MCC Cowdrey Lecture 2011 - Favourite Players | The Spirit of Cricket
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- Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024
- The 2011 Cowdrey Lecture Panel discuss their cricketing heroes and Sangakkara describes Rahul Dravid's admiration for Brian Lara.
The annual Cowdrey Lecture allows the cricketing community to discuss and build upon some of the most widely documented topics surrounding the game. The presence of such iconic and renowned figures to the game conducting the lecture helps to educate those just entering the game and help the sport as a whole grow from within.
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Dravid knows what he's talking about!
All of them are erudite people. Rahul Dravid greatness as a player is not accepted with the same spontaneity as that of Sachin and Lara. It's good that Lara mentions about Dravid which Sangakkara brought about in the conversation.
He was a far superior batsman than Jayasuriya and Zaheer Abbas. But I respect Holding as a fair critic and analyst of the game
Many more times silence plays more vital role than the shout! Like wise Rahul Dravid always will be a silent warrior! My only gentleman legend of the gentleman's game!
Kumar Sangakkara too
Greatest Batsman for Sri Lanka have ever produced...I'll would like to pay to watch him batting everywhere anytime
I think majority of players ( ex and contemporary ) who have seen/ played with Lara rate him as the best they have seen in his times ... He was miles ahead in terms of brilliance, finesse and ability !!!
Lara's wicket meant them game for his whole career, not just the 90s and he didn't have legends like Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag and Ganguly to bat with.
Lara had Hooper,who is also a legend in his own right
Lara had Hooper, Chanderpaul, Gayle, Sarwan and a brilliant bowling attack....india in mid 90s to late 90s didnt have good bowling and our batting was totally dependent on Sachin....Sachin out TV switched off
all myth and bullshit. Lara had tail enders who put effort to win. How do u think West Indies chased 418 against Mcgrath, Warne, lee, Gillispie, Stuart Macgill? What was Lara's contribution in that game? got out stupidly to Macgill. Sarvan and Chandrapaul made centuries.
@@kundankanan9074 that is one match u idiot. Lara destroyed his career by doing other stuffs. Otherwise it would have not been an argument. But yes Sachin was more consistent. But Again Lara is Lara.
@@kelumjjs keep your personal assault with yourself. Lara did more? Ok lets see, the 153 knock, considered the greatest knock. What exactly happened? Lara peed in the pants in the first innings, after Australia posted huge total 490, first innings (Steve Waugh 199, Ponting 100) and useless Lara didn't do much, West Indies 6-98. Sherwin Cambell scored a century to take West Indies total to 329 out of a lost match. Then Walsh took 5 wickets to dismiss Australia for 146. So a team which scored near 500, was dismissed for 146. Sherwin camel again scored 33 runs in second innings and saw off the new ball along with other opener. Lara scored a century, but was well supported by 3 batsman who crossed 30 as well as Ambrose who batted for 90 minutes. Sachin during 136 took India close to victory and was only dismissed when only 16 runs remained with 4 wickets in hands. He also dismissed Yusuf Yohanna and Inzemam, also dismissed Yousuf in first innings and had much bigger match contribution overall. Pitch was difficul to bat, given that no-team scored 300 even once. remaining batsman couldn't bat for 20 minutes. Take Ponting's 156, Warne batted 99 minutes, Lee 40 minuetes and McGrath for 17 minutes after Ponting was dismissed to make it a draw. Both 153, 156, both innings are supported by tai lenders. Sachin was never that lucky. 136 is easily better than 153 of Lara.(against better attack, better all round performance), on a more difficult pitch.
Days will gone by and all those records 200 tests,51 tons everything will remain in the record book but Prince will be remained in our heart....
Sir Ian Bothams words: thats the way he played , he took the game to the opposition and provided huge entertainment..
Rahul dravid is one of the best player
& best possible politician cum cricketer ever produced in India. Someone declaring the innings when his own team's batsman is on 194 is disgraceful. He also played ample role with greg Chappel to destroy Gangully's legacy and career. I know you may disagree but sadly its truth
@@90s_sarcastickid95 you are as funny as your username man. Great comedy
@@90s_sarcastickid95 lol...get lost
@@90s_sarcastickid95 declaring on 194 is not wrong... Only 12-13 overs left on that day... It was Important to play Pakistan... Team is important not players individual records...
And second...
Ganguly was thrown out of team because of his rift with Greg Chappell.... Dravid had nothing to do with this(he was captain although but Ganguly ego back fired him) ....
Ganguly never took dravid name... He always said that it was Greg Chappell....
Dravid was the guy who couldn't fight with anyone... Not even for the Ganguly... He is true gentleman..
