Myth Exposed... Primer Color DOES Matter!!! Here's the Proof...
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video I take 4 different hoods painted with 4 different colors of primer, and paint them all at the same time, with the same color/jar of paint...proving once and for all, that the color of your primer ABSOLUTELY affects the final color of your paint!!!
Thank you for this video! its 5 years old and still helping folks. After spending weeks paint matching a damage kitchen door in gloss grey, I finally found a match from Tikkurila. I then primed with light grey high built primer with LVLP gun, sanded and sprayed the gloss grey, thinned 10% with white spirits. The results were a much darker grey than that the paint chip I had matched was. I was stumped! tried polishing it out, buffing to try lighten it, nothing worked. I went back to the drawing board, sanded with 320, roughed up my beautiful gloss finish and primed with yellow car high build primer. The restuls were a much better paint match, the gloss grey from the same tin, thinned 10% again is now 99% the same as the paint chip. I tested with white primer on a spare MDF board, again the gloss grey is 99.9% the same. It is insane how the primer colour affects the base/top coat so much, even with a thick gloss paint which I would expect to hide the prime coat. I was told on another form to try purple tinted primer to get where I needed to be with the kitchen door paint matching but TBH yellow and white primer done it for me. Take note that mid grey primer with mid grey gloss base/top coat will turns the finish very dark.
The fact you are here Old man is such a great boost to the Hobby. You are a great resource to many of those internet Trolls who've built 3 models over 30 years and wanna argue with everyone on social media. Keep bustin them Myths and thanks!
Thank you for this demonstration. I am planning on repainting my Mustang and you were able clearly answer a question I had about Primer. This helps tremendously in my planning.
Thank you so much!
same! Hope it turned out well
Great video Don! as a custom car painter myself I didn't realize that there was an argument about that, kinda makes me laugh! Now go and make a video on the special effects that can be done with sealer tints! My old favorite was the checkered flag under colored metallic but that's old school.
SHORT. SWEET. STRAIGHT TO THE POINT..... Thanx for the proof along with explanations without unnecessary droning on!
Absolutely spot-on ol' man..
Anybody that says different has not painted! Excellent job!
That red metallic on white looks like a gloss red for me. Beautifully done!
Great way to show the difference. I do like that over the light gray
It most definitely makes a difference. I have a scalefinishes midnight blue that looks almost black over dark primers
Short and Sweet! That's what she said! Much appreciated 📌💯
Thanks! This totally explains what went wrong with my last paint job. Lol
Anyone like myself who used to paint real cars knows this. I just did a Fiat with white primer because it makes the semi opaque red really pop compared to grey or black primer. Nice job in explaining it
Question for you
I have a white truck and want to spot paint, should I ONLY use a white primer then?
Different colors cover differently. Red especially is known to need more coats over dark primers. You did the most coats of any over the white, which was already going to cover the easiest. Keep coating the darker ones and will reach the same color.
You can use the undercoat like this though for different tones by using less coats.
No, if you've ever painted a vehicle, if you use the wrong colour primer you will almost never reach the correct colour with the paint, you'd have to put so many coats of paint on that it'd become ridiculous not to mention absurdly expensive. You use the correct primer, often paints will require a basecoat too, some metallic require a silver base before the colour goes on, if you just don't do it you'll never get them to match as it's like mixing colours.
No.. You'd have to spray so many coats, the body lines would be gone from how thick the paint is, to get the same color over a black primer, compared to white..
After i read the title and description i was like Wow what a great job you did there, i ask myself this same question all the time "Do primer color affect final color " and guess what you make the explanation so clear and with clear proof. Thank you for sharing.
