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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

Комментарии • 145

  • @SeekerHead
    @SeekerHead  День назад +67

    While it is true our french Rafale can only do 6 MICA, Indian versions of the same plane can do 8. It seems 2 more MICAs have been found in a datamine 5 minutes after this upload! Whether or not that means this rafale will get them or not is unsure at this time, we'll have to see. But add that to the list of WRONG information this week from SeekerHead!

    • @AboodTurbo
      @AboodTurbo День назад +6

      Imagine if they add the IR MICA, it's gonna be insane

    • @Michael-IR
      @Michael-IR День назад

      Smin already hinted for this addition so its highly possible they will be added tomorrow.

    • @ruan21101
      @ruan21101 День назад

      @@Michael-IR if that were the case shouldn't the asraam be added too? and the other equavelents?

    • @Michael-IR
      @Michael-IR День назад +1

      @@ruan21101 I was talking about additional MICA-EM pylons, not MICA-IR

    • @ruan21101
      @ruan21101 День назад

      @@Michael-IR ah, okay I missunderstood. sorry

  • @BufferThunder
    @BufferThunder День назад +83

    Btw, its getting 8 mica-ems and 12 more flares really soon

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад +8

      pinned comment :)

    • @BufferThunder
      @BufferThunder День назад

      @@SeekerHead yay!

    • @Marco-cg7fb
      @Marco-cg7fb День назад +4

      It should get more than 12 extre more countermeassures. Currently it has 8 countermeassures per module, when it should have 18 countermeassures per module. So possibly an increase to 72 large countermeassures on top of the chaff.

    • @MessInMines
      @MessInMines 23 часа назад +2

      Damn, I was hoping we could use the small loadout of Rafale to get Gaijin to fix the MICA's range.
      I guess it beats them not doing nothing tho.

    • @evangalinsky2499
      @evangalinsky2499 23 часа назад +2

      @@Marco-cg7fb 72 is only for normal caliber CM's, not large caliber. It can have 72 but not 72 large caliber CM's. They would be "normal" flares. IRL however these aren't normal, even if normal sized, because they're designed to specifically mimic the IR signature of the Rafale.

  • @nicolaspeigne1429
    @nicolaspeigne1429 День назад +13

    32 large caliber flares or 72 medium caliber chaff is the official loads of the countermeasures boxes on the back of the rafale, people are arguing for having the option to select 72 medium caliber flares instead of the 32 large caliber ones.
    But frankly if i had to choose i'd rather see the 2 additional MICAs on the 2nd station pylons, which was tested and mounted on this version of the plane, before being adopted by India for their Rafale F3 and France for their F4

  • @brunobegic3841
    @brunobegic3841 День назад +6

    Damn, I can't wait for that Gripen E with seven fox3's, two fox2's and a targeting pod.

    • @Veinseven
      @Veinseven 17 часов назад

      they will probably nerf it go the ground since a lot of players think "gripen is not that good irl" xdd.. i also believe it wont get meteor first even tho it should.

  • @SharkGoesRawr
    @SharkGoesRawr День назад +12

    It's already announced for it to get 8 micas

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад

      pinned comment! my bad

    • @ErayDl
      @ErayDl День назад

      Where

    • @jessegm1
      @jessegm1 22 часа назад

      Source for that?

  • @Pedarkhor
    @Pedarkhor 23 часа назад +11

    Just wait for gaijew to sell a crap ton of Mirage F-1C 200s in sales just to nerf the f out of the Rafale after that

    • @syntec9555
      @syntec9555 22 часа назад

      Really thought about buying that thing but that actually might happen. On the other hand this is the new top tier now and there may be even more broken stuff in the near future. Who knows. Just need something new after grinding the whole US and Ussr tree lol

    • @Pedarkhor
      @Pedarkhor 21 час назад

      @syntec9555 I mostly play air
      I have US and Sweden top tier but no ground top tier
      Yet my plans for sales are MiG-23ML and Mirage F-1C 200
      Stupid? Yes
      I enjoy air? Yes

