I have watch a dozen of your videos this evening. I am speechless. I am a new reloader and what I’ve learned from you tonight in such a short period of time is truly priceless! Thank you and Charlie Mike!
Some would say that two hours of your time is worth way more than the cost of the shell holder. But, as you said, the satisfaction derived from making it yourself is priceless!
Who cares how much a new one cost or how long it took! You have the satisfaction of that feeling called pride. You made this, and I learned from your mistakes too.
I realize this is a older video, but Bravo sir, Bravo... Where there is a will, there will always be a way. Failures are only learning lessons but are certainly not a reason to stop.
I'm impressed, What a great fix to a problem and a save the day attitude. Ive always said, if you got a lathe and a mill you can do any bloody thing... Good job mate. Matt
That was very cool to watch. You are good at that. All you need now is a complete solar panel set and a bank of batteries. This is so when the shtf, you would be able to produce pretty much anything you would need for anything. Thx for the video.
Even if it's a very inefficient to get a shell holder, that project still looks like a LOT of fun! Watching your channel really makes me want to learn machining.
GOOD JOB BRO,,,,,,, wish i had a lathe,, your right,,, it gives you pride and able to make your own,,, just like a lot of things in life,,, the satisfaction of making something instead of buying it is priceless
Great job man, I really like watching your videos, like you said it's the satisfaction of making things from scratch. I also enjoy your presentation and calm voice when explaining your work, thanks again and keep the vids coming, very interesting, Ron.
I made a shell holder from 304 stainless for a 45x310r ussr anti tank gun, also modified my 50 cal ammomaster press & made neck size & seat dies. The only mod to press was lenghen top plate rods & rethread top plate to 2 1/4"x12 with a big ass tap.
My jealousy for people with lathes and mills grows even more. I liked the final bevel on the front. V2 can start from an oversized cutter so that the bevel works as a funnel to guide the shell in.
People kinda wonder why I have a TIG welder, MIG welder an O/A rig, a lathe, a milling machine and etc in my shop. Well, things like this little project are EXACTLY why!! The time thing is a legit concern, but OTOH when you have to wait for something to arrive (maybe---IF they have it) days later and then it turns out to be somehow WRONG when you can just go out in the shop and make a "whatever" and have it done to suit EXACTLY what you (or a buddy!) need is well worth the cost----not to mention the personal satisfaction you get out of both the process AND the finished item!
I think I'm going to give this a shot tomorrow. I load 308 and determined a while back that after firing, a datum point on the shoulder of my brass was at something like 1.631"-1.633". After using the Lee full length sizing die set up so that it made contact with the shell holder, the shoulder was being pushed back to around 1.622" or less. I was having trouble getting the accuracy from my rifle that I wanted so I started backing out the die until the brass was around 1.628". It seemed to help tighten up the groups a good bit, although I can't say 100% if that was a factor or not. I'm shooting a semi auto and a lot of people would say you need more shoulder bump than that but I haven't had any issues and I've loaded a bunch between 1.626-1.630". Only problem with that set up is that because there isn't a definitive "stop" like the die bottoming out on the shell holder, there was just enough slop where the handle stops moving to allow a bit of variation. Some would be 1.630", some 1.625". I'm thinking about making a shell holder that is a hair taller than the lee one and hopefully that remedies the inconsistency. Only have a mill and no rotary table so I'll have to improvise. Can probably chuck up a piece of steel and turn it on the mill with the tool clamped in the vise. Who knows, should be a fun project if nothing else.
Very good. I agree for currently available rounds, it is easier to buy the shell holders. However some of the older calibers used rim diameters not seen much today, so this is a useful video.
Lee sells a good shell holder for a reasonable price (around $4.50 currently at MidwayUSA). Some of the other companies sell ones that are not noticeably better, but sometimes $20 or so. If you need one *now* and its not available locally, it's nice to have the option to being able to machine it yourself. I have a 7x14 mini-lathe and could do everything other than the milling operations. One of these days, I guess I'll probably have to get a milling machine or a milling attachment for my lathe also.
man this video has literally just started and I haven't even watched it to end yet but I know I have OK Google you're making these with the tools I have myself but I did not ever even think about doing this before thanks for the idea man you're f****** badass!
Your tool for the undercut doesn't need ground down as much as you have, also keep the rpm down as not to burn up the tip. That is the only hard part-the undercut. I have made several but as you said it is cheaper to buy. You did a nice job!
