are a brilliant guy. More cowbell please:-) aka more answers please
This channel should be more popular.
Waiting for this clarification for a long time!!!!
My 5.1 system is only used for multichannel cinema content - as such, I always keep my front Polk RTi12 towers to 60Hz because they're huge and I want them to be able to "flex their muscles" a little alongside my sub. The other channels - center and in-ceiling surrounds - are kept at 80, with LPF of LFE on 120Hz.
I have always kept Double Bass off (with Onkyo AVRs) and used LFE (with my current Denon), not LFE + Main.
I like your T-shirt sir, besides as always loving the content and everything that you do in the AV world for us enthusiasts! In my personal opinion, it is safe to say that you are the beating heart of the AV consumer product reviews!
Perfect explanation/clarification!
I like that you also talked about lowering the crossover, and when multi-sub is done properly is not the way to go. I did however do this when running a single sub to help with localization, lowered to 60 Hz and it seemed to smooth things out a bit.
Exactly, if you don't have multi sub (unfortunately), but a single sub in maybe not an ideal location. Lowering the crossover helped me as well.
@@xavdeman But that is wrong. If you set your speakers to 80 you need to set the crossover to 80 as well. Otherwise you have a large gap of 20 hz between where the sub starts to roll off too early and your mains only go down to 80hz. The subwoofer crossover MUST match the cutoff range of your mains. You lose a lot of bass energy with that gap. 80 Hz is my cutoff too for subwoofers. Although some people argue you should set them to 120hz, which is imo way too high and makes the subwoofer easily "visible" to my ears. You should never be able to localize the subwoofer. That only means its placed vey badly or the crossover setting is too high.
@@Cenkolino There is no serious main speaker made in the last decade that 'cuts off' above 60Hz.
You can easily set the crossover to 60Hz, or even 40Hz (of course you limit the dynamic range somewhat because mains won't play as loud at 40 Hz as your subwoofer but most people don't listen at 100dB all the time anyway).
@@xavdeman You lowered the crossover where...? Which speakers?
@@perrysmiles60 Wharfedale EVO.
I have never seen anyone know more than you guys. There are many reviewers who doesn’t even know half of your knowledge 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Much appreciated Gene. Glad to have this finally cleared up. I'm going to change my settings now
Hi Gene that is great clarification 👍 I know your busy , but can you a video on avr's and connecting to amplifier and how to set them both. If you have the time. Thanks Gene keep it up .
I have an older Denon 3805 I am still rocking. If I set the front to Large and sub to LFE, i DO get bass from the sub? Changing to LFE plus Main doesn’t seem to change anything. FYI I am speaking for 2 channel music. Am I crazy? Not that it should matter but speakers are Psb status gold sub svs pc13ultra….
Hello, thank you for the video. Question, I have the Bower & Wilkins ASW608WH 8" subwoofer. The question is, I can barely tell I have a subwoofer working. I have it setup with my 9.1 Atmos surround system, but for the life of me I can't get that deep base. Do I have the wrong subwoofer (space is an issue is why I have the 8")? I have the B&W series 700 center channel and bookshelf speakers followed up with 6 of the B&W M1 speakers all running off my Denon 11.2 receiver. I was playing an Allman Brothers bluray DVD called All My Friends and I had great sound through the speakers, but barely anything from the subwoofer. Then when I started playing with the dials in the back of the sub, all I was really getting was static and a weird cracking sound. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
I have a 7.2 Yamaha RX-V665 A/V receiver with a 7.1 Klipsch Synergy speaker system with F3s being the main front speakers. I purchased the system in 2012 and it is still going strong. The receiver has a 2 channel mode for listening to music but I never use it. I use the 7 channel Enhancer mode for music and movies. I always use the YPAO Optimizing mic for calibration of my speakers and sub. It seems to work for me and the easiest way to do it. I set the mic on a tripod and placed it in my listening seat at ear level. I also did the subwoofer crawl for my sub. But this was a nice video with lots of good info.