    • @jaek__
      @jaek__ 17 часов назад

      @@Pedarkhortbh it’s an investment i think it’s only going to get better

  • @dishko-3
    @dishko-3 День назад +7

    For me Rafale is like Gripen when it came out. It was F-15 vs Su-27 and then there was his small guy named JAS39A who did wonders and could slam them both. And now its F-15E vs. Eurofighter and then there is this guy called Rafale who is just minding his own business and when you go to his personal space he shoot's MICA at you and you're dead.

  • @mangosuppe8706
    @mangosuppe8706 6 часов назад

    3:23 One thing about this argument, with the exception of around 3-4 top tier aircraft I think have an ungodly amount of countermeasures, you can just spam flares, and the Su-27 literally becomes the same plane than before you had R-73s (good luck hitting a R-77 that close) it's literally how you defeat, you just spam flares for around 12 seconds and then all it's speed is gone, then you just keep holding S and then your S beats their S

  • @justsomebunni7492
    @justsomebunni7492 8 часов назад +1

    and it now has 8 missiles

  • @kithida2654
    @kithida2654 День назад +9

    3:31 all Flankers got a pretty good buff to their turn rate and the Su27SM now has the Su34 engines on top of that, hope u can check that out maybe make a video on it?

    • @cshan2313
      @cshan2313 День назад

      I would love to see a video on it too

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад +3

      ill be checking them out yeah

    • @stringzzzzz
      @stringzzzzz 15 часов назад

      ​@@SeekerHeaddude i did some tests and found that the flanker now beats almost everything in the ratefight if you keep your speed up. It straight up wins against the f15a now and even the f16 has a hard time against it. Definitely check it out. It also feels quite a bit faster with the new engines.

  • @Theratsnatcher
    @Theratsnatcher 14 часов назад +2

    8-mica em we are so not cooked guys!!!!!

  • @MH-ff6zr
    @MH-ff6zr День назад +1

    technically the rafale could bring at least 8 micas in a game. The aircraft can carry two additional micas under the wings, between the flaps and the two wingtip missiles.
    Plus it could carry two more (10 total) under the main fuselage, where the fuel tank is placed.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад

      yeah i have a pinned comment

    • @Michael-IR
      @Michael-IR День назад

      You are thinking of Rafale A tech-demo which is basically a different aircraft which only ever carried mockup missiles.

    • @MH-ff6zr
      @MH-ff6zr 16 часов назад

      @@Michael-IR the two missiles under the fuselage were only showed on a tech demo aircraft yes.
      But the two others between the flaps and the wingtips are operational

  • @a_catfish5180
    @a_catfish5180 22 часа назад

    Thrust vectoring missiles just make a lot of sense when talking about high AOA planes with HMD! The f15 has the spirit of an f104 when it comes to GO FAST and it’s using the speed for range
    while the euro canards or specifically the rafale (gaijin please add my gripen E) focus more on the “close range” where the high off bore and high AOA means you’re never safe (granted, close range being very relatively here)

  • @SgtWillson123
    @SgtWillson123 День назад +1

    Another thing with the rafale when you lock a plane and they shoot a missile sometimes the radar will switch to the missile and blows the mood.

    • @fagalon9152
      @fagalon9152 23 часа назад +1

      Same with the EF2000. I think its just a radar problem as a whole

  • @Elbereth_TV
    @Elbereth_TV 21 час назад

    Rafael gets 32 large caliber, but theyre 50mm instead of 60, where as if it wants more it gets 60 medium 40mm ones

  • @lgghaskd5676
    @lgghaskd5676 18 часов назад

    i think you're right about the Eurofighter being not a good match for it's missiles. When it does get the Iris-T it would solve that, but it is probably to early for that missile.

    • @Veinseven
      @Veinseven 17 часов назад

      Yes and i think someone said the same thing about the MICA IR.. it is too early for them..

