I came to your channel about a year ago. I'm a 50 year old mom, and my oldest - now 25 - has joined jehovahs witnesses. I am an atheist and have been throughout my adulthood. I found your channel while trying to find out more about the cult my child was joining. Nothing I've said to him has dissuaded him. Now he has married another jehovahs witness and moved to Idaho. I hear from him, but not as often as I'd like. They wont be having children (thankfully), and have taken steps to ensure that (vasectomy). I hope that at some point they both realize that it isn't truly the life they want. Especially since my daughter-in-law's own sister was disfellowshipped a few years ago.
luckily, all but one uncle had no problems with me leaving. I wish they weren’t still JW’s, but they have never preached to me or my partner. Never once mention the religion actually. I have never seen my parents witnessing in public. Maybe they are in the religion as they grew up JW’s and now it’s more of a social thing rather than a religious thing. Like all religions, some people are hardcore, and my family must be the lazy ones haha.
@mamahellfire - Painful as it is to you, you cannot determine for your son what life he truly wants. You are his mother, yes, but he's an adult and thus free to make his own decisions no matter how much that may violate your maternal instincts or hurt your feelings. I, too, am an atheist and it's my good fortune that no one in my immediate family has fallen prey to religious cults or beliefs. It is unfortunate that this mental virus (not specifically that of this particular sect) has infected some members of my nephew's in-laws and will likely infect one or more of their children. I have no control over that. It is my hope that when your son is disfellowshipped (not a foregone conclusion but possible, nonetheless) I hope you'll be able to overcome the isolation and hurt caused by his participation in the JWs and be a welcome resource for him when he's trying to regain his footing in life. Good luck to you.
The Sandy school shooting just hit the live news and who comes knocking on my door at that moment? The "ladies" from the local JW crew. They had no idea. I was upset, shaking, crying. I made them come in and see what I was upset about. I asked how "their" God would let this happen? They started flipping through their books, stuttering, and had nothing. After that day our weekly visits stopped. Huh.
It’s a sad situation when evil people act out. It can make many people wonder why God allows this. It comes from humans having free will. If God steps in when people want to do evil then no one can have free will.
@@TheVelvetteButterfly What about the free will of the victims? No matter the crime, the perpetrator prevents the victim from doing what they want to do. For example, a r*pist will prevent their victims from fleeing. The moment there is a perpetrator and a victim, one of the two person's will is not going to realize; so why doesn't God make it so the victim's will is the will that is realized rather than the perpetrator's will?
@@TheVelvetteButterfly"How are you supposed to enjoy your margaritas without knowing some guy could rape a child if he wanted to?" Do you see how fucking obnoxious that sounds?
16:33 that isn't a muzzle Owen. It's a training guide called a gentle leader. There's different kinds but it's a tool used to help teach dogs not to pull when walking on a leash. It does not hurt the dog (assuming you have it on correctly) and it doesn't cause the dog physical discomfort beyond the annoyance of something being on their face. I have used them before but found that a harness with the leash attached to the chest combined with treats works better.
When my friend's JW parents passed away, I helped her clean and empty out their old home. There were bookshelves upon bookshelves with hundreds of books in them. Not one novel, not one manual, only JW books and even magazines professionally bound in bigger volumes, which probably cost them hundreds of pounds at the time. In their pile of records, not a pop or jazz one, only JW hymns and sermons, speeches, lessons. It was so depressing, what a sad existence. My friend definitely enjoyed throwing all of that in the recycling bins, though, so that was fun
I was never in, but remember the dramatic color literature depicting a woman screaming, fires in buildings and cars turned over. Kind of similar to dramatic, cheap pulp stories at the time. Watchtower always had END TIMES in big letters 😢 😮
The “Enjoy Life on earth Forever” I remember was a very simplistic 32-page brochure they/we had when I came in during the 1990’s. So much has changed about this religious cult. I’m glad and gratefully thankful to have finally woken up in 2017-18 as have many!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
This is similar to how I came in as a 20-year-old in 1992 to my 1994 baptism at 22 but my indoctrination books were the red “You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth” and the blue book “United in Worship of the only true God”. It’s been drastically “simplified” by their methods nowadays for attention spans and dumbing downs in their desperation to find new cult/high control members they call “righthearted” or “honest hearted”. But it’s a brainlock and those in vulnerable, susceptible situations or mindsets like I was as a 20-year old young man lost for direction, an only child growing up in Chicago with my Mom having battled lymphoma cancer for 12 years in and out of radiation and chemotherapy and remission as I had dabbled in college courses while working and trying to figure out my life for guidance and direction and I feel into Watchtower’s trap. Sad😢
This is how jws manage to trap adults into their cult even in modern times-they prey upon the ones rendered emotionally vulnerable because of the effects of their life circumstances! A drowning person will clutch at a straw, or words to that effect. When emotionally in distress, and therefore vulnerable and having one’s judgment impaired, is the time when an otherwise rational person will be open to being sucked in… It just occurred to me that one analogous way to regard such a situation (an adult knowingly joining a cult) is that of a fully grown adult being gradually convinced that there IS a Santa, rather than a child finally understanding that there is NOT 😂. Ironic!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
It looks likes the dog is wearing ahead halter. It's modeled over a horse halter and used to make walking a dog easier. It is not abusive if fitted and used correctly.
When he was reading the "hundred questions" and got to "who is Satan and the demons?" My mind immediately pictured a band like Josie and the pussycats but with Satan on lead and demons in gogo dresses as the band 😂
The dog is chewing on the leash. Our dog does that when he's impatient and wants to go. In this case he's trying to get this culty conversation to end lol
As a former JW, we were always taught we shouldn’t recognise the national anthem. How do they reconcile that the Williams sisters (i. think they are still active) were recognising the national anthem , and wearing nationalistic uniforms at the Olympics?
