Why LA's Observatory is Totally "Problematic"
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
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Chapters:
00:39 - The Story of Griffith J. Griffith
03:52 - How Griffith J. Griffith Joined the LA Elite
05:17 - The creation of LA’s Griffith Park
06:09 - The Downfall of Griffith J. Griffith
08:17 - The History of LA’s Observatory
12:33 - LA’s observatory in modern day
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You say “the Atlantic Ocean” is visible from the park. That should be the Pacific Ocean.
LOL
I'm calling the police.
If you look at the mirror on the moon with one of the telescopes, you might get a glimpse of the Atlantic...
It’s a REALLY good observatory.
I had to replay that myself. Even though it is one tiny oversight for a Chicagoan the Atlantic Ocean is far closer than the Pacific Ocean.
Thats truly impressive to see an ocean thats approximately 2700 miles away from an observatory.
Space time was curved just for this purpose.
It wasn’t cheap.
Yes! I find that to be Problematic!
It is on quite a tall hill.
Duh! They use a telescope.
that proves the earth is flat 🤪
I assure you, the Atlantic Ocean is not so visible from the park. It's kind of behind a tree.
Lol
And the earth's curvature! Take that flat-earthers!
Had to replay the part where he said visitors could see the Atlantic Ocean .
I'm not geography professor but somehow it seems highly unlikely folks can see that particular ocean.
I had to do the same. lol
I'M SURE HE MEANT GULF OF MEXICO
LOL, true
At least he didn't say Russia.
That sounds like a pretty good view from 3000 miles away. Well, mistakes happen. Oh well
Incredible !!! The Atlantic Ocean is visible from Los Angeles. That is very remarkable and truly great eye sight. Also a scene in the Rocketeer.
😂😂😂
yeah no. Even if earth was flat, you cant use a telescope to see through mountains lmao plus the weather patterns across the country would prevent
That was best movie filmed there. Well Midnight Madness was awesome too.
Let’s not be ridiculous now. You can only see the Atlantic while using their very powerful microscope, not with your naked eye.
Look east!.
Nice one there, Ryan! Yes you can see the Statue of Liberty in the Atlantic ocean from Griffith Observatory
There I thought the statue is in a river delta. Hmmmm so many new facts today
You can actually ses the Atlantic Ocean from the Observatory, on a Television Monitor located in the Gift Shop.
Wild that with all of Griffith’s paranoia about being poisoned, he failed to realize the one poisoning him was himself.
I thought that by "problematic" you meant putting a telescope right next to a major source of light pollution and air pollution.
was thinking the same thing myself!!!
Me too
There was not nearly as much light when it was installed
@@jackryan152 are you on drugs? there are scientist that say the light pollution around LA is close to 50,000 times what it was in 1900!! and the power company has said electric consumption is up close to a quarter of a million times of 1900's consumption! trust me all that juice ain't going to air conditioning and vibrating beds!!!
I thought it was because math and science are racist now.
I remember going there as a kid growing up in LA. Haven’t been there in years and since the last major renovation/expansion. The Director, Ed Krup (?) and his wife were customers of mine when I worked at Trader Joe’s in Eagle Rock in the 1970’s. One of these days I will go back there.
It was soooo awesome!
Ed Krupp is still the Observatory's director.
I remember visiting the Observatory with my grade school class, and hitchhiking to see “The Flying Burrito Brothers” at a free concert! A fine gift from Mr. Griffith😎🔭🎸
My mom used to take me and my brother to Griffith Park and the Griffith Observatory, she used to love to just walk the grounds and take in the beautiful scenery, there are two ways to get into the Observatory area, one is the main way and most use it, it goes north from Los Feliz Dr and has the famous Greek Theater and a bird sanctuary along it the other is a narrow road that hangs on the hillsides of the park, it passes a couple of old forgotten and closed roads one of which is the road to the old L.A. Zoo, the winding road eventually ends in Burbank just after passing traveltown Walt Disney's former playground, and where it ends you can go right to the Equestrian center left takes you along the wash ending at Barham way or straight under the 101/134 to Riverside dr. Where on one corner is the Walt Disney Studios and across the street is St Joseph's Hospital
Amazing that you can see the Atlantic Ocean!
