The "You know I know about farming" scene from the series finale gets me every time. Callis said in interviews that it wasn't in the script for him to cry, but he couldn't help it and actually got emotional having played the character for six years
Him and me both, i do not intend to, but I cry at that scene every frakking time, from the day I watched it on first day it aired, to last week to my probably 20th time finishing series entirely.
That's one of my favorite scenes also, Gaius realized how wrong he was to completely reject who he was and where he came from. I half expected him to say "Forgive me dad."
And it's a full cycle too. he beats up his farmer dad near Caprica Six and in the end he accepts his history in the final saying "i know a bit about farming you know" god damn poetic and a tear jerker.
It’s quite ironic that Chief Tyrol brings up the fact that the sons and daughters of the Fleet are inheriting their parent’s job without any choice, yet when talking to Baltar, the exact same phenomenon was already deeply rooted in the society of the Twelve Colonies. If you were born on Aerilon, chances are you’d be a Farmer for life, then there’s Baltar, an Aerilon native who had to forget everything he ever knew in hopes of attaching himself to a more lucrative nationality, to tap into a better lifestyle.
I have always had a sneaking suspicion that Kobol had some sort of rigid caste based society and when the Twelve Tribes fled to settle in the Cyrannus system, the caste based system evolved into a class based society where each Colony inherited their original tribes' traits. Evidently some colonies will have it easy and some have it hard. And everyone ultimately had their place within society. I suspect it is no different than today where certain states in the United States have a much easier time than others in terms of social mobility or even in say Europe where you are viewed differently depending on which country you are from. Hell even in South East Asia where your life and opportunities are dictated by what level or education you achieve.
Lee Adama suggests that the Quorum of Twelve be dissolved and replaced by a council of ship captains since the Colonies are gone, close to the end of the series. The society has changed dramatically since leaving the Colonies and no longer needs the previous social classes
@@richardtaylor1652 No. I very much doubt that the cast strcture was that rigid on Kobol. But I strogly suspect that the same thing happened in exile that Tyrol was working against here. With the old society gone, roles ossified and hardened over a very long exodus until society was completely stratified and segregated by the time it got to the Twelve Worlds.
He really is the textbook example of the Prodigal Son. Turned his back on family to live a life of opulence while exploring the outside world, only to fatefully return to the life his father believed was best for him. "You know, I know about farming" is perhaps the greatest end to a story arc I initially despised but ended up loving the most. Callis nailed it.
@@riceuteneuer2678 BLOOD 'N' STOMACH PILLS! IF TH'ADAMA THINKS AM PAYIN THA' FORRA PINT O' ALE THAT TASTES LYK A NAT PISSED IN'T KITCHEN SINK, E'S GORRA 'NOTHER THINK COMIN'!
James Callis is a goddamn fantastic actor. His problem is he needs something like Galactica that's organic and permissive and wildly creative to really thrive.
Probably Baltar's best quote. Of course under his administration people have been abused just the same in New Caprica... Nevertheless, this quote is spot on.
@@desertdude8274 how was his point related to genocide? He said he agrees with there being one set of rules for us, and one set of rules for the aristocracy. A genocide happens when people do what they think to be right, or when they fear the alternative. Also, a genocide means any murder where 8 or more people have died, so in that context the word loses its impact.
@@dynestis2875 What im saying is people draw up solutions to problems via violent overthrow of power whenever the opportunity arises. Baltar is in the right about the issues of a growing group of powerful people in the fleet however he shouldnt have a say because the fleet is all thats left for humanity to continue. You can see what I mean in later episodes. Zarek was that one person who had the balls to overturn everything in the face of jepordizing the survival of humanity and the institutions that give the fleet civil order. Baltar is claiming that a dynasty is forming but all of that doesnt matter when survival is on a knife edge. If baltar had his way it might be similar to what Zarek wanted to do. Im not saying he is wrong im saying that covincing people you are oppressed by a overbering elite for you're entire life is a counterproductive way to bring change especially in the context of the show.
There are some instances in film when telling is superior to showing. This scene demonstrates this principle. There is a mystery evoked by this scene: is Gaius Baltar lying? If we wasn't, how does this add to our understanding of his character? Much of this is dispelled by the final episode's depiction of Baltar and his father. The truth, as it turned out, was less interesting than the question itself.
I grew up in the south. I grew up hearing people speak with an accent that defined them as uneducated and ignorant and I spent so much time practicing how to speak without that accent. This hits home
Criminally underused. I hope that he is perhaps someone who shuns the limelight and has turned down work in favour of doing something else, because his performance in BSG should have attracted the notice of producers on both sides of the Atlantic. In show with a lot of good actors, I thought he was the standout.
So say we all. Without his charm and wittiness, the show wouldn't have been what it became. He was brilliant in this series. Also, it's rather ironic what Gaius said applies in real life?
@@PumpkinHoard I mean, they could probably grow tobacco with some grow lamps. It'd be insanely rare though. Maybe one of the civilian ships had tons of the stuff and they gave the military first access due to their stress or something.