I remember one funny moment with JW publications, years ago. Basically me and my friends stumbled upon a collection of several volumes of Awake! We started reading it and found very amusing for how simplistic and naive it was. The style, the comparisons, the arguments were not exactly convincing to put it mildly. And it made us realize: average person wouldn't really buy into it, but a person in distress, depression, someone who's fallen on hard time may find it helpful as a way to cope and that's why their behavior is a predatory one. It was disgusting once we realized that. And then, of course, you have all the people born into the cult who have no choice, who are not asked but expected to join.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@KPW2137 get the sense of what I posted from the Bible. Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
Again, how is this relevant? Are you trying to say it's not the most coherent piece of literature? Or that it borrowed ideas from earlier religions? @@Mr.DC3.1914
@@KPW2137 Zephaniah 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.
I am so immsered in trekking through the slovenliness and often perplexing/infuriating theology and credenda that encapsulates the sobering, bizzare planet known as the Johovah's Witnesses cult! 😮 ? I pine for the indefinite continuation of Telltale's channel! He is a gemstone; an epic proponent of meticulous critical insight 😊
I just got a JW letter yesterday. I already did the cult thing. I went full UPCI for 25 years after my sister lost connection with our family. Grief vulture indeed.
The getting an answer directly from the Bible to a random question reminds me of Clerks 2. In a deleted scene, Jay and Silent Bob interpreted their findings in a strange way.
Those face halters are fine as long as your dog doesn't pull on it too badly and you aren't rough with it. Just the same as with horses and other animals you put on a lead. They aren't a spike, choke or shock collar that's for sure.
Even children are encouraged to prey on sad people. Look at the Caleb and Sophia episode where we're introduced to Zoe, who is now learning how to become a Witness.
I am so new to your channels and now I'm HOOKED! love your commentary on your captivating already subject matter.... then your wit, and your sidebars.... addictive
How sensitive are they to potential sabotage-doers? I've had thoughts before about joining the local chapter (is it a chapter?), and what it would be like to just sow discord and chaos.
Okay, as a person with a disability and a birth defect, I'd like to say we are not objects of pity or circumspection. Why do we exist? Because we do. I'm severely dyslexic, and yeah, I have limitations. I'd love to read your book, but I'm not sure I'll have access. I am not something to use to say see, this does or doesn't exist. I am not a thing, I am a person. The fact that someone would use us as a tool to explain their faith or lack of faith in anything says more about their perception of the disabled than anything. Why do disabled people exist? Because life is a product of statistical averages, and theirs are always outliers. Live with it.
This got long so to summarize: head-collar (halter dog collar) are humane and great alternatives to other training collars. Also, Muzzles are WONDERFUL tools, regardless the stigma dogs can breath, eat and drink water while wearing them. I couldn't get a good look at the dog (because of my cellphone) but if it's a head collar (also known as a halter collar) it's not abusive in the slightest. The collar would have a part that goes around the head and another that goes around the snout. When adjusted properly will secure the dog. It reduces tension and pulling (because unlike a traditional collar the pressure would be on the back of the head not the front of the neck). Usually gives you more control over the dog. The dog is still able to eat, drink, bark, have a full pant and even bite but it shouldn't be left on for extended periods of time because it could get stuck on something or get uncomfortable when not walking on a leash. It's a great tool to train dogs to walk on a leash. I've owned and trained plenty of dogs, I usually prefer a harness with a ring on the front and another one on the back. for the versatility of not pulling on the dog's neck and adapting to dogs that respond better to have that "gentle lead" approach or on the back for the dog that no matter how much you train still finds a way to get the leash tangled. When neither of those work I resort to the head collar. Works better than a prongs collar or a choke collar and is more humane than either of those and even than a regular flat collar (if the dog pulls) No matter what you got told at the store by a "dog trainer" or what you saw Cesar Millan do or whatever NO TWO DOGS ARE A LIKE. It's not about breeds (but they do tend to share lots of behavior with their breed). If all dogs could be trained the same all dogs could be service animals or police dogs and similar. When choosing what dogs to train for tasks like those the trainer chooses a dog depending on how they respond to certain stuff and their personality (and even after being selected by a professional trainer because of some desirable behavior the dog is already showing, there's no guarantee the dog will respond as expected to training) I always advise to train them with a properly fitted harness (and maybe try a few different styles) but being able to transport and exercise your dog is important for their safety and that's why leash training is crucial just to keep them safe (that's true for all dogs but especially if it's not a lap dog). The head-collar is a great alternative for dogs that don't do well in harnesses. Most dogs don't mind them and respond well to them (there is a learning curve but that's true even for chew toys and playing fetch). Also, Muzzles are not abusive/harmful for dogs. They are great tools to keep everyone safe. There are different kind of Muzzles, dogs shouldn't be made to Wear them for extended periods of times (not because of any danger but because it gets uncomfortable after a while, just like a bra, or jeans or even shoes do to us; I bet you don't find it comfortable to go to bed with all your jewelry, jeans, button up shirt and shoes still on, neither does your dog). There are less humane versions of muzzles but lots of muzzles available allow the dog to drink water (and even eat a snack) while wearing it, will allow them to bark and you should always choose one that allows for a pant (a full pant if they'll be wearing it while exercising, if it's warm, if it's more than just a couple of minutes, or if they may get anxious). I believe all dogs should be used to wearing a muzzle because you don't know when they'll need one. Your puppy may be the friendliest, gentler dog on the planet, if he gets hurt or need to wear a muzzle for any reason you wouldn't like to traumatize your already suffering dog with a new device they don't understand and may have a negative association of after this unexpected situation. No matter the case if you see a dog with a muzzle thats the safest dog nearby, not the lapdog, not the playful puppy, you can't be safer around a dog than when they are properly wearing a muzzle.
Just one note there: I've seen people using vet muzzles which shouldn't be used outside of vet's cabinet. Proper muzzle allows dogs to breath, chill and drink water and are all OK to use. Vet muzzles ( I'm not sure that's the correct, exact term ) are designed to keep dog's mouth shut which is an issue.
22:22 these people are acting like VULTURES....except that that's insulting to vultures, who at least serve a valuable ecological niche. Actually, while not as extreme, in 2007 we lost a dog, this JW we hired to clean our place every week or two was a jerk about it, well, said "unlike her, you have a chance to be SAVED"
I had to comment because it was funny; Owen says, "watching this is part of becoming a Jehova's Witness." Cut to Diablo IV Season of the Contruct commercial. 🤣
I always wondered about the ungrammatical name of that booklet -- "Bible Teach" sounds ridiculous and clunky. Is it something like how scam emails often contain blatant errors which weed out the less compliant marks?
