How To Get The Most Bass Out Of Your Room!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Looking for more information on how to eliminate those pesky bass nulls in your room? Our very own Lonnie Vaughn helps you understand the science behind those nulls and how to fight back.
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Extremely beneficial. Added an additional sub, made the world of difference
Old man + subwoofer = good quality
Just like the old guy in the gym. They know a thing or two.
Rip logic
As soon as I saw that gray here I was like he knows what he’s talking about!
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@@kaufmanat1 ,!!!
I'm a bass guitar player. Smaller speakers have lots of focus when it comes to low frequencies. The best cabinet I ever had was an SWR Henry The 8x8. It has 8 8 inch drivers and a tweeter. I was flat down to 37hz and sounded incredible!
very informative video. I might be trying one of those subs on my system
Svs ported subs are amazing. Completely made my home theater 10 times better . I got dual pb3000 and let me tell you . Those subs can perform well
I have only one and can’t imagine what 2 can do. It’s literally a mini earthquake in my dedicated theater room lol
I wonder how Emotiva subs compare with the SVS line?
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@@raymondayala5355I run dual SVS SB-3000's up front and a single SVS SB16-ULTRA in the rear of my living room home theater.
Bring this series of subs back.
I just got the Bose 500 bass module with bose tv speaker and im very happy it is in my gaming room
I love 8 inch subwoofers, especially for a a car or truck. At home, double up on a couple of quality 8 inch subs, and you can fill a room with bass. I think 8 inch subs are more "musical" in nature. It you want tight punchy bass instead of a "fart machine" check out 8 inch subwoofers.
My room had carpet for the last 10 years I've been enjoying what I thought was the best subwoofer performance. Oh no my wife decided she wanted hardwood floors, well we both have allergies so the doctor said hardwood floors would be an improvement, so we had them installed. Here's why I posted this comment, now with the hardwood floors, my subwoofer performance has increased. Now the deep sound really gets into your stomach, and the floor even vibrates. Let me know what your opinion on carpet versus hardwood floors, for me it was a tremendous improvement. Thank you
Your right. My subs sound way better at my rental house that has hardwood floors but, the new home has thick carpet you would think but, nope lost quite a bit. So next year definitely taking off the carpet going full flooring also you do get less sick with having floors.
@@mosthated8848 Yes my wife's decision to get hardwood floors almost started a major argument. But thanks to my research hardwood floors would add to my subwoofer experience. After the hardwood floors were installed we watched our first movie, the soundtrack specially the explosions of the rumbles all that stuff, much more significant. Lucky we live our own home, condos and apartments are tough to replace floors, but if you do replace the floor to a hardwood floor in apartment or condo, I guarantee your neighbors are going to start complaining. The hardwood floor really transmits the sound almost like it's another cone of the speaker.
@@mosthated8848 Ya, floors are a must in any house. 😂
I find carpet would take away brighter reflections but maybe not so much lower frequencies. But it might depend what is under that carpet haha
Why wouldn't multiple subs also create points in the space that are over amplified?
Wow, do it wirelessly!! Got to do that!!!
My living room home theater has an SVS SB16-Ultra subwoofer in the rear and 2 SVS SB-3000 subwoofers up front. ❤ 👍👍
, and hold on before your freak out.. lol. You guys make some of the finest audio components on the market, for the right price.
Hes so right our 10 inch klipsch sub doesnt stop playing when its supposed to, theres always this rumble after the audio source stops playing bass… also our acoustics suck
Can't overcome dead zones? Joke's on you, I watch all my movies in an anchoic chamber
Which probably sounds very "dead" - like a one big dead zone. 🤣🤣🤣
anchoic chamber is not good for movies.its very very bad.its only good for music prduction
@@bigben9056 so you're telling me a waste $200,000 building an anchoic chamber only to get a suboptimal viewing experience watching reruns of The Simpsons?
@@eubikedude it sounds surprisingly similar to wearing earbuds.
Super helpful video. It was a thorough and insightful explanation of a real problem and I was turned on to a solution (Wi-Fi sub connection) that I didn't know existed. But three sets of ads in a 9:19 promotion if your products made the trade feel much less equitable.
I have 2 subs in my 10-10 room..Only problem is..Both subs are playing though one signal..My reciver Has 2 subs inputs.but its really only one..So,How would i set them up.and,on the phase side,should 1 be on (0) and the other sub be on(180)? thanks..joe l
Very good information; Thank You !