Lol I know that feeling on the 30-30 shell holder when I went to go by my set of 30 30 dies they didn't even freaking have Shell Holders they were out of them luckily I found Michelle holder auto place nearby for really cheap which is also where I go and get my powder from and I don't know what kind of powder you are loading in your 3030 shells but if you haven't tried it yet I seriously suggest using Hornady leverevolution and seeing if you like that or not I love that s***
Fantastic. You'll have to demonstrate in more detail exactly how you made the undercutter (the one that worked). I gather it's a modified and ground-down drill bit of some sort.
You're almost spot on my friend. I ground down an old end mill (flat bottomed milling cutter). It worked ok but I had to resharpen it once during the process. The material was a grade 3 bolt. Also the end mill was a lot longer than desired but I didn't want to grind up a nice one. Thanks for watching.
The Ammo Channel Ultimately blame Lee for not packaging a shellholder in their RGB die sets (they do with everything else, and I'm sure most people would gladly pay the extra few dollars). It's probably done to encourage you to buy the shellholder set. :p
The Ammo Channel Nice job using what you have. I wonder how critical the thickness of the slot is? It's only real job seems to be keeping the brass from sticking in the die so it could probably be quite a bit thicker which would make the tool easier to grind and stronger.
jsm666 Lee makes it really obvious on the RGB packaging that this is their only product that doesn't come with the shell holder. They go out of their way to say it is the extreme cut rate version of thier stuff.
The strength of the shellholder does not seem to be a problem in my experience. When I've gotten a shell *really* stuck, it was the rim that ripped out, no the edges of the shellholder.
Great. Just when I start feeling smug about owning a mig welder, you have to make me feel like a loser for not having a mill and a lathe... But really, I enjoy your channel a lot. Keep it up.
I always wanted to tinker with machining, waited about 10 years before I was able to make it happen. I love my mig welder, I tried using my old stick welder recently and it was a challenge getting the hang of it again.
I love your videos! Especially these days, the idea of making what you need from what you have can be truly priceless. I am in the process of making a full set of tooling, shell holder, dies, bullet mold so I can load for my 1873 Remington RB. The shell holder was pretty basic, but I was stuck on how to cut the groove for the shell rim. Your idea about doing that is, by itself worth the price of admission! Besides, it gives me something to do with that old coffee can full of old worn out and chipped endmills. I just have one problem...... None of the old bolts I have lying around are rusty. Any suggestions? legally blonde Karen
I’ve been thinking about creating some custom reloading components. I’m an engineering scientist, so designing them is no problem. But paying to have them made is often beyond relevantly expensive. Any chance you would be interested in making a few custom parts for cash? Or in exchange for engineering and design work? Perhaps we could help each other!
pride is the issue of this video, the beauty maybe not the object . The time it took to think working out and filming, creating something out of scrap metal is one of the numberless challenges a man can be proud about! Question; are these things available for the old Dutch ww2 rifle cartridges ? ( the Mannlicher 6.5mm Hembrug) And that is an example for not regular ammo size. Thank u for your free workshop, good job you did!
There are few problems that cannot be solved with a lathe, mill and tig welder. Oh and some rusty bolts. I have made specialty cutters many times from a few pieces of O1 or A1 tool steel. I would make an under cutting tool like that from a piece of half inch A1 tool steel. I would turn it to diameter, then turn down a shank. Part it off then into a 6 sided 5C collet holder onto the mill and cut some teeth out of it. Harden, temper and grind. It's likely very thin, so going will be slow and with lots of oil.
Me gustó mucho tu vídeo, talvez como en tu país es común este tipo de cosas no le ves mucha importancia, pero en el mío no puedes encontrar este tipo de vídeos ni información por obvias razones, buen vídeo, bendiciones a tí y tu familia.
30-30 shell holders are all over the place however one loader to another if i could make shell holders that fit the brass as well as yours id tthrow away every herters rcbs lyman n lee made shell holder i had
best recommended 2 use suspension bolts (usually Grade 8 leaf spring, control arm, shock absorber) - if its severely rusted through e.g body bushing bolts I would pass on it
Dam If I had those tools I wouldn't need to work for anyone but ME ! Plus with a decent lathe and milling machine I could make my own guns well everything except the barrels anyway.
A point, if I may. How long would it have taken for you to travel to the nearest shop to buy the shell holder you needed? It likely cost you less for the electricity to make that piece than for fuel to drive to a shop to buy one.
