Ram Air IV camshaft, round port heads, and decent factory exhaust manifolds showed their value in these races. Driver was also very good on those skinny tires.
I'M A CHEVY GUY AND REALLY LIKE THOSE 400 FIRE CHICKENS BUT I'VE SEEN THESE DAMN 340'S SHAME A ZL1 CAMARO ... BOTH CARS ARE GREAT LOOKING AND HAD SOME IMPRESSIVE TIMES MUST SAY THOUGH THE FIREBIRD SUPRISED THE HELL OUT OF ME DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THAT FAST
We were spinning and steel wheels are F70’s. We switched to Rally II’s which are G70’s (wider and taller) to increase contact and take out gearing. It worked. Track was the worst we’ve seen there.
Hey now watch it. I'm a Mopar fan but would never cry over being outran by an extra 60 cubes. Ha. But I like Pontiacs a lot too so it's all good to me anyway
NOPE....WE are proud of the smaller 340 ci vs a 400ci...The 4.56's hurt the car mid track..it was set up for the 1/8th mile and street light to street light racing! I've seen these cars back then run quicker and not far from stock either vs bigger engine GM/Ford cars..But I love seeing all types of older cars racing,reminds me of the 80's&90's.. My brother in law was a Pontiac guy and I always blew his doors off with my Mopars! 455 GTO vs 440 Charger RT! I won,every time! Yes 455's are quick but not 440 quick..We both started with dead stock cars never rebuilt and added mods from there.. My dad in his mid 80's bought a new 440 6bl Cuda(still has it) we raced my uncles GM,Fords all engines 455,454 ls-6,427,428,400,396,327 and Ford 390,427,428,429,460..It was fun times! Dad ran high 11's 2 weeks after he bought his Cuda,carb work,headers and slicks,engine was stock!
If the Firebird qualified/ dialed in at 13.06 and then ran under his time....in the 12s disqualified?!! That's how it works at every track I've ever raced at.
"Back in the day", my '68 F'bird was also untouchable on the street by 340 Darts. I ran a 400 w/ RA III cam, Cloyes dbl roller timing chain, comp. valve job w/RA IV valves & springs, RA exh. manifolds & Camaro off-road chambered exh, RA IV oil pump & SD baffled pan, Q-jet w/ custom jets & rods, custom-curved distributer w/L-88 wires, and w.r. Muncie w/ 3.55 12-bolt l.s. diff. Engine wore '67 HO "open" air clnr. Car wore '69 Z/28 Rally wheels w'67 Rally I center caps, BFG TA F-60-15 radials, H.D. springs w/'69 TA sway bar, '69 TA hood, v.r. pwr steering, & manual '69 disc brakes & Velvetouch metallic rear drums. L-78 396s, 6-pk 440s no problem. 4-1/4 427s had to be careful, esp. Chevelles; my car went 3450 lbs. w/me in driver's seat. Scary fast acceleration, stick to corners like glue, stop on dime--repeatedly. Deluxe interior w/full gouges, Hurst comp-plus shifter, factory AM-FM radio. Verdoro green w/black interior. Regardless of what books said, car WAS streetable; could put car in 4th at idle (750 rpm), and w/o using accel. pedal, car would motor away from a stop. Loved that car. Had to be careful w/340s, though. Light weight, and esp. w/Torqueflites, very quick cars initially...
My friend had a Firebird just like that, same year same color but he put a dual quad tunnel ram on it. He would mash the gas on that and you wouldn't here much but you look behind you and smoke from the posi rear end left really long burnouts. It was pretty fast car. The tunnel rsm,dirt under the stock hood and made it a total sleeper. I used to have a 72 Swinger Dart also in blue. Only 225 slant 6 motor at least it has posi.