If they’re giving her answer after answer, tell me one example of an answer and the question it applied to. But they won’t give you that because vagueness is a utility for them. But, what works against that utility is that it leaves the suggestion up to the individual’s imagination.
It's all about the questions! Pose your own question, write a short piece containing the answer to said question, then ask someone to give you the RIGHT ANSWER to said question. I have got to ask the question............. Why all the questions?
What happens if a person is disabled with learning disabilities and can't learn? Are they lost forever. This is craziness!!!! Thank you for exposing them. How sad!!!!
I don't understand why they try to recruit the same people that they tell their children to stay away from? You want your kids playing with mine unless I join your religion?
If you want to keep them from coming to your door, talk to them one time to get on their mailing list and then when you get a letter write RETURN TO SENDER on the front, and I HAVE NO INTEREST IN JOINING YOUR CULT on the back. Problem solved. They’ll skip your house forever.
I allways wonderd. When they say they looked in the bible to see what the book say of their problem, do they read parts that they allready know and interpret it in diffrent ways or do they open the book on random?
Isn't the answer in Christianity that we deserve the suffering and because we deserve it, it doesn't make God bad? That's the mormon answer anyway. It's sick stuff, they don't like to say it out loud.
Like most monotheistic religions I guess Christianity at large has this big isse of the why evil question. If as they say god is all good and omnipotent then why evil? And frankly I've heard quite a few answers to this question over the years, but none was really convincing.
That's not my answer. It makes me sad to hear that is what Mormons think. My answer is: I don't know the mind of God or why a lot of bad things happen. Obviously, a lot of our problems we DO bring on ourselves, but no I don't believe rape or other abuse victims "deserve it". That is actually New Age thinking (also Hindu). But I don't have to know all the answers. And the idea that the only answers could possibly be that God is either impotent or evil (as Owen claims) is ridiculous imho. For instance hurricanes and volcanos do lots of good things for the planet long term, despite how we humans may perceive them in the short term. Old plants and animals die. And suffering often causes us to learn a great deal that makes us better people. Hopefully this is a better answer.
@eileenpierce7623 That is absolutely what mormons think. Let me guess you are either young or never experienced rape or dv. The mormon answer to rape is what did you do to cause it? The mormon answer to dv is just submit more and pray. They even published books to hand out to rape victims asking them to figure out why they wanted it. And I've personally seen rape victims publicly punished. In my ward the girl was punished for longer than the boys. This was decades of policy that has only been changed in the last couple years because they couldn't suppress it any longer due to the internet and the churches are emptying.
The reason I was given by Jehovah’s Witnesses, because I did ask the same question was that it’s the remnant of passed down original sin from Adam and Eve sin. That Adam and Eve made perfect, but through their disobedience that stain has corrupted us, and that when Jesus returns, he races that stain from all of us, so that will be resurrected. Perfect, without ailments or disabilities.
I heard tell a 🐱🤪 monk used the vowels of elohim with the tetragramaton to coin the name jehova. Best thing I learned from j dubs is that suffering is allowed as a legal precedent, "no one will ever do it again," Rob Skiba. "Micheal trembled," Enoch expressed, when judgement for pervert watchers was set by Abba/Christ ☠️🔥
(from a part time wheelchair user) Their wheelchair in the video at 13:40 made me so angry. That is a wheelchair for a clinic, that specifically is used to push patients by another person. The arm rests are too high. It makes the kid push really shallowly.
16:54 Its called a gentle lead and its pretty awesome. It sits over their muzzle and under their chin but leavesntheir mouth free. My pup (old old old pupper lol) can eat and drink and bark with his on
General Leaders are common, not abusive, and used for training. My dog has to have one, because he pulls so much, and I kind of think he might end up pulling me and himself out in front of a car one day if I don't train him or gain control over him quickly. Maybe. So, which is worse?
@@jimbobaggans1564 Oh I hated it too. Despised my mom and everyone involved in making me do it. But I’m grateful as I now have zero fear of living by my motto : Say what you mean and mean what you say.
@@AVspectre It’s also much cheaper and less stressful not participating in holidays. Fuck that nonsense. Don’t forget my birthday! But I’m free of all that crap too! Lol
It's not a muzzle. It goes on there like a muzzle, and it helps the dog. When you're turning it to walk , it pulls its head to the side when it tries to pull the leash.
Any ex JW, or any exes of similar religions, what do the adults prey on? Simply gullibility? Needing something? I entered/escaped faith within 2 years in a sect that is nowhere near as militant, it was "stop showing up and you're fine", I am wondering about this. Also how selective they are in recruits. If anyone has insight, I would like to know!
I have a question for you, Owen; because you're a former JW as well as just being very knowledgeable about pretty much every aspect of the JW cult, I read somewhere years ago that JW entire doctrine, dogma, etc., was predicted upon old, "corrupted Roman Catholic scripture" that the Vatican threw out well over at least a century or so ago. Do you know anything about this? With the way they've alway seemed to hate Catholics, this seems quite incongruous to me; any thoughts?
Right. “I am one of jehova’s witnesses” comes with the presupposition that jehova is a real god. The interlocutor won’t call that out. “I am officially certified in bhudda’s alien autopsy program.”
One of the things that pushed me out of Christianity was Christians’ reactions to a chronic illness that runs in my family. The kindest reaction was a lady who said she would pray that the demons would be defeated by God. (Stupid, but at least she meant well) The worst was the person who said that every unwell member of my family was that way because my Mom stopped being a Christian and if we converted her back, God would heal all of us. (What the fuck kind of God do you worship?) Standard was saying that God was using our illness for his glory and/or we were sinning somehow and needed to repent and draw closer to God. The other thing that pushed me out of Christianity was trying to read through the entire Bible. There are so many horrible stories: Noah’s flood, Joseph selling his people into slavery in Egypt, Moses and the plagues, etc. I never made it through the campaign to conquer the Promised Land before getting so pissed off I wanted to kill someone. (Preferably God.)