  • @Marco-cg7fb
    @Marco-cg7fb День назад

    It is aesa, it’s just modeled weird. It has 2 scans in one effectivly. It scans normally, but then also has a super fast scan at rhe same time. It seems like it updates targets inside a cone shape of the selected target in tws continuously.

  • @muhamadafrifauzi5695
    @muhamadafrifauzi5695 17 часов назад

    Typhoon will be deadly when the ASRAAM or any thrust vectoring missile be added to the game, but for now, it only relies on its speed to escape, while Rafale can maximize its close quartert potential thanks to MICA.

    • @alaricpumani5372
      @alaricpumani5372 17 часов назад +2

      Imagine getting the Spectra EW for Rafale 😢😅

    • @mathieu722
      @mathieu722 11 часов назад +1

      Well Rafale still also have room for improvment ingame, and in reverse as close fight upgrade for the EFs, for BVR:
      SPECTRA EW suit (recent test in India showed it can fry a Su-30 radar)
      Spectral flares (it don't use "basic" large flare but intelligent one, they mimic the plane IR signature, way stronger and modern than basic flares we have ingame, hence "only" 32 large flare IRL (if it don't take 72 basic small flare))
      Reduced FCM (specially from front)
      MICA EM getting their real range (80km)
      MICA IR (dual link, TVC, slaved by the plane etc etc..) with 70km of range (while ASRAAM and IRIS-T have ~18/20km)
      etc
      And of course for way later upgrade (Rafale F4.2, F5..), MICA NG EM and MICA NG IR (NG= New Generation) with more upgrade alongside ~20km of range added)

    • @alaricpumani5372
      @alaricpumani5372 11 часов назад

      @@mathieu722 You even forgot Data link channel 16, be able to show on radar and HMS what other Rafale see, and be able to lock air/sea/ground target to other Rafale, also... where is the ground and sea radar mode? And why max altitude is 13thousand?

  • @matheusarrudasantos2205
    @matheusarrudasantos2205 9 часов назад

    but also comes that the eurofighter is better at bvr also (+ meteors that are yet to come), so its 2 for EF and 1 for Rafale.
    the eurofighter will have the ASRAAM, so i expect both to be equal at the end (i dont know if the rafale has hypersonic missiles)
    what i am saying is, if the eurofighter can keep the distance (and it can) the EF can win and the rafale cant do nothing about it, at the end it all comes down to the player

  • @Not_Octopus
    @Not_Octopus 21 час назад

    The weakness of the Rafale in a 16v16, is the fact there are so many planes.

  • @Hawkeye6941
    @Hawkeye6941 14 часов назад

    I wouldn't mind the Rafale only having 6 missile if they gave us the ir mica. Look the mica em doesn't have great range and usually want it under 15 km so it can't snipe. And I don't know what type of irccm it used, but if anything give it the same that the magic 2 has.

  • @luoeain2026
    @luoeain2026 9 часов назад

    Rafale is one of the topdogs in late game or small matich, but I still prefer J10 for its average game experience, J10 has more solid radar and PL12 is balance in both close and long range shot (its countermeasures is also not enough)

  • @phantom_ii4594
    @phantom_ii4594 5 часов назад

    The F-15C and F-16C are so cooked compared to the eurofighter and rafale, its not even close

  • @batlax18
    @batlax18 22 часа назад +1

    I feel like gaijin speedruns how fast they can make YT videos outdated

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  20 часов назад

      This update has been a sloppy mess from them, one of the worst I’ve seen in a long time

    • @conflictclips
      @conflictclips 20 часов назад

      ​@@SeekerHeaddon't blame gaijin. Blame Sony and their stupid christmas update policy.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  16 часов назад

      I understand that's the reason. But Gaijin knows the dates every year. There's no reason they can't be more prepared.