Wow you can see the Atlantic ocean from LA, that is amazing, especially the Atlantic is 4000km away. I really thought the pacific was more likely. Well one never stops learning. 😮😮😮😅
I was just as shocked as you.
Well, if you take the Observatory's time/space coordinates and multiply them by Planck's Constant, then divide it by a quantifiable number of Kessel run parsecs, it's an undeniable fact!
really big telescopes
@@johnstreet797LOL!😂
🤣
As a native of LA, thank you for this history lesson.
I’ve always loved Griffith Park and the observatory is magic!
Same!
Amazing that visitors could see the Atlantic Ocean from southern California.
That's the Pacific Ocean !!! Dude.
Been to the observatory many times, well worth the time. There are also many hiking trails in the ares from easy to "not so easy." Thanks for posting
Note: Part of the first Termirnator movie was also filmed there.
Were you able to observe the Atlantic ocean from your views?
Can you look through the telescope or is that just decoration?
@dannydaw59 You can look through the telescope, though not sure if this is everyday. They do hold special events for viewing planets and stars, etc. Eclipses as well, but they might not use the telescope for that.
Aside from the telescope though, the museum itself is very expansive and interesting. One of the best astronomy museums in the country featuring older exhibits alongside new ones such as the ones featuring information on the Mars rovers (which were actually built in the LA suburb of Pasadena at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory--that along with the space shuttles were prominent projects built whole or in part around LA tying broadly into local as well national and global history).
The planetarium shows are also among the best. They revamped the older one they had with new technology and storyline a few years ago.
A lot to see and do.
The only things i remember are the planetarium and various scales to measure your weight on different planets. We didnt get to look out of the telescope, though this was a school field trip. I want to say circa 1996 or so.
That and Knott's Berry Farm were great places for field trips......@@brandonhoffman4712
Beijing has one of the very oldest observatories. They invented many instruments. Today it’s in the middle of the city, but has an amazing museum. Griffith observatory is one of the best attractions in the city. I took my first field trip there back around 1972, age 8 there’s a statue of James Dean back there too.
Imagine a time when residents of Los Angeles shunned pompous egomaniacs rather than embracing them.
Imagine a time where it made sence to build an Observatory in Los Freakn Angeles.
@Ichijoe2112 Los Angeles wasn't nearly as large before 1950.
The other observatory he mentioned in the video--Mt. Wilson just a few miles northeast of Griffith Observatory in the San Gabriel Mountains up above the LA suburbs, was used by Edwin Hubble (of space telescope fame) to observe other galaxies besides the Milky Way and note the galaxies moved away from each other.
Einstein used Hubble's observations to support his general theory of relativity by postulating the universe was thus expanding.
In fact Einstein visited Mt. Wilson when he visited the California Institute of Technology in nearby Pasadena.
Of course LA then wasn't the megacity it is today. Still very bucolic, and pastoral in its environs at that point. And the nearby mountains were ideal for telescopes while still accessible from nearby population centers.
An idyllic farm town!
@@Ichijoe2112 While it does not have a dark sky, the 12-inch Zeiss refractor of Griffith Observatory has become the most looked through on the planet. I worked there for 43 years and think it continues to fulfill exactly what Griffith intended it to, and will continue to do so for a long time to come. I met many people who were inspired to do things like create lenses for Mars rovers after having a chance to see the sun's spectrum and the craters of the moon for the first time as small children.
I’m still puzzled at what specifically makes the observatory “problematic”.
click bait
The guy tried to kill his wife tho I like to think of thing like Theres this guys work and then there's the guy himself, his work shouldn't be blamed.
Like many a human being whether they are making a beast of theirselves in life, there are good things that result.
It's really more of a tourist facility than it is a research facility... It's cool, but it's mostly for tourists ✅
I grew up in Hollywood and used to ride my horse on the back trails to the observatory. It was gorgeous and was a reason for my interest in astronomy and cosmology. ❤
Wonderful video. The "t" in "debut" is silent.
