Film Theory: Joker Ending Explained (ft. Pitch Meeting)
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This video contains spoilers! I've seen the new Joker movie a few times now and, oh boy, does it make my Theorist brain go! There is SO MUCH to this movie and because of that I want to break down the full movie - especially that ending! If you were confused about what was real and what was only in the mind of our titular character, I've got you covered!
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Writer: Matthew Patrick
Editors: Dan "Cybert" Seibert, Koen Verhagen, Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick, and BanditRants
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This was an awesome breakdown
Yoos
Totally
*Spoiler alert*
Do not read if you have not seen it.
Interesting question if Arthur is the Thomas son.
Just saw it yesterday. Need to watch it again to solve this mystery. I will have to analyze the Penny hand writing in letters to Thomas and compare it with the hand written "TW" note on the back of the black&white photograph. It will give us some more insight to solve this interesting script twist :)
*noticable agreement*
This was the best supervillain movie ending I’ve ever seen not even close
Who else thought arthur was just stomping on trash out of anger
Lol same
+Xiryzzz
I honestly thought he was curb stomping someone outback.
Yeah, he very clearly wasn't killing anyone. There really isn't anything to suggest he did. There was no legs or arms or anything coming out from behind the dumpster and it just sounded and looked like him kicking trash.
Pretty sure he was, I think matpat has actually misunderstood that scene, I interpreted it that he was stomping on the trashbag that he'd thrown his clown outfit into after being fired, as we never saw the outfit again after that.
Same
He blew Murray’s mind with that joke
Thats absolutely hilarious because you meant that literally
@@shaunhalstead5439 great job mate you got the joke
Shaun Halstead Sherlock Holmes I presume?
Lol
@@shaunhalstead5439 (IN DRAX'S VOICE)
Honestly, I only hear people talk about the Murray scene. But the scene that got me the most was the reveal with Sophie. He breaks into her apartment, and you think "okay, they are together so maybe its not that creepy." and then she walks in and screams. She only knows him from the hallway earlier in the film. She doesn't even really know his name. IT then flashes to all the scenes we've seen her in, revealing that she wasn't there. Only Arthur.
that was great
Little by little, you were becoming…
Tyler Durden
"So how did the Joker get revenge?"
"Super easy, barely an inconvenience."
"Oh really?"
"He just said 'You get what you f*cking deserve', did a back flip, snapped the bad guys neck and saved the day!"
I’m dying 😂😂😂
LOOOOLLL i am a fan of his work and that is basically him in a nutshell
\
Tell us more lie stories
Oh wow wow wow………………wow
*The Waynes walking out of a theater and turning down a dark alley*
Me: Awww shit, here we go again
Bruce just can't catch a break can he?
Lmao
HELL NAW HE CANT
Honest the God I don't know why I didn't see that scene coming when it happened. But out of all the reimagining of their death this was my favorite because now there's a legitimate reason behind it and one of the biggest superhero and villain rivalries is now reborn.
@@larontezmoore3313 I'm ok with it in relation to this movie, but Joker having a special connection to Batman due to the Wayne murders isn't my thing/jam.
Remember Joker was so sad when he found out he wasn't really dating the girl because his mom did the same thing with Thomas Wayne
this whole movie is really just sad
I wonder if he ever did something to the girl... probably not.
@@judgment5090 ??? What ???
@@judgment5090 i dont think so, cuz....alright i got nothing, but it would be pointless for him todo so
@@judgment5090 I remember the next scene is him in his apartment having that realization that they never spent time together, and then you can see police car lights shining through the window. Who knows, the police could be there for him or something unrelated. Creepy though
I think the final scene was the biggest joke of all because earlier in the movie, the city had cut funding for the meds & social support he was receiving. He was playing by the rules, working, generally trying to do good but they cut him off. It wasn't until he snapped & started killing people & wreaking havoc on the city that they gave him back the meds and services again.
Sounds about right as in..true to life
What I understood.
Arthur apparently didn't have any history, his origin was a null.
When his mental illness was spiralling down, he didn't have a family to look up to.
He wanted to be a good, civilised person with reputation in the society.
But the constant abuse broke his will power, pushed him towards a bipolar situation and ultimately made him choose the darker side.
Like most serial killers, who find solace and pleasure by killing and mutilating humans.
Arthur was also pushed into such a state.
He lost all his empathy and felt good with killing.
Awesome movie!
If arthur lost all his empathy why didn't he killed the little guy who is the only one that treated him nicely?
@@tinypuffs1467 Because it’s what you said Gary was the only one who was nicer to author and not everybody to the society author didn’t fully transformed into the joker yet we see his process into the joker.
E
He just need weed that kept me from turning out like him.
@@rebeccamatyas691 does not always work plus you being a women you are less prone to violence
When Arthur lost both his job and his mom, you could say he was "penniless"
@Arxx Fury underrated comment right there
Wise words
joey boiii good bit it’s not not clever😂
I-
AYYYYYYE
"Scene cuts to Arthur stomping on a body"
I thought that was just him stomping on trash because he was angry.