@@90s_sarcastickid95
Most selfless player,he always put team first, he batted at every position for the team, not just sticking to one position
For me, Sangakkara, Lara n Sachin are the tree kings of Cricket. They all are equally the fastest men to reach 10000 test runs. They all have played in all conditions around the world and have excelled in all kinda wickets whether they were fast,bouncy,fat or slow. In addition, They've all faced the greatest bowlers ever to play the game of Cricket such as Akram, Walsh, Murali, Warne,McGrath and so on.But Sanga tops this group coz he's excelled not only as a batsman but also as a Wicket keeper.
Sangakkara running against weak attacks in his last time not against Wasim Akram, Glenn McGrath, Walsh etc.
Don't insult those bowlers.
Till 1999 outside the subcontinent, Sachin averaged 49.81 in 53 inns while Lara averaged 55.68 in 97 inns. This includes the dip in form Lara had between 1996 - 1999 barring the Aus series.
You will never get bored , whenever there would be discussion on Brian and sachin batting style. Even the coming generation will be in awe whenever they watch their batting. Lucky to have seen batting at same .
B Lara is the guy ,,, untouchable N unmatchable in the history of world cricket.
There are two pairs in the history of world cricket perhaps would never exist in the future cricket in a single era. Sachin / Lara and Murali / Warne. The era was gifted to see these 4 greatest ever players to keep pushing the limits in their own disciplines. Both pairs had such amazing stats plus amazing moments they created in games that unbiased viewers found it difficult to differentiate. somehow Warne and Sachin had more media, branding, and hype created for them cos of where they came from. I'd love to see more such pairs popping up in cricketing world!!
u forgot wasim akram and glenn mcgrath
True to the word. Beautifully written....
Nd also Murali has more wickets but everyone knows Warne was better.
Sachin has more runs but everyone knows BC Lara is better.
@@Raj0520 everyone knows?
@@mellowmonsoon278 everyone here means majority of cricket pundits or ex cricketers.
flairness and flamboyance, Brian Lara deserves these words.You always want to watch him play, unbelievable player.
class is class and that is sir Brian Lara king of cricket.Ohh how i wish he was still playing.
Best ever I think ,holding highest test ,first class, leading test runs (held for a short time),most runs in a test over
"He was most taken in by Tendulkar's technique, compactness and his shot production and had asked his wife to have a look at the Indian as he felt that Tendulkar played like he had. Jessie agreed that they appeared similar. - BRADMAN
If you start something with double inverted commas, make sure you close your sentence with them too..
Example - "He was...bla bla..appeared similar" - BRADMAN
thnxx for the tip, i knew it, but forgot to put em thr.
I am sure Indian fans would not rate Lara over Sachin...
sha fitness I rate lara over sachin bruv only smart people will understand because In simple word lara played for his country sachin played for himself second lara was more attacking till to end of his Career and spinners he used to hit them out of grounds and most important he was the one of thebest batsman who played incredible murali like a time part time bowler whereas sachin only played best when other countries bowlers were injured or either taking rest see his record against world class bowlers and then compare him with Lara I know sachin got fans but Lara got fans plus respect from all world class batsman and bowlers for eg ponting,mc Garth,Anderson,akram, murali,sanga,jayawardene,pollock,kallis,Donald,lee,saqlAin ,Shane bond,warne,dravid,saurav,yuvraj etc etc almost every cricketer loves Lara cuz of his unique flair ,high backlift and flamboyant af Lara is a pure batsman who got every shots in his booms whereas sachin was famous but most only in India and one thing to note Lara retired 6 years earlier from sachin only real god knows not sachin 😉 what damage he would have done more to bowlers 6 years is a lot where in 6 years cricketers like virat kohli became king kohli (2014-2020)
@@shafitness9637 Myth of Lara's 153. Another West Indian batsman made better contribution in that match. Sachin's all around contribution superior during his 136 knock than Lara's 153. Details " lets see, the 153 knock, considered the greatest knock. What exactly happened? Lara peed in the pants in the first innings, after Australia posted huge total 490, first innings (Steve Waugh 199, Ponting 100) and Lara didn't do much, West Indies 6-98. Sherwin Cambell scored a century to take West Indies total to 329 out of a lost match. Then Walsh took 5 wickets to dismiss Australia for 146. So a team which scored near 500, was dismissed for 146. Sherwin camel again scored 33 runs in second innings and saw off the new ball along with other opener. Lara scored a century, but was well supported by 3 batsman who crossed 30 as well as Ambrose who batted for 90 minutes. Sachin during 136 took India close to victory and was only dismissed when only 16 runs remained with 4 wickets in hands. He also dismissed Yusuf Yohanna and Inzemam, also dismissed Yousuf in first innings and had much bigger match contribution overall. Pitch was difficul to bat, given that no-team scored 300 even once. remaining batsman couldn't bat for 20 minutes. Take Ponting's 156, Warne batted 99 minutes, Lee 40 minuetes and McGrath for 17 minutes after Ponting was dismissed to make it a draw. Both 153, 156, both innings are supported by tai lenders. Sachin was never that lucky. 136 is easily better than 153 of Lara.(against better attack, better all round performance), on a more difficult pitch.