Was hoping the bird woulda won, my pops had a 69 bird when he was younger that had a 69 judge engine in it. He got it from an older guy say somewhere around 1989-1992 the car was then stolen :(
I knew the bird had that one, the numbers don't lie unless the driver was a 500 pounder. The bestest part of your videos are those AWSOME special effects. Happy New Year sphincter
@@edwhitson9873 Interesting they are similar in being a Fisher F-Body car. everything else does NOT fit with exception of the diff and CTL arms. Pontiacs are clearly Built better yet from a first glance every bit the same general shape!
When this guy grows up I hope he will tell someone just exactly is IN the cars....I mean both of them. RAM AIR 2 don't mean a whole lot to most. As far as bringing a knife to a gun fight...we used to race a 71 demon 340 stock with 391 gears that would eat that Pontiac.
That Bird was flyin from half track on. Amazing how the little 340 was getting out on him every time though. I love both the cars. Thanks for the vids.
take the 430 gears out way to low. 391 gears tune that 340 then run again see what happens there fast stock ram air nothing to mess with in my day hell thay were all fast with a super tune
My buddy back in the mid 70’s had a stock 1969 Mustang Mach 1, 428 CJ, 4 speed. He only lost two races against other stock muscle cars. Two of the losses were against 400 Firebirds.
That was all cubic inches coming on at the end, 1/8 mile, 340 all the way. Tough to stay ahead when you're 60 cubic inches smaller. I use to work with a old timer drag racer, he always said, the bigger it is, the faster you'll go.
From what I read somewhere, I think it was an article by Dan Jensen, the Ram Air 4's he built would consistently put out 435-445 horsepower fully prepped for Pure Stock. I suspect the RA 2 was close in that neighborhood. ( recently read in another article, that the RA2 made 430-440hp setup for pure stock.)
Goodday C & Z, You know I am a Mopar or no Car type of guy, My 1970 VG 770 Hardtop Hemi 6 cylinder Valiant has an identical body to the Dodge Dart, basically shipped out to Australia back in the day with an Australian front do over. Love to show you pictures of my hardtop. Love the Poncho too, no substitute for cubes. The Dodge got the jump but the Poncho had the legs as they say in the classics. It has been a fantastic year watching all your video's, you have done the muscle car world a great service, & you should be commended for your work. Take care of yourself, have a safe & joyful New Year for 2021, & I look forward to seeing more of your video's. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
If he'd modified that Dart to take cold air in from the plenum under the windshield he probably woulda taken the Pony. I did that to my 68 Cuda Formula S 340 and knocked 1.35 seconda off my 1/4 mile time. Amazing how much HP you lose when your carb is sucking hot underhood air. ... Thanks to Smokey Yunick for the tip and seeing Junior Johnsons Chevy.
I could do without the Cheeseball humor but the Dart 🎯 is worth a lot more today than the firebird. I have a similar 1969 Dart GTS but mine has the 440 and it’s a hurst 4 speed with a 4.10 Dana 60 rear. It’s best run was 11 seconds 119 mph. I’ve been offered $75,000 for it.
Pure Pontiac Power !! IIRC these were underrated because the throttle linkage did not allow 100% throttle -mere 30 sec to uninstall. Awesome "Mid Range" and top end still pulling, that firebird is breathing.
I had a friend who had a 19 7340 challenger any notes day he was considered pretty damn fast I drove it once and was very impressed alas he no longer has it and I no longer have my 1969 dodge coronet super bee oh well!
Had a 69 Dart gts some years ago here in the uk. Was a quick car and you were unlikely to see another. But ide be happy to own eather one of these cars now 😁
Dodge driver was quite good. Knew how to cut the lights and get off to the lead. The red light showed how hard he tried! Tough to out run a Ram Air 2 on the top end. Poncho just reeled him in. In actual NHRA events the Dart would be way lower than this FB in class racin.
I never heard of the ram air 2 but I know of the ram air 4 I love your channel watch it all the time keep up the great work and let me know what the ram air two is
@@snakeyhedger I thought the IV cam had a bit more Duration to try and make up the difference lost on the Rocker ratio change. I say that because some guys thought by putting the higher ratio rockers on it would give them more. In this instance, too much duration.
