I main unholy because the gear that has dropped for me is suited to it. It does a lot of cleave damage on mobs but really strugles in the low mob count grps (3 or 4). Also ST is not great outside of army window. Would love some haste gear to drop so i can switch to frost. Always preferred it.
U have to commit your cds even on low target situation. Blight + DT + Assault + Phial and u will do 120k+ even on 3 targets. Gotta keep defile and plaguebringer buffs up as much as possible.
Most of the cds i mentioned are 1.5min max so commiting them to low number packs isnt that bad. But yes unholy is generaly better on more targets and higher keys since u need to ramp up your dmg.
Unholy 4pc will be nerfed the day before i get it. It basically replaces puzzle box and is very very strong. As for frost 4pc, i dunno as i dont play mage ;)
I think there are few classes/specs in the game currently better than frost on 3 targets. To answer your question: more likely frost is better than you beeing shit at fury!
Hey, Frostknight. Ty for another video ^^ Would you do videos with fdk gameplay in raid? That would be amazing to watch, because I play fdk in raid and always suck XD
IM 429 ilvl with 4 set , unholy 437 ilvl with 4 set and we both had full CDs up , also unholy got PI , we Didnt time the run this is why I didn't upload all of it
@@TecharoundtheWorld25 because UH dk loses on ST without gargoyle build. frost is generally better this season, very few dungeons where unholy competes, or in high forti weeks where mobs last longer
Since it is a 3 target fight there really is no competition, the design of frost dks damage profile suits way better than unholys... Like if you were competeing against UH on a single target raid boss fight, that would be no match either, because unholy would win even if you had better ilvl. There is no point in this comparison labeled as a Frost vs Unholy on this boss because the outcome is obvious.... And I'm saying all these as a Frost DK main /OBLIT ALL THE WAY/
@@thetruth1842 dont invit unholy for 3 target stuff, its terrible. 5 or 6 or more and its really good. 10 or more and the other dps can afk ;) Except defile is horrible to see through
Im new to DK frost, and im trying to follow my buffs/passives etc. But i still dont understand what to follow most, and how proc some of them. Like im trying to hold razorice on full always and ice blast dot but i know theres more, Like killing machine. And sometimes i do 40-50k dps and sometimes 80-90k dps on target. For me is randomly at now. Im 415 ilvl but i think i dont know how i can hold buffs and how to use them to get good dps. Can someone explain me this or tell me where i can find explanation this problem? :)
1. So in your Pillar of Frost window, you wanna Obliterate as often as possible. If you can, press Obliterate, if you dont, generate a Obliterate proc by using Froststrike or Howling Blast (if you can with a Rime proc). Obliterate is your highest Dmg in any key or raid by far, furthermore each rune spend by Obliterate in your Pillar of Frost window increases the strength you gain by Pillar! Use your big dragon Frostwyrms Fury in the last second of Pillar, to gain the maximum dmg and debuff your target/-s longer with your 4set (if you have it) 2. Try to use Remorceless Winter ( and all your other cooldowns except Frostwyrms Fury) always right before going into Pillar just to free your global cooldowns for as many Obliterates as you can. Outside of Pillar, use it on CD. You can hold it for 5-8 seconds if you got Pillar of Frost nearly rdy again, but dont hold it too long 10+ seconds 3. By consuming Runic Power, you gain a stack of Unleashed Frenzy (max 3 stacks!) giving you 2% strength per stack. Try stacking and keeping this up as long as you can in a fight! Those stacks get lost after 10 seconds, but you can refresh the timer back to 10 seconds by using an ability consuming runic power. Meaning at least once every 10 seconds you have to use Froststrike (or Glacial Advance in aoe) 4. If you have 2+ targets, you wanna use Death and Decay right before you consume your first Obliterate in a Pillar window! Then continue spending Obliterate procs and generating Obliterate procs spreading Obliterate Dmg to up to 3 targets. Normaly, you can use one Death and Decay outside of Pillar of Frost windows, if you talented into "Deaths Echo", giving you a max. of 2 stacks for Death and Decay. Also outside of your Pillar, try to use it after you got a Obliterate proc. Finaly i wanna go through some of your points: Ice Blast (DoT): I myself dont look after this hardly. Moreso it stays active naturaly, if you use your Rime procs consistently. Razorice (the weapon enchant?): You wanna enchant your weapon with Rune of the fallen Crusader for jucy strength buffs. If you mean the debuff on your enemies after using Glacial Advance, i think this is only important in aoe scenarios. But since you always use Glacial Advance with 2+ targets, you will have those up all the time. If you do some of these things already, nice! Just wanted to give you some general tips to look at. If other Frost DKs wanna add/correct sth pls feel free. I´m by no means the best DK :D Hopefully this is understandable and it helps you breaking down, where your Dmg is coming from and what you need to focus on.