Literally me too, I was so confused when mat said that
Lol Same
Bruh also
That's cus he was just kicking trash
Same
Dang Ryan George is getting good at making it seem like there are two different people, almost seemed like Matpat was really there
Yeah it really seemed like it was actually Matpat but then screenwriter guy said he’s not Matpat so obviously it can’t be him
Matpat and Ryan crossed the youtubeverse.
I really want to see a batman movie set in this timeline, seeing how everything with the joker effects Bruce Wayne after he grows up would be amazing
This is, if any of that actually happened obviously
Could be really tragic if they do a more empathetic batman than the dark gritty Batman we always get in live action movies.
Joker finally gets the kind of person he would have needed in his life back when he was Arthur but it's far far too late.
So, Arthur tries to destroy Batman's empathy for him, out of denial, because he simply cannot face someone genuinely trying to help him while he's "lying there dying on the street" after everything he's done and the bridges he's burned. It ruins the self justification he constructed for his actions and would force him to honestly face what he's done, so he runs deeper into it. Joker convinces himself that Batman is awful, he's just pretending not to be.
@@GentlemensClubHolyEdition Yeah, wanted to make this point but nowhere up top to do so. If all of this was fake, then are Bruce Wane's parents really dead? This doesn't reflect batman at all. At least some of the plot points in the movie must have been real or it was just a guy in an asylum making stuff up and the whole "BATMAN" cant actually happen...
How will this tie into the whole DCU? Don't get me wrong, there were defiantly parts of the film that were hallucinations but surly not all of it...
@@user-pb7tp7ns1r What, the question to ask is how would a new batman tie into this lol, and I think it could make for a really interesting story
This movie felt like an entire season of a tv show
Factss
THAT’S WHAT WAS SO WEIRD!!!
It all makes sense now...
That's what makes it so good
Joker Kills Murray HD Here ruclips.net/video/Tc6jY3TM2R4/видео.html
“So he had a pillow fight with his mother to thank her. Penny loses”
Mikeology sudden death GO
she was so nice that let her son Win the pillow fight
Shame she lost. It could’ve harmed her health... badly.
Meanwhile he actually just suffocated her while she was asleep
@@dragonk5543 She was not asleep. She was awake and concious when he took the pillow.
I love how this movie kinda gave you the backstory of the joker while still keeping the question of "or is it?"
The best answer is always a multiple choice
Mat is the only human being who can turn any video under 5 minutes into a 20 to 30 minute breakdown.
The most shocking information I learned while this movie:
Joaquin Phoenix is younger than Jared Leto
Tf really
Aitz yup 3 yrs older
Which is why Leto is better suited as a vampire
For reals
What
“Joker was an amazing film that I never want to see again”
- My father
rewatching it takes away the awestruck-ness
Me
Me too though
Lol
@@niceguysfinishlast Watched it a dozen times, didn't change for me.
Hands down, this joker movie is my favorite movie of all time. I have never seen such a masterpiece of a movie. The directing, the sounds, the lighting effects, the soundtracks and songs, the performance, the plot, the character development of arthur, how any person could relate to how arthur feels during the whole movie. It's just perfect movie with 0 flaws.
I kinda love the idea of pasting this concept onto the traditional portrayal of the joker. Like the one going toe to toe with batman. Thinking of him hallucinating a fantasy version of all of their interactions is so cool and disturbing. And Kinda explains his actions a little bit more then just, "he crazy".
Like how he always treats batman like a friend hes just playing a game with, even though batman is so cold to him. If HE is hallucinating different reactions and words from batman, it kinda makes more sense.
I don’t think the scene with him laughing at the wrong beats of the standup comedians jokes was fake. I just think that scene was to show how different he is from everyone else
I agree. I felt like that scene was trying to show Arthur's attempt at being the same as everyone but he's clearly not and thus he laughing at the wrong time and even writing in his journal to "make eye contact" when doing standup
Yahya Al
Yeah, I read it as him having some sort of inability to interpret humor so he was taking cues from the people around him and following their lead.
He didn't understand what the people regarded as funny and only laughed at the "jokes" that he thought was funny. I'm surprised that the comedian didn't call him out for ruining his jokes xD
I was convinced this was the case and seeing that part in this video confused me for a moment. I believe as well that the scene with the comedy stand up is real. He is completely detached from everybody else (he did refer to himself as being a mentally-ill loner) and this scene shows that he is not in sync with the rest (society).
I thought the same, because from what I remember, other people were looking at him like "wtf mate?" it was very awkward.
I don't think Arthur was stomping on a body. I think he was literally just stomping on a trash bag.
AyKay imagining it was his boss I guess
I agree - it was just him angry and venting on trash.
You can see an ancle
He just wants his theory to be true
I agree it's just the garbage
I have never seen any YT crossovers as friggin awesome as the two versions of Joker film theory/pitch meeting. You guys are the best. More please!
