@@robertnelson9599 All of the Chaos Gods reflect some aspect of the Hive Fleets. Violence is their method of engagement with the world, so Khorne. Parasitic corruption is their method of subterfuge, so Nurgle. Adaptation and change is their method of survival, so Tzeentch. And who knows, maybe they like eating stuff, so Slaanesh.
@@MSte21 It doesn't have the motivational emotions attached to those actions that actually correspond to the chaos gods, however. The Hive Mind isn't malicious, angry, depressed, hopeful, greedy, or indulgent - - - its just hungry, and its going to do whatever it needs to do to sate that hunger. If anything, the most terrifying reality is that with the genestealer cults convincing non-infected people to worship the Hive Mind in different formats, it is going to start consolidating into its own actual godhood as something along the lines of a chaos god of hunger and absolute unity.
@@Dontreallycare5 Maybe in a way it is. The hive mind could be the evolutionary result of psykic tyranids developing before their invasion of the galaxy. Maybe instead of a chaos god in the traditional sense, it takes on more of a frankenstein-esk manifestation in the warp.
When even the tyranids start to chant "Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne, milk for the Khorne flakes!" You know reality is well and truly screwed
I believe the reason Kronos came to be is perhaps because the Tyranids see warp entities as competition like two rival predators battling for possession over their prey which is mostly humanity
Kronos is like an immune response Chaos infection ruins biomass, Tyranids can't eat it, so Chaos is a threat to the meal, so Kronos was created to kill Chaos and protect the meal from getting tainted
Imagine chaos deamons saying “ha Tryranids only want organic life they can’t eat us!” And then a small tryranid bugs behind eating the immaterial causing the entirety of chaos to shriek in horror
If hive fleet chronos are evolving and adapting to fight the entities of the warp, then isn't it possible that at some point hive fleet chronos will actually invade the eye of terror and start consuming the worlds within?
I don't think Kronos actually consumes tainted worlds all that much. They mostly just recapture the biomass they expend in the invasion and what can be safely consumed once the world is cut off from its corruption source - - - most of the biomass they acquire to expand and continue their adaptation is actually left behind by tendrils of Leviathan. Leviathan fleet has been documented invading world just off Kronos' course, crushing any resistance, and leaving the partially digested planet for Kronos to come and consume without expending its own resources. Kronos is more like an immune response than a feeding adaptation.
@@Dontreallycare5 it would be interesting to see if they evolve the ability to consume warpstuff though. To the point they no longer see it ass corruption, or useless, and feed on it like they feed on biomass. Essentially becoming an ethereal hive fleet
@@Robb1977 Well, they don't see it as useless. It is a medium that the Hive Mind itself occupies after all and they do use it as ammunition basically - but the tyranids see the warp as a corrupting force when it interacts with their flesh because it creates uncontrolled mutations which undermines their whole strategy of being able to adapt and evolve to meet specific needs or environments.
What's a rather strange thought is that Kronos' Shadow in the Warp is so powerful it can actually close warp rifts, and it seems inevitable it's going to start nomming on the Great Rift eventually. Given Kronos seems more interested in eating Chaos cultists than non-tainted humans, it's possible it could close the Great Rift. The Imperium could be saved by.. the Tyranids.
They are perpetuating the species because they have an biological imperative to do so, there are no emotions involved in their actions. It would be equal to bunnies being Slaneeshian because they like to copulate.
@@glandhound It would be hasty to state that the Hive Mind does not have emotions. It is like trying to draw conclusions from the neural activities in the very tips of an octopus' tentacles. Though it is probable that emotions as we understand them are not posessed by the Hive Mind. It is at least the size of a galaxy after all.
I mean, all pleasurable acts give Slaanesh power, so bunnies kind of are low-key slaaneshi. But if the Great Maw was in 40k, why are there not any 'native' cults and only the extragalactic Tyranids?
@@bjorntheviking6039 I dont know if the bunny actually experiences pleasure from breeding most animals dont Dolphins on the other hand they are slaaneshi sluts. Google it
Imagine how the Tyranids will use the adaptation to not only survive in Chaos, but because they tend to use whatever they adapted to to suit their needs, travel via Chaos and open up rifts all across the galaxy. I can see them using chaos to invade many worlds via creating Daemon Splinter Fleets, and since Chaos Warp Storms block both communication and travel even worse than the Shadow in the Warp, this would be very bad for everyone in the Galaxy provided they adapt to consuming the stuff of the Warp and consume everything there first. Imagine this: A Splinter fleet that effectively becomes it's own Tendril via in the Warp. This fleet consists of all of Chaotic gifts used as adaptations to their species. They have: the power of Khorne, the psykic power of Tzeetch, enhanced bio weapons thanks to Nurgle, and an enhanced hunger thanks to Slaaneesh. Top that off with using Daemon stuffs to their own advantage and an unknown amount of time increasing their numbers in the Warp, and you have a fleet possibly as big as the galaxy itself. Now imagine such a fleet using Warp Rifts to invade planets all across the Galaxy. No one can call for backup because of both the Warp Rift blocking re enforcements, and the Shadow in the Warp preventing communication and Psyker abilites. Not even the Deathwatch or Grey Knights could stand up against the combined unholy fusion of Chaos and Tyranid. The Galaxy would fall to the Tyranids and then they'd use the Warp to quickly hop Galaxies, leading to an end of the universe scenario.
You're basically describing Hivefleet Ouroboros back in 4th edition (encountered in M36). Attacked near the Eye of Terror, they literally just thought they were being attacked by daemons.
I wonder what would happen if all the Tendrils entered in the Eye of the Terror. Would it close of before even the full tendrils could enter? Would they all enter and never bother anything again? But could they come back even stronger and pissed off?
@@glandhound What if they were tricked to going in the warp? Somone puts up a giant 'free buffet' sign pointing to the warp? Jest sure, but what would happen if somehow you got a Hive Fleet into the warp?
I feel like they would a power like a minor chaos deity, with the shadow in the warp overpowering everything within a certain range, thats just a maybe tho.
They’d probably be corrupted outright, the powers of Chaos are far more powerful than the hive mind, if the tyranids entered into the true warp either just the tendrils would be corrupted or the hive mind would.
@ Starslasher100 yes but no if all the hive ships entered in the worp chaos will die since demons cannot survive if you're tô kill them in the worp but if only one hive ship went in it would be like hive fleet ouroboris that became corrupted by chaos but gained super powers so a fair ending losing half of them but gained super power
Shadow in the Warp is a psychic phenomenon which disrupts the Warp itself, and tyranids even created a specialized hive fleet to combat the Chaos expanse. There's a really cool moment when Imperial Fleet battling chaos warships witnessed Tyranid Hive ships ramming right into chaos armada, ignoring imperial vessels. They fired the last volley and retreated, leaving their enemies at the mercy of the Great Devourer.
Despite I don't favor the tyranids as one my "favorite" factions in the warhammer 40k universe I do love the fact that the tyranids created a "specialize hive fleet" to fight and destroy chaos. So the hive fleet Kronos is definitely one of my favorite specialize hive fleet and I wish to see more content where hive fleet Kronos became even more stronger and dominant as choas is spreading. Personally I view hive fleet of Kronos as perfect way 👌 way to keep the chaos faction in check.
Well, that was a situation where a powerful psyker was kept sedated for months on a ship with an at best faulty gellar field. Not sure if it can be generalized
In order for chaos to corrupt a being it needs to have an aspect of their personality to hook into in order to seduce you. Khorne appeals to warriors who want greater fighting capabilities. Slaanesh is preferred amongst artists and hedonists seeking pleasure. Tzeentch goes after politicians and schemers trying to change things. And nurgle is for those who are seeking relief from the pain inflicted by disease . The only thing tyranids have is the need to consume other life.