  • @mariomarkus2131
    @mariomarkus2131 15 часов назад

    Su27sm flight model is not trash,it got buffed

  • @ferborn86
    @ferborn86 День назад

    I usually like to carry one or two Magic 2 for the guys hugging the ground, I almost have as many kills with them as with the MICAs.

  • @SharkMerchant
    @SharkMerchant День назад

    Still think the J10 has a claim for top dog with that 85 degree HMD . Excited for the variants w more engine power

  • @tylerhope752
    @tylerhope752 20 часов назад

    Can you do a bit of testing with the magic 2? Its been missing a bit more shots lately for me, Im using it in sim with the F1C-200, Pre patch it almost never missed or went for flares, Now it feels like it goes for flares more and isn't pulling as hard
    Could be glitchy though, I had some matches where i could not see or hear my missles or flares, But they still killed targets

  • @justus_invictus991
    @justus_invictus991 День назад +4

    That camo goes H A R D. Is that a GE camo?

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад +1

      User skin :(

    • @justus_invictus991
      @justus_invictus991 День назад

      @SeekerHead awwwwww :(

    • @Reaver3214
      @Reaver3214 День назад

      It's actually GE Camo now​@@SeekerHead

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад

      it isnt the same. there's no white

    • @Michael-IR
      @Michael-IR День назад

      @@SeekerHead There's no white on irl camo. Its light silver

  • @kryperdev
    @kryperdev 8 часов назад

    I am just waiting for MICA-IR to came to game. That will be fun.

  • @raketny_hvost
    @raketny_hvost 16 часов назад

    waitin for all first day bugs to be fixed and vids about Su family buffs. i personally think this buff was liiiitle bit not completed, but it's definitely better than nothing

  • @baconater3824
    @baconater3824 День назад +1

    The french rafale can do 8 MICAs what are you talking about? There are photos of it carrying MICAs on all 3 underwing/wingtip pylons in combination with various ground ordnance, in addition to the 2 fuselage pylons. It doesn't carry 6 irl but it is very clearly capable of it if needed.

    • @dyson-lemmling7171
      @dyson-lemmling7171 День назад

      The 8 missles are either on the Indian F3-R or the french F4 versions... But not the french F3-R we have.
      On the other hand, they gave the Rafale one of it's three air-air missles... So that's with the "realistic" standpoint from gaijin.

    • @baconater3824
      @baconater3824 23 часа назад

      ​@@dyson-lemmling7171 I dont understand how people like you and seek dont know how to do research.
      Google 'rafale F3' and there are hundreds of images with MICAs on the wintip, inner wing and fuselage pylons. This is the standard combat and patrol loadout. There are very few to none with MICAs on the outer underwing pylons. But if you, I dont know, look at weapon expos, you can see on oct 25, 2010 on a rafale F3 with the French Air Force demonstrated rafale F3s (before the F4 even existed) with MICA IR on the wingtip, a meteor on the inner underwing pylon and (whats this????) a MICA EM ALSO on the outer underwing pylon.
      Do the math: the wintip pylon, outer underwing, inner underwing and fuselage pylons are all capable of using MICAs on a rafale F3, since this can be mirrored on the other side that gives a loadout of 8 MICAs.

    • @NsK363
      @NsK363 20 часов назад

      @@dyson-lemmling7171 this is the big controversy here. Dassault DID test the plane with 8 available pylons for MICA's, we have PLENTY of proofs. The french army, DIDN'T buy 8 pylons until F.4. But since when in WT we have things that only fit what the army used ? If we use this logic we can remove the Mirage 4000 as it's just a Dassault vehicule, as well as the AMX 40, AMX 32, B1 ter, and plenty of other vehicules in french tt but all others as well.
      This all controversy is just about double standards from Gaijiin depending vehicules. I don't really blame them because it's so hard to keep consistency over thousands of vehicules that you have to balance etc...

  • @emilelerate6454
    @emilelerate6454 День назад +1

    This thing and the mirage 2000 are not different enough to justify .3 br. I still don't understand why the rest of the 4th gen ARH slingers were not moved to 14.0.