69 likes haha funny number
18:00 We don't know what the meds were. However, there are a number of anti-psychotics which lower your drive, ambition, etc. It's possible that being off the meds has deleted that filter and made him more assertive. It's also possible that 'standing up for himself' as he sees it when he kills the three Wayne Enterprise guys has made him far more confident.
This movie was so sad . There was literally no happy parts and the only part that was happy was fake
Good
that’s why it’s so perfect
Thats the reality a lot of people live thru 🥺
I mean... It is drama/tragedy so...
Him killing Murray was pretty great.
"I've never heard him cry, he was always such a happy boy."
The haunting revelation that this is because his whole life, Arthur could only express his pain and sadness through laughter.
UGH
Fuck, this is a stolen comment, good one.
Never mind you just copy pastad:)
Actually I just copy pasted my myself among several different videos hahaha
JelloG haha omg sorry
I agree with your overall thesis. However, I tend to think that Thomas Wayne may actually be his father. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that a rich and powerful man lock up a woman he had a child with in an insane asylum. Penny alludes to it when she says that she was forced to sign papers that it wasn’t true, and also the picture she had signed by a TW, presumable Thomas Wayne. Of course, she may have written it herself, but the possibility still exists that Wayne is actually Arthur’s father. We have no way of knowing, just like we don’t know how much of the film is actually real, which in my opinion makes it a brilliant movie. We don’t know if we’re seeing hallucinations or reality, and we don’t know who is lying and telling the truth. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter if Wayne is actually his father but the mere possibility opens up a potential rivalry with Bruce that may play out in a future film if DC decides to extend Arthur’s universe.
The Joker's past is not really supposed to be known. I think they did something impressive by keeping his past ambiguous while simultaneously exploring it.
Thomas Wayne could have easily doctored the documents. Someone with his level of social/political power (and clearly wrapped in so much corruption it's second-nature to him) could easily do this with the intent of stomping out a potential wrinkle in his political career. But on the other hand, he could be telling the truth when he's confronted - trying to get rid of said wrinkle by giving it what it wants in the hopes that'll put an end to all of this.
Regardless, it's clear (at least in this "universe") that the Joker and Batman have an important tie to one-another through Thomas Wayne. Whether it's a genetic tie or not doesn't change all of it being fan-service though. :P
The adoption story Thomas Wayne presented seems the least likely, given that in order to adopt a child you would most likely have to pass a psych evaluation. In addition, it's quite rare for a young, unmarried woman, working as a live-in maid to want to adopt a child at that stage in her life. Some of the court documents also stated Penny's boyfriend physically abused her and the child, when Arthur meets Thomas in the bathroom he is immediately met with violence, it's very likely he was the un--named abusive boyfriend.
That means joker and batman are related??
I don't know if it was ever done in the comics, but I find the idea that Batman and Joker might be brothers absolutely brilliant. The scene when Arthur met Bruce was in a way very tense and touching.
@@christianalvarez3471I agree with you that in the 80s especially, she would not have been able to adopt, and that with his money and power, Wayne had her committed and faked adoption papers. I don’t think Wayne was the abusive boyfriend, though. A woman in her position, and mental state after what happened with Wayne, would be a magnet for horrible men.
I like how they handled the fantasy elements instead of them going "And it was all a dream" as words coming up on screen.
Ending explained:
Arthur has a split personality and throughout the movie we are watching him "die" and Joker come to the forefront.
Evidence in brief:
Arthur is right handed, Joker is left handed.
Arthur's notebook has two different writing styles.
Arthur's body language is hunched and defeated, Joker's is flamboyant and makes full use of his body's motion.
If you watch closely you can see the moments he shifts from one to the other. Most clearly in the scene after his delusion at the Pogo club. He's writing jokes at the table and shifts from Arthur -right-handed, frustrated, and light writing - to Joker - flamboyant, left-handed, and bold large writing.
By the ending Joker is at the forefront and Arthur is gone. Thus the end scene in Arkham which is a delusion. Arkham looks different in this scene and Arthur shifts from laughing painfully to laughing because it's funny. His bloody footprints signify Arthur's death and Joker's "birth."
Good one.
fuck thats good
you might have a good point!
If you were a woman, i'll marry you for this
I agree however I believe that Arthur was killed before the ending in particularly after he kills his mother. This is because after this he is way more confident and he also kills for a reason and accepts himself as being the starter of the joker riots.
This is shown when he went to the murray show and changed his mind from killing himself to killing Murray and this would also explain why he admitted to killing the 3 Rich idiots because as I said he accepted being the starter of a revolution but also because he submitted to joker he felt like he had nothing to lose. Which as we can see from the comics and all the other movies with joker, jokers thing he does what he does because he gets a kick out of it and if he dies during the process he doesn’t care.
His delivery of the line "you get what you F*cking deserve!" Still gives me chills. The way he delivers most of his lines is fantastic.
Same here. I wanna watch it again but it freaks me out, lol
The voice crack he does in that scene is amazingly timed.