I have a VHS tape I bought in 1994 that features classic muscle car commercials from 1962 to 1975. Both these commercials were on it. The Pontiac spot sounds like they had Fifth Dimension perform the soundtrack. : )
I had a RAM III Judge in high school so I love Pontiacs but I've been consistently impressed with these 340s on here. I had no idea a stock 340 could run into the 13s!? I'll paraphrase what someone else already said; the pontiac won but the dodge won my respect.
First, as always, thanks for the great content. I can’t help but wonder if the Dart would do better with numerically lower rear gears, like 4.11s. Regardless, great race, and Happy New Year!
Was noticing the redline setting on the tachs of each car: Pontiac at 6200 rpm and Mopar at about 6400. This is actually really surprising for engines hobbled with factory cast iron exhaust manifolds and air cleaner! My big block chevys back in the day quit pulling at around 5500 with factory attire!
We were spinning and the steel wheels are F70’s so we switched to Rally II’s which are G70’s (wider & taller) to get more contact and take out some gearing.
Sink in 2019 I paid over $80,000 for a dodge challenger hellcat redeye and you look at the price of these cars and you want to fall out of the chair! But then again there’s no where’s near the amount of horsepower that the Redeye has
The Dart certainly seemed to have an advantage at the start. It looked like he did a burnout before every run, and the Firebird didn't, so I'm guessing the Dart's advantage was in the tires.
This is GO GREAT to see! Thanks, its Big! Those 340 Chrysler's, they were good, those piggy poorly tuned big block 426 cars and others were a joke, but, truth be told, a Ram Air II car really should be in the 11's along with its Brethen group.
Never seen a Pure Stock Firebird run in the 12's. Or weigh so little. Wonder why the Dart couldn't match his qualification times. It seemed set up to run 1/8 mile drag strip.
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will keep quite as I was there and they pitted across from me but I am looking forward to the video you have created
Done and done
Ram Air IV camshaft, round port heads, and decent factory exhaust manifolds showed their value in these races. Driver was also very good on those skinny tires.
I'M A CHEVY GUY AND REALLY LIKE THOSE 400 FIRE CHICKENS
BUT I'VE SEEN THESE DAMN 340'S SHAME A ZL1 CAMARO ...
BOTH CARS ARE GREAT LOOKING AND HAD SOME IMPRESSIVE TIMES MUST SAY THOUGH THE FIREBIRD SUPRISED THE HELL OUT OF ME DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE THAT FAST
Thought for sure the Poncho would take the Dart. Dayyyyyyyum! Good Stuff!!! Me likey.
Did anyone else notice that the firebird had different wheels than the steal ones in the beginning or just me
a lot of guys bring multiple sets
We were spinning and steel wheels are F70’s. We switched to Rally II’s which are G70’s (wider and taller) to increase contact and take out gearing. It worked. Track was the worst we’ve seen there.
@@snakeyhedger I understand that no traction at all I see a lot of people race and lose because of it when they should have won by a landslide
@@noahaaron5012 if you’re spinnin’, you ain’t winnin’
@@snakeyhedger fact on that
I can see that the MOPAR fans are accidentally hitting the dislike button with their tears
HAHAHA!
Of laughter because #gmproductsareajoke
Hey now watch it. I'm a Mopar fan but would never cry over being outran by an extra 60 cubes. Ha. But I like Pontiacs a lot too so it's all good to me anyway
I've been a Ford guy since they took out Enzo in 66, but I've always loved those 340 Darts
NOPE....WE are proud of the smaller 340 ci vs a 400ci...The 4.56's hurt the car mid track..it was set up for the 1/8th mile and street light to street light racing!
I've seen these cars back then run quicker and not far from stock either vs bigger engine GM/Ford cars..But I love seeing all types of older cars racing,reminds me of the 80's&90's..
My brother in law was a Pontiac guy and I always blew his doors off with my Mopars! 455 GTO vs 440 Charger RT! I won,every time! Yes 455's are quick but not 440 quick..We both started with dead stock cars never rebuilt and added mods from there..