@@misterauctor7353 My college class wasn’t what bothered me. The behavior of supposedly loving Christians and God acting like a supervillain bothered me far more.
nothing pushed me away from christianity harder than interacting with southern baptists. at the age of 8, i got to spend my bus rides home being yelled at by them about how I'm going to be tortured for all eternity because i don't follow their "loving" god.
Shit, I never realized how similar going the Southern Baptist schools were to Jehovah Witnesses. In the schools I went to, you guys or the Jehovah Witnesses were not "real Christians". What a bunch of BS I believed in for so many years. Thank you for posting and teaching us about your growing up in this cult. The Southern Baptists and many Southern Protestants are very similar.
“Enjoy living forever”, or whatever the correct title, I’m stoned now or I wouldn’t be posting this but I MUST say-exclaim really-that I can’t believe that I, or anyone EVER believed or does now, that humans could live forever in human form, or that any god exists, or…ad infinitum… And I was one of them 😧!
The dog looks like he could either be playing with the leash by biting it or it’s kind of a bit that you’d put in a horse’s mouth! It is strange looking.
I think I can shed some light onto the age-old question of "Why? Why does a loving Creator give so many people miserable lives?" Before I give my answer, let me say that I love your channel and your no-bullshit approach to JW's and religion in general, even though I'm NOT an atheist; raised a Roman Catholic, I got older and began to question most of their dogma and as a result, I just slowly pulled back and away. However, I AM a very SPIRITUAL man, so I absolutely do believe in God, the "One Source," Yaweh or just "Source," along with Jesus Christ, who was only here to try to teach us that we ALL have God within ourselves, believe it or not; that we as human beings are so VERY POWERFUL, but we've had that shut off by organized religion and world governments. I also believe in an afterlife, absolutely...I had a near-death experience years ago, and it changed me for the better. I was shown that ALL religions have it all WRONG; there IS NO angry, spiteful, vengeful God (or Creator) who's just itching to send us all to Hell for eternity and YET....He loves us! Lol. I believe He does love us, everything is based in love, and we all see, feel, and live that love once we die, BUT...I digress. We CHOOSE the kind of lives that we live here on Earth before we incarnate here. Earth is a school, and we've all signed up for this, but....we also have free will, which the God source will never interfere with, so we often get off the chosen path, and then the universe gives us a nudge and we're back on track....or let's say that we get murdered by someone else (there's that free will) and it was NOT a part of our life plan; well....our soul simply reincarnates to finish what we need to do. The ones who do terrible things to us, like killing us, well...that may or may not be on THEIR life path; if it was planned, then their victim may have agreed with that soul to be the victim, so the perpetrator could learn from it, likely because in THEIR previous life here, THEY were the one who was killed. Maybe the one they killed had filled THEM in a past life, but it was to learn a karmic lesson from it. That's what I believe, anyway, and it took me decades to finally arrive at this explanation. I know many would argue everything I wrote here, but....after my NDE years ago, this was the understanding that I returned with; I remember it like it was yesterday, it has remained so very vivid, even after all these years; there's GOT to be something more once we dip out from this planet; the NDE confirmed that belief. You know what the last thing I was told before slamming back down into my body? "Tell the others, there IS no death." For what it's worth.
The JWs in Laramie, WY are still handing out the What does the Bible Really Teach. I put it on my religion shelf. They look like angels compared to the wanna be Ray Comfort.
I came to your channel about a year ago. I'm a 50 year old mom, and my oldest - now 25 - has joined jehovahs witnesses. I am an atheist and have been throughout my adulthood. I found your channel while trying to find out more about the cult my child was joining. Nothing I've said to him has dissuaded him. Now he has married another jehovahs witness and moved to Idaho. I hear from him, but not as often as I'd like. They wont be having children (thankfully), and have taken steps to ensure that (vasectomy). I hope that at some point they both realize that it isn't truly the life they want. Especially since my daughter-in-law's own sister was disfellowshipped a few years ago.
You have my sincere condolences; we lost 2 aunts and uncles and several cousins to this insidious CULT, and it IS a CULT.
luckily, all but one uncle had no problems with me leaving. I wish they weren’t still JW’s, but they have never preached to me or my partner. Never once mention the religion actually. I have never seen my parents witnessing in public.
Maybe they are in the religion as they grew up JW’s and now it’s more of a social thing rather than a religious thing. Like all religions, some people are hardcore, and my family must be the lazy ones haha.
That must be hard because there's basically nothing you can do or say to change their mind. 💔
Yeah, they are discouraged to interact with people outside the cult.
@mamahellfire - Painful as it is to you, you cannot determine for your son what life he truly wants. You are his mother, yes, but he's an adult and thus free to make his own decisions no matter how much that may violate your maternal instincts or hurt your feelings. I, too, am an atheist and it's my good fortune that no one in my immediate family has fallen prey to religious cults or beliefs. It is unfortunate that this mental virus (not specifically that of this particular sect) has infected some members of my nephew's in-laws and will likely infect one or more of their children. I have no control over that.
It is my hope that when your son is disfellowshipped (not a foregone conclusion but possible, nonetheless) I hope you'll be able to overcome the isolation and hurt caused by his participation in the JWs and be a welcome resource for him when he's trying to regain his footing in life. Good luck to you.
The Sandy school shooting just hit the live news and who comes knocking on my door at that moment? The "ladies" from the local JW crew.
They had no idea. I was upset, shaking, crying. I made them come in and see what I was upset about. I asked how "their" God would let this happen?
They started flipping through their books, stuttering, and had nothing.
After that day our weekly visits stopped. Huh.
It’s a sad situation when evil people act out. It can make many people wonder why God allows this. It comes from humans having free will. If God steps in when people want to do evil then no one can have free will.
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What about the free will of the victims? No matter the crime, the perpetrator prevents the victim from doing what they want to do. For example, a r*pist will prevent their victims from fleeing.
The moment there is a perpetrator and a victim, one of the two person's will is not going to realize; so why doesn't God make it so the victim's will is the will that is realized rather than the perpetrator's will?
I'm not surprised that they couldn't answer that question. But that doesn't mean there are no answers in Christianity.