    • @NsK363
      @NsK363 20 часов назад

      With 8 MICA's loadout confirmed + Scorpion HMD + AESA radar + Flight performance + IRST....imo even +0.7 would not be crazy lol

  • @jimyeetast9335
    @jimyeetast9335 День назад

    I agree 👍🏿 with everything in this vid. Close range weapons on a dogfight turning jet is better suited for the plane.

  • @user45g-4c5rf
    @user45g-4c5rf День назад

    By the way, this skin (white tiger) is cool but it's the one of the Rafale M.

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад

      It’s a user skin, not official in game

  • @atlasrowe864
    @atlasrowe864 22 часа назад

    Micas are insane however I think it’ll equal out with the Eurofighter once the IRST is fixed because that at close range with the 9m will be great.
    Until then tho rafale doms the close range but thats still not that great cause a 1v1 close range fight is as rare as me getting laid XD

  • @Bmoney98
    @Bmoney98 День назад

    Have you tried this thing against the j10?

  • @fagalon9152
    @fagalon9152 23 часа назад

    This is what ive been saying from the start, and honestly now people have really clocked onto it because of the hype of the Rafale and now top tier has become borderline un-fucking-playable. Even compared to what it was BEFORE. I mean ffs if you get anywhere CLOSE to an M2K or Rafale, regardless of direction, you just fucking die. which is already hard enough because they're most of the team, MICAs still have very potent range for what they are AND the pathetic joke that is the spotting system means most times you'll just get launched on by a guy you never even saw coming, either that or theres so many alerts going off through your headset that you cant look around to find the bastard before he launches on you. That and they all just stay low, so good luck sitting at range and picking them off while they just Multipath everything that comes their way.
    TL:DR this is what i've said since ARH was added, now theres so many MICA-EMs in one lobby that the game is just not fun, even compared to what it was before. If you're french, just multipath until you can Lock N' Launch, if not, Better hope your BVR goes well cuz thats about 75% of your match.

  • @ShyeHD
    @ShyeHD 4 часа назад

    20 hours after ur video, i can equip 8 MICA's :p

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  Час назад

      Yeah this has been one of the sloppiest updates I can recall

  • @nowa2425
    @nowa2425 День назад

    Or as defyn would say the ravioli

  • @zooom7452
    @zooom7452 21 час назад

    Indian Rafael?

  • @FujisamaProductions
    @FujisamaProductions 21 час назад

    IT IS RUH FALL

  • @RJFlyer
    @RJFlyer День назад

    150 in 10m, its seover

  • @jakubbudka8120
    @jakubbudka8120 13 часов назад

    Mica is realy good

  • @Theratsnatcher
    @Theratsnatcher 14 часов назад

    seeker head can't catch break from the WRONG information this week from SeekerHead!🙏🏽🙏🏽🧑🏽‍🦯🗣

  • @Michael-IR
    @Michael-IR День назад +2

    Id still say that EFT has more overall potential than Rafale. While AIM-120/AIM-9M combo isnt as powerful as MICAs EFT still carries a very potent kit allowing it to dictate the fight for both ARB team matches or end game 1v1s. It is certainly lots of fun tho

  • @nikolaieh0624
    @nikolaieh0624 День назад +10

    No views in 36 seconds. Seek fell off

    • @DankChallenger
      @DankChallenger День назад +1

      how can he fall off if he was never up there? dude has shit takes lmao. look what he said about the euro

    • @pushkafreedomforall8887
      @pushkafreedomforall8887 20 часов назад

      You 2 act like elementary kids I feel bad for you 2 because you probably are not. He is doing just fine and he is not wrong you 2 have tunnel vision only see one plane right now.

