Hunter, what controls do you use so that you can manually zoom in the TGP? I tried the Zoom axis thing, but it is really not practical because it takes so long to zoom eventho I have the multiplier maxed out in settings. Great video best regards.
The AARGM-ER (anti-radiation missile, the improved version of the AGM-88) and the SIAW (a new air-to-ground missile based on the AARGM-ER, featuring a triple seeker composed of IIR, anti-radiation, and its own millimeter-wave radar seeker, still developing) are known to have a speed of over Mach 2.
@bpop2148 at this point HARMs are necessary, the US doctrine is heavily based on it and the ground support is optimized for SEAD. Without SEAD we see what the current issue is, American air getting slapped out of the sky by SPAA (irl they wouldn’t be turning on their radar like they do in game due to the HARM risk)
Really sad that basically all US AGMs are either slow or have very short burn time. Main problem with Hellfire too that it has so little energy at the end of travel, that your effective range against moving targets is about 5km maximum (can work further but chances are very low), against a manouvering heli it's 2-3km.
The future of SEAD and DEAD in WT is at over saturation, so things like SDB I and SDB II (model in datamine) would be much more effctive than a high speed missile. You can already confuse TWS SAMs with SDBs so much that they can't hit you while you are releasing 4-5 SDBs
Just yesterday, I launched like 6-7 SDB-1’s against two pantsir’s. Four at one, and like two or three at another. All but one got shot down, the last one was a direct hit and failed to kill. I hate this game
There is also the tried and tested AGM88 HARM with more than Mach 2, which uses, for example, the radar signal emitted by the target if it is an anti-aircraft position, but we will never see that in this game, because then it's goodnight Pantsier. And then there is the AGM142 or Popeye from Israel with more than Mach 1, which is also used by the USA.
The way the implemented this is SO disappointing to me. I was hyped to see it coming, but now it’s just a crappier maverick and not the badass weapon it is supposed to be
Honestly I think it's more that they probably don't have the capability for it yet. At it's core it'd be a manual lock-after-launch which I don't think the game can support right now. It'll be cool if/when it can, but I'm not going to blame them on this one, especially with the recent buff to it.
@@TacgnolSimulacrum, the Warfare 2077 event's version of Spike missile is an exaple of how it can look like. It just need seeker view, instead of 3 person.
@@TacgnolSimulacrum can’t imagine it would be too hard, limit it so only one AGM-130 could be fired and active at one time- then just switch to the seeker view when it’s time to achieve a lock-on.
After playing the EF Typhoon with 16 brimstones I think Gaijin needs to relook at how Spawn Costs are calculated. The fact that the best plane in the game can spawn with 16 brimstones for cheaper SP than this thing with these IR missiles or 6 mavericks is crazy.
the AGM-130 irl has the ability to be manually guided by the WSO. It would be launched from miles out and guided to the relative area via GPS/INS and the WSO would designate the target. Im sure you can see why gaijin wouldnt want that feature in the game but also why bother adding the AGM-130 if it's just gonna suck lol
i am amazed how you stay so long in the air without getting a pantsir in ur face instantly there is obv something im doing hella wrong.. it cant be that the pantsir is so extremly op even if it is imo great vid as usual !
I did some search and found out only AGM-130 and AGM-142 was option of tactical standoff A2G missile in USAF inventory until JASSM got introduced. I also found that AGM-142 barely breaks supersonic speed 😂
Looks like just the HARM and AARGM missiles can really do some fast air to ground missions. The SiAW likely can too but it’s not in service until 2026 or late next year. But can the harm even see a pantsir radar?
@ Yeah, I’m just not sure if there’s a limit to what bands or frequencies it can see or not. I saw a war Thunder forum post saying it couldn’t. But idk
The way it got implemented is SO stupid. The AGM-130 was always meant to be deployed at standoff ranges, and then being driven by the WSO with MITL datalink, to lock onto the target and hit it. We should be allowed to switch to the weapons camera with V’ and steer it in, with similar keybinds to the other guided MCLOS missiles and guided bombs, or like the AGM-12. The way it’s done is really disappointing, I don’t even care to grind for it now in my F111F..
@ if that’s the argument, then don’t add it to the game, but there’s plenty of other weapons that are just as busted, if not worse. Trying to balance things without making it too gamey and unrealistic is a slipper slope. Honestly I forget there’s not many of us who play sim, this is where I would like to use it. But the way it’s implemented would make it useless to use in air sim, and unfortunate really because it’s a cool weapon.