One of the best, most layered tv characters of the last 20 years. 90% of the cast of Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, has nothing on Baltar, or the actor portraying him.
Gabe Logan Gaius brought up a lot of good points and issues. But due to the nature of his character half of everything he says and does is bullshit. He’s mentioning “aristocracy” in a declining population with no means of currency or real political power. He’d be right eventually, but in this moment there is literally no one who can replace command from adama because no one is qualified or has the ability to learn to qualify and Roslin is literally replaced by Baltar himself. So he’s complaining about a non issue.
@@natedagreat19 no you get it wrong he is askin will EVER anyone not called Adama be the one in charge . Look on the Baltar trail and what Lee had to say about him self . By his own word he should be exsecuted but he is live and well placed to get the rule after his father . This is what Baltar was talking about . More over Baltar do know that the Admiral did not puniish Roselin and Tigh after they where meddeling whit the ELECTION . About ¨no means of currency or real political power" this is bullshit there is political power and there is no need of currency for you to have Monarchy is about power and rulling not about money .
He's by far and away my favourite character. So just.. out there himself, until the end. What he always said was right, but the other characters always ad hominem'd him; they thought that because of who he was, who he'd done, he was wrong. But that's not how it works, isn't it?
I was trying to rehearse this scene in a cancer clinic while getting a TYSABRI drip.Had to change the gender and accents from East Texas to DC area though.Close to my heart,this scene is.
It's important to remember the 2000s context in which they was filmed. The question of whether the fleet would ever be led by someone whose last name wasn't Adama was definitely a reference to President George Bush II.
@@Garium87 Also... I got the impression it wasn't "You lost the lottery, you are a farmer for the rest of your life but rather "you lost the lottery- you get first shift at the farms" and that it would rotate. But others have a good point that a certain group would *never* serve on those farms. They were the real upper class.
The idea was to broaden the pool. Rather than just condemning those who ended up stuck aboard the farming ships to be stuck with the menial task of farming, those somewhat humiliating jobs would be shared among a larger group. The problem was that the group wasn't large enough or really all that diverse. Later in the episode Tyrol and the President come up with a better plan. Instead of just picking from people who grew up on farming worlds, have politicians and bureaucrats added to the potential work pool. That way everyone gets a taste of those jobs, and learn to appreciate them more.
I love Baltar even more now. He was always the most interesting and dynamic character of the show -Also Alieron is the least populous colony. Canceron is the most
FYI, Aerilon is actually the FOURTH least populated colony (1.2 billion). The least populated colony is Aquaria (30,000), followed by Libran (2.1 million), and then Scorpia (450 million).
So when confronted with the dire possibility of inherited professions (and thus social class), the president's solution is forced conscription into professions against the person's will. How in the hell did either of them think that was an acceptable, much less preferable, solution? Based Gaius, calling it like it would potentially be though.
Aside from her obvious elitism clouding her judgement I think she just actively ignores anything that Baltar points out as a problem. I mean she did arrest a guy just for quoting him.
Bruh in times of crisis and manpower shortages. This is actually very common. During the late roman and byzantine dark ages. The soldiering profession was passed on from father to son with no way out.
This a perfect example and how beautifully complex the characters are in BSG. Everything Gaius says here is right, but at the same time he’s not right for the right reason. The 12 colonies having a classist system is correct, even his personal experiences feeling like a 2nd class citizen is true, but everything about every point he’s trying to convey to Chief is completely BS. He doesn’t care about fairness or what’s truly “right” like Chief (not that there is a “right” system as chief learns the hard way). Baltar has acted and for most of the show, still acts elitist. He’s playing on existing grievances to cultivate support amongst the downtrodden because otherwise he’s dead. Perfect amount of truth mixed in with the just the right amount of deceit. Genius writing.
I love the fact that his actual accent sounds like he is from Yorkshire... and the town Cuttlesbreath Wash also sounds like it's a sleepy village in the Yorkshire Dales.
he is actually my favourite and always has been because Baltar and Six are such outsiders but have great chemistry and are ultimately pivotal to the overall story
I understand the point they are trying to make here. Like with the kid protesting that he’s not a farmer. Unfortunately though in this situation no one really has that luxury. There really isn’t any “civilians” in this fleet. The cylons ended the luxury of following your dreams. Life demands what it demands unfortunately
@@usul573 True that doesnt change the sacrifices that must be made for survival though. Comfort, is one of them, freedoms you once knew might be another. When survival demands it, these are sacrifices worth making, though none that should be easily made.
Problem is when you go to "necessary sacrifices" way too quickly. That feeds resentment towards the top and only fuels support for extremism. As the end of episode showed there were compromises that could be made that didn't just shove the burden on the blue collar workers alone.
Chief: Listen kid, you only need to do it for a day. It's temporary. Just don't climb in any of the heavy machinery. Chief later: Bro, how did you even fit in there?