@@TheVelvetteButterfly"How are you supposed to enjoy your margaritas without knowing some guy could rape a child if he wanted to?" Do you see how fucking obnoxious that sounds?
16:33 that isn't a muzzle Owen. It's a training guide called a gentle leader. There's different kinds but it's a tool used to help teach dogs not to pull when walking on a leash. It does not hurt the dog (assuming you have it on correctly) and it doesn't cause the dog physical discomfort beyond the annoyance of something being on their face. I have used them before but found that a harness with the leash attached to the chest combined with treats works better.
When my friend's JW parents passed away, I helped her clean and empty out their old home. There were bookshelves upon bookshelves with hundreds of books in them. Not one novel, not one manual, only JW books and even magazines professionally bound in bigger volumes, which probably cost them hundreds of pounds at the time. In their pile of records, not a pop or jazz one, only JW hymns and sermons, speeches, lessons. It was so depressing, what a sad existence. My friend definitely enjoyed throwing all of that in the recycling bins, though, so that was fun
They got my aunt years ago when she was depressed. She had some tough things going on. I feel like they preyed on her. 😔
"What does the bible teach?" still gets used in the Netherlands. There are always Witnesses with a stand at the trainstation here handing them out.
Holy shit. I escaped in 1974.
So much new ‘literature.’
So many trees wasted. Shame.
I was never in, but remember the dramatic color literature depicting a woman screaming, fires in buildings and cars turned over. Kind of similar to dramatic, cheap pulp stories at the time. Watchtower always had END TIMES in big letters 😢 😮
And the end is always just behind the corner, and we're living in the lalst days of the last part of the last days of the last moments. @@trilithon108
How old are you? Like thats when my dad was born.
@@callmeanu9914 10-3-60. I’m 63.
@@callmeanu9914 1960. I’m 63. How old are you?
"Satan and the Demons" sounds like a rock band.
And their first album?
I have found, over my many decades of life, that you can always spot a JW publication by it's illustrations. They are always the same style!
The “Enjoy Life on earth Forever” I remember was a very simplistic 32-page brochure they/we had when I came in during the 1990’s. So much has changed about this religious cult. I’m glad and gratefully thankful to have finally woken up in 2017-18 as have many!
I’m glad you made the transition to freedom. I know it’s not an easy journey.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
This is similar to how I came in as a 20-year-old in 1992 to my 1994 baptism at 22 but my indoctrination books were the red “You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth” and the blue book “United in Worship of the only true God”. It’s been drastically “simplified” by their methods nowadays for attention spans and dumbing downs in their desperation to find new cult/high control members they call “righthearted” or “honest hearted”. But it’s a brainlock and those in vulnerable, susceptible situations or mindsets like I was as a 20-year old young man lost for direction, an only child growing up in Chicago with my Mom having battled lymphoma cancer for 12 years in and out of radiation and chemotherapy and remission as I had dabbled in college courses while working and trying to figure out my life for guidance and direction and I feel into Watchtower’s trap. Sad😢
This is how jws manage to trap adults into their cult even in modern times-they prey upon the ones rendered emotionally vulnerable because of the effects of their life circumstances!
A drowning person will clutch at a straw, or words to that effect.
When emotionally in distress, and therefore vulnerable and having one’s judgment impaired, is the time when an otherwise rational person will be open to being sucked in…
It just occurred to me that one analogous way to regard such a situation (an adult knowingly joining a cult) is that of a fully grown adult being gradually convinced that there IS a Santa, rather than a child finally understanding that there is NOT 😂. Ironic!
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
It looks likes the dog is wearing ahead halter. It's modeled over a horse halter and used to make walking a dog easier. It is not abusive if fitted and used correctly.
When he was reading the "hundred questions" and got to "who is Satan and the demons?" My mind immediately pictured a band like Josie and the pussycats but with Satan on lead and demons in gogo dresses as the band 😂
"grief vultures" wow what a wonderful way to describe it
The dog is chewing on the leash. Our dog does that when he's impatient and wants to go. In this case he's trying to get this culty conversation to end lol
As a former JW, we were always taught we shouldn’t recognise the national anthem. How do they reconcile that the Williams sisters (i. think they are still active) were recognising the national anthem , and wearing nationalistic uniforms at the Olympics?
They weren’t baptized, I believe Serena just got baptized right after she retired.
@lisab.1579 yeah! And she can't leave the cult without consequences!
18:51 that exchange of looks between her student and the students mother is like “we got her” it’s disturbing
I remember one funny moment with JW publications, years ago. Basically me and my friends stumbled upon a collection of several volumes of Awake! We started reading it and found very amusing for how simplistic and naive it was. The style, the comparisons, the arguments were not exactly convincing to put it mildly.
And it made us realize: average person wouldn't really buy into it, but a person in distress, depression, someone who's fallen on hard time may find it helpful as a way to cope and that's why their behavior is a predatory one. It was disgusting once we realized that.
And then, of course, you have all the people born into the cult who have no choice, who are not asked but expected to join.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 ok, and how is all this possibly related to my note?
@@KPW2137 get the sense of what I posted from the Bible.
Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
Again, how is this relevant? Are you trying to say it's not the most coherent piece of literature? Or that it borrowed ideas from earlier religions? @@Mr.DC3.1914
@@KPW2137 Zephaniah 2:3
Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.
Gerrit Losch sounds like the voice of Caleb and Sophia’s dad in the cartoons!
I am so immsered in trekking through the slovenliness and often perplexing/infuriating theology and credenda that encapsulates the sobering, bizzare planet known as the Johovah's Witnesses cult! 😮 ? I pine for the indefinite continuation of Telltale's channel! He is a gemstone; an epic proponent of meticulous critical insight 😊
I just got a JW letter yesterday. I already did the cult thing. I went full UPCI for 25 years after my sister lost connection with our family. Grief vulture indeed.
Its so interesting to hear an Americans experience. I'm currently trapped and planning my escape route. Love from the UK
The getting an answer directly from the Bible to a random question reminds me of Clerks 2. In a deleted scene, Jay and Silent Bob interpreted their findings in a strange way.