حبيبي هاني اشكرك .. برأيي المتواضع الدفاع الجوي الان مو قوي لدرجة نحتاج صواريخ اخماد راداري، اذا ضافوا صواريخ مضادة للرادارات رح نحتاج الى منظومات دفاع جوي متقدمة اكثر وهذا الشي رح يصير بالسنة القادمة، حسب ما صرحوا بالموقع .. بصراحة اني ادعم هذا القرار لان الدعم الجوي القريب الان مسيطر ويحتاج الى رادع اكبر بالطرف المضاد، اكبر من البانتسير أس واحد
Mavericks are not just slow, they act like gliding bombs even when launched at supersonic speed. US CAS has become utter dog shit at this point. I have tried to get some f-15e CAS lately. 2-3 euro fighters in the sky filled with fox3 occasional su-27s with r-77 spawn camping. At least two pantsirs just waiting for anything to pop in the sky. At this point even the 2s6 players started shooting down the mavericks. Our team on the other hand zero spaa. I started to choose spawning from the airfield instead of air spawn to try and sneak behind the spaa but still require luck with all the ef-2000 and Rafael players who just spawn fox-3s with one base cap and a kill
Hi Hunter like always nice video and I am really sad again because my friend and I are argueing about the grind again I talked with him yesterday that it is only a game and since we aren´t playing together anymore he should ignore what I am grinding but I said yes again to no grinding the Eurofighter and that was very very stupid but have a very nice day my friend. One more question what do you think is better the Eurofighter or the Rafale?
@@Hunter_i86 I see, thanks for the information (But it use the Maverick pylons... Is AGM-65D a better choice over any other weapons for the wing pylons? Most of the time I mean)
@@Hunter_i86 Did you try the Su-27SM after the "somewhat" fix thing is rather good at dogfighting now, and Su-34 doesn't lose that much speed after a turn now instead of dropping to 300, now it maintains 450 km/h
agm-84 with ir tracker would be the counter to kh38 but there is no pics of it on f15 only the radar variant aka the harpoon on the korean and saudi f15 also slam-er would be good but its speed is low
@@Hunter_i86 AGM-142 is about Mach 1.1 and unfortunately, no other A2G ordinances with standoff capability for US is JASSM. I believe it's because USAF's precautious doctrine of eliminate enemy guided AA assets out before send in the planes with precision guided munitions. AGM-88 series and AGM-78 series retained the Mach 2.9 max speed while other mass produced AGMs speed ROC did not required Super/Hypersonic speed.
@@Hunter_i86 TLDR : AGM-88 series is the only Mach 2 capable A2G in US and its associated allied countries because they all got influenced doctrine of massive air interdiction before sending tactical jets into the battlefield for precision strikes. Before Anti-Radiation missile is here, western hemisphere ranged A2G guidance weaponry is indeed will stay inferior...
Pretty strange how all of NATO's weapons "suck and are slow" when they've been proven in combat whilst Russian missiles are literally the best in the game and have never been proven anywhere other than "Russia says this is what it can do." No one else finds it odd that NATO equipment must have video evidence or something similar for Gaijin to implement it yet Russian equipment can be a rumor started by a child and it be implemented?
3 are ir/tv guided and the max you can take of 2 of those is 6 and the other is 2, while you could have 18 radar guides fire and forget brimstones. Very different things
I don’t think there is many fast air launched bombs and missles like this for nato and my guess is because it’s just not cost affective and wouldn’t make much sense in a real modern conflict as we see in ukraine
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The missile just got changed from AGM-130A to AGM-130A-12, it is now IR with high track range, similar to IR PGM & Maverick D.
Wonderful timing Gaijin
Is that a buff, nerf, or neutral change?
Plllzzz make another vid showcasing this
Hunter, what controls do you use so that you can manually zoom in the TGP? I tried the Zoom axis thing, but it is really not practical because it takes so long to zoom eventho I have the multiplier maxed out in settings. Great video best regards.
Buff, longer tracking range.
@KasualKaiser thanks
The AARGM-ER (anti-radiation missile, the improved version of the AGM-88) and the SIAW (a new air-to-ground missile based on the AARGM-ER, featuring a triple seeker composed of IIR, anti-radiation, and its own millimeter-wave radar seeker, still developing) are known to have a speed of over Mach 2.