I really wish the writers would have added scenes of people on the other planets and backstories of the other planets, like on Aerilon. Maybe Canceron was more like Greenland or like Winnipeg Canada. People's accents and clothes.
I feel this.My grandparents raised me on a farm.I found out his people across the pond were from this part of the world.White blond hair and colorblind.Very good at maths.I spent years trying to modify my accent so I wouldn't sound dumb.
@@stonem0013 The kid that lost his hand was forced into the job because he had some past experience working with heavy machinery. The chief doesn't want people to be forced and stuck into career paths so he proposes a rotation so everyone can gain experience in different types of jobs and chose one down the line.
The only thing that bugged me about this episode, is that it happened way to late in the show. This is a dilemma that would likely have arisen way earlier, considering the difference in living conditions on the ships. Not to mention how there probably would be some voluenteers aswell, as I imagine quite alot of people just did nothing all day while being on the ships.
Baltar for me was the most interesting character because of his flaws. And because he was often right and wrong at the same time. Basically embodies the human condition.
Funnily enough, while it would be hard for a 10 year old to unlearn his native dialect, it'd actually be easier than if he tried to do it when he was an adult. The hardest part is that he had to self-teach himself.
I think it demonstrates her lack of full understanding of the inherent classism. She doesn't fix the problem, in a sense she adds to it, drafting manual workers from across the fleet. You've gotta wonder how many lawyers, accountants, secretaries, etc, remained in the fleet without much of a job. Roslin fixes her error by the end of the episode.
Yeah that's how I sound,but my voice is about as high pitched as his in his posh upper class accent,east riding of yorkshire here it's mental how many different accents there is in UK
While fantastically acted, Gaius always came off as an incredible opportunist in this particular arc to me. He is a man that had all the privileges of the aristocracy for years, and it isn't until he's had them all irrevocably stripped away that he chooses to emerge as the leader of the class struggle by identifying as a member of the lower class. I have a lot of difficulty believing any of this was for the sake of something beyond his own ego.
I always took it more so as Gaius beginning to accept who he is and choosing to no longer ignore the things that bothered him. Tragedy, personal failure, his personal disappointment, and hopelessness made him reflect on himself and the world around him. He finally started to see things as they really are. Such a large portion of the downfall of the human race was caused by willingly blissful blind ignorance. Gaius's main faults that caused majority of the problems he was involved in was his own ignorance, his arrogance, and his constant lying. And he finally decided enough was enough, no more lies, no more arrogant pride, no more turning a blind eye to things. So he began to forgo blind ignorance, accept reality and himself. Basically thinking, "We need to burn all of this down to the ground and rebuild it right, even myself. Even if it means outing myself for what I really am. Even if it means thrusting myself in between both sides to help stop the war, and even if it means everyone important is going to be against me as a result."
no, there's _plenty_ of variety in Northern accents. Scouse , Geordie and Yorkshire; 3 very different accents off the top of my head but you hardly ever hear them on tv.
Sean is from Sheffield in Yorkshire, James is using a Bradford accent. Also Yorkshire and Northern but a bit different (they are only about 30 miles apart) Also despite being from west London James Callis studied at the University of York.
James and Tricia made the show for me. Any episode where they were missing or minimized are less interesting. Tricia is 50 now, but still looks incredible.
You know, at the time of the fall, Tauron was one of the thriving colonies, but 58 years earlier (according to the prequel), Tauron was a poor colony. They became richer thanks to the unification of the 12 colonies?
Remember Adama successfully executed a coup at the start of the show when he didn’t want to follow the presidents orders and refused to take orders from the president when it was someone he didn’t like. I think the show didn’t highlight enough how big of a problem Adama was in that role for someone who only listened to orders from people he liked
One thing about this scene that jumps out at me that I don't see many folks commenting on is the question that Baltar asks Tyrol at the end of their convo: "Do you honestly believe that this fleet will ever be commanded by someone who's last name isn't "Adama"?" I think this is a rather disingenuous of Baltar, but he should be smart enough to see that for himself (unless he's just saying it to stir the pot). Like, who tf else has the qualifications for that job? Lee is is the most qualified military leader they've got after his dad & the Col. Heck, Tyrol should have thought the same thing immediately considering that he knows all those same people on both a personal & professional level. IDK, I just thought that is was a pretty weak argument that should be easy to swat down, but none of the characters ever do so.
I like to think that they aren't canonically talking english, but an alien language and it's all translated to english just to let us understand what are the stories.
Roslin had so many bad ideas lmao. I really ended up disliking her before the end. Mary McDonnell did a fantastic job as an in-over-her-head bureaucrat thrust into a leadership role.
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The "You know I know about farming" scene from the series finale gets me every time. Callis said in interviews that it wasn't in the script for him to cry, but he couldn't help it and actually got emotional having played the character for six years
Him and me both, i do not intend to, but I cry at that scene every frakking time, from the day I watched it on first day it aired, to last week to my probably 20th time finishing series entirely.