My family has been in Los Angeles for 7 generations now that I know of, in California longer. They were involved with civil service, the freeway system and the water system, my great grandmother was interviewed by the people working on LA confidential as I believe the oldest living pensioner at the time (in the 90’s) and widow of a (we believe the first) metal of valor recipient here. LA history is personal to me and yes much of it is shady to say the least but I want my children to know it. As things stand today I don’t know if it’s irresponsible of me as a working class person to keep my family here. Should we stay and fight in whatever small way possible to protect and defend the epic story/ history of this place in hopes that like other low points this too will someday pass (like previous drug and gang epidemics) or should I find a place where my children will more likely be able to someday have a home and start families of their own and live prosperous, reasonably peaceful lives? Even leaving, people around the country are less than welcoming of our kind holding us responsible for some seemingly extreme and often observably failed policies as if it’s truly what we’ve voted for or had any real say in. These policies reflect the funders of California political campaigns, policies are imposed that have 85+ % disapproval among the people but they are not put to any sort of referendum and bills are deceptively written or contain all sorts of hidden nonsense. I’m proud of/ sometimes horrified by/ at times have a dark sense of humor about our history but not ashamed though many feel we should be, there’s much to be proud of, much was accomplished and the rest we can’t change and shouldn’t be allowed to be erased. History is what it is, it holds lessons, lessons I hope we learn the next time we venture to build something great that did not previously exist.
Interesting story behind a Los Angeles icon. Thanks for posting.
Wow.... I've lived in LA all my life, and I didn't know you could see the Atlantic Ocean from Griffith Park.
It requires some squinting.
I grew up going to the Griffith Park Observatory… it was one of my favorite places ever…. I saw all the planets through the telescope and I still LOVE astronomy because of this exposure… It’s so interesting to watch this history!
Interesting video about the history of Griffith Park/Observatory.
P.S. the "t" in "debut" is silent.
His French is shaky.
That one threw me too.
Interesting story. The Observatory was, at least, a monthly destination as a kid by bike, car, bus and yes until '62 by connection of Red car and Yellow car but the last time I went was to see Laserium in the mid-70s. If I make the mistake of going back to L.A., a fresh visit might be in order.
they have made lots of improvements to it.
If you do make that mistake, dont go downtown. You have about the same odds of slipping in homeless shit as you do being able to watch one take one on the street. My cigarette breaks werent fun when i worked on michel jordans 23 gym thing downtown. I watched on pop a squat on the other side of a fence from me.
Absoloutley horrible. 0/1million star review.
Best thing about this observatory in modern times is its use in The Rocketeer final set piece. Great movie!
I'm reminded of the time I was driving a public transit bus from suburban Toronto to Niagara Falls.
An American woman asked me which of the bus offered the best view of the ocean.
I asked her, "Which one? Atlantic or Pacific?"
Wow...if you can see the Atlantic ocean from the observatory it must be very high up 🙂
lmao, Pacific
Or *Ryan* must be very high up!
I loved this place as a kid. I remember a movie called I Spy, where the observatory was blown up. And then there's that Star Trek episode when the crew traveled through time and strange things happened at the observatory. But I had no idea about this history! Thanks so much for this.
I love the Griffith Observatory, it use to have an awesome laser light show called Laserium.
I had full run of the place while it was closed, since I was working on their HVAC systems during the renovation. There are some _really_ cool places in there! I still ride my bike up there regularly just to enjoy the day and the view. Los Angeles had some real characters in her history, that's for sure! Thomas Ince and his wife come immediately to mind. But Griffith left us one of the largest city parks in the US, and we get an educational observatory and mountain lions there as a bonus!
I remember when it closed for renovations, it seemed like it was closed forever. It was well worth the wait.
10:26 lol “day-byu-ted” for “debuted” is cracking me up bc that’s the mood i’m in. (it’s day-byooed)
I can also see Russia from the eagles’ nest of LA. But seriously, wonderful expose of an iconic landmark. Thanks for posting this. You get a mulligan.
It's wonderful that this beloved site has been a joy for so many. In the 1950s I loved this place as a child, especially the astronomy shows. Despite himself, Griffiths managed to create good.
Thoroughly enjoyed watching this. Thank you.
As a supporter and subscriber to this channel, my question is why the need for a clickbait title?
How is the misbehavior of the Observatory's namesake over 100 years ago "problematic" in the _present_ tense?
Sadly, many people are looking at history through a modern lens.