I have the option of getting 2 8 inch or two 10 inch, this video makes a compelling argument for the 8.
I may be a slight exception to the "I don't care how big your towers are" comment. Each of my tower speakers has 2 independent subwoofers, so 4 subwoofers on independent DSP and amplifier channels. (10" ported plus 12" PR.) It's inspired by the Genelec W371A. But it's all powered by one of your amps, so I think we're good.
the moving mass is stopped by the non-ported interior volume of air in the subwoofer (kiss it goodbye if it's ported), and also by the mass of air against the cone, so you want greater cone surface area per unit of moving mass.
My 8 inch i put on the room corner is it good desition sir
Great video about using dual subs. I upgraded about a year and a 1/2 ago from the s8 to the xS10. Very recently I upgraded from a Cambridge Audio AXR receiver to a CA CXA integrated amp. I remembered watching this video and dug the s8 out of storage and hooked it up to the amp's preamp outputs.
I toggled to the power switch on and off for comparison and there is a distinct difference in performance when both are on. The bass sounds cleaner and fuller, with better staging. 9:19 9:19
I have an integrated DAC/AMP (Yamaha wxa 50) and passive speakers (PSB Imagine XB). I’m thinking of getting the Emotiva Flex S8.
The amp does not have LFE or high pass crossover on it- so I assume I need to run from amp to sub, then sub to speakers?
If I do it this way- it will be with speaker wire- not RCA inputs. Does this mean I lose the LFE and high pass crossover functions?
The S8 does not have a high-level output, so you can't feed the speakers from it. But you can split the speaker output, some amps, like Emotiva's mono-blocs have two sets of output posts so you connect one set to sub high level and the other to your speakers, but you won't get a crossover that way, just level and maybe phase.
So you'd need a separate amp and put the sub between the processor and amp. :(
There are subs with HL input and output though, so one of those is likely a better option for your application.
curious you drew sound waves coming from the front speaker but yet there is a speaker on the bottom what type of waves or sound comes from the bottom speaker does that just go into the floor whats the deal with the downward faceing speaker ?
Q: If you're going to use multiple subs for a home theatre and the Direc room correction, should each sub be on their own VSub-1 (say for a 7-3-6 system), or just one VSub-1 connected to all 3?
3 subs? Is using 3 subs advisable or is it better to use either 2 or 4
If you are going to sit in the exact same spot and position the single sub right, do you still need a second sub?
Awesome review, very informative👍
Wow that v-sub tranmitter/receiver device sounds like a great idea.
good video. Really interested in checking out one of these subwoofers. Thanks!
Glad we could help!
Friggen great tool this video is thank you for sharing your knowledge, Personally I think the biggest sound killer in every home is the wife/girlfriend. "Does it really have to be that loud" ( in the most annoying loud pitched voice during the absolute best scene of the movie.
Women 🤦🏻. They simply don’t understand to feel and hear every little detail.
Good stuff!
Thank you!
With the virtual system, do we lose the ability to use the high pass filter as we would with a wired setup? Thank you.
How about mounting a sub on the wall, let's say 20 cm high. I plan to make a 10mm steel mount for it so the rigity or such are not the issue. But will the sub with mottom speaker/bottom port play wrong when lifted 20cm off the floor?
We have never personally done this. The hardest part would be making sure there will be no added sound from the vibrations since usually any of those are absorbed by the feet and the floor.
Good presentation had me glued to the end.
Thank you.
The intro sounds great on my Blaupunkt 8 under my truck seat
I’m not paying $150 for an audio transmitter... I’ll just make my own for 5 to 15 dollars from scrap parts. It would have to be $50 or less for me to even consider buying it.
Sir is the size of subwoofer?
And pls can you tell me the dimensions of the cabinet ...that u are showing in this video.. pls 🙏🙏
So im little late here. But how will it work in to additional open wall on one side like 13 feet open side
Eventually there will be a back wall or something that the sound hits unless the back of your room is a literal black hole. If you have a troubling space, we recommend looking up the Subwoofer Crawl and follow that strategy for finding the best locations for sub placement for optimal performance in your listening position.
Hi Sir... I am Confusing in taking Decision for front firing driver Vs Down Firing Driver Subwoofers, Which is Best ..?
The one in the video kind of gives you both in one box. :)
There's also the "sealed vs ported" choice too. All of them have plus/minus, ported play louder but can be "boomy".