hi guys im not into frost dk but im thinking about starting a twink ... i just remember frost dk never used a 2 handed weapon so my question is : Is 2 hand weapon now a must have? i always loved the look of double 1 hand
I think 2handed obliteration is just better now for Mythic+. But if you want to raid with frost dk, dual wield breath build is still stronger I believe.
Its not impressive, this guy didint click single epidemic at 3 target fight XD anyway frost is way better on that boss its a perfect fight for 2h oblit bulid , but on full st its not that great and i think good unholy would have more dps
The unholy guy used 0 epidemics on 3 targets, he might run the wound build not the disease one but he set himself up for failure anyway.
u start epidemic at 4 targets ^^
I main unholy because the gear that has dropped for me is suited to it. It does a lot of cleave damage on mobs but really strugles in the low mob count grps (3 or 4). Also ST is not great outside of army window. Would love some haste gear to drop so i can switch to frost. Always preferred it.
U have to commit your cds even on low target situation. Blight + DT + Assault + Phial and u will do 120k+ even on 3 targets. Gotta keep defile and plaguebringer buffs up as much as possible.
Most of the cds i mentioned are 1.5min max so commiting them to low number packs isnt that bad. But yes unholy is generaly better on more targets and higher keys since u need to ramp up your dmg.
Hey, is the difference between 2H and DW obliteration too big?
Yes big difference
Merhaba, Frost Dk mı daha çok hasar vuruyor yoksa Unholy Dk mı ?
Hey do you need a set bonus from the gear to do this kind of damage or is it all about rotation
Unholy 4pc will be nerfed the day before i get it. It basically replaces puzzle box and is very very strong. As for frost 4pc, i dunno as i dont play mage ;)
4set give you so much power
okay, my questin is: im a fury warri w 4 set and im doing way lees damage on this boss, is frost just way beter or i am just shit ?
I think there are few classes/specs in the game currently better than frost on 3 targets. To answer your question: more likely frost is better than you beeing shit at fury!
cleave is not for every class, for example on this boss frost dk, all mage specs, Spriest, Elemental shamman do insane dmg..
Fury doesnt seem great, fellow guildy is a decent player and outgears my dk like 15 ilevels ill stay unholy ;)
Hey, Frostknight. Ty for another video ^^ Would you do videos with fdk gameplay in raid? That would be amazing to watch, because I play fdk in raid and always suck XD
IM 429 ilvl with 4 set , unholy 437 ilvl with 4 set and we both had full CDs up , also unholy got PI , we Didnt time the run this is why I didn't upload all of it
its frost dk on 3 targets and unholy on 3 targets, nothing special here
@@thetruth1842 well he beated him on all bosses lol
@@TecharoundtheWorld25 because UH dk loses on ST without gargoyle build. frost is generally better this season, very few dungeons where unholy competes, or in high forti weeks where mobs last longer
Since it is a 3 target fight there really is no competition, the design of frost dks damage profile suits way better than unholys... Like if you were competeing against UH on a single target raid boss fight, that would be no match either, because unholy would win even if you had better ilvl. There is no point in this comparison labeled as a Frost vs Unholy on this boss because the outcome is obvious.... And I'm saying all these as a Frost DK main /OBLIT ALL THE WAY/
@@thetruth1842 dont invit unholy for 3 target stuff, its terrible. 5 or 6 or more and its really good. 10 or more and the other dps can afk ;)
Except defile is horrible to see through
Insane !