Great video Don. I have used yellow under red to really make the red pop also. Thanks Ron
certain colors really do make a difference, use bright orange under yellow to give yellow a deep look , grey under yellow to give it a solid mustard look and .. light blue to make it pop ..
thanks just what I needed to see I'm doing some blend paint work on 1994 corvette that is POLIO GREEN METALLIC/aka-med GREEN METALLIC....and I primed the blend areas and after I did it I thought o he'll I bet this will effect the color of the blend Lol o well I'll see how it looks I'll probably just repaint the whole car but I'm going to give this s shot doing hood and back bumper areas so if it don't turn out nice I'll start over prep&prime whole vette then do a bc/cc.paint job ....going to use a "turbine rig" Fiji mighty #2 ....
Thank you so much for this video!! I've been telling people!!
I've wondered about this for ages, and just now in my life realized I could try and youtube it. Man, what a great video, thanks!
Thanks man! I did a patch on my truck in dark green. But I used a light grey primer looks like a totally different color
I learned this years ago back in the eighties. When I was a kid building model cars my dad taught me when he was painting candy colors. By using a silver gold, copper or black as the base coat. Your candy color will have a different shade to it.
It's good that you showed this demonstration that to show other people in hopes that will understand how different shades of base coat will affect your final color
I chanced upon your channel and I like your no nonsense advice on techniques for building cars and other things. I was sold on you when I saw you talking about resin cast cars and the rip-offs there are out there who undermine good, honest craftspeople by offering crap knock offs. I never had a problem with speaking my mind and if someone has a problem with that, I just don't give a rat's bee-hind. Best wishes and good health, Don, from Virginia, Cork
Just that quick you answered a hundred questions. Thank you
I use to watch scale modeler but since I found this guy I’ve tossed the geriatrics aside with that guy and stuck with this man here. In 4 videos I learned more than watching some modelers entire channels. Nobody else explains about the resin casts or paints and effects you can get if you mix paints that don’t like each other.
AWESOME!!! No argument to be had, no Sir! Picture IS worth A Thousand words! Thanks A MILLION for the video!👍
Thank you for sharing your skills and information with us.
AMAZING results!!! Well, u put that argument to rest, so ifs, ands or buts about it....nicely done...
Man your technique and the results speak for themselves. Top flight all the time. I marvel at the volume of paint you throw so quickly. I’ve been doing it a long time, but if I tried your speed and volume.... it would be “fugly.” A tip-o-the-hat to you sir. This old goat appreciates the insights.
I have used this idea to some success on bodies where I wanted a two-tone scheme, same colour but different shades. Likewise, for interior/exterior. It works beautifully! Thanks for the illustration, Don.
Great point Don. Also. Many Trick paint jobs like Fades ots multi mask varied primers to achieve the effect. 70s mopars used Rust red brown primer followed by light gray then thin metallic coats use of wrong primers cause paint not to match chip chart
Wow that makes a huge difference! Good to know! Thanks.
This is what I was looking for. I plan on painting a sonic blue pearl with a grey sealer. Your samples give a clear look at what differences you'll get depending on the base. Thanks!
Perfect demonstration! I am just about to spray my motorbike a pearl metallic red. I never knew what a difference it would make. I think I am gonna go with the light grey. Thanks dude
Just beautiful and so helpful at the same time. Thanks!
Thanks for not removing this video yet… more lessons for the newbies! You really do the hobby justice Don. Thanks again.
Excellent demonstration.
Short & Sweet it maybe but it's rich in info and after all that's what is needed.
I like your no-nonsense plain talking and as far as I concerned I am now better equipped to do my task thanks to you👍👍👍
Oh, I'll stick around for some more treats🤣🤣
0:04 I knew it made a difference but damn that’s a big difference. Excellent video and your old school like me the doubters an talkers are always gonna spew negativity unfortunately it’s what they do. ✌️
Praying for you Donn...get well
Proof is in the puddin Old Man. Great video showing what you get with different base colors. Take care Donn
This was very helpful! I will be painting my car brown soon, and think that black will now be my base coat
great video don!! i just purchased one of your videos!! can't wait to see and apply!!