I was literally just doing a Google search for this very topic! Your video popped up. I'm running my large tower mains as full range. For two reasons....one , audyssey keeps setting my mains as full range. Two....it just sounds better to me. Lol! Anyways I was looking for an answer as to what to do with the settings. Your advice to run bass management, LFE+Mains sounds good to me. Thank you so much 🙂
I'm still confused. If your subwoofer crossover is set to 80Hz and the typical LFE (Low Frequency Effects) are coming out as 120Hz or less... how does the LFE properly come across when the subwoofer is ONLY taking on 80Hz or less?
I guess you will have to set both high pass for your mains and low pass for your sub at 120Hz then, if you favor 120Hz LFE from your sub rather than "regular" 120Hz from your mains.
Thank you! I was just stumbling through this setting on my Marantz for my new speakers
Not only am I confused about bass management, I have a Denon receiver so their owners manual has me confused about where babies come from!
Well, when a Denon and Marantz receiver love eachother VERY VERY much... they spawn extra speaker outputs. lol
Babies come from their mother's belly. 😂
For LFE + MAIN what crossover do you use for fronts that are set to Large? Do you still go with 80hz?
This information made me subscribe to your channel. I've been watching you for a while, but this question was always on my mind. I have a pair of vintage ADS 1980 loud speakers a huge woofer and 2 tweeters. I love the full sound of the speaker set to large in 2 channel audio but I was running them small with 2 subs. My Yamaha v6a has the extra bass feature which I love, but until you recommend that I use the extra bass feature I was reluctant to use it. Thanks for the info you gain a new subscriber.
You guys rock.
As someone who runs DefTech BP9080x's for LCR and BP8060's for Rear L&R with x2 HSU VTF-15H Mk2's this is exactly what I've been looking for! I could never find information where someone clarified this specific setup until now and it turns out I setup mine correctly at least for LFE+Main :P Thanks!
Thank you, Gene! For your comments about running large speakers full range. I have very large towers for my front mains, and mid size towers for my surrounds. I like to run both the front L/R and surrounds full range because I only have one sub(on the front wall by the mains). I can hear tremendous bass coming from my front L/R speakers and also from the surrounds behind me. If I crossed those speakers over at 80Hz, I would lose a lot of that and all that bass would be coming from my one sub. Now, before you tell me to run more subs, know that this system is in our family room and I am doing well from a WAF factor to have even my one sub. Of course, I am sending the LFE channel to the sub. I have experimented with my center speaker( which is pretty good sized) between setting it to LARGE and SMALL, but I have not yet settled on a preference.
Wrong , If you set your front speakers to large and use the LFE + Main setting your front speakers get the full range regardless of crossover setting . You set the crossover of the front speakers to 80HZ then the sub will play everything below 80Hz . Your fronts will still get the full range .
@ricktaylor27
What happens when L/R are set to small and LFE+Main is engaged?
I have my mains set to large and my REL subs are connected with hi level and LFE
Great Video ! According to all details ( In video and replies ) I'm a bit confused. Can you please explain in SIMPLE WORDS what is : LFE+MAIN or LFE , When to use each of them ? Thanks.
For pure cinema purpose only, would LFE + Bass would be a good idea, having large towers?
Great video Gene. Contains really usefull clarifications on a topic that is often murky.
This rabbit hole goes deep.
It amazes me how poor of a job the manufacturers do of explains some of the more important features of their products. Thanks for a clear explanation.
Noticed your LPF set to 120. Everything I've read suggests 70 to 80. What am I missing?
80Hz was the way to go for all of my past setups but there's a clear difference on my current one with 50Hz sounding a lot fuller. The problem is I'll listen to music for 15-20 minutes or be half way through a movie sometimes and realize I didn't even even turn on the amp for my subs. My floor speakers are all Solstice "DIY" speakers from PE set to small.
hi , im using this setup . i find it better to set towers to large and lfe+main. the bass is louder n better, its like having multiple sub pumping at your face.
Have have the Denon AVR-X3700H, I am running 11ch, I purchased the 5ch Rotel 1585 External Amplifier, Off the External amplifier am running my Center speaker, My front LR and my Front LR Surrounds, I notice in my Pre out section I only see The from LR speakers highlighted Preout not my Center and from Surrounds speakers, Not sure what am doing wrong.