No one should compare any batsman we were privileged enough to watch both of them and we should enjoy that only....
uncomfortable chairs!
lol
Lara and Tendulcar are in a class by themselves...why dont we just appreciate that they both are thr greatest batsmen of their generation. Lara had more flare and was more attractive but Tendulcar was more compact and consistent...that does not make one better than the other. They are almost inseparable in my mind. Hail Lara AND Sachin!
Exactly for me Sachin and Lara are two batting legends world have seen . Sachin and Lara are my fav player and for me it is impossible to pic who is the best
Ponting in his prime was miles better than both Tendulkar and Lara in their primes.
I will take it that you did not actually witness Lara or Tendulkar at their primes. Different Class!
@@NitishR14 lol. The numbers speak for themselves. Sachin no.1 always
Sachin was equally entertaining like lara till 2002..after which he had multiple injuries which changed his game forever :(
No way Sachin was an entainer like Lara. Sachin was a complete text book player... Real cricket fans would pay money to watch Lara bat
A stupid comment like that could only come from a stupid India who never seen Lara bat..
@@trinigoose9775 a stupid comment like you . Have seen both watch and play a lot and the match and the team conditions . Agree to disagree
Sachin is a Mathematician but Lara is an Artist.
Know lara, know cricket.
yes
Dravid is the technician.
I am an Indian and if the comparison is between Lara and Sachin then it's Lara all hands down. Lara has played blinders... Lara is special gifted true massacre bowlers..
Lara is legend
Lara was the legend
Lara had more flare , more style for sure. But anyone who knows anything about cricket knows that sachin is the best, most complete batsman. Most consistent. I don't see anyone worth comparing with sachin tbh
Lara was at his 100% for 4-5 years, in which he smashed thousands of runs!
But d beauty of Sachin is that he was at 90% for 20+ years! N that is his hallmark as a champion!
The longevity of Sachin is legendary! All those modern fitness freaks, read Kohli, Stokes don't last for more than 15 years!
Sachin was a permanent fixture in Indian team for 24 goddamn years! For context, that is 3-4 years b4 Kohli made his debut, n Kohli will surely retire 2-3 years b4 him!
@@tiger3091 doesn't matter if the player lasts for 200 hundred years or 2000 years .. longevity doesn't count for being the greatest .. the kind of impact someone has over the gane is remarkable.. see I like Sachin, don't get me wrong but it is what it is . Lara happens once in a century .. one if the greatest players
No doubt it is always pleased to watch GOAT 🐐 Brian lara batting at the crease. ❤️😊
One thing about Kumara, I admire his class and elegance as a batsman and
he is definitely one of the top 10 of his era, but there is a also an
inferiority complex about him when it comes to India. I have no problem with his opinion on Lara being slightly better than Sachin (Lara certainly dominated Test bowling attacks and particularly spinners more often than Sachin,but I felt he had problems facing express fast bowling on non-flat wickets. Sachin to me was the slightly better of the two against pace bowling).
But Kumara has always had an edgier side to him which comes across in the way he spoke when India were the No. 1 side in the world and also the Sehwag 99* incident when he asked his bowler to bowl a no-ball when India needed a run to win and Sehwag was batting on 99, he didn't want to give Sehwag the chance to
get his 100. Very petty of him. Not one of his good days I guess.
vishyvikranth u r spot on...srilanka as a team is bad in sledging said by Michael Vaughan...also excessive appeals...play against spirit of the game...I really respect Marvan atapattu as a captain and a gentlemen of the game...
india never fear with sangarkara..we fear when mathews and dhilshan and jayasuriya batting
You forgot world cup final 2011 toss.
Sanga is a jealous man
Lara also had shockers when playing Australia both in Australia and at home (apart from decisions, Waugh catch - Healy stumping, ...). The reason I produced those stats is because one other poster was pulling down Lara, Tendulkar's numbers are so impressive due to his excellent performances in the extended subcontinent. I never claimed he ONLY produced in sub-C but his ODI stats do allude to it. Outside, Lara and Tendulkar have similar numbers with Lara ahead (imho).
Guys I will listen this more than anything else
LARA = Most talented batsman of all time hands down.