This is an amazing video! Thank you sir for the demos. Learned something new today.
Thanks! I don't paint cars but this does help with ideas I have when I do custom sneakers etc.
Yes primer makes a big difference in todays paint world because of the products we have to work with. Run into this myself just not long ago with a coke a cola red it was on a truck but it was a hole paint job so as to say had to do inside door and all two doors I used black primer and used a hole quart of paint so when I went back to the paint shop I ask what I should use and he said that it should have white under it well closest I had was a light gray and it made a big difference on the amount of paint that was used on the next two doors now this was the in side so no big deal, and it did make a difference in the color. So it you are not sure ask the place were you buy your paint what color primer you should use !
It doesn’t even sound right to say that the primer color doesn’t effect the tone of the same color over different shades. I feel this should be Common sense.
I agree but they like Flat Earther folks invade every medium ;)
Thanks for the very information demo on how paint changes. It was very well done vedio. Very professionally done. I liked seeing. How the color changes by what color of primer you use.
I'm going to be repainting my bike in a dark blue metallic. I got a light gray primer. But, I'm going to do a white base coat first before I paint the blue metallic. I can't wait to see how my moutian bike turns out .
Just amazed... learned something and sparked an idea or two.
Just as a matter of interest: you spent 27 secs over the black primer, 16 secs over the dark grey, 28 secs over the light grey and 47 secs over the white. I would like to know what the results would have been if you spent exactly the same time on each. I am in the process of finishing a 1970 Stingray in a lime green I mixed myself, and over a gloss black coat as primer. The dried fifth layer on the car is exactly the same colour as the paint in the mixing pot. I was expecting it to be darker, but it isn't.
Well Done Donn...... Excellent way to clear up the confusion for all of the "Doubters" out there..... Seeing is believing.....LOL Thanks for the Awesome videos....
Thanks for this! So if I wanna match the color on my car I better ask the manufacturer and see what primer they used?
The color of the primer only matters if you put on paint without full coverage.
To get an even finish you should put on enough coats to completely cover the primer.
Spray out cards are usually white with a black line to see when full coverage is acieved.
Put on a few more coats and you wont see any difference.
Look up tint in the dictionary then go talk to a professional Car painter about base coats and top coats. You can spray a hundred coats over that Black primer and it's not getting any brighter. Most all top coat paint is Transparent not Opaque and your base coat is used to tone the later top coat. Apparently you've never done this before, but it's basic painting 101.
That was very interesting you Old Geezer. Thank you that was a good tip . I was thinking of the same type of experiment to see what different shades I could get. I am using your method in Hot Wheels versus plastic models but I think I could come up with basic same results. Thank you again and keep all these great videos coming.
Ah you just wait. One day, and sooner than you think, you will be referred to as old. LMAO!
Thanks Don, i wasnt sure to use the white primer that i have or get a lt gray for a car body that will be blue. I think ill use the white that i have and invest in other colors. Just starting back into modeling .
Excellent demo! Thank you.
Great video! Very cool!
“Doubting Thomas” i will be using this.
I have painted model cars for over 50 years without using primer with my air brush. Resin kits need primer but not styrene. Primer builds up over the details and minimizes them. I've had sucess with all of them. I have over 400 cars from 1964 to 1976 issues. I have bought the newer kits and still not using primer. Dish detergent removes the mold release.
Thank you for a simple comparison helped me a lot i like my colers to jump at you so white primer for me on colers and black primer on my black paint.
I put 2 coats of white under my paint . Usually makes them a lot lighter
Much love to you God bless you old man !!!
Great video! So I have a dark navy blue pearl vehcile I’m getting ready to paint and re clear because it’s peeling and it looks like the gray or dark gray primer will be needed the original paint is about 20 years old
Thanks for the video am from Brantford Ontario Canada I what to start building model's.A will be 60 in june I did build airplane models about 35 years ago I didnt no about primers would change the difference in the paint so now when I start building cars soon I no what to do.thank you
Cool. I’m from Woodstock. Returned to the hobby after a about a 43 year hiatus.