@@MrHinchapelotas Its been left very vague as to what actually caused the men of iron to rebel. Some theorize that it is actually the exact opposite to what you suggest - their AI minds recognized and understood the dangers of the warp and sought to eliminate humanity in order to destroy any emerging warp entities. Its only logical to deal with such a massive problem at its source after all.
@@Dontreallycare5 there is at least one occurrence of chaos corrupted men of iron in a novel of Gaunt's Ghost. The only evidence of their corruption were their twisted shape and warp-f***y in their circuits. There were also clean men of iron that got "horrified" by the corruption of the fabric that created chaos tainted specimens. But this reference does not explain how did they get corrupted, if these corrupted ones were equivalent to corrupted biological humans, or if they were just soulless twisted machine like the machines maintained by the Dark Mechanicus and devoted to host a deamon. No clue has been given yet. I think that all theories does not exclude each other. The galaxy is too big for a homogeneous power, and lots of things interact each other, locally and globally. Maybe the Men of Iron did rebel against humans to avoid the Chaos scourge, with the twist that even Men of Iron were not spared from corruption. When they learned that terrible information, they would cleanse their rank, causing partially their collapse and thus preventing their overwhelming victory on Humanity. But at a very high cost for humans.
It's my understanding, that 'fhe taint of chaos' requires emotional investment, which the Tyranid lack as they function only on biological imperatives. They are perpetuating the species without any emotional investment, with pure instinct only. I suppose if the 'individuals' disconnected from the hive mind get scared when facing impossible odds, beyond fight or flight, there's a chance. This would also on some level work for Orks too, as they function largely on instinct, but they are also very much emotionally invested on their successes and failures... also as (Red) Chaos Orks are a thing, they certainly aren't immune to the ruinous powers. In WH40k, maybe all WH... by purely believing in something you change the belief into pure fact via the warp. Red is faster because the Ork believe it is etc... and if you believe in the 'supernatural', you are also vulnerable to it. Had the Imperial Truth remained a thing, chaos wouldn't be as strong as it is today.
i think thats the reason why genestealer cults can fall to chaos, they arent connected to the greater network of the hivemind and have more personal agency while being manipulated by the patriarch i believe they were mentioned as recently as 8th edition, so that is still a thing
if they go on with the Nids being that instinct driven devourers, yes. And I hope so. If they develop them further toward having an agenda, maybe a command structure, a common strategy, maybe individual leaders or a leader instead of synaps creatures, one big norn empress or something like that, them being tainted gets more likely. And them getting more streamlined and boring as well, like the Borg did when individuals started to appear among them.
I feel like the reason for some tyranids can be corrupted is mainly because the Hive Mind aren't too focus on Chaos itself before Cicadrix Maledictum. After it occurred, the Hive Mind now prioritize to stop the spread of Chaos and aware of their weakness of Shadow in Warp. So chances of tyranids succumb to Chaos will become lessen after the warp rift.
I agree. Considering Chaos basically cockblocked them from being able to finish the job of eating the Blood Angels and getting that tasty primarch genetic material out of Sangunius' coffin, I doubt the Hive Mind is willing to make that mistake twice of just avoiding the problem.
Perhaps this is one of the motivational reasons for the Hive Mind to continue pushing into the galaxy to reach Terra. Its not just responding like a mindless moth to a flame, but rather sees a solution to a problem it has encountered previously and lost a good deal of biomass dealing with it - - - being able to consume the Emperor and effectively purge any weaknesses to warp infection/corruption is its higher order goal with its current invasions being information gathering and amassing the necessary forces to lay siege to such a potent stronghold.
I think it makes sense for nurgle to try and get the tyranids on his side. They're super adaptable and quickly recovers from disease and poison to the point of near immunity. That seems like the perfect toy for nurgle to play with...
Way back in the mists of time, in the days of 40K 1st edition, also known as Rough Trader, before Tyranids even existed as an army in their own right, you had Genestealer Cult armies, and these cults had the option to ally themselves with chaos. This was intended to represent a situation where the cult had perhaps been discovered while it was still growing and not yet strong enough to seize power or was in danger from a rival gang or cult and needed help or something. Whatever the reason, the Patriarch would turn to the powers of chaos in order to strengthen the brood and willingly enter a pact to gain power. The Patriarch would even go so far as to willingly sacrifice itself to possession by a demon of whichever power they ally with (This being Rough Trader, while you could chose which power, you had to roll a dice randomly decide the demon, so if you chose Nurgle, you could have your Patriarch possessed by a Great Unclean one! Or.... a bunch of Nurglings!) You can find online downloadable PDFs of the book Warhammer 40k Compilation from 1991 which has the army list in, obviously not compatible with current rules, but has Beastmen, Mutants and Rouge Psykers alongside Brood Brothers, Hybrids and Purestrain Stealers! Or not so pure, as they could could have Chaos Attributes! if you take these Chaos Attributes as being from the Dominant Attributes table from the book Realm of Chaos Slaves to Darkness from 1988, these 'Stealers could become truly horrific! The table includes such things as stinging scorpion tails, the ability to regenerate wounds, spit acid with a range of 5" or even wings! it's worth noting that these are randomly generated from a table (Rogue Trader loved tables to generate gear and such!) so you could equally gain tiny heads, brightly patterned skin, reduced to only one eye, or have watched too much Monty Python and have a very silly walk! Yes, I am deadly serious with all those. From another table in the same book, (a D1000 table I would like to add! yes 1-1000!) a champion could get things like Eyes on Stalks, Uncontrollable Flatulence, Mane of Hair, or have get Limb Transference and so have their eyes on their knees or their head in their groin! Or alternatively, become 4 times their normal size, have a flaming skull for a face, have acid blood or perhaps have an arm replaced by a lascannon!! Don't believe me? Go check out the book, again there's free PDFs available, it is absolutely insane!
Why do i just constantly imagine the Imperial winning over everyone, then a final hive fleet appears, holding the physical body of the hive mind. Then a fight truly horrific occurs as humanity desperately attempts an exterminatus on it, only for a massive shield of flesh and bone to be blocking it.
I remember chaos genestealer cults being referenced as far back as the White Dwarf Compliation for 40K back in the Rogue Trader days. Glad to see they’re still a thing, they were a fun twist on an already insidious foe.
As an avid chaos player/fan, I love that there are factions like the Tyrannids, and the Necrons, who are such the 'anti-chaos', it forces the chaos gods to know some humility. I guess they're mad that they know the galaxy will just come down to Nids and C'tan slugging it out in the end, with everyone one else disintegrated or eaten.
I’d like to point out that while some fleets are developing to be able to fight chaos the lore has stated that tyrannies can’t enter the warp as they get absorbed by the raw warp energies. And it even sent khornes right hand bloodthrister into such a rage that he slaughtered several solar systems worth of imperial population
I seem to remember in one timeline or another in a codex or rulebook a hive ship got dragged into a warpstorm and sucked into the warp. When it finally re appeared the hive fleets immediately destroyed it and left the biomass to rot in space rather than absorb it and risk becoming tainted.
So, here’s a question that occurred to me that’s slightly off topic. Is it possible the Great Rift becomes so large and so much warp energy enters I to the material universe that the resulting turbulence would destroy the material universe? And wouldn’t that then destroy all life? And wouldn’t the loss of all life then in turn destroy all the gods and other entities of the warp?
Does the warp exert a gravitational force and if so, what would be a critical mass to either pull the material universe into the rift or, alternate, the rift collapse in on itself?
Unknown but the warp alters the nature of reality affecting sentient beings and physics. The question is, could chaos be so successful that they destroy the material universe?
@@Blipvertus I always kinda wondered if that was 40k's version of the big bang. A reset of the great game played by the chaos gods, so to speak. Destroy all life and then reboot the galaxy, go for another round.