My dad in his mid 80's bought a new 440 6bl Cuda(still has it) we raced my uncles GM,Fords all engines 455,454 ls-6,427,428,400,396,327 and Ford 390,427,428,429,460..It was fun times! Dad ran high 11's 2 weeks after he bought his Cuda,carb work,headers and slicks,engine was stock!
If the Firebird qualified/ dialed in at 13.06 and then ran under his time....in the 12s disqualified?!! That's how it works at every track I've ever raced at.
PSMCDR rules allow 0.3 better in shootout since qualifying is day prior to race.
"Back in the day", my '68 F'bird was also untouchable on the street by 340 Darts. I ran a 400 w/ RA III cam, Cloyes dbl roller timing chain, comp. valve job w/RA IV valves & springs, RA exh. manifolds & Camaro off-road chambered exh, RA IV oil pump & SD baffled pan, Q-jet w/ custom jets & rods, custom-curved distributer w/L-88 wires, and w.r. Muncie w/ 3.55 12-bolt l.s. diff. Engine wore '67 HO "open" air clnr. Car wore '69 Z/28 Rally wheels w'67 Rally I center caps, BFG TA F-60-15 radials, H.D. springs w/'69 TA sway bar, '69 TA hood, v.r. pwr steering, & manual '69 disc brakes & Velvetouch metallic rear drums.
L-78 396s, 6-pk 440s no problem. 4-1/4 427s had to be careful, esp. Chevelles; my car went 3450 lbs. w/me in driver's seat.
Scary fast acceleration, stick to corners like glue, stop on dime--repeatedly. Deluxe interior w/full gouges, Hurst comp-plus shifter, factory AM-FM radio. Verdoro green w/black interior.
Regardless of what books said, car WAS streetable; could put car in 4th at idle (750 rpm), and w/o using accel. pedal, car would motor away from a stop.
Loved that car.
Had to be careful w/340s, though. Light weight, and esp. w/Torqueflites, very quick cars initially...
the engine you show in the Poncho has the small rect ex ports as can be seen,not round.
No. You can easily see on the end exhaust ports “R” and “A,” and on the center exhaust ports, “96.” That means Ram Air II.
Was that Barbi Benton in the Dodge commercial?
Would have been a different story if it ran agains the Dart GTS with a 383.
Own a 69 dart gts with the same 340 and 4 barrel. Love it.
My friend had a Firebird just like that, same year same color but he put a dual quad tunnel ram on it. He would mash the gas on that and you wouldn't here much but you look behind you and smoke from the posi rear end left really long burnouts. It was pretty fast car. The tunnel rsm,dirt under the stock hood and made it a total sleeper. I used to have a 72 Swinger Dart also in blue. Only 225 slant 6 motor at least it has posi.
Could not believe the mopar was ahead off the line until I saw it had 456 gears! Those Pontiacs were tork monsters!
Says 4.11 in the vid for the Firebird. Would do better on 3.70s.
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I assume the Firebird is a 400 cubic inch engine.
Was hoping the bird woulda won, my pops had a 69 bird when he was younger that had a 69 judge engine in it. He got it from an older guy say somewhere around 1989-1992 the car was then stolen :(
I knew the bird had that one, the numbers don't lie unless the driver was a 500 pounder. The bestest part of your videos are those AWSOME special effects. Happy New Year sphincter
Sphincter says what?
@@CarsAndZebras Everybody knows it says, I'M IN CHARGE!
Ram Air 2 Firdbird all the way. Those cars are seriously underrated and beast on the track.
Definitely a good running car!
Pontiac powered Camaro by a different name
@@edwhitson9873
Interesting they are similar in being a Fisher F-Body car.
everything else does NOT fit with exception of the diff and CTL arms.
Pontiacs are clearly Built better yet from a first glance every bit the same general shape!