I like it. It’s one of the few places in LA that the homeless people haven’t taken over.
I love the fantastic views of the Mediterranean Sea and the Indian Ocean 🌊 as well 🤺😛
Atlantic ocean... thats an impressive view. Im sure he meant Pacific, as on a clear day it was a spectacular view
o wow! the observatory was 1 of my fav hikes when i lived in LA. never went inside the building, knew a planetarium was there, or any of this history about Griffiths the man🤯
I think you made a great video here. But as a Star Trek nerd (and a big fan of your vids) I would have liked to have learned about the Leonard Nimoy connection to the 2006 renovations from you, in this vid. But I understand the observatory has a lot of pop culture references and you can't list them all, but come on, it's Star Trek! 😂 😂 Keep these vids coming bud.
IKR?? Where' the NCIS Los Angeles reference?
It was very Beautiful what Griffith J. Griffith said when leaving the Mt Wilson observatory ( paraphrasing ) If only all people have seen what I have seen through this telescope, it would end all wars. He went on to make sure that a planetarium was built ❤
Very interesting! Thank you.
If you want to get there quickly you can crash a blimp into it and glitch into the cutscene
It'd be nice to see content not just from NYC, LA and Chicago. 👀
Wow, I’ve been there a few times and I never seen the Atlantic Ocean! I’ll try harder. Next time I go there.!
You have to stand on the roof of the dome. Try it!
The Griffith Observatory is awesome, at least it was in the 60s.
It was also featured in an episode of The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
And the 1930s 'Flash Gordon' shorts !
@@mrb.5610 It also appeared in Rebel Without a Cause (1955) and Phantom from Space (1953).
Great Episode. Also featured in GTA V.
The City thought of selling some of the land in the park to offset some of the costs and the family said" if you wish to break the terms of the gift fine but now it belongs to us and we will be very happy to have it back" the city said "Never mind ,sorry we just forgot about the terms of the gift" "you guys are still alive".
Thanks for sharing. The park is such an oasis of natural for those who live nearby. Great the family is still watching.
Greetings. I worked there, at the G.O., from 1970-1976, and went to UCLA with its Director, Dr Ed Krupp, who has been there a very long time. I keep in contact with many of the previous employees who are still alive, such as Art Johnson, Stan Seeberg, Ron Oriti, Steve Cooperman, and so forth. It was a golden time. I spent my career teaching astronomy and physics at the college level for 45 years. I am now retired and living in Tucson, Arizona, the capital of Astronomy. - Dr Dave Menke, Tucson.
I saw Jupiter at Griffith after the comet Shoemaker hit! It was awesome. ☄️
GTA V and Mafia taught me well
You can see the Pacific Ocean, NOT the Atlantic as you said, yes, I rewinded and listened to it 3x
At 13:25 you say "Atlantic Ocean" is visible. It should be "Pacific Ocean".
I was a bit thrown of guard but you guys are missing the whole point of the video. It was actually very awesome. Born and raised in Hollywood, the Observatory was my Disneyland. We went there every other weekend before it got jammed packed with obnoxious people. I never knew the background of Griffith J. Griffith. So this was very awesome to hear the story of one of my most beloved places. Thank you.
Oddly enough I only recognize the Griffith Observatory from when Adele did a concert there a couple of years ago. I didn't know much about it until this video and knew it seemed familiar.
Great analysis, excellent attention to detail. You know enough to teach geography and astronomy at university level
The Adele concert at Griffith Observatory was epic
I’d go back if I missed an Atlantic view!😁 almost as good as running into James Deans Ghost or Arnie Flashing in next to the parking lot.
That’s some crazy vantage point if you can see the east coast from LA lol
It may be a little-known fact but an episode of "Star Trek Voyager" Futures End Part 1 (S3, E8) was also filmed at the Griffith Observatory. I throw that out for trivia.
It's not worth throwing out, you really should hold onto it 😛
Starfleet HQ, and the garden where Janeway had conversations with Boothby, is located about 12mi northwest of the Griffith Observatory, at the Donald C. Tillman water treatment plant.
It's pretty amazing that you are able to see the Atlantic Ocean from Los Angeles, California.
When I was there,you couldn't even get a glimpse of the Pacific ocean, because of the smog!