He never took the game seriously and never played up to his true potential consistently and yet almost any cricket pundit or contemporary player would LARA over anyone. I wish it was early 90's again and I could have the chance to watch a magician for 18 years once again!
buddy, you may definitely want to relook at test bowling average of pacers like mcgrath,lee,steyn in india..they wrech havoc even here :)
not to mention that it's a heaven for spinners..and almost unplayable sometimes on 5th day pitches unlike abroad tests.
Superb conversation.... As much as I love watching SRT, I respect BCL.
Did Sangakkara really have to mention that incident and take Dravid's name? I think he meant to say that Lara is better than Sachin..
Well... I don't know how Jayasuria comes in list of Tendulkar and Lara... Sanga needs a mental checkup and yeah if Dravid found Lara to be the guy to bowl to.. It does not mean Sachin can't tame any bowler or any team... And yeah how much run did Lara scored in subcontinent to become the best player of spin?
@86elche Merry Christmas, Sachin's already gave us the biggest gift of how to play cricket, i cannot ask for more :)
@majesticmaniac Absolutely agree with your comment mate. Brian Lara on his day was the most exciting and dominating batsman of his era, its a pity he didn't get to handover the baton to an upcoming Caribbean talent, kinda like how Viv handed it to him.
If you look at an earlier article "Batsman analysis by bowler-pitch quality - part 2" which had more fine grained categorizations, Lara had 61.7% compared to Tendulkar's 45.6% in tougher conditions.
Mark Nicholas is a gem 💎.
One should never compare sachin and lara because both were great players in their own ways...:)
watching this video and the comments section clearly shows the focus is on lara was better than sachin..funny thing is sachin didn't need lara's name to prove he was the greates of all. time..jealously all around
But Lara is the best batsman in the modern era
Lara is not the best batsman in the modern era
Strauss sweating profusely!
Brian Lara is perhaps the greatest cricketer ever existed.In my opinion the thing which really makes him better as batsman than sachin is his ability change the complaction of the game on his own.His massive scores against some of the best teams tell the story.
When I say outside the subcontinent, I mean to imply conditions which allowed fast bowlers to be more effective than in the subcontinent. Most non-subc teams have that as their major weapon while bowling. Anyways please refer to cricinfo's articles on rating batsmen by pitch conditions and bowler quality, there is a more rigorous attempt at classifying batsmen from *all* eras.
@Mohit Kumar Saini -> The 2003-04 pitches were not flat. Those were good test wickets. India should have won the series 3-1 if not for rain in the brisbane test and steve waugh in fourth. Dravid and Laxman were the stars in that series.
Outside the subcontinent in ODIs against the Test playing nations (excluding Bd and Zim) Lara averages 39.89 (*13* 100s in 178 inns), Tendulkar averages 37.30 (*6* 100s in 146 inns)!!!
Sachin has 12 centuries in 146 innings thst you have mentioned.
Again if we remove lara's home runs,
Sachin - (50-INN 2400-RUNS 52.17-AVG 9-100s)
Lara - (43-INN 2153-RUNS 51.26-AVG 6-100s)
almost similar stats...
Your premise was that tendulkar's average receives a big boost which then i showed that sachin and lara have same averages in tougher group and sachin has more or less similar average in easier group as well...i was showing that sachin fared well in both the conditions..
So...Rahul dravid says...Brian Lara is his favorite player...Wtf
The best two voices are among these we have ever heard.... can you guess?
Holding and mark nicholas
Well said great Rahul Dravid - Lara is the best, far better than Sachin. Sangakkara is in the class of greats like Steve Waugh & Rahul Dravid.
Sachin didnt even play in that tsunami match at the G. So I dont know how much of that from Sangakkara is true. I mean this is a guy who was unsportsmanlike in the WC final during the toss.
P.S: I have no problem with Lara being somebodies favorite. I just question the authenticity of this 'anecdote'.
You nailed it. Sanga is going overboard.. Nothing like that actually happened.
ok tell me hows Lara gonna b in an Asia XI team
he is talking about asian eleven vs world .. lara played for world 11 saching for asian
Maybe its another charity match... Point to take here is Dravid thinks Lara is better than Sachin...!
Sachin had played in sunami match .before talking, improve your knowledge man
there is a difference...it says "percentage of his career runs"...by that the article says david gower scored 99% of his runs in tougher conditions does that mean he is the best?the number of innings do matter when you are saying the percenatege of his career runs..also,as i have pointed out both have similar stats in tougher group category...