GAhahahahah, if gaijin adds SEAD all hell will break lose
@@crimsonwolf866they said that there were no plans on adding Anti-Radiation missiles.
@bpop2148 yet
Gaijin in all their wisdom don’t believe they work
@bpop2148 at this point HARMs are necessary, the US doctrine is heavily based on it and the ground support is optimized for SEAD. Without SEAD we see what the current issue is, American air getting slapped out of the sky by SPAA (irl they wouldn’t be turning on their radar like they do in game due to the HARM risk)
Very not in time, as they have changed it today to IR
Oh really now? That’s odd because what I heard, only the V2 got it and the one we have in game is the V1. But interesting nonetheless.
Is the track range better?
@@rifroll1117 much better than TV
God damn it Gaijin, yeah it is now typically like the IR PGM.
@@Hunter_i86 there is 2 variants in game on tv the other is ir
Really sad that basically all US AGMs are either slow or have very short burn time. Main problem with Hellfire too that it has so little energy at the end of travel, that your effective range against moving targets is about 5km maximum (can work further but chances are very low), against a manouvering heli it's 2-3km.
Hellfire flight path is not modelled correctly atm, that's why they have so little energy in their terminal phase
And TGP's are still limited to 20km...
And most maps have a max range of 10-20km from the battlefield
The future of SEAD and DEAD in WT is at over saturation, so things like SDB I and SDB II (model in datamine) would be much more effctive than a high speed missile. You can already confuse TWS SAMs with SDBs so much that they can't hit you while you are releasing 4-5 SDBs
SPICE 250, small SDBs with FnF capabilities, who knows what the future holds
Just yesterday, I launched like 6-7 SDB-1’s against two pantsir’s. Four at one, and like two or three at another. All but one got shot down, the last one was a direct hit and failed to kill. I hate this game
@@christopherchartier3017 You gotta drop the SDBs and then fire off a few Mavericks.
@@saltysteel3996 didn’t have enough sp at the time for mavericks
So it’s similar to the skipper except it can lock on like a Maverick and isn’t laser guided. Interesting
There is also the tried and tested AGM88 HARM with more than Mach 2, which uses, for example, the radar signal emitted by the target if it is an anti-aircraft position, but we will never see that in this game, because then it's goodnight Pantsier. And then there is the AGM142 or Popeye from Israel with more than Mach 1, which is also used by the USA.
Hunter, what do you think about the TOR-M1 at 11.0? Is it justified or is it a monster now?
Bruh, Gaijin forgot about datalink in AGM-130......
The way the implemented this is SO disappointing to me. I was hyped to see it coming, but now it’s just a crappier maverick and not the badass weapon it is supposed to be
Honestly I think it's more that they probably don't have the capability for it yet. At it's core it'd be a manual lock-after-launch which I don't think the game can support right now. It'll be cool if/when it can, but I'm not going to blame them on this one, especially with the recent buff to it.
@@TacgnolSimulacrum, the Warfare 2077 event's version of Spike missile is an exaple of how it can look like. It just need seeker view, instead of 3 person.
@@TacgnolSimulacrum can’t imagine it would be too hard, limit it so only one AGM-130 could be fired and active at one time- then just switch to the seeker view when it’s time to achieve a lock-on.
After playing the EF Typhoon with 16 brimstones I think Gaijin needs to relook at how Spawn Costs are calculated. The fact that the best plane in the game can spawn with 16 brimstones for cheaper SP than this thing with these IR missiles or 6 mavericks is crazy.
18 brimstones*
Incredible as always hunter.
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoyed it.
the AGM-130 irl has the ability to be manually guided by the WSO. It would be launched from miles out and guided to the relative area via GPS/INS and the WSO would designate the target. Im sure you can see why gaijin wouldnt want that feature in the game but also why bother adding the AGM-130 if it's just gonna suck lol
The delayed booster phase sound effect is very cool, like a heavy ripping sound.
@Hunter, now its time to recreate the satellite shoot down😎
i do know a NATO mach 3 missile but it has 600km range and is nuclear... so sadly i don't think it will ever get added (ASMPA-R)
Haha that's a little bit too much for War Thunder, thanks for the heads-up :)
Шикарный баланс от улиток , особенно прикол с ограничением по скорости
i am amazed how you stay so long in the air without getting a pantsir in ur face instantly
there is obv something im doing hella wrong..
it cant be that the pantsir is so extremly op even if it is imo
great vid as usual !