I love that line
The hard fffffff in FFFUCKKNG DESERVE. 😰😱
@zonald trumpet wrong movie lol
Maybe it’s just me but as soon as I saw Arthur let Gary go after killing Randall, a lightbulb went off in my head…”We just met the Penguin!” Arthur’s only friend happens to be a short, bald man with hands that looked oddly like flippers, has a nose like a beak and waddles when he walks (no offense to the actor Leigh Gill) but that is just too spot on to be a coincidence in my world. I’m hoping this plays out in the sequel.
Right. Need to keep the villain prequels going.
More like kids, no? Cause he looked like a kid.
I don't think this is a Joker origin story. I think it's the fantasy a troubled man uses to cope with his life by being this important figurehead and taking control of his life. The real Joker believes that everyone is just like him underneath their masks and I think this movie is playing with that idea. Could also be a commentary on the fans of the joker character that almost idolize him.
At least Murray was more open minded after the interview
lmao underrated comment
🥁 🐍
you did not lololol
Ohhh, I get it
If only Arthur had said this line in the movie lol 😅🤷🏾♂️☠️
"All it takes is just.. one.. bad.. day."
-Joker
That was true
This just makes this movie way more meta.
That's why i love the scene in this movie where Arthur says "I had a bad day"
I like more the longer version:
All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.
Except the Joker has never had a good day, only bad days
6:08 "Shockingly terrible security."
Yeah, you will find that was true for pretty much everywhere before 9/11.
A crazy man broke into Buckingham palace and entered the Queen's bedroom not just once, but twice - which fans of The Crown are aware of.
Similar stories of atrocious security can be heard in interviews with criminals who lived back in the 60's through the 90's.
Don't forget that John F Kennedy was killed because he was riding around in a convertible. While not identical to Franz Ferdinand, the lesson had yet to be learned after 50 years.
I know that those stories don't have to do with the security of a building, but overall security was often a facade for anyone of ill intent.
Also the fact Wayne doesn't have bodyguard
I’d add D.B. Cooper’s air piracy as an example
The fact that he was no longer "medicated", is what allowed his behavior of the ending, the extreme manic episodes were the result of not being hampered by meds.
Also I loved how even in a Joker orgin story Bruce's parents had to die again.
They kind of deserves it in this movie
Next batman movie gonna cover it again. At this point bruce gonna just yeet them himself.
They always die no matter what. That alley draws them in then WHAM! Batman is born.
@@Asset80 Yeah but like, they're Uncle Ben at this point. Why don't the movies ever pull a homecoming and just brush right past that fact? (Aside from Lego Batman and even then that kinda doesn't count.)
I was kinda surprised when this happened but it was pretty cool and made sense too
"The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth"
Where's this quote from?
@@chriskadiya3297 It's an African Proverb, it's actually "The child who is not embraced by the village..."
is that a naruto reference?
@@jackchojnacki3818 oh ok thanks man.
@@jackchojnacki3818 I knew I got something wrong in it, cheers mate!
That entire intro is by far my favourite you've ever done. Love it. The humour is fantastic
Joker movie wasn't the Joker's imagination. Well let me explain to ya'll.
In the last scene of the movie, we saw the Joker laughing over a joke and then when the therapist asked him if he's gonna talk to her, the Joker replied "You wouldn't get it". The Joker was simply thinking about his past. Yep ladies and gentlemen, the Joker movie was real but it already happened and the Joker was simply thinking about his past all the time while sitting in the asylum in front of the therapist. This also explains why all the clocks were set at the same time. The clocks were set as if they were smiling. Actually Joker was laughing through those clocks while remembering his past.
So the Joker movie was real and all the events of that movie actually happened. But we were watching the movie through the Joker's head as the Joker was simply remembering his past. This explains why "that's life" was playing in the background in that scene. Because everything that happened before that scene was simply the Joker's life. Also notice that Joker looked slightly more grizzled and older in that scene than in all the previous scenes. Indicating that all the previous scenes of the movie happened a long time ago. This theory also explains why there was a scene showing Thomas Wayne and his Wife dead. The Joker was simply laughing at Thomas because of how stupid Thomas was.
Now this theory of mine has to be true, otherwise the whole plot of the movie doesn't make any sense. C'mon now, it's a movie about the Joker's life and not about the Joker's imagination. So I hope that I've finally given a perfect explanation to the ending of the movie.
I actually believe you 99%
to say, "oh it was all a crazy mans dream", leaves us unsatisfied, and then we might fade in to a theory similar to yours...and back again. I think this was a clever intentional ending...as it does actually work either way, and it gives us a part to play in the story i,e,.. May each person enjoy his own ending.
Well thank you for clearing it up I can now finally rest now. Happy new year everyone
@@folieadeux0531 Did you burst any fireworks on new year's day mate?
@@folieadeux0531 I hope you didn't cause it's pretty bad and painful for animals.
Having an imaginary girlfriend is such a relatable gamer thing
That's really sad, maybe embracing technology wasn't such a good idea
@a bean r/airplanemotorwhooosh
You not lying mines a waifu furry
MY WAIFU IS REAL !