Great stuff Donn. Especially, your comment to those who want to argue with seeing is believing, "good luck with that."
Job 38:2 "Who is this who darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?" A fool disregards instruction.
So what would you recommend as a base coat when you want to shoot an OD green? Your demonstration would suggest a light or dark grey. I have been agonizing over this for some time now and I am so glad I found your video that shows the differences.
OD green.
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This helped and answered my question
You Are The Damn Man Keep It Up Winder Ga
This is a man who takes no bullshit, respect
The primer affects the color especially if you have thinner coats of paint over it. The issue with the test you shown is that you put way more coats of paints on the white then any other. You went with a small amount of coats which would show the darker primer the most and then gradually put more coats on the other colors. If you put the same amount of coats on the black that tou did on the white they would probably end up way closer in look. At some point, the amount of paint you put on will completely cover the undercoat...
Facts
At 4:25 he explained why it takes more coats. I know your comment is 3 years old but it's still as misleading as if it was 3 days old.
@@DocR16he does say it but it’s still misleading as it would have the same effect with other primers unless the specifically white one would have been different from the other primers (glossy white or stuff). He says it will gather up on you but you can see that he shoots 3-4x the amount from the previous colored primers… so not sure why you would disagree but that’s on you.
That makes absolutely sense, because a brighter base coat reflects a different spectrum of light.
Thanks for taken the time and proof this effect.... thumps up Don
Well i now know white primer will make the bright green pop on my car im about to paint lol. Thanks a million sir. Wisdom is age and experience beats youth and no experience every time.👍
I always laugh when I here people doubting master model builders like your self, great video thank you for the video
I agree! I’ve seen that on other channels, people doubting the master builder… Irritating to say the least
Great video perfect visual thanks answered my questions does primer color mader YES
Thank you!
Great tutorial Sir Don ! thank you ! now i can prove some a holes wrong as well haha !
thanks mate that was super helpful
Thank you so much! happy I found your video!
Thanks for video " ol man " very good snd easy to understand..
Great demo old man.
I don't get it. No matter how much you spray on, the primer still has an effect on the tone of the paint. Why
Thanks, ol' man!
Does the amount of paint matter? Because you sprayed the black primed hood for only 26 second, and almost doubled that with the white primered hood (48 seconds). Seems like twice the paint could make a significant difference.
The amount of paint always matters . By the time you added the coats of paint to match one primer base to another , quite possibly , the paint would be far too thick .......
Thanks Donn!
the best out there keep up the great work don
Lol yea I knew that decades ago. That's why real cars are painted with different color primer. It absolutely matters. Always has lol
Excelente demostración, felicidades, gran apoyo para muchos.
Hey Don, I have a question for you. I’m painting a metallic orange lacquer Tamia. Should I use a medium gray or a black primer?
Thank you for sharing!
Perfect explanation
This was such a great video. Thank you.
He man great video now the proof is in the puddy thanks for your time brother
I don't think anybody could explain it better
Thank you .... the modeling community can always depend on you to get the facts right
Perfect! Thanks for the video.
thanks for the demonstration
i don't know if primer colors matters but you sure proved mic placement and room dampening matter
Thank you for such a great video.
Wow! Great video.
You the man!!!
Great video. I have a question about using primer and not using primer. What's the difference between the two?
Hi mate thank you, your video shed me some light I need to fix my vauxhall insignia front bumper it's technical grey paint number z177 what colour primer would or should I use I've previously had a paint shop spray it before and it's slightly darker then the rest of my car and a bit of paint has flacked off and what I can see is white under the paint so I'm guessing they used a white primer am I right in saying go with a light grey primer ?
Second watch, today. Slow learner. Loved the demo.
Thank you very much sir for the valuable information 🙂