@@yafois988 same Generic Motor Crap no matter what name you call it
@@edwhitson9873 uneducated comment
Thanks for all the content. I have been watching alot of your content over the last few days. Keep up the good work
Thanks for watching!
Pontiac Performance... Perfect!
Great race C&Z! Thanks!
Thanks for watching! 👍
So whats the big accomplishment? A 400 cube hybred, with a computor designed cam, special heads,etc beats a bone stock 340 Dart, jeez im impressed.
Could you act any more like a crybaby child who just lost at checkers?
When this guy grows up I hope he will tell someone just exactly is IN the cars....I mean both of them. RAM AIR 2 don't mean a whole lot to most. As far as bringing a knife to a gun fight...we used to race a 71 demon 340 stock with 391 gears that would eat that Pontiac.
2 badass cars right here !!
Although I’m a Mopar guy this fire bro is far better looking than the dark in my opinion
This channel is my newest and best entertainment. Love the cars and all the info!
Much less h .p. for the dodge thats explain every thing
Are these cars supposed to be stock? 12.83 on skinny bias tires seems a bit fishy for a stock 400 Firebird.
I'm surprised that the Firebird managed to take that 340 motor. Those 340's take off like scalded cats.
Well done.
400 CID vs 340? Plus Ram Air ll. C’mon Man 🤣
That Bird was flyin from half track on. Amazing how the little 340 was getting out on him every time though. I love both the cars. Thanks for the vids.
take the 430 gears out way to low. 391 gears tune that 340 then run again see what happens there fast stock ram air nothing to mess with in my day hell thay were all fast with a super tune
I’m glad I’m watching this without pants on.
It does make things more comfortable
No surprise here a factory modified Poncho against a obviously stock Mopar. The underdog doesn't always win.
How is the Firebird modified?
Gonna have to go with the ‘Bird. Those 400’s were very underrated.
My buddy back in the mid 70’s had a stock 1969 Mustang Mach 1, 428 CJ, 4 speed. He only lost two races against other stock muscle cars. Two of the losses were against 400 Firebirds.
You misspelled overrated
@@danmyers9372 so he only had 2 races in his whole life?
@@Welcometofacsistube - I take it you are a Most Often Passed At Races fan?
@@Welcometofacsistube sounds like you have been smoked by quite a few Pontiac’s.
Being an Olds Pontiac guy I was rooting for the Firebird, but that little 340 was impressive. Thumb up of course.
then you show the bird with rallye ll rims.wtf?
You are surprised that regular drag racers have two sets of wheels/tires? “wtf” is right.
That was all cubic inches coming on at the end, 1/8 mile, 340 all the way. Tough to stay ahead when you're 60 cubic inches smaller. I use to work with a old timer drag racer, he always said, the bigger it is, the faster you'll go.
Very interesting race. The Darts always have a good 60 foot time, but that Firebird really covered some ground in the second half of the track!
@@CarsAndZebras Yes it did.
Sweet video. I was thinking it would be the Pontiac but those 340’s always surprise me.
1969 Dodge Dart GTS 340 vs 1968 Pontiac Firebird Ram Air II 426 The Dart 340 should never been that close.
HEY! I made it into this video! 1:02 That’s me acting as a car. Thank you, daddy C&Z!
Good thing they covered up your ugly mug
Good eye Jeremy
From what I read somewhere, I think it was an article by Dan Jensen, the Ram Air 4's he built would consistently put out 435-445 horsepower fully prepped for Pure Stock. I suspect the RA 2 was close in that neighborhood. ( recently read in another article, that the RA2 made 430-440hp setup for pure stock.)
That firebird is dialed in.
Goodday C & Z,
You know I am a Mopar or no Car type of guy,
My 1970 VG 770 Hardtop Hemi 6 cylinder Valiant has an identical body to the Dodge Dart, basically shipped out to Australia back in the day with an Australian front do over.
Love to show you pictures of my hardtop.
Love the Poncho too, no substitute for cubes. The Dodge got the jump but the Poncho had the legs as they say in the classics.