Does LFE + Main do anything when all speakers are set to small & SW Yes?
Yes you can set your speakers to small and set the subwoofer to LFE+main
That set of settings is allowed, but results in no difference from "LFE" only. "LFE + Main" only routes additional bass signal (a copy) to the sub from speakers set to Large (generally the L/R in actual practice).
@@ShamuXEagleDriver That's what I always thought, and if it is in fact accurate, then I think Denon should design it so that LFE+Main is un-selectable when all speakers are set to small.
@@ThunderStruckMTB your are absolutely right! When setting all speakers to small, there is no point keeping the subwoofer mode selectable as LFE or LFE+Main!! -It's just meaningless. Denon/marantz definitely should modify the setting through a firmware update.
Great idea ThunderStruck, sure would alleviate a LOT of confusion!
I can not find LPF for LFE on my Yamaha Aventage receiver.
Thx for the video on this topic.
Why my bass is too loud, it shakes the entire floor? I have a 12inch sub.
Thx Gene, I'm still running an Old Onkyo HT-RC430 1080P, and it displays LFE+Main as Double Bass and in the manual doesn't really explain what to do and how to set it, so thank you for this explanation. I watched this other video where this guy explains how to set the crossover in your AV receiver and the crossover on the sub itself. He said some interesting things like how you don't want them set the same. I know I got some old ass equipment but my TV still works great, I can't wait to upgrade though but I'll wait till it totally dies.
What setting do you recommend for lfe crossover setting, after calibration it’s on 120hz
Excellent video. This video answers all the questions I had. Thanks.
Thanks for the video. I have a Yamaha RXA-3080 I use with my Klipsch front main towers that can go down to 32 HZ along with a Klipsch center channel, Klipsch 14 inch sub woofer and rear surround speakers. So for multi channel playback with the Yamaha AV I have set all my speakers to small with a crossover of 80 HZ and I set the sub woofer to LFE. When I want to use 2 channel playback from my turntable and cd player I use the front pre-amp jacks connected to my 2 channel Mcintosh MAC-7200 that is actually connected to my Klipsch front main towers and I use a different Klipsch 15 inch sub woofer where I do not use the LFE setting but rather I set the crossover to 45 HZ. The Mcintosh has a home theater pass thru function and this allows me to share the front main towers with both receivers. When I want to watch movies or listen to multi channel audio I turn on the Yamaha which is connected to the Mcintosh with a trigger cable and both receivers power on and the Yamaha powers all the speakers except the front mains where the Mcintosh handles them. When I want to playback 2 channel music only I just turn on the Mcintosh by itself and it only drives the front mains from 45 Hz and above and the 14 inch subwoofer handles all the bass below 45 HZ. This setup is more expensive but I find it to work so much better because AV receivers cannot match the 2 channel playback of a dedicated 2 channel amp like the Mcintosh MAC 7200.
On my denon 4400 reciever, there is a different crossover setting for multi channels and 2 channels
I was using LFE+ MAIN, and every time an explosion scene, subwoofer would cut off, ,iso I set to LFE now it won't cut off
Hey Gene, I’ve followed the site and RUclips channel for years now and I’ve found that even when I’ve used full range towers, some with integrated powered subs, for home theater crossing everything over in my specific room sounds best at 80hz. I’m currently using Mirage HDT-F’s for LCR and HDT surrounds with 4 Mirage OMD-5’s for heights. My subs consist of a pair of Mirage BPS-400’s and SVS SB1000’s in an L shaped room. Using REW and MiniDSP 2x4HD I’ve been able to determine 80hz is indeed the optimal crossover setting and have -/+2dB from 17hz-180hz. Your videos pertaining to multisub setup and the series you did on bass with Anthony Gramaini were instrumental in getting me to where I am today! Keep it up man!