@@captainmurphy4948 possibly. I remember the ending of the Elric of Melnibone series with the chaos gods being completely unchallenged by order and being wiped out and consumed by their own chaos.
@@Blipvertus Basically just describing what happened at the end of Warhammer Fantasy, except Sigmar cheated at the end and created a new universe to continue fighting . . . . and that's how we got Age of Sigmar. But yeah, its possible that the Warp either links multiple realities together and the gods would just turn their attention to another world, or they will end up "dying out" for a time and then a new set of Old Ones will emerge once the warp and material universe settle down and separate thus kicking off the cycle all over again.
I think the real question is if the Tyrnaids fell to choas, would they be stronger or weaker? Half the strength of the Tyranids is their unification of purpose, perfected gene coded bodies and so on. I don't think chaos would add anything but weakness to the Tryanid lines.
In "The All Guardsman Party", a psycher demonhost was exorcised (by volume of firepower) and their escaping demon possessed the nearest psycher of any power - that was a zoanthrope who was captured for research purposes.
while Tyranids can be effected by Nurgle disease, it has been recorded that they can adapt to it quickly given time, plus while i cant truly say for Genestealer cults, pure Tyranid organisms dont have souls, which is key to corruption, making it almost impossible for them to fall. we must also need to keep in mind that what we are seeing is but vanguard fleets of the true swarm.
Cain is immortal, official standing orders from The Departmento Munitorum state that Cain is to be considered alive and on active duty at all times, regardless of any other considerations. This accounts for Cain still being listed as being on active duty, even after being buried with full military honors, owing to the sheer number of times he has been reported killed in action, only to show up alive again and all the time this means being spent correcting the Adminstratum's records (In itself likely an ongoing process that would continue for decades if not centuries after Cain's death). Besides, I'm convinced that Cain actually IS still alive after his burial, since any time death tries to claim him, Cain would just kick Death Itself in the junk and run away
i always thought it would be cool if a tyranid separated from the hive mind and retained its own individuality and sentience, then opted to join the imperium by psychically communicating with the emperor and creating its own unique hive fleet to covertly aid humanity.....such a filthy heretic i am.
Watching the DOW 2 Chaos Rising Game movie, I realized something: What about Tyranids stuck on space hulks? Those spend extended preriods of time in the warp. Plenty of time to get corrupted, both body and mind. How does the Hivemind react to those?
I suspect that certain bioforms, without the protection of the Shadow in the Warp, are susceptible to at least Chaotic influence. With this said it is a very intriguing question which could lead to one even more intriguing: assuming the power of Chaos grows in the material universe will the Hive Mind priorities dealing with it? Because the Shadow in the Warp is a wonderful weapon against Warp based foes and could lead to something very weird like a Hive fleet temporarily allying itself with the Imperium against the common foe. Now that would be scary as hell for the poor Guardsmen
Granted it is a fanfic and very non-canon.... there was a session in the 1d4Chan story "Adventures of the all Guardsman Party" [a re-telling of an Inquisitor campaign starring the remains of a Guard regiment inducted into the Inquisition for being the last platoon standing after an Ork Waaagh is stopped] that featured what the party called the "Daemonothrope". The group is tasked with capturing a zoanthrope, alive, for study. They manage to critically injure it [including accidentally welding a boarding shield to its face with its own warp lightning] and get it into a stasis pod. During the trip back, the gellar fields on their ship start to fail and a Tzeentch daemon of some flavor manages to possess the thrope while it is injured, sedated and cut off from the Hive Mind. Shenanigans ensue including warp-ghosts of gaunts and stealers swarming the ship. Neckbeardia did a vid on it: ruclips.net/video/fl35pbzSplA/видео.html
Would be interesting if they expanded on the Doom of Malantai, The super zoanthrope that eats souls. Seems like he could actually destroy a demon for good.
Can the eldar fall to chaos ? Can the orks fall to chaos ? Can the irks be tamed since childhood ? Can the sisters of battle fall to chaos ?? Please tell us
I mean they don't even have self awareness or free will so probably not. Though I imagine they can be corrupted maybe like how inanimate objects are deformed by the warp.
That's more that he reflects the forms of the Leyhr, the snake like xenos that worshiped Slaanesh and from whom he got the Leyhr Blade, this Daemonic sword that he was corrupted by
@@ashclaw2306 Implying that these creatures were mentally advanced enough to conceive of complex concepts such as hedonism and cult worship. The Leyhr were an advanced civilization, with cities, temples, a culture of religious worship and the use of technology. If the Leyhr were somehow connected to the Tyrannids, they would be SO divergent from them, as to make them an entirely separate race on every level.
@@weldonwin we are relativly sure that the arachnids on Murder have been Nids are we? Sentient, civilization buliding, language...Nids can achieve a lot even when separated from the hive mind. But I rather see a genestealer cult going the leyhr road. They infiltrate a species for decades maybe hundreds of years, expand their cult until they grew big enough to ring the dinner bell for the hive fleet. What if the fleet never comes? Maybe they never get the signal due to warp storms or else or are too far away from that advance team. So the cult goes on and on until everybody on the planet is a genestaeler devout to the cult and the cult evolves beyond its origin as well for their four armed saviours strangely never appeared and after many millennia you get something new. Maybe this is even more likely in a galaxy where ...forces...sense your faith whatever it may be ...and like to answer you call.
@@phreakazoith2237 What? I have never heard the theory that the arachnids on Murder were Tyranids before. I mean, they were arachnids, having eight limbs, not the typical and characteristic six limbs of the tyranids.
I was once in a really good Dark Heresy game, where a planet was about to be invaded by Tyranids but a Nurgle cult were planning to contaminate the planet so that it would spread to the Tyranids and spread the taint of Nurgle wherever the fleet went.
What would happen if several hive fleets. (Biggest of the biggest let’s say) got near enough to the eye of terror to cast the shadow in the warp fully over it ? Would the eye recede? Would it briefly give those warp stricken worlds respite from the corruption of the warp ?
Don't blanks already mess with the hive minds synapse? If they ever consumed a blank, I don't think that making bugs with it would be productive use of biomass.
Yeah, the pariah gene is kind of antithetical to any kind of Hive Mind. Strengthening the Shadow in the Warp is definitely the Hive Mind's version of blackstone pylons . . . . which is where the real issue lies in my mind! If the Tyranids become aware of the value of blackstone and understand how to polarize it and incorporate it into chitin, they might be able to magnify the Shadow in the Warp to the point that it starts to manifest as actual physical protection for individual organisms.
actually the tyrannids falling partially to chaos may be a way to drive the overall story forward a few millennia withouit having them wipe out the entire galaxy
the story is already moving... if you havent noticed we already are in the 42nd millennium! theres already enough content for there to not be a reason to fast forward whole millennia also, anything other than a few vanguard organisms and genestealer cults falling to chaos is probably impossible thanks to the protection of the hive mind and the lack of higher intelligence from most tyranid lifeforms
I'd say that, as Nurgle's inventions demostrated, they can be affected by the powers of chaos if this powers are joined with physical changes that damage or sever the minds of the Tyrannids as much as their physical forms, definitively disconnecting them from the Hive Mind or simply controlling them like Nurgle's demons control zombies, or a human can lobotomize an animal.
Interesting to this: I forget which novel it was, but one of the early Ragnar Blackmane novels had him and his squad in a space hulk, clearing out Nurgle infected genestealers. So, technically yes, Tyranids can be corrupted. Although this does bear note that Genestealers are one of the few Tyranids capable of acting independent of the Hive Mind(as long as the Mind allows), so it might be that Tyranids can only be corrupted as long as the Shadow of the Hive Mind isn't a factor.