As a retired Master Auto Technician, I have many hand made tools, Your shell holder was a great job...
There's (NOTHING) more satisfying than making your own needed parts
I have watch a dozen of your videos this evening.
I am speechless.
I am a new reloader and what I’ve learned from you tonight in such a short period of time is truly priceless!
Thank you and Charlie Mike!
Some would say that two hours of your time is worth way more than the cost of the shell holder. But, as you said, the satisfaction derived from making it yourself is priceless!
Who cares how much a new one cost or how long it took! You have the satisfaction of that feeling called pride. You made this, and I learned from your mistakes too.
I realize this is a older video, but Bravo sir, Bravo... Where there is a will, there will always be a way. Failures are only learning lessons but are certainly not a reason to stop.
I'm impressed,
What a great fix to a problem and a save the day attitude.
Ive always said, if you got a lathe and a mill you can do any bloody thing...
Good job mate.
Matt
That was very cool to watch. You are good at that. All you need now is a complete solar panel set and a bank of batteries. This is so when the shtf, you would be able to produce pretty much anything you would need for anything. Thx for the video.
No man is complete without a lathe and a milling machine.
:D
That explains the emptiness! The guy knocking on my door said something about God. Turns out I just need a lathe and mill!
No man is complete without the knowledge
to build a lathe and a milling machine
@@waptek2 THAT was deep!
My mill has been busted for the last three years.
Testify...
The Joys of owning a Lathe and Mill are Great, but Knowing How to use them are the GREATEST. Wish I did.
youre a genius, wish I had the tools and knowledge you have.
Amazing dude...👏 great work, it seems you enjoyed making the shell holder and the result is also great! Thanks for sharing.
Hats off to you. I'll never have the skills or knowledge but appreciate watching it in others.
Even if it's a very inefficient to get a shell holder, that project still looks like a LOT of fun! Watching your channel really makes me want to learn machining.
Wow the slot cutter worked great. Thanks for showing that.
I really love your making parts from scratch episodes.
more of this stuff would be great!
I think it looks better.
Couple hours?? I could not do that in a couples years!! Wish I had your talent!! Nicely done!!
GOOD JOB BRO,,,,,,, wish i had a lathe,, your right,,, it gives you pride and able to make your own,,, just like a lot of things in life,,, the satisfaction of making something instead of buying it is priceless
Great job man, I really like watching your videos, like you said it's the satisfaction of making things from scratch. I also enjoy your presentation and calm voice when explaining your work, thanks again and keep the vids coming, very interesting, Ron.
I made a shell holder from 304 stainless for a 45x310r ussr anti tank gun, also modified my 50 cal ammomaster press & made neck size & seat dies. The only mod to press was lenghen top plate rods & rethread top plate to 2 1/4"x12 with a big ass tap.
My jealousy for people with lathes and mills grows even more.
I liked the final bevel on the front. V2 can start from an oversized cutter so that the bevel works as a funnel to guide the shell in.
very good grasshopper . for you next job make a dye set :)
Outstanding job!
Having the tools and talent to create parts and other tools- even other machines is priceless.
Great job brother.
People kinda wonder why I have a TIG welder, MIG welder an O/A rig, a lathe, a milling machine and etc in my shop. Well, things like this little project are EXACTLY why!! The time thing is a legit concern, but OTOH when you have to wait for something to arrive (maybe---IF they have it) days later and then it turns out to be somehow WRONG when you can just go out in the shop and make a "whatever" and have it done to suit EXACTLY what you (or a buddy!) need is well worth the cost----not to mention the personal satisfaction you get out of both the process AND the finished item!
I think I'm going to give this a shot tomorrow.
I load 308 and determined a while back that after firing, a datum point on the shoulder of my brass was at something like 1.631"-1.633".
After using the Lee full length sizing die set up so that it made contact with the shell holder, the shoulder was being pushed back to around 1.622" or less. I was having trouble getting the accuracy from my rifle that I wanted so I started backing out the die until the brass was around 1.628". It seemed to help tighten up the groups a good bit, although I can't say 100% if that was a factor or not. I'm shooting a semi auto and a lot of people would say you need more shoulder bump than that but I haven't had any issues and I've loaded a bunch between 1.626-1.630".
Only problem with that set up is that because there isn't a definitive "stop" like the die bottoming out on the shell holder, there was just enough slop where the handle stops moving to allow a bit of variation. Some would be 1.630", some 1.625".