Nowadays Fox 3 active radar homing missiles and smokeless Heat Seekers are the biggest threat in 12.7 Ground RB, not Pantsir S1, in my opinion.
AGM that goes mach 2? the AGM-88 would be one of those, but Gaijin is afaik not interested in adding anti radiation munition soon
Ideal weapon to Ace Combat 8.
40 years of F-15E in 2026 and 30 years of Ace Combat series in 2025.
I did some search and found out only AGM-130 and AGM-142 was option of tactical standoff A2G missile in USAF inventory until JASSM got introduced. I also found that AGM-142 barely breaks supersonic speed 😂
Could add harms or shrikes that would balance the crap out of a pantsir
Looks like just the HARM and AARGM missiles can really do some fast air to ground missions. The SiAW likely can too but it’s not in service until 2026 or late next year.
But can the harm even see a pantsir radar?
All radars have emitions, the entire purpose of the harm is to see a radar like a pantsirs
@ Yeah, I’m just not sure if there’s a limit to what bands or frequencies it can see or not. I saw a war Thunder forum post saying it couldn’t. But idk
Well there is a version of the Slam er with the Maverick ir seekerhead which would be possible for f18 and a6
The way it got implemented is SO stupid. The AGM-130 was always meant to be deployed at standoff ranges, and then being driven by the WSO with MITL datalink, to lock onto the target and hit it. We should be allowed to switch to the weapons camera with V’ and steer it in, with similar keybinds to the other guided MCLOS missiles and guided bombs, or like the AGM-12. The way it’s done is really disappointing, I don’t even care to grind for it now in my F111F..
I mean yes, but also no. Who wants to get killed by a remotely guided missile that they have literally no chance to attack the firing aircraft?
@ if that’s the argument, then don’t add it to the game, but there’s plenty of other weapons that are just as busted, if not worse. Trying to balance things without making it too gamey and unrealistic is a slipper slope. Honestly I forget there’s not many of us who play sim, this is where I would like to use it. But the way it’s implemented would make it useless to use in air sim, and unfortunate really because it’s a cool weapon.
عاشو كابتن اني اصور حته الصواريخ الروسيه نفسها اذا هاجمت بيها البانتسير ايضا راح يكدر يدمرها بس هاذ الصاروخ الامريكي قوي للدبابات نفس ما ذكرت انته حلهم الوحيد يضيفون صواريخ مضاده للرادارات مثل (HARM 88).
حبيبي هاني اشكرك .. برأيي المتواضع الدفاع الجوي الان مو قوي لدرجة نحتاج صواريخ اخماد راداري، اذا ضافوا صواريخ مضادة للرادارات رح نحتاج الى منظومات دفاع جوي متقدمة اكثر وهذا الشي رح يصير بالسنة القادمة، حسب ما صرحوا بالموقع .. بصراحة اني ادعم هذا القرار لان الدعم الجوي القريب الان مسيطر ويحتاج الى رادع اكبر بالطرف المضاد، اكبر من البانتسير أس واحد
thanks mate :D
No problem 👍
Mavericks are not just slow, they act like gliding bombs even when launched at supersonic speed. US CAS has become utter dog shit at this point. I have tried to get some f-15e CAS lately. 2-3 euro fighters in the sky filled with fox3 occasional su-27s with r-77 spawn camping. At least two pantsirs just waiting for anything to pop in the sky. At this point even the 2s6 players started shooting down the mavericks. Our team on the other hand zero spaa. I started to choose spawning from the airfield instead of air spawn to try and sneak behind the spaa but still require luck with all the ef-2000 and Rafael players who just spawn fox-3s with one base cap and a kill
sadly, most of the mach 2+ missiles tend to be for SEAD.....and really only that, so anyways, i will still like my AGM-76 yes
thx~
Hi Hunter like always nice video and I am really sad again because my friend and I are argueing about the grind again I talked with him yesterday that it is only a game and since we aren´t playing together anymore he should ignore what I am grinding but I said yes again to no grinding the Eurofighter and that was very very stupid but have a very nice day my friend. One more question what do you think is better the Eurofighter or the Rafale?
What does ATK mean on RWR? Ataka? for Helos?