Thanks Gene.....My Yamaha YPAO RX-v479 changes the speaker settings on my Klipsch towers to large and bookshelf surrounds to large but leaves the center Klipsch to small. Sets the crossover to 100 and places my SB3000 18 feet away. Sub is actually about 14 feet. Weird. so I changed the speakers all to small but did not change anything else. I'm just starting to learn REW to further fine tune the bass and find your videos super informative. Thanks again.
I am using my sub on a 2 channel system (only) and the bass that I enjoy is only a helper to reach down that 1 octave. The speakers I have do not have so much energy below 50Hz even tho they are rated for 40Hz My room is 20ft deep and 12 feet W. by 8ft. My experience has been that when I added the sub, my high frequency improved in clarity and fullness.
I have a new Sony ES3000…but I don’t see an LFE + Main setting or an equivalent. Do you know what it’s called on this Sony?
The only video giving you precise answer to a precise question... Loved it. I've boggled with this setting (sub/main, main, sub) on my sony avr for 3 years and now I know what i want to do with it. Which is, all speakers SMALL 80Hz crossover and Sub/Main.
What do you set the actual sub to?
Gene, Grazie mille!. Much appreciate your expertise. It has been very helpful with finishing of basement. I added in wiring for four subs, two front two back per your recommendations. For now I plan to "decouple"the subs of my Def-Tech towers running them + the rear subs, Velodyne through a Mini DSP for bass management. Again, Thank you.
So LFE+MAIN with speakers set to small is ok providing I also have a subwoofer
Now at the back of my subs, the have LFE and hertz as well what do I set the back of my subs at
Appreciate you Gene! I've got a pair of REL T9X's arriving in a couple days....Psyched to integrate them into my system. B&W 803's in the front (set to large) and 805's in the rear (set to small)...Rotel 1095 multi channel power amp with a Marantz AV7703 processer. I'll hook up the RELs with the High Lever connection to the Mains connection on the ROTEL....LFE to the Marantz....after properly breaking them in I can't wait to listen to my Genesis SACD's with that house shaking low extension bass pedals!....if you ever get to the SF area, LMK...we'll go to gym and lift, come home and grill some steaks and listen to Peter G. and the boys.....cheers.
Hello! Thanks for the video.
I have Dali zensor 7 and also Dali vokal centre speakers. I just bought a Dali E12 subwoofer. Should I set all speakers to small and crossover set at 80 on the receiver and on the subwoofer?
Thanks!
I run powered front studio monitors with 8" woofers. These are set to small with an 80Hz crossover. I then have two 12" subs set to LFE+main at 80Hz.
Question: since you are setting speakers to small, does it make sense to buy a larger bookshelf or smaller towers that are 2.5 way for your main speaker?
I only listen to movies and it seems a waste to buy $5-$8k towers of youbare just going to set them up as small
My DN8 gives red light sometimes and doesn't work...its stopped working suddenly.
Thanks for making these short videos Gene. 👍🏼
Regarding using Sub in Stereo , Tried to add a sub to hear Bass from it instead of the main speakers (LFE) , Because of smaller sub size from the front speakers it seems to me that I don't hear bass depth as produce from big Resonance ark.
I have 2 Klipsch 15 inch subs what do I set the Htz at, LFE or something like 80 Htz
Thanks Gene, but I do really wish you would have included those of us that have powered subs in our towers.
Watch it again, I believe he does. I also run 4 subbed towers with 2 dedicated subs.
@@K24Dryvr where? Time stamp?
@@brainguynyc8729 ruclips.net/video/OPA6tvrqx6A/видео.html I interpreted him saying "full range towers" as towers like mine (bp9080x front & bp8060 rear) with "subs" in the tower as this. Maybe I am misunderstanding on second thought as all 4 of these towers and even my 9080 center channel have LFE inputs on them that I'm not using. Maybe Gene can elaborate on this specific setup as I think you and I are in the same boat.
With powered subs in your towers, connect your LFE channel to the sub and it will disconnect it from the speaker cable signal. Then set your speakers to small and it is like you added two additional subs to your system. When I finally figured this out, the bass sounded way better at all the seating positions.