Please do not claim I'm hiding something by arbitrarily changing the context. Your claim was Lara feasted in easier conditions. The article shows Lara scored 74.7% of his career runs in tougher conditions where as Tendulkar scored 48.8%. What stats, relevant to this context, did I hide, what difference does it make how many inns one played? Does playing more inns mean, you will have higher % in easier conditions? Also, please refer to the other articles which shows greater disparity.
A surge in average post 2000s doesn't necessarily equate to easier conditions. That article from cricinfo easily proves that! It takes pitch conditions and bowler quality into account. The ICC player ratings which does the same thing (takes various criteria into account while rating players so scoring runs in easier conditions is not unfairly rewarded) also shows the same thing.
I just checked the stats in detail, for Lara and Tendulkar in cricinfo. Sachin scored hundreds when Allan Donald was at his fastest both in 1992 and in 1996. Lara had a miserable series in 1998 when Allan Donald and company exposed Lara and the whole WI team brutally. But, Lara had a great series in 2003-04, though Allan Donald was missing in this series.
Recently in 2011, when Steyn and Morkel were at their best in SA, Sachin was able to score two hundreds against them in their own backyard.
it is not just about records mate... we 1 bn Indians never gave credit to Lara, always tried to make him look inferior to Sachin but the fact is that Lara is everyone's favourite...
Lol. 100 doesn't mean every thing both lara and Sachin has played 20 inning in test against Donald and lara scored 681 @ 34 averaged with 6 fifties, while Sachin scored 651 @ 32 average with 2 hundreds. Lara was more consistent between 2 against Donald. He want to play fire with fire against Donald and due to this he lost his wicket many times. Just watch those 50 and some odi innings how counter donald. other hand Sachin was trying to be safe and just accumulate the it was Azaruddin who played well against him and scored 3 100
@@sikanderhamid3085 Come up with facts before you spawn rubbish. Now, let me give you a bigger LOL. Ok, hundreds may not mean everything but it is a landmark which shows consistency of a batsman.
Your stats are incorrect and I will show for you now in detail. As I said, I am counting runs scored in South Africa.
So, below are the records of them in South Africa when Allan Donald played against them. Sachin has better average, more number of centuries (2) to Lara's 0.
Sachin played 12 innings against South Africa when Allan Donald played against him, once in 1991/92 series and another in 1996/97 series and scored 443 runs in 12 innings at an average of 36.91;
Lara played 10 innings against South Africa when Allan Donald played against him in the series of 1998/99 and scored 310 runs at an average of 31.
Now, learn to read and comprehend before making a fool of yourself. I clearly mentioned away series, so don't include home matches. Now, let me give you a BIG LOL.
Also, against Dale Steyn a better and accurate bowler than Allan Donald, Sachin scored two hundreds in South Africa in 2010, when Dale Steyn was rated as the world's best bowler.
Pakistan was so good 70s-90s
Holding said it right! Majid Khan and Zaheer Abbas.
Have a look at Kerry Packer World Series cricket where the worlds best were playing including so many Pakistanis !
Away averages for subcontinental batsmen is skewed as it includes matches against their other neighbors. Most non-subcontinental people will agree that conditions in the subcontinent are fairly similar. Check the averages I've posted outside the subcontinent in other comments.
If you look at the surge in his average post 2002 then you'd know what i mean...he did infact feast on easier conditions when it has become easier to bat on and all the average batsmen started to average in 50s since then...
By that i meant wasim-waqar and donald-pollock in tandem...which he never scored a hundred against...ofcourse i know he scored a 190+ when pollock was still around in 2002..
More specifically, Lara played great in his last series in Australia in 2005. Got a great double hundred in Adelaide. Also got given out to a shocking down-the-leg-side lbw off Brett Lee, and a five-bats-wouldn't-have-hit-it caught behind off Shane Warne.
My favorite is no doubt the West Indian batting god Brian C Lara, none compares really. Tendulkar was consistent but he didn't score at the rate and devastating fashion of Lara. His scores of 400, 375, 277, 226, 221 are just out of this world.
He broke the world record twice, TWICE. And his 400 not out will likely never be broken in our or the next generation's lifetime.
You forgot his best innings - 153*
tjrtt still sachin will remain the greatesr off all time
Saurav gupta thats debatable
tjrtt what about sachins 200 in odi and 49 odi centuries..compeletely rip off lara in odis
Saurav gupta Tendulkar played way more cricket than Lara. He started before Lara and ended after him. Tendulkar played particularly on the flat dusty, batsman friendly pitches in the subcontinent.
Some more stats...
Both McGrath-Gillespie (Aus' two best fast bowlers 90s-00s):
Tests - Lara: 47.35 (21), Tendulkar: 37.40 (10).
ODIs - Lara: 38.25 (5), Tendulkar: 56.00 (4).