Yes, the events of Ragnar's Claw are mentioned within this video. (Although it was a number of different bioform strains, not just genestealers, as "hive warriors" and smaller creatures with organic projectile weaponry are also mentioned, which are allusions to Tyranid Warriors and Termagants)
Why would the chaos gods even *want* to corrupt Tyranids anyway? I imagine it's possible to physically alter them, but to corrupt even a tendril to their will would require the amount of effort not really characteristic of the chaos gods. And to what end? Tyranids don't really have souls in the way they're usually thought of. (For that matter, I'm not entirely sure Orks have souls, either, hence why you similarly don't see Chaos Orks as a big deal.) And even if the Tyranids did have souls, it'd be like switching from meat lover's pizza to rice chex. I don't think even Tzeentch would find any value in that. I imagine trying to corrupt the Hive Mind would be akin to trying to hold a conversation with white noise: you wouldn't affect it either way, and you'd look like a dork for even trying, which brings up the factor of the Great Game. Any chaos god stupid enough to waste time on the Tyranids would lose out in the follower-gathering contest to its peers who choose to corrupt the virtually infinite and highly malleable humans.
Considering a few genestealer cults model themselves to look like a religious cult, could their leader (while still mostly human) fall to chaos and then lead his flock down the path of the ruinous powers?
Interestingly enough the Brood Mind can also be used to defend against chaos. In the Novel Ghost Warrior the Eldar of Zaisurtha willing submitted to genestealer infestation since they lacked the protection of soul stones. The novel also showed us a Patriarch of Khaine, in which the genestealer patriarch fused with the avatar of Khaine. (He made a video talking about The Patriarch of Khaine btw)
Indeed, but as shown with the Chaos Genestealer cults, such protection, while perhaps better than being without a soul stone entirely (due to the souls of the Aeldari being "tugged at" by Slaanesh constantly when without a soul stone, as shown whenever Drukhari enter real space), is not infallible, as it doesn't offer total immunity to Chaotic influence like the Hive Mind supposedly does.
@@40KTheories It should also be noted that the Zaisurtha Eldar where also in the Webway, which unless I'm mistaken would also help protect them from chaos. The protection of the Broodmind is indeed not infallible. While its not chaos corruption, the Eldar Gods are warp entities and in that book the Genestealer Patriarch was turned into aforementioned Patriarch of Khaine and the Ynnari used the Brood Mind against them by summoning the Yncarne in it (or something around those lines) to eat their souls. So perhaps its more of a double edged sword, providing protection against outside corruption, but if that protection is overcome then the entirety of the broodmind is compromised. Love your videos btw, keep up the good work.
You're welcome. Also, if I recall correctly the Craftworld had been dragged into warp space during a warp storm, as opposed to the Webway, though it has been a while since I've read the book lol.
This brings a question. Would a disconnected Tyranid lifeform that somehow gained some sort of sapience, be susceptible to the T'au's mind-control shenanigans? Thanks for the great video.
I had an argument with someone about whether or not it made sense to have a loyalist death guard successor chapter (or indeed any other traitor Legion) Hear me out on this. In the book Flight of the Eisenstein Captain Garro of the Death Guard escapes the Istvaan massacre, travels to Terra and helps found the Inquisition. Space Marine Geneseed can be harvested twice per decade so over the course of Ten Thousand Years a single Space Marine could easily father an entire chapter. Not even counting the fact that, the growth would be logarithmic.
If Tyranids gain traits of those that they consume, what would happen if they consumed psychic blanks? Would the hive fleet slowly lose its connection to the hive mind?
They only gain the traits the Norn Queens select out of the genetic stock they harvest from any given battle. They aren't like the Kroot who gain their new traits passively through organs they don't consciously control.
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Slaanesh to the Hive Mind:
_Now hear me out, I'm just spitballing here, but what if reproduction... felt good?_
I think Nurgle would be the most likely to corrupt the Hive Mind, seeing as he creates diseases.
@@robertnelson9599 All of the Chaos Gods reflect some aspect of the Hive Fleets. Violence is their method of engagement with the world, so Khorne. Parasitic corruption is their method of subterfuge, so Nurgle. Adaptation and change is their method of survival, so Tzeentch. And who knows, maybe they like eating stuff, so Slaanesh.
Hive Mind to Slaanesh: I'm going to eat you now.
@@MSte21 It doesn't have the motivational emotions attached to those actions that actually correspond to the chaos gods, however. The Hive Mind isn't malicious, angry, depressed, hopeful, greedy, or indulgent - - - its just hungry, and its going to do whatever it needs to do to sate that hunger. If anything, the most terrifying reality is that with the genestealer cults convincing non-infected people to worship the Hive Mind in different formats, it is going to start consolidating into its own actual godhood as something along the lines of a chaos god of hunger and absolute unity.
@@Dontreallycare5 Maybe in a way it is. The hive mind could be the evolutionary result of psykic tyranids developing before their invasion of the galaxy. Maybe instead of a chaos god in the traditional sense, it takes on more of a frankenstein-esk manifestation in the warp.
"Can the tyranids fall to chaos" look, they're already scary enough.
Imagine a fucking Swarmlord Daemon Prince. Maybe even the Big E pre-Toilet break would struggle against it
@@bryanmanuel4945 Imagine a Slanesh corrupted swarmlord get ready for the Tentai monster. Rip IG . y'all thought Emperor's children were bad
In the Grimdark future of the 41st Millennium, nothing is scary enough already.
Not on the tabletop :P
What is chaos turned them good in the ultimate "well that's chaotic".
When even the tyranids start to chant
"Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne, milk for the Khorne flakes!"
You know reality is well and truly screwed
How have i never heard "Milk for the Khorne flakes!" Before?? Its so beautiful
@@paladinleeroy7394 it comes from lathland
“Milk for the Khorne flakes” LOL
*nids marching to your local neighborhood*
"MILK. MILK. MILK. MILK. MILK. MILK."
The real terror was the Tyranids we met along the way.
Well.... yes
I mean.... It's not UNTRUE
He’s... actually not wrong
Yes
now can someone get me an apothacary and a eclesiarch got stabbed by one and i can here a scratching hunger in my head
I believe the reason Kronos came to be is perhaps because the Tyranids see warp entities as competition like two rival predators battling for possession over their prey which is mostly humanity
Kronos is like an immune response
Chaos infection ruins biomass, Tyranids can't eat it, so Chaos is a threat to the meal, so Kronos was created to kill Chaos and protect the meal from getting tainted
when dealing with chaos, the answer is always yesn't
Unless something is completly cut of from the warp and thus the wider immaterium
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No the answer is perhaps
Hummmm somehow i round the chaotically correct answer is why not?
@@J0hnHenrySNEEDen your one damn clever yeti.
As [Guardsman] Twitch would say,
“I TOLD YOU THERE ARE DAEMONIDS!”
Once more proving that anything is possible if you fail hard enough.
Lies! Twitch would say that they are orks in disguise
@@Mrkabrat they aren't?
Ah yes, *DAEMON BUGS.* as if regular daemons and Tyranids aren't scary enough
What there war chant be
Nom Num Neom or Nūm Om Nun?
@Orsim The Pariah Yeah but I think the war chant Nûma Nūm Nom Ñum would actually mean where screwed
@Orsim The Pariah Learn romanian you dog! I feel disgusted!
Why do people call them bugs? I've always seen them as panzersaurs.
@Orsim The Pariah kis you freaking kiddy silly dog
Imagine chaos deamons saying “ha Tryranids only want organic life they can’t eat us!” And then a small tryranid bugs behind eating the immaterial causing the entirety of chaos to shriek in horror
Doom of Malant'ai has entered the chat.
If hive fleet chronos are evolving and adapting to fight the entities of the warp, then isn't it possible that at some point hive fleet chronos will actually invade the eye of terror and start consuming the worlds within?