It can also give you more flexibility to positioning your other subs, especially of you have 2 or more as you can have dual subs in front and rear ( as long as your tower subs have decent output and gets down to around 20 Hz
Powered towers like this used as rear speakers sound amazing with dual subs up front either in the corners or 25% in from each corner
I do not have a subwoofer but I got old loudspeaker Pioneer 12 inch driver so so I want the most out of them speakers I just purchased a Marantz 8015 what should I do
Thanks. I still get confused on this stuff.
For movies I don't use lfe+MAIN. But for music, I have to. Dynamic eq on also.
Integra drx 4.3, how did you setup the front speakers = full or small and extra bass function
Thank you for this clarification Gene, you're awesome! I've been debating this topic in different forums for quite a while. I currently have 2 Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X subs and AV10 preamp. B&W 702 S3 mains, so I have it set on LFE + Main and crossover at 80hz. My question is what should the Crossovers be for my Center Channel which is also a B&W 700 series, and my surrounds, B&W bookshelf speakers?? Thanks in advance!
I've wondered about this! When I go to 2 channel on the Sony STR ZA5000ES it defaults to using only the front LR speakers. I'm going straight back to the manual!
Thanks
if i don't have lfe on, my soundcard has no output for bass, only after i turn lfe the bass output works i do not know why
Hello great video, so i am running Kef 105/3 and SVS SB2000 sub. My question is what is the best way to hook up the sub.
Gene if i'm using a MiniDSP to do all of my crossovers and EQing, should I set the LPF for LFE to 250hz?
Any over 120hz will be fine to keep it from messing with your subs. Not much bass at 250hz but having it hight won't affect anything. Having it below 120hz and you will lose bass and you don't want that.
Hi Gene. I have a pioneer vsx lx51 avr. I am unable to find this feature of LFE + Main together. Can you guide me how to enable this feature with my avr. Thanks
Hello ,i recently aquired a used NAD T755 reciever i think the make year is 2008 if i am not mistaking,i am interested in listening to it mostly on 2 channels but I can't get the deep bass i want out of it i set just the front speakers on i turned off sub and all other surround from the reciever settings i tested it on a pair of smaller 6 ohm speakers from an old philips fwc-785 mini sistem thought i would first adjust the settings on the small speakers then move on to my main speakers that are custom 2 way speakers wich are composed for cabinet with one bass speaker eminence delta 10 a and a driver for mids and highs on 8 ohm before this reciever i had a few amps until now an electronica a 350 with unitra loudspeakers old amplifier ,the philips fwc-785,and an technics su-v8 had no issues with any of the above amplifiers on neither of the loudspeakers in terms of bass output or of power i had the eminence loudspeakers connected to my fwc-785 and i got much more bass and power then i am getting from the nad 755 right now i have resetted the reciever to factory settings and then i tried everything in the osd menu all the settings a few times either i missed something or something is wrong with this reciever it can't be that low power and that low on bass it should at least have driven the small philips loudspeakers to their max level before i passed half volume i dont think they have more than 30watts rms per loudspeaker ,the previous owner said that the reciever has been sitting for some time wich by the dust inside it was true but if you can help with any ideeas i more than welcome your thoughts thank you in advance !
p.s i set nad 755 to only front and large speakers from the settings menu.
What about the typical recommendation I hear to plug your bass ports when crossing over towers as small at 80hz. Is that even still necessary if it’s crossed over at 80hz?
What about anthem I run mrx720. There is an option in my quick volume control when I can lower lfe I forget exactly the name I’m not at home but I want to see the anthem version of this.
Hi Dave help... I have a RXA3080... My set up is 5.1. 2.. Front presence. I ran the ypao. I wanted to re run the ypao as I was not happy with the result.. When I did, the set displayed as 11 speakers... When I set it to 7 speakers... The Ypao excluded my sub... Need your expertise. Tks
Hi Gene - If I use LFE + Main for 2 channel music listening (could keep it on for movies as well). Is there any difference for having my front L/R set to large or small if I keep the crossover consistent and set to 80hz?