I'm thinking about making a shell holder that is a hair taller than the lee one and hopefully that remedies the inconsistency. Only have a mill and no rotary table so I'll have to improvise. Can probably chuck up a piece of steel and turn it on the mill with the tool clamped in the vise. Who knows, should be a fun project if nothing else.
Right cool! With a lathe, mill, and welder nothing is impossible.
+Ironheart Fabrication If you add a foundry to that list it gets even better.
Enjoying from doing something is priceless.
Very good. I agree for currently available rounds, it is easier to buy the shell holders. However some of the older calibers used rim diameters not seen much today, so this is a useful video.
Lee sells a good shell holder for a reasonable price (around $4.50 currently at MidwayUSA). Some of the other companies sell ones that are not noticeably better, but sometimes $20 or so. If you need one *now* and its not available locally, it's nice to have the option to being able to machine it yourself. I have a 7x14 mini-lathe and could do everything other than the milling operations. One of these days, I guess I'll probably have to get a milling machine or a milling attachment for my lathe also.
Hot damn! Ingenious way of fabricating that little tool with the end mill ;) great video!
Nice ....grade 8 bolt , great idea !!!
Thumbs up !
Absolutely brilliant, I have subscribed, cheers
Outstanding. Love your solution for the slot cut. Good work :)
Nice work dude-getting a lathe and mill/drill press is definitely on the want list for me when I move back to the mainland.
man this video has literally just started and I haven't even watched it to end yet but I know I have OK Google you're making these with the tools I have myself but I did not ever even think about doing this before thanks for the idea man you're f****** badass!
Good stuff. Thx for sharing.
Looked like a tighter fit then the factory shell holder. Pretty nifty deal.
I think that is AWESOME! Good job man!
That thing came out great! I'd say you're on the right track as an amateur machinist.
Your tool for the undercut doesn't need ground down as much as you have, also keep the rpm down as not to burn up the tip. That is the only hard part-the undercut. I have made several but as you said it is cheaper to buy. You did a nice job!
James Spallinger Thank you, learning as I go. :)
Very cool video!
So impressive!
Great vid. I only own screw drivers and such but this makes me want more.
Wish I had room for those tools!
This was just amazing to watch the entire process. Congrats on a job well done, sir.
Priceless is right if SHTF!
Hello from 2021. It's pretty much hit the fan in the guns and ammo world.
Great job
Отличная работа!!!
I think it's worth it. that's awesome. it's definitely an expensive shell holder though since you have to sacrifice an end mill
That was fookin amazing
Very nice. I have to make them with a dremel and diamond bit burrs.
Really cool sir..you will be handy when SHTF..good vid.
Always love your videos
Lol I know that feeling on the 30-30 shell holder when I went to go by my set of 30 30 dies they didn't even freaking have Shell Holders they were out of them luckily I found Michelle holder auto place nearby for really cheap which is also where I go and get my powder from and I don't know what kind of powder you are loading in your 3030 shells but if you haven't tried it yet I seriously suggest using Hornady leverevolution and seeing if you like that or not I love that s***
That's amazing!!
As always, awesome and creative!
Looks professional to me😊😊
Make new vides. This channel is awesome man
Fantastic. You'll have to demonstrate in more detail exactly how you made the undercutter (the one that worked). I gather it's a modified and ground-down drill bit of some sort.
You're almost spot on my friend. I ground down an old end mill (flat bottomed milling cutter). It worked ok but I had to resharpen it once during the process. The material was a grade 3 bolt. Also the end mill was a lot longer than desired but I didn't want to grind up a nice one. Thanks for watching.
The Ammo Channel Ultimately blame Lee for not packaging a shellholder in their RGB die sets (they do with everything else, and I'm sure most people would gladly pay the extra few dollars). It's probably done to encourage you to buy the shellholder set. :p
The Ammo Channel
Nice job using what you have. I wonder how critical the thickness of the slot is? It's only real job seems to be keeping the brass from sticking in the die so it could probably be quite a bit thicker which would make the tool easier to grind and stronger.
jsm666 Lee makes it really obvious on the RGB packaging that this is their only product that doesn't come with the shell holder. They go out of their way to say it is the extreme cut rate version of thier stuff.
The strength of the shellholder does not seem to be a problem in my experience. When I've gotten a shell *really* stuck, it was the rim that ripped out, no the edges of the shellholder.