If you've thick carpet, probably ftont/side firing is better. Placement options play into it two. But always get at least two, more than 4 is probably a waste unless you have a large room to fill (diminshing returns) or a large budget or want to split bass redirect from LFE (which is a great thing to do). Then you want 2 for each as a minimum (4).
So maybe start by sizing two subs from your room size and budget and try that out.
@@eubikedude Thank You
Would have been great if we could have a closeup shot of the rear end.
Sounds Naughty
Thanks sir for information i understand now zone dead is really 👍
I’m remodeling a small diner and have 1400 sq feet to cover on an L shaped dining room- have 4 ceiling speakers which cover area great but how can I cover it with bass? Where how should I hook up these subs?
You would have to have the subs in place to start and then do the famous subwoofer crawl to help find the nulls in the room to help you identify whats happening. Though, adding more subs would help cancel out these issues.
8" and 10" subs are hard to beat for musical applications. I have 2 10's on my living room system and 2 8's on my bedroom system.
I wish you had focused on the white board so as to get better understanding of the sound stage.
When will ever stop sending the bass into the floor? Some experts say elevate them. Especially on wood floor. Hope that helps someone out there. Its a good rabbit hole if nothing else. 👍
the bass in my setup from the subwoofer is only good when I'm standing up or very far away. It's almost too subtle whenever I'm in my seating position. Any ideas why?
Your seating area is probably in a giant null. I recommend doing the "subwoofer crawl" to try and point out a different location for your subwoofers to see if that fixes the issue.
For my PCs sound system I went with a 12" subwoofer facing the corner, an 8" sub aimed at my crotch, and a 7" sub aimed down at the huge dining room table I use as a computer desk since my speakers and 43" monitor won't fit on a normal desk. Those are combined with two pairs of better-quality (but still not great quality) Logitech speakers and a pair of vintage Bose 305s powered by a $40 Pyle mini-amp, but the system didn't fully come alive until I added a pair of $50, no-name bookshelf speakers that sound so good they may actually defy physics, actually seem to perform to the manufacturer's claim of a 40-18,000 Hz frequency response (and the 5" drivers actually keep oscillating down to about 18 Hz), and match my decorum's and RGB's color scheme of black and red. The entire setup cost around $700 and I would put it up against most any system under $5000 - my RTA says 22-19,000 Hz at +- 4.5 dB at 114 peak dB, and I hear little id any distortion, but then again I'm not an audiophile, just hobbyist.
It bears mentioning that my goal was only to provide a "sweet spot" in the central position in which I sit when using the PC, and all measurements were taken from there.
Please Can I connect my inbuilt subwoofer to this subwoofer
Moving mass will be taken care of higher magnetic strength (BL) in bigger subs. Please correct me .... If it's wrong ...
It will, but also needs more amp power = more cost generally. It also gets harder to control tightly so you start needing DSP or other feedback system (like Rythmik audio use). Which also adds to the cost. This is a $300 sub. :)
there is no replacement for displacement..
What is the delay in using those transmitters compared to wired sub?
They are super low latency so you won't notice any delay.
Where should place the subwoofer? On the ground or on the desk/table
floor is best
Could the transmitter be used on soundbars?
Ohh! Two woofers in one sorprendente!
How much power in the sub amp?
Good to see you Lonnie. I hope you are doing well in this crazy Covid-19 time. Great explanation on the Subwoofer tech.
Lonnie rocks! Love this man 👨
Is there a diy solution for making existing speakers wiressless with no compromise. For Ht and serious music listing
Theres a bluetooth dongle for that
Nice , Very informative !
i found putting it behind my couch makes for the best spot
This is an interesting concept. Taking a small sub and augmenting your big main sub to correct room nulls. My question is this... I have a BIG dual opposed 18" Power Sound Audio subwoofer on the front wall of my theatre. It's an incredible sub, capable of quality output almost into the single digits but alas in my room, my main listening position appears to be in a nasty null, where I'm losing quite a bit of bass. Meanwhile, further back in the room, the bass is way too loud. By adding one or two of these smaller subs, could it couple with the big sub to eliminate the nulls? What would I be hearing in my main listening position? These little subs? Or the quality sound of my big, expensive sub?
I’d like to piggyback with this Q; adding a small sub such as this to a massive sub like this PSA (in an effort to eliminate nulls) wouldn’t room correction such as Dirac or Odyssey then weaken the stronger PSA while essentially seeing both subs as one?