My speakers are set to Small, does that defeat the purpose of LFE+Main? Because nothing is copied over. And I only use Lfe+Main in Pure mode.
Thanks for this video. One thing it cleared up is LFE does not go to the mains, ever. If my fronts and center measure down to 35hz where should I set their crossovers to? Sub (LFE) is set to 120hz. If my three front speakers are set to 70hz that would mean they roll off there and the sub handles the bass? This would be easier on the amp because the sub is powered, right? But, if the three fronts are able to drive down lower than the 70hz crossover would that not be better? Say setting the front pair to 40hz and keeping the center at 70hz? Or would it be best to keep the front three the same since they (all three) measure down to 35hz?
Great info. One area I don't think you are considering is the quality of the towers vs. The sub(s). I have RP-8000s and 2 R-12SWs. Movies are great, but music with the LFE+main the sound stage just collapses to the left and right speakers. Bass is only slightly better and the listening experience has less impact. For a lot of music with no bass below 40hz you can't even tell the bass changes. A lesser sub detracts from the listening experience if you don't have subs at the same level as the mains.
Man I'm struggling with my new reciever an this exact setup. Recently purchased a Denon, have the RP8000's for L/R, RP504c center, RP5000's as sides an 600m's for my rears all paired with two 12SW's. My problem is mother of God the bass is heavy an very present even at low volumes. All speakers set to small an crossovers at 80hz, my subs in the Denon are set to just LFE/120hz an dialed all the way back to -12.0db! Where have I gone wrong here?
You need to adjust the speaker levels. They should be 75DB matched across your system. I run my subs at 78DB and the same for my center channel. Placement is also crucial. Should be 8-12 inches away from the wall and not exactly in a corner. Set the gain on the subs to 50% and test their level with an SPL meter. Then, in the tuner turn all the extra add-ons to the off position. Now you’re ready to tune your speakers.
I should also mention. People don’t understand how to adjust the speaker level. You need to turn the volume all the way up to 0DB, which is reference level. That is how you correctly. Adjust the speakers to the 75 DB placement.
hello, I have a taga hoarmony SE212 Sub woofer, Denon 2700h, Monitor radius 270,200,90 as my front ,centre and surround. I m not getting the chest slam/kick when playing action scene. I have my crossover at 120Hz/LFE. Can you help me how to get the base effect
Meanwhile Denon (X*800H series) has introduced the additional optional possibility to route LFE to front main speakers.
The OSD includes meaningful drawings that are virtually self-explanatory.
Hi Gene. Firstly thank you for this video. This is a topic that's been on my mind as I'm new to the hobby of audiophile. I've recently purchased the Marantz cinema 50 as I'm building a home cinema set up around it. I have two good quality front tower speakers from Piega and two smaller satellites. My question to you is: should I set all my speakers to small, set the subwoofer up on the Marantz as LFE only and the crossover points of all speakers and sub to 80Hz? I'm also going to put another sub diagonally opposite the first, in the back left corner of the cinema room. There's a setting in the Marantz AVR when you go from one sub to two/three or max to four that becomes available: should I select standard or directional for the SUB output settings in this case? Love your channel keep up the great work.
I use the lfe+main for 2 channel listening with my 2 fronts set to large at 80hz. Should I set my sub to 80hz also?
Hi. I've a question. On audissey app, what's the frequency filter utility? Someone says to don't touch this, someone to put on 500 Hz or between 200 and 300 hz. What exactly happen when I touch this setting? Thanks
Friends of topic I have a doubt since some time not getting answer if I have an Apple TV 4K new model and a hdmi converter optical to miniDSP 2x4hd that in turn is connected to my active towers is that the correct chain for apple lossless and movie watching I don’t want to buy a reciever snd 5.1 setup
Question Please : I have a processor with ability to configure 5.1 A/V and 2 Channel stereo. I have very good front speakers and not so good SUB. In 5.1 A/V I set front speakers on small , LFE+Main , On Stereo , Set Front speakers to Large and NO SUB at all so I will only hear the very good front speaker without that sub. Is it logic ? Thanks.