I don't think Kronos actually consumes tainted worlds all that much. They mostly just recapture the biomass they expend in the invasion and what can be safely consumed once the world is cut off from its corruption source - - - most of the biomass they acquire to expand and continue their adaptation is actually left behind by tendrils of Leviathan. Leviathan fleet has been documented invading world just off Kronos' course, crushing any resistance, and leaving the partially digested planet for Kronos to come and consume without expending its own resources.
Kronos is more like an immune response than a feeding adaptation.
@@Dontreallycare5 Great reply, the video didn't make the relationship between Leviathan and Kronos very clear.
@@Dontreallycare5 it would be interesting to see if they evolve the ability to consume warpstuff though. To the point they no longer see it ass corruption, or useless, and feed on it like they feed on biomass. Essentially becoming an ethereal hive fleet
@@Robb1977 Well, they don't see it as useless. It is a medium that the Hive Mind itself occupies after all and they do use it as ammunition basically - but the tyranids see the warp as a corrupting force when it interacts with their flesh because it creates uncontrolled mutations which undermines their whole strategy of being able to adapt and evolve to meet specific needs or environments.
its possible, after all it is following the great rift to it
What's a rather strange thought is that Kronos' Shadow in the Warp is so powerful it can actually close warp rifts, and it seems inevitable it's going to start nomming on the Great Rift eventually. Given Kronos seems more interested in eating Chaos cultists than non-tainted humans, it's possible it could close the Great Rift. The Imperium could be saved by.. the Tyranids.
Maybe they already have. Maybe the Tyranid Hive Mind is the 40K equivalent of The Great Maw, a Chaos God of hunger.
They are perpetuating the species because they have an biological imperative to do so, there are no emotions involved in their actions. It would be equal to bunnies being Slaneeshian because they like to copulate.
@@glandhound It would be hasty to state that the Hive Mind does not have emotions. It is like trying to draw conclusions from the neural activities in the very tips of an octopus' tentacles. Though it is probable that emotions as we understand them are not posessed by the Hive Mind. It is at least the size of a galaxy after all.
I mean, all pleasurable acts give Slaanesh power, so bunnies kind of are low-key slaaneshi.
But if the Great Maw was in 40k, why are there not any 'native' cults and only the extragalactic Tyranids?
This was a cool discussion to read!
@@bjorntheviking6039 I dont know if the bunny actually experiences pleasure from breeding most animals dont
Dolphins on the other hand they are slaaneshi sluts. Google it
Imagine how the Tyranids will use the adaptation to not only survive in Chaos, but because they tend to use whatever they adapted to to suit their needs, travel via Chaos and open up rifts all across the galaxy. I can see them using chaos to invade many worlds via creating Daemon Splinter Fleets, and since Chaos Warp Storms block both communication and travel even worse than the Shadow in the Warp, this would be very bad for everyone in the Galaxy provided they adapt to consuming the stuff of the Warp and consume everything there first.
Imagine this:
A Splinter fleet that effectively becomes it's own Tendril via in the Warp. This fleet consists of all of Chaotic gifts used as adaptations to their species. They have: the power of Khorne, the psykic power of Tzeetch, enhanced bio weapons thanks to Nurgle, and an enhanced hunger thanks to Slaaneesh. Top that off with using Daemon stuffs to their own advantage and an unknown amount of time increasing their numbers in the Warp, and you have a fleet possibly as big as the galaxy itself.
Now imagine such a fleet using Warp Rifts to invade planets all across the Galaxy. No one can call for backup because of both the Warp Rift blocking re enforcements, and the Shadow in the Warp preventing communication and Psyker abilites. Not even the Deathwatch or Grey Knights could stand up against the combined unholy fusion of Chaos and Tyranid. The Galaxy would fall to the Tyranids and then they'd use the Warp to quickly hop Galaxies, leading to an end of the universe scenario.
*imagines*
*Craps pants*
Necrons: Slowly goes back under ground.
@@numnaut1314 Wouldn't they just build more and more Noctolith structures to cut off the Warp from their worlds, instead of going back underground?
@@Schnittertm1 Yes, yes they would.
You're basically describing Hivefleet Ouroboros back in 4th edition (encountered in M36). Attacked near the Eye of Terror, they literally just thought they were being attacked by daemons.
I wonder what would happen if all the Tendrils entered in the Eye of the Terror. Would it close of before even the full tendrils could enter? Would they all enter and never bother anything again? But could they come back even stronger and pissed off?
The tendrils seek out biomass of which doesn't exist in the warp. No point going anywhere they can't feed.
@@glandhound What if they were tricked to going in the warp? Somone puts up a giant 'free buffet' sign pointing to the warp? Jest sure, but what would happen if somehow you got a Hive Fleet into the warp?
I feel like they would a power like a minor chaos deity, with the shadow in the warp overpowering everything within a certain range, thats just a maybe tho.
They’d probably be corrupted outright, the powers of Chaos are far more powerful than the hive mind, if the tyranids entered into the true warp either just the tendrils would be corrupted or the hive mind would.
@ Starslasher100 yes but no if all the hive ships entered in the worp chaos will die since demons cannot survive if you're tô kill them in the worp but if only one hive ship went in it would be like hive fleet ouroboris that became corrupted by chaos but gained super powers so a fair ending losing half of them but gained super power
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Shadow in the Warp is a psychic phenomenon which disrupts the Warp itself, and tyranids even created a specialized hive fleet to combat the Chaos expanse. There's a really cool moment when Imperial Fleet battling chaos warships witnessed Tyranid Hive ships ramming right into chaos armada, ignoring imperial vessels. They fired the last volley and retreated, leaving their enemies at the mercy of the Great Devourer.
Remleiz: Can The Tyranids Ever Fall To Chaos?
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Next video: can chaos fall to chaos?
*Malal intensifies.*
The answer will shock you.
Yes
I mean, to other chaos maybe. Imagine a khorne traitor chapter falling to slaanesh or something. Shit'd be hilarious
Next video: Can chaos fall for Emperor
Despite I don't favor the tyranids as one my "favorite" factions in the warhammer 40k universe I do love the fact that the tyranids created a "specialize hive fleet" to fight and destroy chaos. So the hive fleet Kronos is definitely one of my favorite specialize hive fleet and I wish to see more content where hive fleet Kronos became even more stronger and dominant as choas is spreading. Personally I view hive fleet of Kronos as perfect way 👌 way to keep the chaos faction in check.
Can they be killed using a massive bug spray like the Emperor suggested it
@Orsim The Pariah The trouble is that harvesting the Plague Goop, also risks infection by it so it isn't really an option.
@Orsim The Pariah That sounds like a terrible cough you got there, hear, let me offer you some relief *(Readies Medical Flamer)*
They didn't find bug spray scp
I remember something like this from the all-guardsman party
Well, that was a situation where a powerful psyker was kept sedated for months on a ship with an at best faulty gellar field. Not sure if it can be generalized
@@unktheunk1428 also that storyline however entertaining was in no way canon
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@@Ra.vanZon I counter you with only that story is canon. =)
In order for chaos to corrupt a being it needs to have an aspect of their personality to hook into in order to seduce you. Khorne appeals to warriors who want greater fighting capabilities. Slaanesh is preferred amongst artists and hedonists seeking pleasure. Tzeentch goes after politicians and schemers trying to change things. And nurgle is for those who are seeking relief from the pain inflicted by disease . The only thing tyranids have is the need to consume other life.
Weren't the men of Iron corrupted by chaos tho?
@@MrHinchapelotas Its been left very vague as to what actually caused the men of iron to rebel. Some theorize that it is actually the exact opposite to what you suggest - their AI minds recognized and understood the dangers of the warp and sought to eliminate humanity in order to destroy any emerging warp entities. Its only logical to deal with such a massive problem at its source after all.