@@CMA1967 I would likely run my room correction software, so it could tune the speakers accordingly, but then tune the subs separately using MiniDSP and REW. I would use one sub out on the processor and then run that into the MiniDSP and then time align and gain match the various subs before EQ'ing them all as a single entity.
I’m in the same boat. Got a great PSA sub (Tom knows how to build them!) and although it’s wonderful, one sub just can’t fill my entire room. I’d love to add at least one more smaller sub but not sure how well they’d play with one another…
Wow very slick!
The 8” subs give better bass for scenes with helicopters or tight bass scenes or music. I have a 12” sub for my deep,deep bass and a 8”er. I like the purchase I made. When I listen to music I turn off the 12”er and leave the 8”er on. Tight even bass. My 8er is in the back of my room and my 12 is in the front by the towers. This system works.
I had to 12”subs in my system. It sounded like sh&@&&. A trained audio ear told me to try the big sub and a small sub route.
can i run this between a DAC to powered speakers using RCA with the crossover functionality?
Yes, DAC output -> sub input -> sub output -> speaker input.
your neighbors below you in your condo will love you
What is the delay of VSub-1?
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Whats the cost of the wireless wifi transmitters for the subs??
It depends where you live, pricing is on the Emotiva web shop (emotiva.com) and you can select your country for shipping costs but without import duties/taxes.
Can you use those transmitters for any speaker or just subs?
They are specifically designed to be used with subs.
what would hapen in the one in the bnack was outa phaze with the one in the frount
Can I run two of the 8’s with a TA 100 and a A 100 to achieve Bass management for my turntable and Elac Bookshelves
Yes. You can connect one or two of these between your sources and speakers no problem. They have "high level" inputs, so worst case you can just connect them by splitting the speaker cables. But you can most likely (and it's the better way) connect the sub where you normally feed your A100. i.e. from source output, to sub and then to the A100.
@@eubikedude I just went with the SE 12 and the TA-100 but for some reason certain songs will cause it to make a popping sound. I can’t figure out why
I want 1...2 purfect + a bonus not having to run cables
my question is how many subs can the processor support before sub sub processor would be a need not to mention sub processing option where you have a 7 channel main plus the effects channel 14-21 channel with daisey chaining subs if you got the capacity within the processor to stop dead zone if you were applt subs throughout room you would be looking a delay response time between each sub
though if you are going to consider something within 4 channels for sub output from processor you could be looking at 28 subs if a 7 channel output is applied
you can be looking at 7-14-21-28 speaker alone
though I would have to ask what is going to between the main processor and the amp to upto 28 effects speakers
I already own enough speakers to effectively do a 10.2 audio setup with purchase of 2 more subs 10,4
center left
center right
front height left and right
front wide left and right
main front left and right
4 rears left and right
if you were to aooly sony's model from the 1990's was 22.6 you still need secondary processor to double the channel output from main processor..
at the moment i'm looking for proper 1u options to cater for more hdmi inputs
but what about the delay between highs and lows?
Hello from Ottawa Canada Loonie !
Great subwoofer (s) placement explanation!
that guy gives me the military type vibe haha He just dosnt care... :P
How would I hook something like this to my active Emotiva 4's which I have hooked up by a splitter cable with 1/8 into my desktop computer?
You would need a DAC or preamp that has a subwoofer output.
Lol, I need less bass out of my system. Have a 12” paradigm ported sub and have the level on it turned down to 20%. Have a 13’ by 17’ room, it’s a mid sized room I guess. The bass is so powerful it is crazy. I wonder if I would be better off with a non ported subwoofer. Mainly watch movies
rew,umiq 1,minidsp,proper sub placement and seet position.google it and learn about room modes.
@Emotiva Audio
Lonnie, Why not have the driver in the front and the passive in the bottom? Thanks. Oh, also, is there any benefit or detraction by raising these off of the floor? And, pros and cons of a carpeted floor.
I bought one of these Emotiva 8" subs. I like it. I have paired it with my old 50 watt, 8" sub. I hope to tune the whole 5.1 + 1 system this weekend. So far I enjoy the extra bass with two subs. The couch shakes now! @Emotiva Audio, please answer my questions above.