    • @nikolaieh0624
      @nikolaieh0624 13 часов назад

      @@pushkafreedomforall8887 Feel bad for you too as you don’t seems as though you can take a joke

  • @mikeyplayzwrld
    @mikeyplayzwrld День назад

    117 views in 10 minutes????? Dude might’ve ACTUALLY fallen off

  • @ghost0d077
    @ghost0d077 День назад +1

    I love how easily this plane turns but you literally can not use this plane what so ever at the same time. The wings rip so easily it’s insane, nor can you use the engines fully. It makes 0 sense. This plane honestly is garbage the mirage is better in almost every way.
    1. More missiles
    2. Better functioning radar
    3. Wings don’t rip
    4. The engine can actually continually hold thrust without having to worry about getting a (reduce speed) warning
    5. Not worried about dog fights this is war thunder getting third partied is the normal
    6.more flares
    Who cares about how well you can turn if your always worried about your speed, considering thier is 16 other planes you have to worry about watching speed every 10 seconds is way to much in the scheme of things, you have missiles being fired at you from every direction

    • @dyson-lemmling7171
      @dyson-lemmling7171 День назад

      Yeah it kinda feels like that, though the extra thrust is useful in some situations.

  • @zooloomods
    @zooloomods День назад +1

    10:00 Not really, because the only difference between the EM and IR versions is the seeker and range. They are exactly the same missile, with the EM having a range of 80 km and the IR 60 km. That's all you can use the EM just like the IR in every way
    edit: Bonne vidéo, ceci dit

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  День назад +2

      The issue is the IR is basically unflarable. Not good for gameplay

    • @elkrumb9159
      @elkrumb9159 День назад

      The MICA IR would be an ET on crack and yes it literally would be stronger than all of the IR missiles combined, it literally has AIM-9X levels of IRCCM

    • @zooloomods
      @zooloomods День назад

      ​@@SeekerHeadThis is exactly the same situation as with Fox 3 missiles before we got them. Everyone was saying, 'Fox 3 will break the game,' and now we have Fox 3s and the game is fine. They could create a game mode for Fox 2s, just like they did for Fox 3s, to test how they would perform in a realistic battle

    • @Loudward__
      @Loudward__ День назад

      @@zooloomodsThe game is not fine.

    • @emonster317
      @emonster317 День назад

      @@zooloomodsthe game is not fine

  • @HunterOutdoor486
    @HunterOutdoor486 День назад

    five mins not even 100 views bro fell off

  • @Trigger_finger
    @Trigger_finger 20 часов назад

    the Typhoon would have a better weapon kit if they got the ASRAAM for the British and Italian Typhoons and the IRIS-T for the German Typhoons but we all know gaijin is never going to add either of those missiles

    • @mathieu722
      @mathieu722 11 часов назад

      But if that happen Rafale can also have MICA IR, so it's still capable to have amazing kit alongside thoses.

  • @EdvardAxelsson
    @EdvardAxelsson День назад

    W Seek

  • @GG2Gaming
    @GG2Gaming 21 час назад +1

    Rafale only good cause mica, and it ain’t good cause it French, stinky French plane.😂 it’s not gonna be good when eurofighter gets 9x or asraam so I only expect it to be relevant for a few months plus eurofighter just stay at Mach 1.6 high altitude and Rafale screwed so yeah. Again stinky french plane🤣

    • @SeekerHead
      @SeekerHead  21 час назад +1

      Nobody is going to take a comment like that seriously, you just kind of sound like a French hater

    • @shacharabutbul
      @shacharabutbul 20 часов назад +1

      we get it,u dont like fighting and rather stay in space sling ur amraams and go back to base,leave it to rafale players to actually use their brain

    • @mathieu722
      @mathieu722 11 часов назад

      Sounds like a typical case of small brains fed on hate.
      Someone gonna be in for a surprise when the MICA IR arrives, specially since it have even more range than ASRAAM (~18km) or IRIS-T (~20km) with it's 70km of range, and can do all the good things of a modern top IR missile (slaving, dual link, 180° launch, still TVC, etc..)