@@Dontreallycare5 there is at least one occurrence of chaos corrupted men of iron in a novel of Gaunt's Ghost. The only evidence of their corruption were their twisted shape and warp-f***y in their circuits. There were also clean men of iron that got "horrified" by the corruption of the fabric that created chaos tainted specimens.
But this reference does not explain how did they get corrupted, if these corrupted ones were equivalent to corrupted biological humans, or if they were just soulless twisted machine like the machines maintained by the Dark Mechanicus and devoted to host a deamon. No clue has been given yet.
I think that all theories does not exclude each other. The galaxy is too big for a homogeneous power, and lots of things interact each other, locally and globally. Maybe the Men of Iron did rebel against humans to avoid the Chaos scourge, with the twist that even Men of Iron were not spared from corruption. When they learned that terrible information, they would cleanse their rank, causing partially their collapse and thus preventing their overwhelming victory on Humanity. But at a very high cost for humans.
@@CorenusYT Aye, you raise very good points :)
@@Dontreallycare5 Thank you! ^^
You know Chaos is out of control when even the space ants are trying to stop it.
NOM FOR THE NOM GOD!
I always love listening to more theories!
Chaos marine : Chaos Jehovah's Witness ! :D
Tyranids : We dont want any .... NO WAIT ! come in side :) Join us for dinner .....
"May the Shadow in the Warp shelter us from the foul denizens of the warp"
"The Hive (Mind) Protects"
Me, who knows nothing about 40k lore except "Daddy issues leads to galaxy wide civil war": *Interesting*
And being bald is a sure fire sign of chaos... *taint*
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It's my understanding, that 'fhe taint of chaos' requires emotional investment, which the Tyranid lack as they function only on biological imperatives. They are perpetuating the species without any emotional investment, with pure instinct only. I suppose if the 'individuals' disconnected from the hive mind get scared when facing impossible odds, beyond fight or flight, there's a chance.
This would also on some level work for Orks too, as they function largely on instinct, but they are also very much emotionally invested on their successes and failures... also as (Red) Chaos Orks are a thing, they certainly aren't immune to the ruinous powers.
In WH40k, maybe all WH... by purely believing in something you change the belief into pure fact via the warp. Red is faster because the Ork believe it is etc... and if you believe in the 'supernatural', you are also vulnerable to it. Had the Imperial Truth remained a thing, chaos wouldn't be as strong as it is today.
i think thats the reason why genestealer cults can fall to chaos, they arent connected to the greater network of the hivemind and have more personal agency while being manipulated by the patriarch
i believe they were mentioned as recently as 8th edition, so that is still a thing
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if they go on with the Nids being that instinct driven devourers, yes. And I hope so. If they develop them further toward having an agenda, maybe a command structure, a common strategy, maybe individual leaders or a leader instead of synaps creatures, one big norn empress or something like that, them being tainted gets more likely. And them getting more streamlined and boring as well, like the Borg did when individuals started to appear among them.
I feel like the reason for some tyranids can be corrupted is mainly because the Hive Mind aren't too focus on Chaos itself before Cicadrix Maledictum. After it occurred, the Hive Mind now prioritize to stop the spread of Chaos and aware of their weakness of Shadow in Warp. So chances of tyranids succumb to Chaos will become lessen after the warp rift.
I agree. Considering Chaos basically cockblocked them from being able to finish the job of eating the Blood Angels and getting that tasty primarch genetic material out of Sangunius' coffin, I doubt the Hive Mind is willing to make that mistake twice of just avoiding the problem.
Perhaps this is one of the motivational reasons for the Hive Mind to continue pushing into the galaxy to reach Terra. Its not just responding like a mindless moth to a flame, but rather sees a solution to a problem it has encountered previously and lost a good deal of biomass dealing with it - - - being able to consume the Emperor and effectively purge any weaknesses to warp infection/corruption is its higher order goal with its current invasions being information gathering and amassing the necessary forces to lay siege to such a potent stronghold.
I think it makes sense for nurgle to try and get the tyranids on his side. They're super adaptable and quickly recovers from disease and poison to the point of near immunity. That seems like the perfect toy for nurgle to play with...
Way back in the mists of time, in the days of 40K 1st edition, also known as Rough Trader, before Tyranids even existed as an army in their own right, you had Genestealer Cult armies, and these cults had the option to ally themselves with chaos. This was intended to represent a situation where the cult had perhaps been discovered while it was still growing and not yet strong enough to seize power or was in danger from a rival gang or cult and needed help or something.
Whatever the reason, the Patriarch would turn to the powers of chaos in order to strengthen the brood and willingly enter a pact to gain power. The Patriarch would even go so far as to willingly sacrifice itself to possession by a demon of whichever power they ally with
(This being Rough Trader, while you could chose which power, you had to roll a dice randomly decide the demon, so if you chose Nurgle, you could have your Patriarch possessed by a Great Unclean one! Or.... a bunch of Nurglings!)
You can find online downloadable PDFs of the book Warhammer 40k Compilation from 1991 which has the army list in, obviously not compatible with current rules, but has Beastmen, Mutants and Rouge Psykers alongside Brood Brothers, Hybrids and Purestrain Stealers! Or not so pure, as they could could have Chaos Attributes!
if you take these Chaos Attributes as being from the Dominant Attributes table from the book Realm of Chaos Slaves to Darkness from 1988, these 'Stealers could become truly horrific! The table includes such things as stinging scorpion tails, the ability to regenerate wounds, spit acid with a range of 5" or even wings! it's worth noting that these are randomly generated from a table (Rogue Trader loved tables to generate gear and such!) so you could equally gain tiny heads, brightly patterned skin, reduced to only one eye, or have watched too much Monty Python and have a very silly walk!
Yes, I am deadly serious with all those. From another table in the same book, (a D1000 table I would like to add! yes 1-1000!) a champion could get things like Eyes on Stalks, Uncontrollable Flatulence, Mane of Hair, or have get Limb Transference and so have their eyes on their knees or their head in their groin!
Or alternatively, become 4 times their normal size, have a flaming skull for a face, have acid blood or perhaps have an arm replaced by a lascannon!!
Don't believe me? Go check out the book, again there's free PDFs available, it is absolutely insane!
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Why do i just constantly imagine the Imperial winning over everyone, then a final hive fleet appears, holding the physical body of the hive mind. Then a fight truly horrific occurs as humanity desperately attempts an exterminatus on it, only for a massive shield of flesh and bone to be blocking it.
I remember chaos genestealer cults being referenced as far back as the White Dwarf Compliation for 40K back in the Rogue Trader days. Glad to see they’re still a thing, they were a fun twist on an already insidious foe.
Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for the late night upload
No problem!
As an avid chaos player/fan, I love that there are factions like the Tyrannids, and the Necrons, who are such the 'anti-chaos', it forces the chaos gods to know some humility. I guess they're mad that they know the galaxy will just come down to Nids and C'tan slugging it out in the end, with everyone one else disintegrated or eaten.
Plus orks
I’d like to point out that while some fleets are developing to be able to fight chaos the lore has stated that tyrannies can’t enter the warp as they get absorbed by the raw warp energies. And it even sent khornes right hand bloodthrister into such a rage that he slaughtered several solar systems worth of imperial population
I seem to remember in one timeline or another in a codex or rulebook a hive ship got dragged into a warpstorm and sucked into the warp. When it finally re appeared the hive fleets immediately destroyed it and left the biomass to rot in space rather than absorb it and risk becoming tainted.
A few 40k rules of thumb.
When a Marine Chapters' gene line is in doubt, it's probably Ultramarines.
Can it fall to Chaos, probably yes.
So, here’s a question that occurred to me that’s slightly off topic. Is it possible the Great Rift becomes so large and so much warp energy enters I to the material universe that the resulting turbulence would destroy the material universe? And wouldn’t that then destroy all life? And wouldn’t the loss of all life then in turn destroy all the gods and other entities of the warp?