Owen should create a new religion called YAHWE's ONLOOKERS
Those face halters are fine as long as your dog doesn't pull on it too badly and you aren't rough with it. Just the same as with horses and other animals you put on a lead.
They aren't a spike, choke or shock collar that's for sure.
Even children are encouraged to prey on sad people. Look at the Caleb and Sophia episode where we're introduced to Zoe, who is now learning how to become a Witness.
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I agree! The poor girl lost her grandma
I'm sure she wouldn't want to be converted
I am so new to your channels and now I'm HOOKED! love your commentary on your captivating already subject matter.... then your wit, and your sidebars.... addictive
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"impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete"
Looks like dog is wearing a ‘gentle leader’
Sounds like the JW version of the Mormon Missionary book "Preach my gospel"
It’s interesting knowing some of this stuff. I’ve always wondered what the heck was in the books the JW people want you to read.
How sensitive are they to potential sabotage-doers? I've had thoughts before about joining the local chapter (is it a chapter?), and what it would be like to just sow discord and chaos.
Unfortunately it would probably just reinforce their victim complex. 😅
Okay, as a person with a disability and a birth defect, I'd like to say we are not objects of pity or circumspection. Why do we exist? Because we do. I'm severely dyslexic, and yeah, I have limitations. I'd love to read your book, but I'm not sure I'll have access. I am not something to use to say see, this does or doesn't exist. I am not a thing, I am a person. The fact that someone would use us as a tool to explain their faith or lack of faith in anything says more about their perception of the disabled than anything. Why do disabled people exist? Because life is a product of statistical averages, and theirs are always outliers. Live with it.
Who wants to live forever - Queen
that governing body member from the link at the beginning has a similar accent to caleb and sofia's dad 🤔🤔🤔
@phoebee2326. - It does make you wonder. For about a millisecond.
This got long so to summarize: head-collar (halter dog collar) are humane and great alternatives to other training collars. Also, Muzzles are WONDERFUL tools, regardless the stigma dogs can breath, eat and drink water while wearing them.
I couldn't get a good look at the dog (because of my cellphone) but if it's a head collar (also known as a halter collar) it's not abusive in the slightest. The collar would have a part that goes around the head and another that goes around the snout. When adjusted properly will secure the dog. It reduces tension and pulling (because unlike a traditional collar the pressure would be on the back of the head not the front of the neck). Usually gives you more control over the dog. The dog is still able to eat, drink, bark, have a full pant and even bite but it shouldn't be left on for extended periods of time because it could get stuck on something or get uncomfortable when not walking on a leash.
It's a great tool to train dogs to walk on a leash. I've owned and trained plenty of dogs, I usually prefer a harness with a ring on the front and another one on the back. for the versatility of not pulling on the dog's neck and adapting to dogs that respond better to have that "gentle lead" approach or on the back for the dog that no matter how much you train still finds a way to get the leash tangled. When neither of those work I resort to the head collar. Works better than a prongs collar or a choke collar and is more humane than either of those and even than a regular flat collar (if the dog pulls)
No matter what you got told at the store by a "dog trainer" or what you saw Cesar Millan do or whatever NO TWO DOGS ARE A LIKE. It's not about breeds (but they do tend to share lots of behavior with their breed). If all dogs could be trained the same all dogs could be service animals or police dogs and similar. When choosing what dogs to train for tasks like those the trainer chooses a dog depending on how they respond to certain stuff and their personality (and even after being selected by a professional trainer because of some desirable behavior the dog is already showing, there's no guarantee the dog will respond as expected to training)
I always advise to train them with a properly fitted harness (and maybe try a few different styles) but being able to transport and exercise your dog is important for their safety and that's why leash training is crucial just to keep them safe (that's true for all dogs but especially if it's not a lap dog).
The head-collar is a great alternative for dogs that don't do well in harnesses. Most dogs don't mind them and respond well to them (there is a learning curve but that's true even for chew toys and playing fetch).
Also, Muzzles are not abusive/harmful for dogs. They are great tools to keep everyone safe. There are different kind of Muzzles, dogs shouldn't be made to Wear them for extended periods of times (not because of any danger but because it gets uncomfortable after a while, just like a bra, or jeans or even shoes do to us; I bet you don't find it comfortable to go to bed with all your jewelry, jeans, button up shirt and shoes still on, neither does your dog). There are less humane versions of muzzles but lots of muzzles available allow the dog to drink water (and even eat a snack) while wearing it, will allow them to bark and you should always choose one that allows for a pant (a full pant if they'll be wearing it while exercising, if it's warm, if it's more than just a couple of minutes, or if they may get anxious). I believe all dogs should be used to wearing a muzzle because you don't know when they'll need one. Your puppy may be the friendliest, gentler dog on the planet, if he gets hurt or need to wear a muzzle for any reason you wouldn't like to traumatize your already suffering dog with a new device they don't understand and may have a negative association of after this unexpected situation. No matter the case if you see a dog with a muzzle thats the safest dog nearby, not the lapdog, not the playful puppy, you can't be safer around a dog than when they are properly wearing a muzzle.
Just one note there: I've seen people using vet muzzles which shouldn't be used outside of vet's cabinet.
Proper muzzle allows dogs to breath, chill and drink water and are all OK to use. Vet muzzles ( I'm not sure that's the correct, exact term ) are designed to keep dog's mouth shut which is an issue.
22:22 these people are acting like VULTURES....except that that's insulting to vultures, who at least serve a valuable ecological niche. Actually, while not as extreme, in 2007 we lost a dog, this JW we hired to clean our place every week or two was a jerk about it, well, said "unlike her, you have a chance to be SAVED"
I had to comment because it was funny; Owen says, "watching this is part of becoming a Jehova's Witness." Cut to Diablo IV Season of the Contruct commercial. 🤣
What is the reading level of these books? I could feel my adult brain cells shriveling up.
My former SIL was preyed on by her own sister near the end of her marriage to my brother.
Your knowledge of the Bible and theology is just impressive…..keep it going Owen! Thank you!
I had the same experience with JW.... I got answers after answers, with no answers at all.
I always wondered about the ungrammatical name of that booklet -- "Bible Teach" sounds ridiculous and clunky. Is it something like how scam emails often contain blatant errors which weed out the less compliant marks?