I didn't know that you could see the Atlantic Ocean from the LA hills?
When I think of the observatory the first thing that comes to my mind is GTAV
I know it's high in the mountains, but I'm not sure you can see the Atlantic Ocean from LA.
The Atlantic Ocean is visible from the park? 13:20 ? That's incredible !
Damn...that's a hell of a view if you can see the Atlantic Ocean from LA! I knew what you ment though.
I believe you meant to say the *Pacific* ocean is visible from the Observatory. If you matriculated through Los Angeles Unified School District (during the 1960s-1980s) you probably took a field trip to the Observatory. It's really a fascinating place to visit. I love the scales that represent each plant where you may weigh 7 pounds or 1500 pounds (depending on the planet). *Good video and very informative.*
One of my favorite places I'd go to as a teenager and adult to share with my kids when I lived in L.A. County
Great video 📹 😊👍
Born n raised in Hollywood I had many dates here lol at night it’s amazing ❤
I was up there w. my kids a few months ago. We are from San Diego. Some scenes from the Movie Rebel w/o. a cause were filmed up there. Nice views from up there.
ATLANTIC OCEAN!?? OOPS! It's the Great Pacific Ocean my friend. Great video
Personally, I only visit historical sites that are "problematic." I do it just to get the people who use the word "problematic" angry. And I post the photos online. 😂
I first went to the observatory on a 5th grade field trip in the late 1970s. Most recently, I like to go hiking there with my son. I never remember having to pay for parking thiugh. Further, it's obviously the Pacific Ocean that, on clear days, is visible.
13:23 "...and the Atlantic Ocean are visible from the park." Dude, how can you screw that up?
Great presentation Ryan!
Some hokey flaws… but, they are you!
Every presentation comes with personality… 😃
What other flaw besides the Atlantic Ocean is there??!!
I remember it in rocketeer and terminator films.
I love Griffith Park and the observatory, but I always wondered if it could see through all the light pollution we have now. I was too poor to get to go inside when I lived in L.A. but I would hang around outside and enjoy the day. Next time I go to L.A. it's going to be my number one priority.
it has always been free entry
@@tarat.8475 I didn't know that then, there was something I wanted to do that did cost money but I forgot what it was, it was the 80s. The last time I was there there was a long line of people paying for something so I thought that was normal. Thanks!
I was homeless and a teen and used to thinking that I couldn't or shouldn't go anywhere nice, so I probably assumed.
@@0therun1t21 aww, i'm sorry you had to go through or felt that way... the lines were probably for the Laserium, which was really cool, i miss those shows. but between the parking and the crowds, it's too much of a hassle to go anymore. i used to go all the time on a whim because it's right by my house.
The Amazing Colossal Man, visited there in 'War Of The Colossus Beast'!!!
Once every 4 years on April 1st. If it is a very clear day. You can see the Indian Ocean, from Griffith Observatory. You only need to stand on your head, and squint.
The observatory has a huge scene in the movie Moon Fall! One of the few films to also film inside
The Observatory is my most favorite place in the region. The cafe is way overpriced, though.
The view of watching the city come to life in the evening is magical.
What song is playing at 7:26 ?
Great views of the Atlantic Ocean there for sure!
I only know this place because Of Rebel Without A Cause, great video
It's Mafia II and GTA IV for me😂
13:17 With views of the ATLANTIC Ocean....
Thats one Hell'va Observatory there Doc!
At 13:22 that would be the Pacific ocean, not the Atlantic -- and the "t" is silent in debuted.
I used to hike up there and on clear mornings you could definitely see the Atlantic ocean
Then there was that scene in the movie Terminator. "Give me your cloths." -The Governornator
Now I know why it was closed when we visited in 2002. Thank you
Anything and anyone from long ago or far away will not comply with our current tastes or morals.
And history foretells that our current tastes and morals will be shunned by future generations.
The east coast of the United States has the Atlantic Ocean and the west coast is the Pacific Ocean
GREAT VIDEO!
It's hilarious that calling something "PROBLEMATIC" makes it so much more interesting!
IMHO
Wow you must have really I mean really good vision if you can see the Atlantic Ocean from the observatory lol, really really good.
Man I didn’t know I could also see NYC from the Griffith observatory.