Such an epic gamer move
We know the riots were real because batmans parents actually die
Electro Spot 🤦♂️ dude obviously. That was Bruce
Or he took real events and worked them in his fantasies.
So he heard of the riots and Wayne's death and in his mind he put himself as the one who killed the bankers and the the symbol of the riot
But his parents killed by a random robber in most versions.
Could it be that he just fantasized about them being killed by a "clown" after hearing about their deaths?
This is what l thought.
@@shinobu3617 no, that's too random. Joker is a real criminal based on the facilities that's hes in.
Fun fact: since the death of Bruce Waynes parents is cemented on one specific date (I believe it's June 8th) no matter what version of the story it is means that we know what night the late night show is on canonically!
OMG YES RYAN GEORGE!! Getting him on the channel was probably super easy, barely an inconvenience.
"I used to think my life was a Cringe Compilation. But then I realized, it's a Try Not To Laugh"
I thought my life was a Let's Play. Then I realized it was an Any% Speedrun.😀
More like "I used to think my life was an adventure. But then I realized, it's a survival"
That was good 😂
You mean a try not to commit die
Its_frosty a “try not to commit no oxygen” I would call it
I think the final joke when he says "you wouldn't get it" is over thought too deeply. I think it has a more simple meaning. In the early stages of the movie when the news broadcasts the three men dying, Arthur laughs and his mother says "that's not funny." In the bathroom Thomas Wayne says "you think that's funny?" One of the three guys he killed says "what's so funny." The entire movie his humor (or condition) isn't funny to the rest of the world, so at the end he just came into terms that no one else will laugh being "You wouldn't get it" his final conclusion.
Uncle Skint thats just totally deep
It could just be that.
Yu just over thought that tho
Sean Mullins not really. I just gave explanation to my thesis. Kind of how things work
@@uncleskint4861 ironic...
My personal theory about this movie is that when we saw Arthur create the Joker persona, he created something bigger than himself. With the whole clown movement, it inspired mentally insane people in the future to take on the Joker identity later on when Bruce Wayne (shown as a kid in the movie) grows up and becomes Batman. Maybe he's the reason behind the 3 jokers
You’re awesome Mat and so is everyone on your team! I’m very grateful to have the opportunity to watch your content!!
So the entirety of Joker is just Arthur Fleck having an argument in the shower with his shampoo bottles?
Ive suspected that it's more likely that the only true sequence could be those breif flashes of a mental institution. The scene at the end and another flash scene with him banging his head on a window. And everything is his fabrication and might just be the reality his head is in at the moment.,
I’m sure there was a Wilson volleyball there at some point too.
I still like to think he blasted Murray on live TV
No, no. It was much wider scaled.
The two-in-one bottles also got involved.
Soap bars chimes in.
Hair brushes eavesdropping.
Pretty soon, the whole bathroom was screaming.
@MuffinBean :D lmao 😂
“It takes a village to raise a child, a child that is not embraced by the village will burn it to the ground to feel its warmth”
God I love this quote
Yup this perfectly describes what happened
Reminds me of gengish khan. Everyone turn on him and his family. So he burned everything. Then made laws to make sure that never happened to anyone else.
Maybe Im wrong but also Mansa Musa
Does anyone know from where this qoute is from? I'd like to watch the movie / read the book/ inform myself about the person who said it/ etc.
It has been a while since this video came out so this will probably be a mute point, but it’s fully possible that Arthur realizes he doesn’t know if any of it was real. The joke could be between the real him and the imagined him. If he really is Joker, it’s a funny idea that it was all in his head. If he is actually Arthur, it’s funny that he put himself, a relative nobody, as this famous person. The cut to Bruce with his killed parents is likely to say “How would he know this happened?”
Much like everytime we have seen the origins of the Joker, it is all subjective to his narrative, which is ever changing due to his psychosis.
Fantastic breakdown Matpat!
“What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a system that treats him like trash? You get what you deserve! “ Favorite line
its society
Mine too
Don't forget to make sure that there are little to no laws stopping the violent and mentally ill from owning guns.
Graka G nigga what
@@yew2oob954 *cough* in America. *cough*
Murray: "You think that killing those guys is funny?"
Joker: "I do. And I'm tired of pretending it's not."
Thats me ( and everyone ) everyday
@@lucas-xf7rc incel found
@@jakemolina7505 realy your going with that?
maybe we realy are all just a bunch of clowns
@@timvanrijn8239 yes incels are clowns just like this manifesto called Joker
@@jakemolina7505 hello thomas wayne.
dude its not a manifesto. if it where a ''incel manifesto'' whouldnt they focus on the romantic realtionship.
instead of the theme that this man need help.
7:06
So, this explains why Joker's backstory is so complex. It's *literally* multiple choice.
what1???
@@TewityPlays joker doesn't have an identity like batman (bruce), superman (clark)... He has multiple backstories and nobody, not even him, knows which is true
20:40 the perfect duo
“Joker is way too violent for younger viewers. May seem disturbing to watch if you are a child”
Me: ....yeah... that what rated R means...