Both McGrath and Warne (Aus' two best bowlers 90s-00s):
Tests - Lara: 53.38 (28). Tendulkar: 42.28 (14).
ODIs - Lara: 58.81 (13). Tendulkar: 50.40 (10).
Can you show the reference to these statistics - how you got batsman statistics on baller level - I haven't seen any of these numbers on any of the cricketing websites with the richest databases, so please share.
a big lol on ur face haters,,,complete false data, of the 6 tyms in his entire career mcgrath dismissd sachin ,,,on 2 occasions he was given out for a wrong decision ,,and on part of runs u mentiond ..lol sachin had the better of warne more than any one else...
Hey shamsi mulla...from where u get such numbers???how can u calculate???
@@jimmytommy7717 Check out espncricinfo statsguru and search to your hearts content.
Fantastically well put argument by AllOurWisdom, both Sachin & Lara surpass all superlatives. Lara was the more unpredicatable and potentially explosive batsman, Sachin the finest exponent of batsmanship the game will ever see. Maybe it's like comparing Shoaib Akhtar with Glenn McGrath?! Most punters would probably rather see Shoaib steaming in that McGrath landing it on a length six out of six! This is the reason Lara shades it for me - I love the unpredictable genius of his batsmanship.
Sanga never thought highly of Sachin... someone who has 100 hundreds
But not double centuries lot 😂😂😂
@coolpratheek not ridiculous. when players have the same averages/100's etc, then you check highest scores. Tendulkar's highest score is a 248, while Lara has massive scores of 374, 400 and a 250+ score. Lara has 12 double centuries which is MORE THAN DOUBLE what Tendulkar has. Tendulkar's away stats are also skewed by Bangladesh, which he has played so many matches against and averages 100+ against
it is not only the average BUT how you score the runs.
Sir,not just cricinfo there have been many all-time XIs done by many cricket legends,experts,commentators everyone have picked sachin but most of them have excluded lara...you heard them all and they have almost unanimously agreed sachin is the best modern day batsman...i'm not a lara hater while you may misunderstand me as one,i'm his fan as well but i think he comes a close second to sachin in modern day cricket..that's all i say
Great Rahul
A one-liner on this sachin-lara debate :
"The Prince was better in tests & The little master was better in ODIs"
prince was better at both odi and tests..much better than tendulkar...
Lara moved himself down the order for team balance and from then on didn't do a whole lot in ODIs but when he was batting up the order he was right up there with Sachin. I think he might have even been ahead in the ODI ratings/rankings in the 90s when he was opening/batting at 3.
and u know which form of cricket is real cricket?
51 hundreds in tests is this joke 😐 😳
Outside subc and both away, Tendulkar: 50.37 in 135 inns, Lara: 45.27 in 93 inns. This does not take the conditions or bowler quality into account. For e.g. no McGrath/Warne in all but one Aus tour for India. In the matches they played their next closest team mates: Dravid: *54.14* in 116 inns, Gayle: 42.07 in 28 inns, Laxman: 41.26 in 100 inns, Ganguly 40.11 in 76 inns, Chanderpaul: 36.92 in 62 inns. Lara was best for his team, while Dravid for India!
dear prateek, u r of a notion that tendulkar scored most of his runs in his teams score. but pls check ur records, lara scored 20 percent of his team score which is 3rd only to bradman(23) and headley(21). while tendulkar is far behind for the same.
yes,pretty comparable...and it's shame sachin didn't get to play as many as he would want due to the ties between pak and india and also india didn't play as many tests in 90s...but sachin scored some gems against those combos if you look at those innings...
Most subcontinent batsmen play more inns inside the subcontinent (almost like home) where visiting pace bowlers are mostly ineffective (can't reverse swing) and 'home' batsmen aren't troubled by spinners. Btw, if you exclude Zimbabwe and Bangladesh both Lara and Tendulkar have similar averages (52.53/52.61) and outside the subcontinent, Lara has *10K* runs at 51.69 while Tendulkar has *6K* runs at 50.90!!!
Some places were still easier to score than others. In the 2000s, the avg in Pak and Ind was 37+. Aus: 34+, Eng and WI: 33+, SA, SL and NZ: around 32. Some places were still harder to score than others!
No, the point you made was Lara feasted on easier conditions. He cannot have if 74% of his runs were scored in tougher conditions. Notice my claim being prefixed by the "If you feel Lara feasted on flat tracks". I made no argument of Lara being better only because he has a higher percent of runs in tougher conditions. Please do not attribute your incorrect interpretation of my comment as to "hiding" - which I am sure I am not. I have offered stats on all criteria you posed Lara was weaker in.