I have 2 tower speakers. Motion 60xti and And I have dynamo 1600 Martin Logen sub I have ave denon h4400 which is better song lef- Main or lef please let me know
mind explain thaat interaction with REL subwoofers and high level imput? currently i own 2 REL T/9x as subs and i consider getting a 3rd sub to connect through high level to the center speaker but this means setting the center speaker to large. . does that stress the amp? does that dmg the speaker? will it cause issues in sound? ty
What's your outake on the dynamic compression setting in a Marantz receiver. I have the 1711 and I don't know if I should set the dynamic compression setting. If I leave it off I have to crank up the volume to get any volume. If I set it to low I don't have to turn it up that loud.
Thanks for your knowledge and time as usual! Quick question
. If my front speakers can go down to 45 hz ( surrounds also are towers) should I set their crossover to 60 instead of 80 ? Or do you still recommend a 80 hz crossover regardless ?
In most cases 80hz is the right setting. Most speakers don't have significant output at the last half octave of bass even if rated to play down that low.
@@Audioholics 10-4. I will do that. Thanks for getting back to me! You are the best!
Actually they go down to 32 hz ,,but im still set crossover to 80.
Whats a good crossover for surround sound satelite definitive technolgy speakers. Using 5.1 mainly for gaming with onkyo tx rz 50, emotiva C1+ center, B1+ for L and R, and 2 DF for surround sound.
Hi, recently I bought Denon avr-1600. I do not have power related subwoofer.
I plug the subwoofer port with normal speaker but it does not come up.
would you suggest me what I need to do in order to hear sound from subwoofer speaker?
Can I put 3 REL HT 1205 MKII 12" subs one each on the LCR via my pri-outs from the AVR and 1 REL HT 1510 Predictor 15" on the LFE
Should run the speakers small with extra bass. Or large with extra bass?
Small with extra sounds good.
Man I've been running my 5.1.2 setup with all speakers set to small and 80hz crossover. I just changed my front speakers to large, and it sounds 10x better. The bass is so much more instrumental and hits so much smoother. Front speakers are JBL 4311s. They go down to 45hz no problemo. What was I thinking. Now my extra bass remote button toggles my sub on or off instead of on and really on. Another plus to running your speakers as large (even if just in front).
So if I setup my L and R front towers as Large and select LFE+Main setting then what frequencies will be copied to the subwoofer? Everything under 80Hz?
Thank you. Didn't realize what this meant. My Yamaha receivers manual just says the extra bass boost the amount of bass output but didn't explain what was going on. I listen to music in two channel , I went in and set my fronts to large and put on the extra bass. Much better bass sound. Fuller and more even bass sound in the room. Luckily I can save two speaker sets , so I can keep all my settings separate for movies and music.
That's a bummer about the LFE+Mains setting on the Denon. I was hoping to use my towers (Tekton DI) as a multisub solution to smooth out my bass response. I was actually able to do that with my previous pioneer receiver setup because everything came from a PC and routed to the receiver as Stereo. My Room EQ graphs were quite a bit cleaner below 100HZ after calibration & Peace EQ with that configuration. Now I route through an NVIDIA Shield, with a Denon x3700h, so I'm probably going to lose the faux-multisub and the system-wide EQ. That was the tradeoff for Dolby Vision and a generally better video experience.
Could I merge the LFE if I passed PCM to the receiver or would it maintain or drop the .1?
i have this on my mind,. how about i put a 1 Y rca to my 1 of L/R pre out,. from (right pre out channel for example) to my subs LFE, and to power amp that powers the speaker,.
do you think this will make any harm to my denon x3700h?
Going to be honest.
Tries this "Set all speakers to small" thing. It basically just made my Polk XT20's sound like they're from a 1950's radio era and my 8" sub just sounded like it was taking the "punch" it typically has and brought it to be more muted. It felt like there was "Less bass".
Hopefully this will answer my questions. 👍🏼
I have all speakers set to small. I was watching another video about this, that said once the crossover is set in the AVR, the subwoofer crossover should be all the way up, is that correct? I currently also have the subs at 120!