Its more disturbing then violent when you consentrate on the story and ewery thing
@@m0li you're gonna have to rephrase that last part it made no sense
Ryguy K ok boomer
Im 13 and i saw it and loved it
I watched it with my 4 year old cousin.
This whole movie can be summed up by Heath Ledger's Joker "Do I really look like a guy with a plan".
Kind of ironic considering Ledger’s Joker actually did have a plan, like he planned everything in The Dark Knight.
@@stepkickking9868 other then the bank robbery, he really doesn't have a plan.... only chaos
@@prue5588 he planned everything and was every step of the way. He's a walking paradox, that's the point
@@mzc102908 "Some men just want to watch the world burn." But you're right....
Fair enough
Ryan George and MatPat do stuff so well together
Ah the good ole, “it was all a dream” story. Classic
"He becomes the leader of this public rebellion"
"Good for him"
That's Hitler
@@clementthangtinkhum7690 Could also be Lenin.
@@krel7160 it can be a lot of people
It worked well in Persona 5
Could be Jesus.
"Stomping on a body"? He was stomping a trash bag as far as I could tell.
Lute Philips yeah I thought that was kind of a stretch. I just watched it and that scene just seemed like him taking out his rage on inanimate objects like he does a million times in this movie
j mula Oh he's the complete opposite of an idiot. He just made an idiot mistake
It was very clear not stomping on a body .
Hypster Fall
As I said. Idiotic mistake
He just overcomplicate himself
Seeing a crossover between Film Theory and Pitch Meetings wasn’t something I knew I needed
This was such a great breakdown, almost seems super easy, and made with barely an inconvenience.
Can we just agree that the little person scene was one of the greatest scenes of dark comedy in the last few years? My GOD I was howling.
It was a cute moment hardly a howling moment
You mean the only kind co-worker who he didn't kill in his apartment?
I think he isn't real though. The little guy is actually Arthur himself - the good conscience of Arthur. This would mean, Arthur kissing the guy's forehead as he hush him out of his house is a metaphor of Arthur kissing his good conscience goodbey.
@@OutdatedLeon no, stop making this darker than what it already is.
OF COURSE
same,, but noo my dad called me out for it
I think the ending joke meaning was, Who’s the orphan now? Bruce loses his family, while the Joker finds his. Bruce loses everything, while Arthur gains everything he wants, admiration, mental clarity (well in his mind), and purpose.
We don’t know if it’s 100% in his mind or not.
Actually I don’t believe he associates anything with Bruce directly. I believe that the joke was Thomas that interaction he had with Thomas affected him on a deep level and the fact that his actions inadvertently caused the death of Thomas way pretty much wrote him off as a nobody.
Makes perfect sense as the ending saw a sequence with the Wayne's dead and Bruce standing there, the pearls are broken loose and hit the floor and then we see joker wake up on car bonnet surrounded in glass (representing the pearls) Arthur was a boy who was tortured and abused and and his meeting with Bruce earlier had depth. You wouldn't get it!!!
This makes me 🙂
Honestly I don't think joker had anything to do with Thomas' death directly.He was assuming that it could be because of the riot.we never knew.Who cares he isn't even the actual joker
that line penny loses always gets me
I think that he does do it. Maybe it’s not exactly as he makes it out to be, but it still sets up Bruce as Batman and Arthur as Joker, which kicks off the rest of the stories.
The reason he seems so confident later on the murray show is because hes no longer arthur fleck hes JOKER hes the person hes always wanted to be. Its not too hard to see.
Yeah, he doesn't have anything to lose, after all
Mat's drawing conclusions on evidence that just isn't there.
I think life made him Jocker he never wanted
@@KanaidBlack The most dangerous man is the one with nothing to lose
KanaidBlack yeah he LITERALLY says that
The scene where Joker is in the elevator, completely serious and a man next to him is insane and writhing around will always stay with me
It's like resisting to masturbate on no nut november
The visual storytelling in this film is fantastic. Arthur’s maladaptive day dreams can be picked out by the way the camera and lighting change. It’s warmer and clearer than reality. Limitless (the TV show) used similar cinematography to show when Brian was on NZT vs off NZT
I wasn’t expecting Ryan George but am DEEPLY Happy to see him here
The stairs in the Joker are symbolic of Arthurs mental state. Before Arthur becomes the Joker he is struggling to go up the steps to show his mental sanity, but when he gets fired his sanity goes down like how he goes down the stairs. But when he becomes the joker he goes down the city steps, it is a symbolism of his sanity and mental state going down.
so THATS what the stairs represent! I remember watching the movie and I just knew there was some form of symbolism there
I just thought it was his personally dance floor
And at the top of the stairs when he is dancing down them are two cops aka the real world with real problems and consequences from which he runs from.
That is something English teachers would say if they taught their students this movie 😂
@@irwinanthony1825 Man, I hate English...