It has been a fantastic year watching all your video's, you have done the muscle car world a great service, & you should be commended for your work.
Take care of yourself, have a safe & joyful New Year for 2021, & I look forward to seeing more of your video's.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
happy new year!
Another GREAT Vid! Makes me wanna Go "Wide Traken" with the winning car! Dang quick little Bird!
If he'd modified that Dart to take cold air in from the plenum under the windshield he probably woulda taken the Pony. I did that to my 68 Cuda Formula S 340 and knocked 1.35 seconda off my 1/4 mile time. Amazing how much HP you lose when your carb is sucking hot underhood air.
... Thanks to Smokey Yunick for the tip and seeing Junior Johnsons Chevy.
Why dont you have more subs? Content 10/10
Too much gear on the dart that's why he loses it on the top end 430 is great from light to light but not in a quarter mile
I could do without the Cheeseball humor but the Dart 🎯 is worth a lot more today than the firebird. I have a similar 1969 Dart GTS but mine has the 440 and it’s a hurst 4 speed with a 4.10 Dana 60 rear. It’s best run was 11 seconds 119 mph. I’ve been offered $75,000 for it.
Is hat Victoria Principal at 4:26??
That Firebird is impressive. Not bad!
Pure Pontiac Power !! IIRC these were underrated because the throttle linkage did not allow 100% throttle -mere 30 sec to uninstall. Awesome "Mid Range" and top end still pulling, that firebird is breathing.
That Dart is pretty impressive. Love the Ram air 2. I want them both.
I had a friend who had a 19 7340 challenger any notes day he was considered pretty damn fast I drove it once and was very impressed alas he no longer has it and I no longer have my 1969 dodge coronet super bee oh well!
Jesus, that Poncho really hauls the mail.
Very quick car!
If I remember correctly the RAII was identical to the RAIV? I think the IV was slightly better? I recall reading some IV's doing low 12s
Awesome job with the addition of mick dundee
Great show to many commercials
Love firebirds but that dart is beautiful
👍👍👍
Had a 69 Dart gts some years ago here in the uk.
Was a quick car and you were unlikely to see another.
But ide be happy to own eather one of these cars now 😁
Yeah, I can’t imagine there are many of those around there!
That Dodge commercial was epic.
👍
Dodge driver was quite good. Knew how to cut the lights and get off to the lead. The red light showed how hard he tried! Tough to out run a Ram Air 2 on the top end. Poncho just reeled him in. In actual NHRA events the Dart would be way lower than this FB in class racin.
I never heard of the ram air 2 but I know of the ram air 4 I love your channel watch it all the time keep up the great work and let me know what the ram air two is
RAII is same head as RAIV except rocker ratio is 1.5 vs RAIV 1.65. Also cast iron intake where RAIV is aluminum. Same camshaft in both.
@@snakeyhedger I thought the IV cam had a bit more Duration to try and make up the difference lost on the Rocker ratio change. I say that because some guys thought by putting the higher ratio rockers on it would give them more. In this instance, too much duration.
I have a VHS tape I bought in 1994 that features classic muscle car commercials from 1962 to 1975. Both these commercials were on it. The Pontiac spot sounds like they had Fifth Dimension perform the soundtrack. : )
Always great racing no matter what is going down the 1/4 mile, keep it going 👍👍😎💪💪
That’s true!
400 cid verses 340 cid come on out matched big time .
I’m still waiting for that day when I wake up and this channel has another 100K subs.
Ha, I don’t think that day will even happen but I appreciate that
Man that dart is heavy! My 74 duster must weight 3,800.
I had a RAM III Judge in high school so I love Pontiacs but I've been consistently impressed with these 340s on here. I had no idea a stock 340 could run into the 13s!? I'll paraphrase what someone else already said; the pontiac won but the dodge won my respect.
Tough call, those 340s are sneaky. My head says 340, but I’m going with my heart on this one and the Firebird. I’ll bet this one is close.