Does the warp exert a gravitational force and if so, what would be a critical mass to either pull the material universe into the rift or, alternate, the rift collapse in on itself?
Unknown but the warp alters the nature of reality affecting sentient beings and physics. The question is, could chaos be so successful that they destroy the material universe?
@@Blipvertus I always kinda wondered if that was 40k's version of the big bang. A reset of the great game played by the chaos gods, so to speak. Destroy all life and then reboot the galaxy, go for another round.
@@captainmurphy4948 possibly. I remember the ending of the Elric of Melnibone series with the chaos gods being completely unchallenged by order and being wiped out and consumed by their own chaos.
@@Blipvertus Basically just describing what happened at the end of Warhammer Fantasy, except Sigmar cheated at the end and created a new universe to continue fighting . . . . and that's how we got Age of Sigmar. But yeah, its possible that the Warp either links multiple realities together and the gods would just turn their attention to another world, or they will end up "dying out" for a time and then a new set of Old Ones will emerge once the warp and material universe settle down and separate thus kicking off the cycle all over again.
I have school tomorrow and its midnight...but I gotta watch this
It was midnight 6 hours ago for me and I haven't been able to get sleep. But aleast I don't have school :P
In a Guardsman's eyes, 1 (Chaos) + 1 (Tyranids) = 1 enemy to kill.
Tyranids: exist
Nurgle: It's free real estate.
The Hive fleet currently menacing the Tau could produce toxins able to kill the Death Guard.
I think the real question is if the Tyrnaids fell to choas, would they be stronger or weaker? Half the strength of the Tyranids is their unification of purpose, perfected gene coded bodies and so on. I don't think chaos would add anything but weakness to the Tryanid lines.
The tyranids can fight chaos but get their ass handed to them by Catachan wildlife on every occasion.
In "The All Guardsman Party", a psycher demonhost was exorcised (by volume of firepower) and their escaping demon possessed the nearest psycher of any power - that was a zoanthrope who was captured for research purposes.
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Closest was the nurgle genestealer cult.
A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.
while Tyranids can be effected by Nurgle disease, it has been recorded that they can adapt to it quickly given time, plus while i cant truly say for Genestealer cults, pure Tyranid organisms dont have souls, which is key to corruption, making it almost impossible for them to fall. we must also need to keep in mind that what we are seeing is but vanguard fleets of the true swarm.
If Ciaphas Cain ever gets eaten by Tyranids, prepare to watch a faction fail upwards
Cain is immortal, official standing orders from The Departmento Munitorum state that Cain is to be considered alive and on active duty at all times, regardless of any other considerations. This accounts for Cain still being listed as being on active duty, even after being buried with full military honors, owing to the sheer number of times he has been reported killed in action, only to show up alive again and all the time this means being spent correcting the Adminstratum's records (In itself likely an ongoing process that would continue for decades if not centuries after Cain's death). Besides, I'm convinced that Cain actually IS still alive after his burial, since any time death tries to claim him, Cain would just kick Death Itself in the junk and run away
*Me hearing the mention of Genestealer Oracles*: "I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!"
Really interesting episode thanks!
i always thought it would be cool if a tyranid separated from the hive mind and retained its own individuality and sentience, then opted to join the imperium by psychically communicating with the emperor and creating its own unique hive fleet to covertly aid humanity.....such a filthy heretic i am.
Very sick mind but I like it
Watching the DOW 2 Chaos Rising Game movie, I realized something:
What about Tyranids stuck on space hulks?
Those spend extended preriods of time in the warp. Plenty of time to get corrupted, both body and mind. How does the Hivemind react to those?
I suspect that certain bioforms, without the protection of the Shadow in the Warp, are susceptible to at least Chaotic influence. With this said it is a very intriguing question which could lead to one even more intriguing: assuming the power of Chaos grows in the material universe will the Hive Mind priorities dealing with it? Because the Shadow in the Warp is a wonderful weapon against Warp based foes and could lead to something very weird like a Hive fleet temporarily allying itself with the Imperium against the common foe. Now that would be scary as hell for the poor Guardsmen
Granted it is a fanfic and very non-canon.... there was a session in the 1d4Chan story "Adventures of the all Guardsman Party" [a re-telling of an Inquisitor campaign starring the remains of a Guard regiment inducted into the Inquisition for being the last platoon standing after an Ork Waaagh is stopped] that featured what the party called the "Daemonothrope". The group is tasked with capturing a zoanthrope, alive, for study. They manage to critically injure it [including accidentally welding a boarding shield to its face with its own warp lightning] and get it into a stasis pod. During the trip back, the gellar fields on their ship start to fail and a Tzeentch daemon of some flavor manages to possess the thrope while it is injured, sedated and cut off from the Hive Mind. Shenanigans ensue including warp-ghosts of gaunts and stealers swarming the ship.
Neckbeardia did a vid on it: ruclips.net/video/fl35pbzSplA/видео.html
Would be interesting if they expanded on the Doom of Malantai, The super zoanthrope that eats souls. Seems like he could actually destroy a demon for good.
Oh look. I’m the first one to watch this.
Also Holy Emperor. A Daemon Tyranid Prince. That would be a nightmare to deal with.
How come there are comments earlier than yours if you're the first?
Can the eldar fall to chaos ?
Can the orks fall to chaos ?
Can the irks be tamed since childhood ?
Can the sisters of battle fall to chaos ??
Please tell us
No!
Yes!
No!
Yes!
The worst case scenario is the Tyranids learning that Farming is a way to create a continuous source of Biomass.
7:37
*Grab the exterminatus nuke, flamethrower, and Mr clean bottle*
"IS THAT A FUCKING LAMENTERS HELMET"
I'm sure Khoren would love to have a Chaos Carnifex.
Khorne, Khoren is the God of angry mid-western moms
I mean they don't even have self awareness or free will so probably not.
Though I imagine they can be corrupted maybe like how inanimate objects are deformed by the warp.
Big brained ones do.
Some of those Slaanesh claws look rather tyranidy. I've often wondered if GW would ever make that a canon crossover.
I always suspected the tyranids were the old ones answer to chaos. Sent into the galaxy to wipe out all the life providing energy for chaos.
I've always liked the idea of Hive Fleet Behemoth emerging from the warp as Drachnids (Norn queen possessed by Drach'nyen)
During this entire video I was just thinking about the All Guardsmen Party.
That should explain why daemonic fulgrim looks like a slanesh-ish trygon.
That's more that he reflects the forms of the Leyhr, the snake like xenos that worshiped Slaanesh and from whom he got the Leyhr Blade, this Daemonic sword that he was corrupted by
@@weldonwin A new theory has emerged : maybe the Leyhr were a splinter fleet made of Raveners and Trygon that got seduced by Slaanesh
@@ashclaw2306 Implying that these creatures were mentally advanced enough to conceive of complex concepts such as hedonism and cult worship. The Leyhr were an advanced civilization, with cities, temples, a culture of religious worship and the use of technology. If the Leyhr were somehow connected to the Tyrannids, they would be SO divergent from them, as to make them an entirely separate race on every level.
@@weldonwin we are relativly sure that the arachnids on Murder have been Nids are we? Sentient, civilization buliding, language...Nids can achieve a lot even when separated from the hive mind. But I rather see a genestealer cult going the leyhr road. They infiltrate a species for decades maybe hundreds of years, expand their cult until they grew big enough to ring the dinner bell for the hive fleet. What if the fleet never comes? Maybe they never get the signal due to warp storms or else or are too far away from that advance team. So the cult goes on and on until everybody on the planet is a genestaeler devout to the cult and the cult evolves beyond its origin as well for their four armed saviours strangely never appeared and after many millennia you get something new. Maybe this is even more likely in a galaxy where ...forces...sense your faith whatever it may be ...and like to answer you call.