When brian is on wicket dont think about winning cuz raining starts but when sachin is on wicket ah just shield infront of wickets who does fail but lets call it just shield.
Are you claiming the restriction of performance against top 8 teams in 4 out of 5 continents cricket is played is a molehill? It is not, but why does it bring down Tendulkar's performance down to a molehill from a mountain? Surely, we should see only a reasonable decline or no change in performance (i.e. average/ # of 100s). Why doesn't it do the same for other players including Lara? Something to ponder over. I hope you see the fallacy in your argument.
In matches involving McGrath, Donald, Pollock, Wasim, Waqar:
Tests: Lara-88 inns @ *43.25* (8 100s). Tendulkar-63 Inns @ *35.44* (6 100s).
ODIs: Lara-96 inns @ *42.07* (9 100s). Tendulkar-100 inns @ *31.81* (6 100s).
So who is it that feasted when the top fast bowlers of the 90s weren't around?
Note: Lara didn't face Steyn in Tests, so he has not been included in the stats.
WI-SA, Ind-SA, WI-Pak, Ind-Pak were unfortunately not so common in the 90s and we missed out on some great competition between these great players. Tendulkar played 69 Tests in 90s, Lara played 65. He was kept out of the team by Viv Richards who favored Keith Arthurton more! One correction to your earlier comment, 4 players: Tendulkar, Lara, Gooch and S Waugh averaged 50+ in the 90s.
Are you here just for fun...? sachin has 6 tons in finals in ODIs..he was the main batsman of team even before dravid,vvs etc were slected in the team..they all are fan of sachin. Regarding presurre, first get the meaning of pressure right. Billions expected sachin to score tons every match. He was always our best batsman. Whenever we played better best teams,only sachin used to stand up..check dravid averages vs aus,SA....and the rest of d batsman too.....
Just to let them know Lara's son biggest idol is not lara but Sachin. Lara himself said to his son if u wanna learn batting he should learn it from sachin
You mean #Sachin's Son idol is #Sachin right ? go and check ! He's not
Please use cricinfo's statsguru and select outside asia, I think the stats you post are incorrect. I have already posted stats outside for top Test playing nations in another comment where Tendulkar comes up well short even in ODIs (Lara avgs 40+ 175 inns, Tendulkar: 37+ 146 inns). Even if you include the weaker nations: Lara 201 inns @ 41.35 - 14 100s. Tendulkar 171 Inns @ 40.76 - 11 100s. Notice the 3 point increase in Tendulkar's average when you include weaker teams.
@M4st3rm1nd How is this any disrespect? He has an opinion that he prefers Lara over Tendulkar. What's wrong with that?
Yep, Ponting had a feast, thats for sure.
Against Donald, Pollock, Wasim, Waqar:
Tests:
Lara: 44 Inns @ 39.09 - 2 100s
Tendulkar: 45 Inns @ 34.88 - 4 100s
ODIs:
Lara: 71 inns @ 39.95 - 7 100s.
Tendulkar: 77 inns @ 30.51 - 4 100s.
Lara still averages higher against those bowlers even when you exclude McGrath!
Even with fewer hundreds the average is still higher in Tests.
whats lara avg in SA INDIA AUS ENG????and what was sachin's in tests???go and chck the stats u dimwit
Where does it show a reasonable decline comparatively?lara averages 36 against teams outside sub-continent and sans his home advantage and sachin 37...i have already pointed that out...
Btw, unlike the subcontinent pitches in the Caribbean still allow fast bowlers to take wickets which is the main attack of most non-subcontinental teams!
Perhaps. But remember that Lara scored his two highest scores on flat tracks and the matches were drawn. Also remember that stats can be tweaked to show a different picture.
@@rafa.x6424 you should know england got follow on and in second inning they scored 422/5 in 140 overs span around 5 session. Do u think 5 session and 145 overs were not not enough for wi bowler to wrap up england inning. Most of the teams declares their inning on 4th day leaving one session to play and 3 session on final day with leads of 375-400 runs. Almost 80% team wins that game because it is difficult to play on final day. Do u think wi should have leave 2 complete days (6 session) it was pathetic bowling and fielding by wi that cost them the match.
After 20-25 years every one will say Brian lara is greatest batsman of all time. Earlier warne used to say Sachin is best but now his fav. Are both Sachin and lara. Ricky pointing, Donald, McGrath every one used to say Sachin but now all theses rates lara as best batsman of d generation. When dust settles, truth comes out. I won't surprise even bradman come out from grave and say lara is best batsman of all time
very nicely put and I have said so earlier myself we all have our favorites :)
the article you have showed itself says both lara and sachin have similar averages in both the groups...he has always been in the top group in all these analysis...