If they’re giving her answer after answer, tell me one example of an answer and the question it applied to. But they won’t give you that because vagueness is a utility for them. But, what works against that utility is that it leaves the suggestion up to the individual’s imagination.
"Do you know who I am?....I am one of the leading ExJW" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 LMAOOOOOOOOO That is SO funny and kind of true really.
Wow. A brand new ‘truth’ book.
We instantly recognize that particular blue, don’t we? Lol
Great Job Owen Experience Wisdom Truth
It's all about the questions! Pose your own question, write a short piece containing the answer to said question, then ask someone to give you the RIGHT ANSWER to said question. I have got to ask the question............. Why all the questions?
What happens if a person is disabled with learning disabilities and can't learn? Are they lost forever. This is craziness!!!! Thank you for exposing them. How sad!!!!
I was interested enough in this video to actually put up with The Quick Interjection.
The watchtower on steroids.
"I was getting answer after answer after answer." All of wich were 42.
I don't understand why they try to recruit the same people that they tell their children to stay away from? You want your kids playing with mine unless I join your religion?
If you want to keep them from coming to your door, talk to them one time to get on their mailing list and then when you get a letter write RETURN TO SENDER on the front, and I HAVE NO INTEREST IN JOINING YOUR CULT on the back. Problem solved. They’ll skip your house forever.
I allways wonderd. When they say they looked in the bible to see what the book say of their problem, do they read parts that they allready know and interpret it in diffrent ways or do they open the book on random?
Isn't the answer in Christianity that we deserve the suffering and because we deserve it, it doesn't make God bad? That's the mormon answer anyway. It's sick stuff, they don't like to say it out loud.
Like most monotheistic religions I guess Christianity at large has this big isse of the why evil question. If as they say god is all good and omnipotent then why evil?
And frankly I've heard quite a few answers to this question over the years, but none was really convincing.
I am Mormon and that is definitely not the Mormon answer!
That's not my answer. It makes me sad to hear that is what Mormons think.
My answer is: I don't know the mind of God or why a lot of bad things happen. Obviously, a lot of our problems we DO bring on ourselves, but no I don't believe rape or other abuse victims "deserve it". That is actually New Age thinking (also Hindu). But I don't have to know all the answers.
And the idea that the only answers could possibly be that God is either impotent or evil (as Owen claims) is ridiculous imho. For instance hurricanes and volcanos do lots of good things for the planet long term, despite how we humans may perceive them in the short term. Old plants and animals die. And suffering often causes us to learn a great deal that makes us better people. Hopefully this is a better answer.
@eileenpierce7623 That is absolutely what mormons think. Let me guess you are either young or never experienced rape or dv. The mormon answer to rape is what did you do to cause it? The mormon answer to dv is just submit more and pray. They even published books to hand out to rape victims asking them to figure out why they wanted it. And I've personally seen rape victims publicly punished. In my ward the girl was punished for longer than the boys.
This was decades of policy that has only been changed in the last couple years because they couldn't suppress it any longer due to the internet and the churches are emptying.
I would like to have a study with Jehovah's Witnesses to give them my answers.
Yahweh isn't real, either. The Flying Spaghetti Monster, however, is genuine, may you be touched by His Noodley Appendage®.
The reason I was given by Jehovah’s Witnesses, because I did ask the same question was that it’s the remnant of passed down original sin from Adam and Eve sin. That Adam and Eve made perfect, but through their disobedience that stain has corrupted us, and that when Jesus returns, he races that stain from all of us, so that will be resurrected. Perfect, without ailments or disabilities.
I had 15 Questions and I had to merize the "Fruitages of the spirit" {Love,joy,etcetc]
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The dog is wearing a muzzle because he wants to bite Jehovah
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Amazing it’s said people stop asking questions after not being a child. Where are they getting this world view from?
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Why does he sound like the dad from Caleb and Sophia cartoons?
I heard tell a 🐱🤪 monk used the vowels of elohim with the tetragramaton to coin the name jehova.
Best thing I learned from j dubs is that suffering is allowed as a legal precedent, "no one will ever do it again," Rob Skiba.
"Micheal trembled," Enoch expressed, when judgement for pervert watchers was set by Abba/Christ ☠️🔥
Sounds like Seventh Day Adventist
(from a part time wheelchair user) Their wheelchair in the video at 13:40 made me so angry. That is a wheelchair for a clinic, that specifically is used to push patients by another person. The arm rests are too high. It makes the kid push really shallowly.
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Its called a gentle lead and its pretty awesome. It sits over their muzzle and under their chin but leavesntheir mouth free. My pup (old old old pupper lol) can eat and drink and bark with his on
General Leaders are common, not abusive, and used for training. My dog has to have one, because he pulls so much, and I kind of think he might end up pulling me and himself out in front of a car one day if I don't train him or gain control over him quickly. Maybe. So, which is worse?
Concerning 14:00, Christians are supposed to carry out the ministry that Jesus Christ teaches like in Matthew 10.
I’m a Christian not a JW but I believe shunning is so against what Jesus stood for.
22:05 Stillborn - Black Label Society - Great song
I will admit that being forced through JW ‘ministry school’ made me fucking love public speaking. Lol
I agree. I loved giving talks and learned to be really good at it.
I hated every second of it. Every second.
@@jimbobaggans1564 Oh I hated it too. Despised my mom and everyone involved in making me do it. But I’m grateful as I now have zero fear of living by my motto : Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Glad you were able to find some good in the bad.
@@AVspectre It’s also much cheaper and less stressful not participating in holidays. Fuck that nonsense. Don’t forget my birthday! But I’m free of all that crap too! Lol
I got a random call from JW last week trying to preach to me.
It's not a muzzle. It goes on there like a muzzle, and it helps the dog. When you're turning it to walk , it pulls its head to the side when it tries to pull the leash.
Any ex JW, or any exes of similar religions, what do the adults prey on? Simply gullibility? Needing something? I entered/escaped faith within 2 years in a sect that is nowhere near as militant, it was "stop showing up and you're fine", I am wondering about this. Also how selective they are in recruits. If anyone has insight, I would like to know!