Oh man, really? That is fantastic, his crying makes that scene...he really made that character.
Which episode is that
@@tomlawrence1335 the very last episode
That's one of my favorite scenes also, Gaius realized how wrong he was to completely reject who he was and where he came from. I half expected him to say "Forgive me dad."
The way James Callis switched accents made that scene one of my favorites. It was an awesome addition on Gaius' character.
And it's a full cycle too. he beats up his farmer dad near Caprica Six and in the end he accepts his history in the final saying "i know a bit about farming you know" god damn poetic and a tear jerker.
It's ridiculous the number of times I went back and forth from loathing Gaius Baltar to pitying him. Talk about a complex character.
Logan Cox he has one of the greatest character buildups in all of television in my mind.
And here is that very clips: ruclips.net/video/xLqU8XvkCi0/видео.html the part about his Dad that is.
Everything about this show was so amazing. Gaius never ceased to shock me in terms of his depth and intelligence.
It’s quite ironic that Chief Tyrol brings up the fact that the sons and daughters of the Fleet are inheriting their parent’s job without any choice, yet when talking to Baltar, the exact same phenomenon was already deeply rooted in the society of the Twelve Colonies. If you were born on Aerilon, chances are you’d be a Farmer for life, then there’s Baltar, an Aerilon native who had to forget everything he ever knew in hopes of attaching himself to a more lucrative nationality, to tap into a better lifestyle.
I have always had a sneaking suspicion that Kobol had some sort of rigid caste based society and when the Twelve Tribes fled to settle in the Cyrannus system, the caste based system evolved into a class based society where each Colony inherited their original tribes' traits.
Evidently some colonies will have it easy and some have it hard. And everyone ultimately had their place within society. I suspect it is no different than today where certain states in the United States have a much easier time than others in terms of social mobility or even in say Europe where you are viewed differently depending on which country you are from. Hell even in South East Asia where your life and opportunities are dictated by what level or education you achieve.
Lee Adama suggests that the Quorum of Twelve be dissolved and replaced by a council of ship captains since the Colonies are gone, close to the end of the series. The society has changed dramatically since leaving the Colonies and no longer needs the previous social classes
@@richardtaylor1652 You see this in the comics EU, Kobol had classes/prejudice etc. and they left for a good reason.
@@richardtaylor1652 No. I very much doubt that the cast strcture was that rigid on Kobol. But I strogly suspect that the same thing happened in exile that Tyrol was working against here. With the old society gone, roles ossified and hardened over a very long exodus until society was completely stratified and segregated by the time it got to the Twelve Worlds.
He really is the textbook example of the Prodigal Son. Turned his back on family to live a life of opulence while exploring the outside world, only to fatefully return to the life his father believed was best for him. "You know, I know about farming" is perhaps the greatest end to a story arc I initially despised but ended up loving the most. Callis nailed it.
that is a real tearjerker that part
‘Lack of imagination’ such a great comeback.
I serve it to everyone anoying me with stupid answers.
You have no...NO idea how I reacted when Gaius Fookin Baltaar turned out t'be a fookin' YORKSHIREMAN!!!
"FIVE BLOODEH CUBITS FOR A PINT ? DOST THA THINK I'M MADE OF MONEH?"
@@riceuteneuer2678 BLOOD 'N' STOMACH PILLS! IF TH'ADAMA THINKS AM PAYIN THA' FORRA PINT O' ALE THAT TASTES LYK A NAT PISSED IN'T KITCHEN SINK, E'S GORRA 'NOTHER THINK COMIN'!
Ehoop dook, yowlin' uppin dawn th'fel
Well, they fortunately resisted the urge to do Cockney.
So why does his father have a West Country accent and the father's nurse a Canadian?
Did the 12 Colonies even pass geography?
James Callis is a goddamn fantastic actor. His problem is he needs something like Galactica that's organic and permissive and wildly creative to really thrive.
I'm honestly surprised he hasn't appeared in Game of Thrones
@@TheStRyder91 Yeah he's got that vibe that would work well in GOT. I also would have loved to see Patrick Stewart show up in GOT as some lord.
Like mist great actors.
i mean he's playing Alucard in Castlevania, so?
He was really good in Eureka as well.
As a Yorkshireman programmer from a RAF family , who is the only 'posh' accent one , I always related to B here
Galactica is the only remake I consider better than the original.
@Bing Bing Bong Bong Bing The oringinal was more of a space cowboy show, while the new bsg is a action/space opera.
The new Planet of the Apes films are better than the originals.
@Bing Bing Bong Bong Bing It's not sarcasm dude.
@Bing Bing Bong Bong Bing I don't know how anyone could think otherwise. But ok bro.
@Bing Bing Bong Bong Bing The first one is. The rest of them range from mediocre to shite.
"There it is, Chief. One set of rules for the aristocracy and one set of rules for the rest of us."
Probably Baltar's best quote. Of course under his administration people have been abused just the same in New Caprica... Nevertheless, this quote is spot on.