@@phreakazoith2237 What? I have never heard the theory that the arachnids on Murder were Tyranids before. I mean, they were arachnids, having eight limbs, not the typical and characteristic six limbs of the tyranids.
I had actually been thinking about this a few days ago. Great video. Thanks Rem.
I was once in a really good Dark Heresy game, where a planet was about to be invaded by Tyranids but a Nurgle cult were planning to contaminate the planet so that it would spread to the Tyranids and spread the taint of Nurgle wherever the fleet went.
What would happen if several hive fleets. (Biggest of the biggest let’s say) got near enough to the eye of terror to cast the shadow in the warp fully over it ? Would the eye recede? Would it briefly give those warp stricken worlds respite from the corruption of the warp ?
*Sees the title.*
"Let's fucking hope not!"
👍 good work
I wonder how Nurgle looks at the Death Corps of Krieg, how he considers trying to turn any of them to his worship
The Necrons need to get their shit together and deal with these bugs. Also, what if the Bugs get ahold of the Pariah gene?
Don't blanks already mess with the hive minds synapse? If they ever consumed a blank, I don't think that making bugs with it would be productive use of biomass.
Yeah, the pariah gene is kind of antithetical to any kind of Hive Mind. Strengthening the Shadow in the Warp is definitely the Hive Mind's version of blackstone pylons . . . . which is where the real issue lies in my mind! If the Tyranids become aware of the value of blackstone and understand how to polarize it and incorporate it into chitin, they might be able to magnify the Shadow in the Warp to the point that it starts to manifest as actual physical protection for individual organisms.
actually the tyrannids falling partially to chaos may be a way to drive the overall story forward a few millennia withouit having them wipe out the entire galaxy
the story is already moving... if you havent noticed we already are in the 42nd millennium! theres already enough content for there to not be a reason to fast forward whole millennia
also, anything other than a few vanguard organisms and genestealer cults falling to chaos is probably impossible thanks to the protection of the hive mind and the lack of higher intelligence from most tyranid lifeforms
I'd say that, as Nurgle's inventions demostrated, they can be affected by the powers of chaos if this powers are joined with physical changes that damage or sever the minds of the Tyrannids as much as their physical forms, definitively disconnecting them from the Hive Mind or simply controlling them like Nurgle's demons control zombies, or a human can lobotomize an animal.
Before this video, i was afraid the tyranids would destroy chaos, or that chaos would destroy the tyranids. Now i am afraid of them joining forces👍
Considering the Tyranid psyche is so wrong that it registers in the warp as a big empty blob of psychic ‘nope’ I’d have to go with no.
Interesting to this: I forget which novel it was, but one of the early Ragnar Blackmane novels had him and his squad in a space hulk, clearing out Nurgle infected genestealers. So, technically yes, Tyranids can be corrupted.
Although this does bear note that Genestealers are one of the few Tyranids capable of acting independent of the Hive Mind(as long as the Mind allows), so it might be that Tyranids can only be corrupted as long as the Shadow of the Hive Mind isn't a factor.
Yes, the events of Ragnar's Claw are mentioned within this video. (Although it was a number of different bioform strains, not just genestealers, as "hive warriors" and smaller creatures with organic projectile weaponry are also mentioned, which are allusions to Tyranid Warriors and Termagants)
I think the Word Bearers had a couple of Tyranid Bioships above Sicarus in Anthony Reynold's series as well.
Why would the chaos gods even *want* to corrupt Tyranids anyway? I imagine it's possible to physically alter them, but to corrupt even a tendril to their will would require the amount of effort not really characteristic of the chaos gods. And to what end? Tyranids don't really have souls in the way they're usually thought of. (For that matter, I'm not entirely sure Orks have souls, either, hence why you similarly don't see Chaos Orks as a big deal.) And even if the Tyranids did have souls, it'd be like switching from meat lover's pizza to rice chex. I don't think even Tzeentch would find any value in that.
I imagine trying to corrupt the Hive Mind would be akin to trying to hold a conversation with white noise: you wouldn't affect it either way, and you'd look like a dork for even trying, which brings up the factor of the Great Game. Any chaos god stupid enough to waste time on the Tyranids would lose out in the follower-gathering contest to its peers who choose to corrupt the virtually infinite and highly malleable humans.
So… I’ve always thought weaker tyranids could be fooled by chaos should the synaptic leaders be lost. Thank you for addressing this!
Considering a few genestealer cults model themselves to look like a religious cult, could their leader (while still mostly human) fall to chaos and then lead his flock down the path of the ruinous powers?
Yes that has happened
@@matan8074 do you remember where its from? I wouldnt mind reading whatever book its in.
I need something to read after finishing up Dante lol
God Emperor, just imagine what a Tyranid worshipping Slaanesh would be like
Interestingly enough the Brood Mind can also be used to defend against chaos. In the Novel Ghost Warrior the Eldar of Zaisurtha willing submitted to genestealer infestation since they lacked the protection of soul stones. The novel also showed us a Patriarch of Khaine, in which the genestealer patriarch fused with the avatar of Khaine. (He made a video talking about The Patriarch of Khaine btw)
Indeed, but as shown with the Chaos Genestealer cults, such protection, while perhaps better than being without a soul stone entirely (due to the souls of the Aeldari being "tugged at" by Slaanesh constantly when without a soul stone, as shown whenever Drukhari enter real space), is not infallible, as it doesn't offer total immunity to Chaotic influence like the Hive Mind supposedly does.
@@40KTheories It should also be noted that the Zaisurtha Eldar where also in the Webway, which unless I'm mistaken would also help protect them from chaos. The protection of the Broodmind is indeed not infallible. While its not chaos corruption, the Eldar Gods are warp entities and in that book the Genestealer Patriarch was turned into aforementioned Patriarch of Khaine and the Ynnari used the Brood Mind against them by summoning the Yncarne in it (or something around those lines) to eat their souls. So perhaps its more of a double edged sword, providing protection against outside corruption, but if that protection is overcome then the entirety of the broodmind is compromised. Love your videos btw, keep up the good work.
You're welcome.
Also, if I recall correctly the Craftworld had been dragged into warp space during a warp storm, as opposed to the Webway, though it has been a while since I've read the book lol.
This brings a question. Would a disconnected Tyranid lifeform that somehow gained some sort of sapience, be susceptible to the T'au's mind-control shenanigans? Thanks for the great video.
The mind control thing is merely a theory but a heavily supported theory nonetheless.
Khorne tyranids, that would be sweet.
psh, the Hive Mind isn't going to share its tasty tasty blood and nice crunchy skulls with anyone. XD
I'm sensing a very ALL GUARDSMAN PARTY vibe here
I had an argument with someone about whether or not it made sense to have a loyalist death guard successor chapter (or indeed any other traitor Legion)
Hear me out on this.
In the book Flight of the Eisenstein Captain Garro of the Death Guard escapes the Istvaan massacre, travels to Terra and helps found the Inquisition.
Space Marine Geneseed can be harvested twice per decade so over the course of Ten Thousand Years a single Space Marine could easily father an entire chapter.
Not even counting the fact that, the growth would be logarithmic.
A "Hive Fleet Chaos" would be so fucking metal.
Yes yes i had iasked this question to a dawn of war ultimate apocalypse youtuber and to you too
The all gaurdsman party: yes,yes it fucking cab
Nubby has proven that a Demonthrope is possible. :p
If Tyranids gain traits of those that they consume, what would happen if they consumed psychic blanks? Would the hive fleet slowly lose its connection to the hive mind?
They only gain the traits the Norn Queens select out of the genetic stock they harvest from any given battle. They aren't like the Kroot who gain their new traits passively through organs they don't consciously control.
Scary extragalactic bugs + horned demons. Truly a match made in hell.
The Tyranids are constantly changing and have psychic powers... Sounds right up somebody’s alley 🐦