Frost a question whats the Name of the addon that Shows u your Stats Right on the Screen ?
it called weakaura , then you must go to wago.io and download the stats WA from there
An addon called ShowMyStats does the exact same. Even with the same colors and layout. Frost is probably using this addon and not a WA
@@frostknight9552 thx frost ! A breath run would be nice :D
30 deaths by first boss? OOF lol did yall end up completing tho? crazy dps
yeah it was weekly run we did it in one hour but first boss was pain
the first boss on this affix is absolute cancer
Can we run a key? im unholy and wanna see dmg gap
hi yeah sure add me in game EU server btw AGamers#21260
Im new to DK frost, and im trying to follow my buffs/passives etc. But i still dont understand what to follow most, and how proc some of them. Like im trying to hold razorice on full always and ice blast dot but i know theres more, Like killing machine.
And sometimes i do 40-50k dps and sometimes 80-90k dps on target. For me is randomly at now. Im 415 ilvl but i think i dont know how i can hold buffs and how to use them to get good dps. Can someone explain me this or tell me where i can find explanation this problem? :)
1.
So in your Pillar of Frost window, you wanna Obliterate as often as possible. If you can, press Obliterate, if you dont, generate a Obliterate proc by using Froststrike or Howling Blast (if you can with a Rime proc). Obliterate is your highest Dmg in any key or raid by far, furthermore each rune spend by Obliterate in your Pillar of Frost window increases the strength you gain by Pillar! Use your big dragon Frostwyrms Fury in the last second of Pillar, to gain the maximum dmg and debuff your target/-s longer with your 4set (if you have it)
2.
Try to use Remorceless Winter ( and all your other cooldowns except Frostwyrms Fury) always right before going into Pillar just to free your global cooldowns for as many Obliterates as you can. Outside of Pillar, use it on CD. You can hold it for 5-8 seconds if you got Pillar of Frost nearly rdy again, but dont hold it too long 10+ seconds
3.
By consuming Runic Power, you gain a stack of Unleashed Frenzy (max 3 stacks!) giving you 2% strength per stack. Try stacking and keeping this up as long as you can in a fight! Those stacks get lost after 10 seconds, but you can refresh the timer back to 10 seconds by using an ability consuming runic power. Meaning at least once every 10 seconds you have to use Froststrike (or Glacial Advance in aoe)
4.
If you have 2+ targets, you wanna use Death and Decay right before you consume your first Obliterate in a Pillar window! Then continue spending Obliterate procs and generating Obliterate procs spreading Obliterate Dmg to up to 3 targets. Normaly, you can use one Death and Decay outside of Pillar of Frost windows, if you talented into "Deaths Echo", giving you a max. of 2 stacks for Death and Decay. Also outside of your Pillar, try to use it after you got a Obliterate proc.
Finaly i wanna go through some of your points:
Ice Blast (DoT): I myself dont look after this hardly. Moreso it stays active naturaly, if you use your Rime procs consistently.
Razorice (the weapon enchant?): You wanna enchant your weapon with Rune of the fallen Crusader for jucy strength buffs. If you mean the debuff on your enemies after using Glacial Advance, i think this is only important in aoe scenarios. But since you always use Glacial Advance with 2+ targets, you will have those up all the time.
If you do some of these things already, nice! Just wanted to give you some general tips to look at. If other Frost DKs wanna add/correct sth pls feel free. I´m by no means the best DK :D
Hopefully this is understandable and it helps you breaking down, where your Dmg is coming from and what you need to focus on.
assuming he got PI too, that's pathetic lmao. But you do as much as my ret, but I'm a bit higher ilvl w/ 4set.
Damn!!!! Smoked!I’m unholy pew pew gg
Frost dk in optimal conditions vs a unholy very impressive now beat one in raid st
Maybe the raid ST wasn't the target of this video but indeed to demonstrate the 3 target cleave capability of frost?
that unholy gotta be trolling tho
hi guys im not into frost dk but im thinking about starting a twink ... i just remember frost dk never used a 2 handed weapon so my question is : Is 2 hand weapon now a must have? i always loved the look of double 1 hand
I think 2handed obliteration is just better now for Mythic+. But if you want to raid with frost dk, dual wield breath build is still stronger I believe.
Calling that Frost DK never used 2 Handed ist not right tho
Its not impressive, this guy didint click single epidemic at 3 target fight XD anyway frost is way better on that boss its a perfect fight for 2h oblit bulid , but on full st its not that great and i think good unholy would have more dps
31 deaths first boss?
Guess im gonna switch to frost kekw