@Matthew Caughey Don't be so quick to agree. People use the suffering of others to justify genocide all the time.
@@desertdude8274 how was his point related to genocide?
He said he agrees with there being one set of rules for us, and one set of rules for the aristocracy.
A genocide happens when people do what they think to be right, or when they fear the alternative.
Also, a genocide means any murder where 8 or more people have died, so in that context the word loses its impact.
@@dynestis2875 What im saying is people draw up solutions to problems via violent overthrow of power whenever the opportunity arises. Baltar is in the right about the issues of a growing group of powerful people in the fleet however he shouldnt have a say because the fleet is all thats left for humanity to continue. You can see what I mean in later episodes. Zarek was that one person who had the balls to overturn everything in the face of jepordizing the survival of humanity and the institutions that give the fleet civil order. Baltar is claiming that a dynasty is forming but all of that doesnt matter when survival is on a knife edge. If baltar had his way it might be similar to what Zarek wanted to do. Im not saying he is wrong im saying that covincing people you are oppressed by a overbering elite for you're entire life is a counterproductive way to bring change especially in the context of the show.
You know, I know about farming.
Frak! I love this scene. Foreshadowing for his ultimate fate. Being a farmer just like his father was.
Plus, it adds so much character to Baltar.
the way how, at the end of the series, Baltar tells his love, Caprica, he knows a bit about farming. so good.
There are some instances in film when telling is superior to showing. This scene demonstrates this principle. There is a mystery evoked by this scene: is Gaius Baltar lying? If we wasn't, how does this add to our understanding of his character? Much of this is dispelled by the final episode's depiction of Baltar and his father. The truth, as it turned out, was less interesting than the question itself.
@@erentheca and yet it made the question all that more interesting ;)
Well his job back in the Colonies didn't work out so well and he didn't do so well as a politician so maybe it was for the best.
I grew up in the south. I grew up hearing people speak with an accent that defined them as uneducated and ignorant and I spent so much time practicing how to speak without that accent. This hits home
Indeed. Although, it is not particularly difficult to discern those who aspire to the upper classes from those born to it, especially for the latter.
James Callis is such a brilliant actor!
Criminally underused. I hope that he is perhaps someone who shuns the limelight and has turned down work in favour of doing something else, because his performance in BSG should have attracted the notice of producers on both sides of the Atlantic.
In show with a lot of good actors, I thought he was the standout.
So say we all. Without his charm and wittiness, the show wouldn't have been what it became. He was brilliant in this series. Also, it's rather ironic what Gaius said applies in real life?
Best sci fi ever constantly blurring the lines between the "good guys " and the cylons very thought provoking
I totally forgot this scene. Too many incredible scenes to remember them all.
So Say We All
A lot of people did not like the episode Dirty Hands but I considered the scene between Tyrol and Baltar to be one of my favorite ever.
Maybe because the scene of the boy losing his hand is too shocking
It's one of my favorite episodes. Deals with an issue way outside typical science fiction.
I love that he says all of this while casually smoking one of the last cigars in the entire universe.
They never seemed to have a shortage of nicotine products. They never really explained that the way the did with the moonshine.
@@PumpkinHoard I mean, they could probably grow tobacco with some grow lamps. It'd be insanely rare though.
Maybe one of the civilian ships had tons of the stuff and they gave the military first access due to their stress or something.
tobacco plants are incredibly useful. the nicotine was for millennia a by-product. You can make anything from rope to paper form the tobacco plant.
This is James Callis being an absolute acting boss
Amazing actor, made this character the best in the entire show. So human
Him and... Tigh
Balthar and Head Six's scenes were usually the best in the whole show.
Gaius character development during this season took off like a speeding viper.
this is one of my top 5 favourite scenes in the whole show
this show is so underated
HelloBrethren - Really? Pretty sure it's well loved.
Not underrrated
The only TV show to be the center of a UN study on race relations.
All I can say is most of my friends make fun of the name all the time and refuse to believe its quality...
It's one of the highest rated shows in the history of television, IDK what you're talking about.
One of the best, most layered tv characters of the last 20 years. 90% of the cast of Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, has nothing on Baltar, or the actor portraying him.
Babylon 5.....
@@freewilliam93 Alfred Bester comes close.
THERE MUST ALWAYS BE A STARK ON AERILON 😄
I love how it's not just an accent, it's a completely different character and tone of voice.
I love Gaias. So tortured, so human, so hated.
i rooted all the way for him and the so called "good cylons" and haited the Commander aka Admiral and Laura Roselin !
Gabe Logan Gaius brought up a lot of good points and issues. But due to the nature of his character half of everything he says and does is bullshit. He’s mentioning “aristocracy” in a declining population with no means of currency or real political power. He’d be right eventually, but in this moment there is literally no one who can replace command from adama because no one is qualified or has the ability to learn to qualify and Roslin is literally replaced by Baltar himself. So he’s complaining about a non issue.