I have a question for you, Owen; because you're a former JW as well as just being very knowledgeable about pretty much every aspect of the JW cult, I read somewhere years ago that JW entire doctrine, dogma, etc., was predicted upon old, "corrupted Roman Catholic scripture" that the Vatican threw out well over at least a century or so ago. Do you know anything about this? With the way they've alway seemed to hate Catholics, this seems quite incongruous to me; any thoughts?
I think the dog is chewing the leash
Right. “I am one of jehova’s witnesses” comes with the presupposition that jehova is a real god. The interlocutor won’t call that out.
“I am officially certified in bhudda’s alien autopsy program.”
One of the things that pushed me out of Christianity was Christians’ reactions to a chronic illness that runs in my family. The kindest reaction was a lady who said she would pray that the demons would be defeated by God. (Stupid, but at least she meant well) The worst was the person who said that every unwell member of my family was that way because my Mom stopped being a Christian and if we converted her back, God would heal all of us. (What the fuck kind of God do you worship?) Standard was saying that God was using our illness for his glory and/or we were sinning somehow and needed to repent and draw closer to God.
The other thing that pushed me out of Christianity was trying to read through the entire Bible. There are so many horrible stories: Noah’s flood, Joseph selling his people into slavery in Egypt, Moses and the plagues, etc. I never made it through the campaign to conquer the Promised Land before getting so pissed off I wanted to kill someone. (Preferably God.)
Have you read scholarly books on the Bible?
@@misterauctor7353 Yes, I have. I took a religion class in college. We read several books and I wrote essays on what we read. Why do you ask?
@@lakeflutterbyart The way you talked sounded like you didn't.
@@misterauctor7353 My college class wasn’t what bothered me. The behavior of supposedly loving Christians and God acting like a supervillain bothered me far more.
nothing pushed me away from christianity harder than interacting with southern baptists. at the age of 8, i got to spend my bus rides home being yelled at by them about how I'm going to be tortured for all eternity because i don't follow their "loving" god.
Shit, I never realized how similar going the Southern Baptist schools were to Jehovah Witnesses. In the schools I went to, you guys or the Jehovah Witnesses were not "real Christians". What a bunch of BS I believed in for so many years.
Thank you for posting and teaching us about your growing up in this cult.
The Southern Baptists and many Southern Protestants are very similar.
The lady at 16 mins, I thought she said "java's witness." I'll join that club.
Watchtower is Disgusting 🛑
That old dude sounded like Caleb and Sophia's dad, accent-wise.
The answer is Jehovah loves those sweet,sweet tears.Don't forget to tithe.
What is the title of your book?
The only thing I hate about clicking a good anti-religious-cult video is the awful religious and anti-trans ads that are always playing before them!
Cats are superintelligent.
Owen could you look into the People of Praise Cult sometime in the future ?
When I had to go to these fing meetings they didn't have anything like this. Looks like they get right down to the point of what they want you to do.
Where is Lett's answer? Children suffer because they are enemy of Jehovah!
“Enjoy living forever”, or whatever the correct title, I’m stoned now or I wouldn’t be posting this but I MUST say-exclaim really-that I can’t believe that I, or anyone EVER believed or does now, that humans could live forever in human form, or that any god exists, or…ad infinitum…
And I was one of them 😧!
It looks akin to a gentle-leader. Ive never seen them quite like that, but theyre generally better than even a leash on a collar.
The dog looks like he could either be playing with the leash by biting it or it’s kind of a bit that you’d put in a horse’s mouth! It is strange looking.
British comedy: everyone else burns. About a jw like cult. Quite enjoyable and nails some aspects really well
I think I can shed some light onto the age-old question of "Why? Why does a loving Creator give so many people miserable lives?" Before I give my answer, let me say that I love your channel and your no-bullshit approach to JW's and religion in general, even though I'm NOT an atheist; raised a Roman Catholic, I got older and began to question most of their dogma and as a result, I just slowly pulled back and away. However, I AM a very SPIRITUAL man, so I absolutely do believe in God, the "One Source," Yaweh or just "Source," along with Jesus Christ, who was only here to try to teach us that we ALL have God within ourselves, believe it or not; that we as human beings are so VERY POWERFUL, but we've had that shut off by organized religion and world governments. I also believe in an afterlife, absolutely...I had a near-death experience years ago, and it changed me for the better. I was shown that ALL religions have it all WRONG; there IS NO angry, spiteful, vengeful God (or Creator) who's just itching to send us all to Hell for eternity and YET....He loves us! Lol. I believe He does love us, everything is based in love, and we all see, feel, and live that love once we die, BUT...I digress.
We CHOOSE the kind of lives that we live here on Earth before we incarnate here. Earth is a school, and we've all signed up for this, but....we also have free will, which the God source will never interfere with, so we often get off the chosen path, and then the universe gives us a nudge and we're back on track....or let's say that we get murdered by someone else (there's that free will) and it was NOT a part of our life plan; well....our soul simply reincarnates to finish what we need to do. The ones who do terrible things to us, like killing us, well...that may or may not be on THEIR life path; if it was planned, then their victim may have agreed with that soul to be the victim, so the perpetrator could learn from it, likely because in THEIR previous life here, THEY were the one who was killed. Maybe the one they killed had filled THEM in a past life, but it was to learn a karmic lesson from it.
That's what I believe, anyway, and it took me decades to finally arrive at this explanation. I know many would argue everything I wrote here, but....after my NDE years ago, this was the understanding that I returned with; I remember it like it was yesterday, it has remained so very vivid, even after all these years; there's GOT to be something more once we dip out from this planet; the NDE confirmed that belief. You know what the last thing I was told before slamming back down into my body? "Tell the others, there IS no death." For what it's worth.
It’s called a gentle leader for training. I don’t like it but some people do it
Oh btw we don’t use this book anymore. We use a different book 📖 for studies. Try to keep up
The JWs in Laramie, WY are still handing out the What does the Bible Really Teach. I put it on my religion shelf. They look like angels compared to the wanna be Ray Comfort.
Lol I couldn't be one anyways ,I was lousy studying for school...this I wouldn't make it past the first few pages 🤣
JEHOVAH's WITLESS