Now that I have had my Emotiva 8" sub and have tried it in a couple of places it really helps the bottom end. In an attempt to get even tighter punch I've laid it on it's side with the driver toward the room. Ummm - better so far. More testing to do while it is on it's side. Seems downward driver is not the way to go, at least on a fully carpeted floor.
Well, I am no longer impressed with this sub. It's now just; "okay, I have a supposedly 200 watt sub". I would really like to test the plate amp to find out if it can make the 200 watts. I've been experimenting with placement in the room and the crossover settings in my receiver, but I just don't think I'm getting what Lonnie (in this video) says I can. I have been thinking about moving the driver from the bottom to the front and putting the passive radiator in the bottom. I may call Emotiva before doing this to find out if they have a good reason not to. If nothing helps, I'm gonna save up for a SVS PB1000 sub and maybe use this one as the second sub.
Update: Thanks to a phone call to Emotiva I have been assured that this little sub can fill my needs. So, I put his suggestions to use. I also re-watched a couple of sub tuning videos. I tried the S8 sub in many places in the front of my room and moving it an inch at a time can make a difference. Once I found the best place for sound and appearance I adjusted the "distance" setting in my Denon AVR to align the timing to the main speakers. I found that I had to almost double the measured distance. I found out that one foot = one millisecond of bass frequency movement. Now I have BOOM in my room and a hard working impressive sub-woofer. I did not change the crossover or the gain, just the placement and the timing. Oh, I did place this sub on a pair of 2x4s on edge to give the down firing driver room to breath over my carpeted floor. Thanks again for the help and advice from tech support at Emotiva.
Hmmm that looks just like the REL T7x subwoofer, it even has a high frequency input, calls D vs Class A/B amp, but essentially the same, right down to the specs... Nice, and only $329 vs $1100.
god damm this is good information
I agree!! Guy knows his stuff
Excellent video. Last week Friday I ordered my second Emotiva BASX 5175 amplifier. Are those wireless transmitters compatible with any subwoofer or are they exclusive to Emotiva subs?
They will work with any subwoofer.
Hey Chavassea I have one of those also, operating well. Buy another one wow don't get me started.👍
@@brettspicer6463 Hey man... Yep I did buy another BASX 5175 on a crazy discount...( Under $500 ) and it's being delivered in Tuesday next week!
The difference it's made to my system is staggering.
How many woofs could a woof sub woof if a sub woof could woof sub?
Depends on sensitivity and dead zone location. Peace ✌️
He doesn't care what your room looks like 😎
my 2 12" klipsch subs absolutely destroy my JBL Eon618 PA sub in the same size space...I figured the 1 18" was enough but nope...need to add a 15" to the setup...18 is massive and just don't have the room for another 18 lol.
Would this be able to work with my Samsung Q90R soundbar? I've always wanted 2 bass speakers as one just doesn't cut it
I have a better idea just don’t have a seat in the dead zone. There you go!! Problem solved! Haha!! So I just purchased 2 definitive technology subs. Man these baby’s hit like nothing I ever heard before. I need the link to purchase your wireless transmitters. Thanks!!!
Sit next to a bass :D
A single 8? Man I have 4 twelves on a 1500w amp and still want a lil more!
Man all I have is a tiny floor sub and like one working small speaker cause the other one died or something I need to get better stuff but hey. It beats TV speakers so I'm happy lol
Make sure you have the output set to mono then, or you will be missing some of the sounds! ;)
How to get amazing bass: get an 8 inch sub...lol
Nah a 16 inch as the pb16 ultra think about I'll buy one
Cheers 🔥
Why would I want the most bass unless I bought an undersized sub?
That dead zone is exactly what I've found - not exactly dead but a lot quieter in the low bass. I just don't listen in the 'dead zone'.
Problem solved. No need for second woofer - and you'll save £1000 or $1250
Also might be time to do the subwoofer crawl.
#love it!
1st Harmonic Null = 50%
Dayton audio puts to powerful of an amp that fries its drivers. I buy subs cheap. Usually not the amp that fails.
Im looking for a subwoofer that has a nice bass for music i dont want to listen too loud because of i live in an appartment. Is this subwoofer good for music?
The smaller 8" sub is very fast and not overpowering. I think it would be a perfect sub for music.
I like this, but with 4 12's in all corners instead of 8's.
Room size and room acoustics come into play for sure.
Buy Dolby Atmos on your Xbox and you'll get even more sound for your sound system. This will be a good way to block out those annoying 10 hour day outdoor workers. Roofers or road workers.
Interesting