@@natedagreat19 no you get it wrong he is askin will EVER anyone not called Adama be the one in charge . Look on the Baltar trail and what Lee had to say about him self . By his own word he should be exsecuted but he is live and well placed to get the rule after his father . This is what Baltar was talking about . More over Baltar do know that the Admiral did not puniish Roselin and Tigh after they where meddeling whit the ELECTION .
About ¨no means of currency or real political power" this is bullshit there is political power and there is no need of currency for you to have Monarchy is about power and rulling not about money .
He's by far and away my favourite character. So just.. out there himself, until the end.
What he always said was right, but the other characters always ad hominem'd him; they thought that because of who he was, who he'd done, he was wrong.
But that's not how it works, isn't it?
*Gaius
I was trying to rehearse this scene in a cancer clinic while getting a TYSABRI drip.Had to change the gender and accents from East Texas to DC area though.Close to my heart,this scene is.
A SEVEN drug treatment? Jesus, mine was only four.
This was one of the most epic scenes in the whole series...
Baltars' comment at the end, is very profound.
It's important to remember the 2000s context in which they was filmed. The question of whether the fleet would ever be led by someone whose last name wasn't Adama was definitely a reference to President George Bush II.
Clinton was president before bush and bush was finishing his second term, that wasn’t a worry at all.
@@adultishgambino1Yeah, and Hillary Clinton was being tipped as an obvious candidate for the Democrats.
@@adultishgambino1Jeb Bush was getting ready to run for president
Big speach about I don't want my son to be a mechanic, few minutes later assigns some random guy to be a farmer who doesn't want to be a farmer
They made a lottery and he had bad luck. That is fairer than to say: "Your daddy did that job so you will do it too."
@@Garium87 Also... I got the impression it wasn't "You lost the lottery, you are a farmer for the rest of your life but rather "you lost the lottery- you get first shift at the farms" and that it would rotate.
But others have a good point that a certain group would *never* serve on those farms. They were the real upper class.
@@macmcleod1188 Good points.
The idea was to broaden the pool. Rather than just condemning those who ended up stuck aboard the farming ships to be stuck with the menial task of farming, those somewhat humiliating jobs would be shared among a larger group. The problem was that the group wasn't large enough or really all that diverse. Later in the episode Tyrol and the President come up with a better plan. Instead of just picking from people who grew up on farming worlds, have politicians and bureaucrats added to the potential work pool. That way everyone gets a taste of those jobs, and learn to appreciate them more.
PTNLemay - The Colonial Fleet could adopt an Ashram Policy...everyone takes latrine duty to demonstrate that no job is beneath anyone...
I love Baltar even more now. He was always the most interesting and dynamic character of the show
-Also Alieron is the least populous colony. Canceron is the most
Rosehip Of St. Gloriana Im pretty sure Aquaria is the least populated colony
More than 80% consists of arctic regions
Yeah, you might be right, all I know is the most populous is definitely Canceron and that the lest populous is in these same system (Helios Delta).
Rosehip Of St. Gloriana yeah you are right about that
Canceron is also called the 'Largest democracy' for a reason.
FYI, Aerilon is actually the FOURTH least populated colony (1.2 billion). The least populated colony is Aquaria (30,000), followed by Libran (2.1 million), and then Scorpia (450 million).
Damn, the acting of this show is simply superb.
So when confronted with the dire possibility of inherited professions (and thus social class), the president's solution is forced conscription into professions against the person's will.
How in the hell did either of them think that was an acceptable, much less preferable, solution?
Based Gaius, calling it like it would potentially be though.
Aside from her obvious elitism clouding her judgement I think she just actively ignores anything that Baltar points out as a problem. I mean she did arrest a guy just for quoting him.
Bruh in times of crisis and manpower shortages. This is actually very common. During the late roman and byzantine dark ages. The soldiering profession was passed on from father to son with no way out.
Both are flawed outcomes but they're both justified. It's survival, it's war.
This a perfect example and how beautifully complex the characters are in BSG. Everything Gaius says here is right, but at the same time he’s not right for the right reason.
The 12 colonies having a classist system is correct, even his personal experiences feeling like a 2nd class citizen is true, but everything about every point he’s trying to convey to Chief is completely BS. He doesn’t care about fairness or what’s truly “right” like Chief (not that there is a “right” system as chief learns the hard way). Baltar has acted and for most of the show, still acts elitist. He’s playing on existing grievances to cultivate support amongst the downtrodden because otherwise he’s dead.
Perfect amount of truth mixed in with the just the right amount of deceit. Genius writing.
I love the fact that his actual accent sounds like he is from Yorkshire... and the town Cuttlesbreath Wash also sounds like it's a sleepy village in the Yorkshire Dales.
One of my favourite scenes in the series. Best show ever. Miss it. Wish it went for 2 or 3 more seasons and fleshed out the universe more 😢
One of the episodes really dived deep into socioeconomic part of the fleet. Shows rarely show this side of the story and I appreciate BSG so much.