I’m actually surprised more people haven’t picked the Firebird
First, as always, thanks for the great content. I can’t help but wonder if the Dart would do better with numerically lower rear gears, like 4.11s. Regardless, great race, and Happy New Year!
Some tuning and that 340 will spank that spun bearing fire turd
340's in my area all ran 12.70's with not much work to them...lower 12's with more aggressive cam etc.
The rears in the 340 is what got it off the line faster, would love to have either in my garage!!!
Great for 1/8th mile or street light to street light...1/4 mile needed the 3.91 would have had a better top end!
More cube, less weight, more factory mods, more torque, should anyone be surprised?
Was noticing the redline setting on the tachs of each car: Pontiac at 6200 rpm and Mopar at about 6400. This is actually really surprising for engines hobbled with factory cast iron exhaust manifolds and air cleaner! My big block chevys back in the day quit pulling at around 5500 with factory attire!
6:37 - Franz from Harper Woods Mi drives a 69 Dodge Dart and his Wife does a very good Pulled Pork! ROTFLMAO.
Put 3.91's in the Dart and it wins every time.
Or 4.10
Nope. It would've lost it's holeshot advantage to gain a few mph at the end. Aerodynamically, it's a brick. The Pontiac simply had more power.
Why does the Firebird in the pits have steel wheels, while the one shown in the race have Rally II wheels? 🤔
Maybe the rules required that the heavier, stock, Rally II wheels be used?
We were spinning and the steel wheels are F70’s so we switched to Rally II’s which are G70’s (wider & taller) to get more contact and take out some gearing.
@@snakeyhedger Great performance! What front and rear pressures worked best that day?
@@briansd2772 40 front, 26 rear is norm. We lowered rear to 24 and didn’t help
@@snakeyhedger Thanks and keep up the great work.
Always thought the firebird that year would have looked really cool with hideaway headlights.
Just my opinion 😁
Those Ram Air II cars are pretty fast.
Definitely 👍
That GM can't hold a candle to a 340. Bad ass dart
Epic race!
Dart is at a disadvantage The whole way including weight which is surprising but it held its own.
Have a 67 firebird love the 1 gens
Yeah, I really like the ‘67 and ‘68. I wouldn’t mind finding a 400 car, doesn’t need to be a Ram Air.
Love the color of the Firebird !
Going for the 340 A body. (As if you didn't know I was going to root for the MOPAR
Just goes to show.. There is no replacement for displacement...
Okay...one second....be right back....pants are changed.....done.
Aunt nothing like a pontiac
Sink in 2019 I paid over $80,000 for a dodge challenger hellcat redeye and you look at the price of these cars and you want to fall out of the chair! But then again there’s no where’s near the amount of horsepower that the Redeye has
I'm going with the round port Firebird.
Good guess! We’ll see tomorrow 👍
Dodge to win
The Dart certainly seemed to have an advantage at the start. It looked like he did a burnout before every run, and the Firebird didn't, so I'm guessing the Dart's advantage was in the tires.
Smaller engine quicker out of the hole but the bigger engine will catch up and pass. Pontiac came out with Ram Air lII and IV. Even better.
I thought the Dart would be a Little Lighter, it's Heavier than i thought.
Yeah, that one is actually kind of heavy, but it weighs in around that much every year.
This is GO GREAT to see! Thanks, its Big! Those 340 Chrysler's, they were good, those piggy poorly tuned big block 426 cars and others were a joke, but, truth be told, a Ram Air II car really should be in the 11's along with its Brethen group.
Move Over Pontiac Approaching Rapidly
If the dart was a stock lo23... Different story.
A toss up for me, I love the early Firebirds. I really like my Mopars too.
Never seen a Pure Stock Firebird run in the 12's. Or weigh so little. Wonder why the Dart couldn't match his qualification times. It seemed set up to run 1/8 mile drag strip.
Yes set for the 1/8th...4.56 run out of steam after that.
i always liked the ponchos mid range power.
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