When we are talking about Lara and Sachin, we are talking about truly great players, it is irritating to see people demeaning one or the other just by pulling random stats. My exercise of showing of these stats was that, Lara is not immune to weakness against geniune pace, heck even the great Sir Don had a miserable series by his own high standards against a steaming Harold Larwood in the Bodyline series.
True words. We should not demean one to glorify the achievements of the other.
Guys... I wanna tell you one thing...
The most favourite player of Lara, Viv and Bradman is none other than Sachin.. asserted by them to the world.
Who are you to disagree??
You all legends? Sorry I personally disagree....
I am sure you are an Indian....
@@shafitness9637 i am sure u r mulla
Since, Lara's mastery over fast bowlers has been brought, I looked his stats in detail against Pakistan and he averaged around 31 against Pakistan in the 6 tests he played against them and that Pakistan team consisted of Wasim/Waqar/Saqlain etc.
Though Lara mustered plenty of runs subsequently against Pakistan in 2005-06, when he averaged against them in the 80s, but these teams were not lead by Shoaib Akhtar but bowlers who were handling the new ball were Naved-Ul-Hasan, Shabbir Ahmed etc
I understand what you're implying but home advantage is always something which any batsman can have regardless of the kind of pitch the country has...consider kallis,who averages in 50s at his home in SA but is abysmal in AUS which is kinda' similar to his home and also in ENG which favors fast bowling...
Allan Donald talks abt Sachin ,Lara ,Steve waugh in an interview in 2009 ,
I had been watching Sachin Tendulkar on and off before we (South Africa) were readmitted in 1991.
Everything about him is just so exceptional. He is wonderful technically and he has everything - class, speed, all the shots, and he is cool under pressure. Cricketers always talk about his amazing balance, even the Aussies. I've seen tapes of Sunil Gavaskar and if you split the screen between him and Tendulkar, they look virtually identical. I have never seen a man with such immaculate balance - it is freakish.
People go to a Test match just to watch Tendulkar. I, for one, would rather watch him than bowl against him. Actually, I'm glad I'll never have to bowl to him in a Test match again, though I've been quite successful against him. He is No. 1 in my book - the best player I have ever had the privilege of bowling to. There's Steve Waugh and there's Brian Lara, who was wonderful in 1995, but Tendulkar is a class above, consistently special.
The best knock I can remember him playing was at Newlands in 1997, when he was just unstoppable. We only got him thanks to a blinding catch by Adam Bacher off a hook shot, otherwise he would have gone on and on.
Under Hansie Cronje we studied hard for a Tendulkar weakness. We thought he might be vulnerable, especially early in his innings, to the ball that is bowled from wide of the crease, coming back in off a good length. He might then be bowled through the gate, or be lbw, especially on English wickets. We also tried peppering him with short balls - not many top-class batters like that - but it didn't really seem to bother him. The one thing that might rattle him is being restricted. He loves scoring, and scoring quickly, and if he is frustrated, sometimes he goes out and looks for the big shot.
I don't think he really gets rattled by sledging. Glenn McGrath tried it and Tendulkar just kept running at him and hitting him back over his head for four. I think that, like Steve Waugh, sledging just makes him more focused: I don't think it is a good idea to have a word.
Tendulkar is already a legend so I'm not sure how he'll be remembered - what comes after legend? . He's the best in the world, one of the most magnificent players there's ever been. He's also a nice guy, a soft-hearted bloke who gives 110% and just loves playing cricket.
and in tests it infact skews in favor of sachin since he averages in late 50s and late 40s against teams outside sub-continent at their home...
Check the recent article on batsmen consistency on cricinfo, you will be surprised with Tendulkar, Lara, Kallis and Dravid's numbers :)
no one is jealous of sachin..all the decisions are made by team management..
that's int. cricket..not gully cricket..
@lokimetalhead123 I heard no bashing of India in the video. I think you have this confused with another video.
Can anyone tell who is the guy in the middle (host)... Is he a cricketer?
I have presented lara's stats as well sans his home runs which were highly skewed for lara as well...and in each and every stat sachin was ahead...as i've said you can do as many filters,combinations as you wish,but that doesn't mean a thing when you look overall against all oppositions,all grounds,all conditions,all formats which sachin dominated with a daylight between him and the second...
Of all the modern day batsmen, Brian Lara is the greatest. That is not an insult to players like Tendulkar or Ponting, that's just fact.
Dude,why do you hide the real stats...lara averages 51.62 in 178 inn,whereas sachin averages 51.40 in 153 inn according to that article..similar stats...but sachin since he career spanned over 2 decades he played 311 inn as opposed to 232 inn of lara you bound to have played easy groups more as standards have gone down these days....