Isn't AGM-130 a GBU-15 with rocket booster? I thought the seeker would be better
They changed it now\today, to AGM-130A-12 with IR seeker.
@@Hunter_i86 I see, thanks for the information (But it use the Maverick pylons... Is AGM-65D a better choice over any other weapons for the wing pylons? Most of the time I mean)
why do you turn off ur radar. does that help them not detecting you aswel?
or is just to get a more clear screen?
Missile just got changed to AGM0130A-12 which has IR seeker
Roger
@@Hunter_i86 Did you try the Su-27SM after the "somewhat" fix
thing is rather good at dogfighting now,
and Su-34 doesn't lose that much speed after a turn now
instead of dropping to 300, now it maintains 450 km/h
NATO's counterpart to the kh-58 is the brimstone but we all know what happened to that
Still not Mach 2 missile
Merhaba dostum ef200 ve rafaele ile cas videosu çekmeyi düşünüyor musun
you should try 7 gbu 31 loadout or 2 gbu 15v2 with 4 aim 120, gbu 15 is cheap and reliable.
to me (a low tier player) it looks like a gbu combined with an agm
Yup a guided bomb with a strap-on rocket motor is just an AGM
Is it better than AGM 65? What do you think you'll use if you use one of the two?
Honestly, kind of a sidegrade to the AGM-65G. Bigger explosive, but it’s bigger and slower.
agm-84 with ir tracker would be the counter to kh38 but there is no pics of it on f15 only the radar variant aka the harpoon on the korean and saudi f15 also slam-er would be good but its speed is low
by the way they have the gbu 53 is in the files it would be a good addition u can spam them but like the other winged bomb but with ir lock
AGM-84 is subsonic
AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER Maximum speed 855km/h (0.7 Mach), it is slow. I asked about NATO Mach 2 missiles.
@@Hunter_i86 AGM-142 is about Mach 1.1 and unfortunately, no other A2G ordinances with standoff capability for US is JASSM. I believe it's because USAF's precautious doctrine of eliminate enemy guided AA assets out before send in the planes with precision guided munitions. AGM-88 series and AGM-78 series retained the Mach 2.9 max speed while other mass produced AGMs speed ROC did not required Super/Hypersonic speed.
@@Hunter_i86 TLDR : AGM-88 series is the only Mach 2 capable A2G in US and its associated allied countries because they all got influenced doctrine of massive air interdiction before sending tactical jets into the battlefield for precision strikes. Before Anti-Radiation missile is here, western hemisphere ranged A2G guidance weaponry is indeed will stay inferior...
I hope they add AGM-130 to Israeli F15
Give Popeye IIR which is supersonic AGM130
Israel never operated the AGM-130
Hunter How many SP to push f15 with agm 130 ?
It is counted as TV\IR missile SP cost, like Maverick G.
I had a nice 11 kill game with about 9 kills with the a7d on mostly sams. Lots of missiles dodged that game 😅
Nice! well done pilot, upload it if you can :)
2:18 i wonder why that guy said "oeat s**t no skill russian ork patsir *******"
So we can counter Pantsir or what?
Pretty strange how all of NATO's weapons "suck and are slow" when they've been proven in combat whilst Russian missiles are literally the best in the game and have never been proven anywhere other than "Russia says this is what it can do." No one else finds it odd that NATO equipment must have video evidence or something similar for Gaijin to implement it yet Russian equipment can be a rumor started by a child and it be implemented?
AGM130,KH38,AASM
But still no FNF for brimstone? This is hilarious
3 are ir/tv guided and the max you can take of 2 of those is 6 and the other is 2, while you could have 18 radar guides fire and forget brimstones. Very different things
Brimstone's seeker is not TV or IR seeker, it is a active radar seeker.
We need Brimstone 2
would rather use paveways
at least no smoke so higher chance to not get intercepted
When SU-34 with its new FAB-3000? 💥💣
NATO Mach 2 missile like Kh-38MT?
Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG? but 0.8 mach
AGM-154? but 0.8 mach too
Not very unique compared to Maverick which is Mach 0.9.
This thing is very neutered compared to irl. Almost as bad as the brimstone
I don’t think there is many fast air launched bombs and missles like this for nato and my guess is because it’s just not cost affective and wouldn’t make much sense in a real modern conflict as we see in ukraine
Lock not launch range silly
what is important is when effective land vehicles will arrive to stop these rather than missiles