Rewatching the series, love it just as much as the first time.
This scene is one of my favorite. I don't really like Gaius Baltar, but this scene, this episode is great! James Call is is a great actor.
he is actually my favourite and always has been because Baltar and Six are such outsiders but have great chemistry and are ultimately pivotal to the overall story
Rules for thee not for me, has just as much meaning now than when this first came out
I understand the point they are trying to make here. Like with the kid protesting that he’s not a farmer. Unfortunately though in this situation no one really has that luxury.
There really isn’t any “civilians” in this fleet. The cylons ended the luxury of following your dreams.
Life demands what it demands unfortunately
It's one thing if they're on the run for a year. When you start getting into two years or three years it's your life.
@@usul573 True that doesnt change the sacrifices that must be made for survival though. Comfort, is one of them, freedoms you once knew might be another. When survival demands it, these are sacrifices worth making, though none that should be easily made.
The middle class tragedy. You very rarely go up, but if you fall down, you're in a world of hurt.
I would've been like "You're right kid, you're not a farmer. You're an Ordnanceman Recruit. NEXT!"
Problem is when you go to "necessary sacrifices" way too quickly. That feeds resentment towards the top and only fuels support for extremism. As the end of episode showed there were compromises that could be made that didn't just shove the burden on the blue collar workers alone.
I saw Castlevania before watching BSG and couldn’t believe Callis voiced Alucard. Then this scene happened and I no longer had any questions 😂
Love Castlevania and I’m so surprised he hasn’t done more voice acting roles. The man has range!
Space Yorkshire sounds pretty good actually
Literally what I was thinking when I first watched this
LOL he went straight Yorkshire! I know many people who have changed their accents especially when they went to University.
BSG is seriously the best show of all time. masterpiece
I don't know if I'm in love with Gaius Baltar, James Callis, or both.
Chief: Listen kid, you only need to do it for a day. It's temporary. Just don't climb in any of the heavy machinery.
Chief later: Bro, how did you even fit in there?
Kid: How is it fair? I'm a student?
Chief: We don't need Baristas and even if you graduated nobody's building new office buildings.
My Aerilon was Texas...few words slipped through the cracks.
I really wish the writers would have added scenes of people on the other planets and backstories of the other planets, like on Aerilon. Maybe Canceron was more like Greenland or like Winnipeg Canada. People's accents and clothes.
That is an awesome Bradford accent.
I feel this.My grandparents raised me on a farm.I found out his people across the pond were from this part of the world.White blond hair and colorblind.Very good at maths.I spent years trying to modify my accent so I wouldn't sound dumb.
I love this show.
WE ARE FORCING KIDS INTO PREDETERMINED CAREER PATHS! SO LETS FORCE SOME KIDS INTO PREDETERMINED CAREER PATHS!
I read it as more of a rotation.
@@marcvesper yeah and the kid lost his hand in that rotation...
@@stonem0013 The kid that lost his hand was forced into the job because he had some past experience working with heavy machinery. The chief doesn't want people to be forced and stuck into career paths so he proposes a rotation so everyone can gain experience in different types of jobs and chose one down the line.
The only thing that bugged me about this episode, is that it happened way to late in the show. This is a dilemma that would likely have arisen way earlier, considering the difference in living conditions on the ships. Not to mention how there probably would be some voluenteers aswell, as I imagine quite alot of people just did nothing all day while being on the ships.
Baltar for me was the most interesting character because of his flaws. And because he was often right and wrong at the same time. Basically embodies the human condition.
fucking hell this is one of the best scenes in the whole fucking show
...he's the best character in the series - and reinventing yourself is as hard as he tells it...
Best TV show ever!
Funnily enough, while it would be hard for a 10 year old to unlearn his native dialect, it'd actually be easier than if he tried to do it when he was an adult. The hardest part is that he had to self-teach himself.
Considering a lot of the series about Baltar having to suffer the consequences of his many mistakes, this makes sense
Best Actor!
There really needs to be a full break down of this character.
"No more Mister Nice Gaius.!!"
That was pretty badass
Baltar making more and more sense these days.
Blathar was very flawed but I found him to be by far the most interesting character.
Lottery decision was actually pretty terrible on Roslin's part.
Among a litany of things.
I think it demonstrates her lack of full understanding of the inherent classism. She doesn't fix the problem, in a sense she adds to it, drafting manual workers from across the fleet. You've gotta wonder how many lawyers, accountants, secretaries, etc, remained in the fleet without much of a job. Roslin fixes her error by the end of the episode.
If i had a week i still couldn't list all of roslin terrible ideas
So they have printers onboard !
😂😂😂
and papers !
😂
Haha he reminds me of Doctor Bashir from ds9
Tyrol made more issues typically
The 'Fleet' is a microcosm of our own country and world as it was for their own.
Basically like a Northern Englander who learned how to speak with a posh London accent.
As someone with a background in the media, it's quite common in this industry.