Nice job man!
That....was some fine lathing.
That's well done
Very helpfull , please show us more about the end mill tool manipulating & enhancements
thats some kinda cool man nice work
Lot of work. I did learn something though
Impressive mate!
Absolutely beautiful! This is the way just like God himself intended for man!! Great job!
Wow great work !
Great. Just when I start feeling smug about owning a mig welder, you have to make me feel like a loser for not having a mill and a lathe...
But really, I enjoy your channel a lot. Keep it up.
I always wanted to tinker with machining, waited about 10 years before I was able to make it happen. I love my mig welder, I tried using my old stick welder recently and it was a challenge getting the hang of it again.
Man I don't have a mill machine or even a press but my dremmel and bench vise and regular drill should hopefully do the trick
I love your videos! Especially these days, the idea of making what you need from what you have can be truly priceless. I am in the process of making a full set of tooling, shell holder, dies, bullet mold so I can load for my 1873 Remington RB. The shell holder was pretty basic, but I was stuck on how to cut the groove for the shell rim. Your idea about doing that is, by itself worth the price of admission! Besides, it gives me something to do with that old coffee can full of old worn out and chipped endmills. I just have one problem...... None of the old bolts I have lying around are rusty. Any suggestions?
legally blonde Karen
I’ve been thinking about creating some custom reloading components. I’m an engineering scientist, so designing them is no problem. But paying to have them made is often beyond relevantly expensive. Any chance you would be interested in making a few custom parts for cash? Or in exchange for engineering and design work? Perhaps we could help each other!
awesome :) nice you have some great equipment
pride is the issue of this video, the beauty maybe not the object . The time it took to think working out and filming, creating something out of scrap metal is one of the numberless challenges a man can be proud about!
Question; are these things available for the old Dutch ww2 rifle cartridges ? ( the Mannlicher 6.5mm Hembrug)
And that is an example for not regular ammo size.
Thank u for your free workshop, good job you did!
good job
Cool bean Hey can you jam it’s always nice to be able to make your own parts great job
There are few problems that cannot be solved with a lathe, mill and tig welder. Oh and some rusty bolts.
I have made specialty cutters many times from a few pieces of O1 or A1 tool steel. I would make an under cutting tool like that from a piece of half inch A1 tool steel. I would turn it to diameter, then turn down a shank. Part it off then into a 6 sided 5C collet holder onto the mill and cut some teeth out of it. Harden, temper and grind. It's likely very thin, so going will be slow and with lots of oil.
Most problems in life can be solved by sufficient quantities of high explosives... or penicillin... :)
well done and as you said: priceless!!
Very nice
Amazing what you can make with a lathe and mill and a rusty bolt. Wonder how many they can make in a day on a CNC machine. Would be neat to know.
I find that grade 8 bolts machine easier than grade 5 bolts.
Clever job !
Awesome I loved watching if I had those tools I would of made me one too
Me gustó mucho tu vídeo, talvez como en tu país es común este tipo de cosas no le ves mucha importancia, pero en el mío no puedes encontrar este tipo de vídeos ni información por obvias razones, buen vídeo, bendiciones a tí y tu familia.
great job!
I have done the same thing on a day when i need it now👍
Wow you have a lathe too cool
30-30 shell holders are all over the place however one loader to another if i could make shell holders that fit the brass as well as yours id tthrow away every herters rcbs lyman n lee made shell holder i had
Well done.
sweet job..
Genius.
Just fells good to make something yourself
good job!
If you enjoyed it the cost doesn’t matter all that much. 👍
All I can find are new shiny bolts. Could you do a video on how to make them rusty?
Did your brass work through your rifle? You left a lot of room for error by holding onto those rusty threads.
best recommended 2 use suspension bolts (usually Grade 8 leaf spring, control arm, shock absorber) - if its severely rusted through e.g body bushing bolts I would pass on it
DamGood Job.
Dam If I had those tools I wouldn't need to work for anyone but ME !
Plus with a decent lathe and milling machine I could make my own guns well everything except the barrels anyway.
A point, if I may. How long would it have taken for you to travel to the nearest shop to buy the shell holder you needed?
It likely cost you less for the electricity to make that piece than for fuel to drive to a shop to buy one.
Counterpoint: Assign a value to what he learned in terms of hours and dollars at a community college.
wonderful real nice can you show how to grind the tool
*That's so cool*