He didn't imagine being on the talk show as Joker and killing the host. That really happened for a couple of reasons:
1. When he took a seat, he said that it was exactly like he had imagined it.
2. During the dialogue itself the host was making fun of him and telling him that what he did was wrong. Up until that point all the other delusions / daydreams had him be at the top of the world. Everyone loved him. If that was just a delusion, the host would have praised him for killing all the people he killed. But that hadn't happen. Also, when he kissed the lady, she didn't look like she was all too much into it and was kinda flabbergasted, where where he kissed his imaginary love interest, she was totally into him.
If you think that she looked as if she's into him, boi I have bad news for you.
@@sh0ut4r0 well she did close the door and proceeded to grab onto him so id say she was more or less into it
When he killed the host, it seemed like there was no security in the building. Taking up at least a minute, he shot the host again and strolled up to the camera. And when he was in the cop car, the police man didn't mention the killing he admitted to or the killing of the host, only the riot he caused.
But hes still in the FRIDGE
Also Murray mocks him for using his book to "remember" a "knock knock" joke. Would agree that it is real.
I love this movie, and I've been putting this video off because I thought you'd ruin my own theories, but they're actually really similar. Thanks for the content.
Omg i love the collaboration!!! Honestly couldn't stop giggling at the beginning 😍perfect - barely an inconvenience, really👍
Let’s face it, Joker is not a movie...it’s a piece of art. Genuinely loved every minute of it.
Michael Glynn It’s the best movie I’ve seen in years
Ah a man of culture
This theory was focusing too much on the FALSE hallucinations, and not the actual message.
I get it, it is plausible to assume the 3rd act was all in Arthur's head. But that is a cheap cop out to why Arthur Fleck did what he did on the Murray Franklin show. The film creators are smart, very smart- they knew when to play the "oh that was just a hallucination card" and when not to.
By assuming that the 3rd was a complete hallucination, COMPLETELY demeans the whole story of the POWER of disrespected mental health and the destruction it can cost.
I agree with you it really made you think
Michael Glynn it was pleasantly horrific...and I enjoyed every bit of that ride.
**The Whole video**
“Yes But actually no”
But maybe yes or wait...no.
Definitely, absolutely, probably not.
...Unless...?
I wasn't sure about seeing this movie when it came out. When I saw that it had the attention of the Academy Awards people, I was curious since they don't seem to like anything that normal people heard of. I freaking love this movie and think that Arthur was right when he wrote in his notebook: "The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."
That whole intro is literally this channel. As long as yoy add in that one quote I will hold on to for the rest of my life
'How much time do you go?'
Gold. Pure Gold
He wasn’t fantasizing about killing his boss. He was just taking his anger out on the trash. You can hear the sound of it when he stomps.
Agreed
Piper Macartney-FIlgate of course, it was heavenly
He can't really hear properly how Arthur stomp the trash(something like cans), does he also hypnosis by this movie?
Yess agreed
- boobooman4 - you can see the legs and feet of the body
The Byronic hero element of Joker that I loved most was that he ultimately got what he had always wanted: love, acceptance and even adoration.
When he’s just Arthur Fleck, the world is happening to him. But ultimately he becomes Joker, the character that is adored by the other clown mask wearing masses. He becomes the hero.
The best RUclips crossover of its time. Currently rewatching
I believe when he imitates killing himself before the show, he killed Arthur, so that what remains is Joker
YES . I haven't seen the movie yet..but 100% yes. That's obvious though right
Yup. In that scene he is nervously rehearsing his entrance. Yet when he does come out on the show as full blown Joker, he is incredibly comfortable and confident in himself.
i was thinking that in his mind he was murrEHy and was killing himself, he was like the 2 people at the same time
@_Havu_ That's an interesting observation, but I disagree. Arthur Fleck at the end of the movie and Arthur Fleck at the end, don't seem too different for me. Like, if the Arthur from the beginning time traveled and met the Joker at the end, I don't think he'd be horrified. I feel like he'd be inspired.
I think he was going to kill himself. Atleast he planned to do it. I think thats why he killed the big guy and leave. He was so confident and enjoying his final show. Then he changed his mind when he readed his old joke "I hope my death would make more sense than my life" and he didnt think his death made sense
U forgot about when he scared the dwarf in his house
@just some guy on the internet I felt sorry for the little guy. And the big one too, who was an arsehole but didn't deserve to die. That is when Arthur crossed a line.
_ANCIENT ASTRONAUT THEORIST_ Aw but he got a lil kiss
DragonK that part had me dying
Gary was the only one that was ever nice to him.
DragonK “Arthur... can you unlock the door? “ 😂
This was the crossover I didn’t know I needed. Bravo!! Both great channels crossing over.
Film theory and pitch meeting is the collab no one asked for but we all really needed
Spoiler Warning*
In the final scene, when he is getting ready to enter the stage, we can see that the guy in the left is clearly noticing how weird the Joker is acting. Maybe this part is real.