@@SomeBritishDud1 I know. Ian McKellen had to lose his northern accent when he studied at the Royal Shakespearean Academy.
That last line is hitting a little too close to home as of late…
as i watched this i had the same thoughts.
3:41 accents amazing
fracking great scene
Irish Alucard. I love James Callis so much
That moment you realize your city is basically Aerilon minus the accent.................Shit i gotta get out of there.
Yeah that's how I sound,but my voice is about as high pitched as his in his posh upper class accent,east riding of yorkshire here it's mental how many different accents there is in UK
Fuckin Brilliance. Did James Callis win an award that made him a lot of money during this show?
Balter nuts in both series Wonderful
While fantastically acted, Gaius always came off as an incredible opportunist in this particular arc to me. He is a man that had all the privileges of the aristocracy for years, and it isn't until he's had them all irrevocably stripped away that he chooses to emerge as the leader of the class struggle by identifying as a member of the lower class.
I have a lot of difficulty believing any of this was for the sake of something beyond his own ego.
I always took it more so as Gaius beginning to accept who he is and choosing to no longer ignore the things that bothered him. Tragedy, personal failure, his personal disappointment, and hopelessness made him reflect on himself and the world around him. He finally started to see things as they really are. Such a large portion of the downfall of the human race was caused by willingly blissful blind ignorance. Gaius's main faults that caused majority of the problems he was involved in was his own ignorance, his arrogance, and his constant lying.
And he finally decided enough was enough, no more lies, no more arrogant pride, no more turning a blind eye to things.
So he began to forgo blind ignorance, accept reality and himself. Basically thinking, "We need to burn all of this down to the ground and rebuild it right, even myself. Even if it means outing myself for what I really am. Even if it means thrusting myself in between both sides to help stop the war, and even if it means everyone important is going to be against me as a result."
Its funny but ever single clip i watch I think exactly the same thing: "this is the best series ever on television"
Eh, it's grim up North, by heck. Even in space.
Love this series!
Sounds like he was channeling Sean Bean
Northern accents are Northern accents.
no, there's _plenty_ of variety in Northern accents.
Scouse , Geordie and Yorkshire; 3 very different accents off the top of my head but you hardly ever hear them on tv.
Sean is from Sheffield in Yorkshire, James is using a Bradford accent. Also Yorkshire and Northern but a bit different (they are only about 30 miles apart)
Also despite being from west London James Callis studied at the University of York.
i love it when i hear the welsh accent comes out
more English then Welsh
I like his Aerilon accent more than his fake one.
The subject matter of this scene is so fitting for what's going on right now with the middle class basically gone.
Baltar drinks only Yorkshire Tea..
James and Tricia made the show for me. Any episode where they were missing or minimized are less interesting. Tricia is 50 now, but still looks incredible.
You know, at the time of the fall, Tauron was one of the thriving colonies, but 58 years earlier (according to the prequel), Tauron was a poor colony. They became richer thanks to the unification of the 12 colonies?
Yeah I read somewhere that the richer colonies diverted funding and resources to the poorer worlds
@@zachhoward9099WEF. Never works out as planned.
ALL HAIL CHAIRMAN MAO TSE-TYROL!
Happy Thanksgiving 2019:as Port Neches burns.
Remember Adama successfully executed a coup at the start of the show when he didn’t want to follow the presidents orders and refused to take orders from the president when it was someone he didn’t like. I think the show didn’t highlight enough how big of a problem Adama was in that role for someone who only listened to orders from people he liked
One thing about this scene that jumps out at me that I don't see many folks commenting on is the question that Baltar asks Tyrol at the end of their convo: "Do you honestly believe that this fleet will ever be commanded by someone who's last name isn't "Adama"?"
I think this is a rather disingenuous of Baltar, but he should be smart enough to see that for himself (unless he's just saying it to stir the pot). Like, who tf else has the qualifications for that job? Lee is is the most qualified military leader they've got after his dad & the Col. Heck, Tyrol should have thought the same thing immediately considering that he knows all those same people on both a personal & professional level.
IDK, I just thought that is was a pretty weak argument that should be easy to swat down, but none of the characters ever do so.
I like to think that they aren't canonically talking english, but an alien language and it's all translated to english just to let us understand what are the stories.
I liked him as Tom from Bridget Jones movies!
This is the first time chief terrorism saw maid president as a human being
If ONLY James Callis played Dr Rush in Stargate Universe!
What? Robert Carlyle is a brilliant actor. If only everyone else wouldn't suck on that show.
Can you imagine James Callis WITH Robert Carlyle? Powerful cast.
SGU is SG1 that has been put placed near BSG, in the same way that Lager is water that has been placed near bread !
Robert Carlyle was Nicholas Rush just like he owned rumplestilskin/Mr. Gold in once upon a time! James callus is good but not for Rush!
Roslin had so many bad ideas lmao. I really ended up disliking her before the end. Mary McDonnell did a fantastic job as an in-over-her-head bureaucrat thrust into a leadership role.