I think it’s real as he lost all inhibitions at that point, why be nervous when you’re a dead man anyway
Joshua Orsi I think that part is absolutely real. Throughout the conversation with Murray, you can sense Joker’s growing frustration because Murray keeps cracking jokes at his expense. I think Matt had it wrong. It wasn’t at all like Joker’s original fantasy. The whole interview Murray was tearing him down. Joker even goes so far as to use the same line ‘I just want to make people laugh’ which brought him admiration in his original delusion, but Murray’s response was ‘and how is that working for ya?’ You can see Joker get visibly irritated because no one is reacting the way he wants them to. That whole sequence was real. I believe he actually shot Murray. However, I don’t think the sequence with the police car at the end actually happened. I think that was one of his delusions of grandeur. Because in the very next sequence, he’s in Arkham, with no sign of having been in a serious car accident and the psychiatrist’s words are intended to break him out of some sort of daydream. I believe that final sequence WAS that daydream and the *joke* is that Bruce Wayne- a rich kid who had it all that was constantly in the tabloids- was alone in a back alley, whose struggle was invisible to society, while Joker, who was a nobody his entire life (think of his rant on Murray) is now the face of a movement and plastered all over the news. He’s flipped their roles.
@@_monomorph_1411 I'm skeptical if the clown protests are even real
Phantom Prism I think they were, but I don’t think the sequence of him being praised by them was. Throughout the film, you see the papers and stores filled with clown paraphernalia. However, I don’t think the dialogue of the news casters saying “this clown, whoever he is, is being called a hero” was real. I think the clown riots were a result of Thomas Wayne calling the impoverished people clowns on TV. I think Arthur saw his murders on the news, then saw everyone in clown masks and created this false equivalency in his mind that *he* started it, and *he* was the face of this movement. But you’ll notice, when he’s at the rallies, or when he’s on the train running from the detectives, no one really cares about him. They don’t take notice of him. But suddenly in the end they’re praising him. I think the riots were real, but their reaction to Arthur wasn’t. Why would they praise him? They’d see him as just another one of them, just like they did at the rally outside the theatre or on the subway.
I wouldn’t say Arthur deluded himself into thinking he started the protests. It’s not as if people actually know what the clown killer who shot the businessmen on the train looked like, so why would they equate Arthur with the killer just because he was dressed as a clown? Even the police who were interviewing him before thought he was just another member of the rallies.
"Mind telling me your theory?"
" *You wouldn't get it* "
Haha I see what you did there
oooooh joker reference (great job)
*Walks away with bloody footprints*
*that's life*
That had me with the screen rant ending Card
Screen rant and game theory doing a collab is just my childhood wrapped in a youtube video
"very aggressive pillow fight, penny loses" got me laughing like the joker
Hahahhahhahhahahh
Nunya Business HELLO EVERYONE! I JUST GOT THE WHOLE SCENE UPLOADED ON MY CHANNEL! TAKE A WATCH
The Watchdog no self promo here
This movie was art, the little guy trying to escape Arthur’s apartment legitimately had me scared for him. In every other movie I would have laughed but this movie I was legitimately afraid
Don't worry you're not the only one.
@@doctorcorgi3134 ikr
i couldn’t help but laugh at the scene, the guy sounded somewhat sarcastic when he asked arthur why he did that. my dad who i was watching the movie with looked at me as if i was insane lmao
@@vetumude I mean, I don't blame him for looking at you like you're insane, but I also laughed at that scene lol
@@vetumude you are dumb, maybe?
Matpat you had me rolling on the floor with "you will watch the whole video."
That was great keep going man I think you are doing amazing things
Im a bit late, maybe I watched and forgot. But I gotta say the first two minutes of this is the best thing I’ve ever seen on RUclips. Thank you Matt and Ryan!! You guys are the best. Please do more collabs 🙏
I need more villain movies - their characters are so much more interesting than heroes.
-ˏˋ wyn ˊˎ- I’m the odd man out on this one. I really didn’t like this particular movie lol. It didn’t flow with vibes and there’s nothing relatable that came from it. I’m not really one to root for villains lol. If it were Thanos, Darth Vader, or Negan, then sure I like those dudes since they were confident and had a grasp of badassery.
Alpha Coo probably because you grew up with an easy life. Us ordinary people can sympathise with someone who’s lower class etc.
thats actually why i hated the chris nolan movies overall (obvi 2 was paradoxically good). im here to see a movie where the protagonist is the hero, so why are the villians infinitely more interesting? no balance, poor character craft
I want Darth maul
@@ajohndaeal-asad6731 you just had to be that guy? smh this movie was relatable for alot of people i dont know about you but life fuckin sucks sometimes man. almost everything that happened to him in this movie happens to people on a daily basis
At least Arthur accomplished his goal... he opened Murray's mind.
He essentially opened Gotham mind
@Anonymous He gets what he deserves..
Noice
Anonymous joker is not a psycho tbh.
@@ahmedthe7th29 LOL. Stop taking movies seriously. A psycho is a psycho.
Awesome collab, it was very tight and the theory - super easy, barely an inconvenience
I like both these channels and I’m glad they did a video together